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    Did Tex spike everyone’s drinks?

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    Tex tries to indoctrinate em before they get warped by the writers and the godamned media.

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    What's this all about? Optimism? Who did I indoctrinate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    What's this all about? Optimism? Who did I indoctrinate?
    I was referring so many of the optimistic posts as of late. Your never say die attitude is my favorite thing about you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadtownPacker View Post
    I was referring so many of the optimistic posts as of late. Your never say die attitude is my favorite thing about you.
    Its the offseason and WE CAN'T LOSE!!!

    My Jacobs optimism is from living in Vegas. I will say that I don't think he is quite as talented as Jones though. But if it means less backups playing the net result is probably better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
    Its the offseason and WE CAN'T LOSE!!!

    My Jacobs optimism is from living in Vegas. I will say that I don't think he is quite as talented as Jones though. But if it means less backups playing the net result is probably better.
    The more I see and hear about Jacobs, the more excited I get. We're getting a great player and a great teammate right smack in his prime. I heard a guy who runs a podcast in Vegas just last night, saying that after their final game this year, Jacobs was going around the locker room saying goodbye to some of the local media - telling them he didn't know which way the wind was going to blow, but just in case, he wanted them to know he respected them and appreciated them being straightshooters and professionals. Now, just who does that? I never heard of it before.

    It really sounds as though the Raiders handled him badly from the beginning, not making use of him in the passing game except as a dump-off option, making him play in a meaningless game when he was injured, and not picking up his option. And even when he was playing out his last season, he apparently spent a lot of time and effort mentoring his replacement, Zamir White.

    Sounds like a real high-character guy, loved by his teammates. Aaron Jones left behind some big shoes to fill, but it sounds like Jacobs is better suited to fill them than any other running back we could have found.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
    Its the offseason and WE CAN'T LOSE!!!

    My Jacobs optimism is from living in Vegas. I will say that I don't think he is quite as talented as Jones though. But if it means less backups playing the net result is probably better.
    I have to confess. Not sure I like it. I prefer all of you dooming and glooming because for nearly two decades I have seen what happens when we all get our balloon two full of fresh air. I don’t want the Packers to be the popular pick in 2024. They can say Pack is up and coming but don’t please not the preseason darlings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadtownPacker View Post
    I have to confess. Not sure I like it. I prefer all of you dooming and glooming because for nearly two decades I have seen what happens when we all get our balloon two full of fresh air. I don’t want the Packers to be the popular pick in 2024. They can say Pack is up and coming but don’t please not the preseason darlings.
    My fear is one no one will even touch on. Love is the next Carson Wentz. Wentz looked incredible his first 20 starts or so, now he can't land a backup job. Love only looked incredible when the running game gave him favorable downs/distances. A lot of QBs look good in those situations (which is why I hate the way QBs get paid like they are the only guy who matters). Love showed a lot of good. He also showed some pretty bad habits at times. I need to see 17+ games of good Love this year. If I'm GB I don't extend him until I see that.
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    Was that gloomy enough for you??
    I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.

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    Oh, ok. Honestly, I hadn't noticed. If it's about Love, optimism should be obvious. Ditto that about the receiving corps. Improvement with the new DC? That's pretty obvious too. Free agency? Being optimistic about McKinney and Jacobs shouldn't take much indoctrination hahahaha. Losing Jones and keeping Dillon? Those are kinda 50/50 all the way around.
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    That was probably a part of the calculation. Not a big part, or else they'd pay me to come in and play running back (I'm a great team guy!), but a part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    That was probably a part of the calculation. Not a big part, or else they'd pay me to come in and play running back (I'm a great team guy!), but a part.
    I actually think it was probably a pretty big part. They knew Jones leaves a leadership void, and wanted someone they thought could at least somewhat fill it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    I actually think it was probably a pretty big part. They knew Jones leaves a leadership void, and wanted someone they thought could at least somewhat fill it.

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    Anything less than a Drew montage would be a 16 beating a 1 level upset.

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    Sorry guys but Love put this team on his back long before Aaron Jones returned from injury. He'll get an extension for 50M per year before the season starts. Drink the Kool-aid!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Sorry guys but Love put this team on his back long before Aaron Jones returned from injury. He'll get an extension for 50M per year before the season starts. Drink the Kool-aid!
    And he made some pretty bad decisions that worked out. I'm not all doom and gloom, but there is a fear in the back of my mind. When Jones disappeared for most of the 2nd half against SF, Love looked pretty ineffective.
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    He's far from a finished product - his fundamentals -- specifically his footwork -- needs work, and there are too many times he's still putting too much air under the ball when he should just rip it. There were a number of plays last year that went in GB's favor that were fractions of a second from being disastrous picks.

    He's got a promising future, let's see how he handles this offseason. If he's jetting around doing interviews and pimping Old Spice instead of working on his fundamentals, they have a problem. Personally I think he's a pretty well grounded individual (so far) and will be ok.

    The other thing I wonder about is how teams will try to defend GB, specifically Love now that there's a season of tape and an offseason to study and adjust for him. Teams will find and attack any weaknesses in his game.
    Having Jacobs and a good supporting cast will help mitigate that.

    I also think, for both Jacobs and Love's sake, Gute takes some big steps towards solidifying the OL. I'm not fully confident in a Walker-Jenkins-Myers-Rhyan-Tom starting OL with Newman as the top backup. I think Myers and Rhyan are the weakspots and they will need to play better than they did to start last year. Maybe Rhyan makes a jump and improves this offseason, I think Myers is ok but getting more competition at C and G will help raise the floor of the OL. Would absolutely love to see this team have an OL that paired with Jacobs that just runs the ball right down the throat of the other NFCN teams. Play action passing would be super deadly.

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    I don't want them to mess with his fundamentals too much. A lot of the same criticisms were made about Favre and Rodgers, and I'd put them both as top five all time, GOATs at the time they played. Yes, Love does seem to be a well-grounded individual, and best of all, he has soaked up the Rodgers mindset of not throwing interceptions. He does have a great supporting cast around him, but you could just about say even this early in his career, same as Rodgers, he makes the rest of the team seem better than it is.

    I'm fine with the starting OLine as it is. We could probably use a backup or two. As I have said many times, "just ok" is plenty good enough for the OLine if you have a mobile accurate QB.

    Same as in the Rodgers years, same as always, I want the team to be "pass first". Jacobs should be (I hope) as effective or more so than Aaron Jones as a change of pace to the excellent passing game. Whether it was Jones or now with Jacobs, I want them to draft a fairly equal RB for rotation with the starter - Braelon Allen in the 2nd or 3rd round is still my top choice.
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    Ya know Run, I've seen Powers-Jackson mocked in the first lately, but I think there is a good shot he is there in the 2nd for us. If Gutes drafted one of the elite OT prospects and Austin Powers in the 2nd I think our OL would be as good as anyone's in the league. Even then we should triple up in the 4/5th rounds for depth as I don't really like Rhyan at all. I'd love to hear the discussion if DeJean and one of the top OTs are both available when we pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
    Ya know Run, I've seen Powers-Jackson mocked in the first lately, but I think there is a good shot he is there in the 2nd for us. If Gutes drafted one of the elite OT prospects and Austin Powers in the 2nd I think our OL would be as good as anyone's in the league. Even then we should triple up in the 4/5th rounds for depth as I don't really like Rhyan at all. I'd love to hear the discussion if DeJean and one of the top OTs are both available when we pick.
    I'm skeptical of Rhyan's ability to be a starter, although he went from "keeping the 3rd round bust streak alive" to serviceable backup, so he might have another step in his game. I wouldn't bank on it, and given the JRJ-Rhyan platooning last year I doubt Gute is. I think they should improve the OL overall - the only guys who should be locks as starters are Jenkins and Tom. The rest are young and/or need to be pushed to keep their jobs.

    Tex, you realize Rodgers completely reworked his throwing motion from college to pros right? Working to improve is never a bad thing.
    Agree. Remember how Love couldn't hit a deep throw the first half of the season? How many times did he underthrow or throw from a jump or unnecessary hitch? He cleans that up, it improves his timing and accuracy. Maybe throwing a lob off your back foot to Wicks will beat the Bears, but it's not going to cut it in the playoffs against SF. A 3% improvement in his accuracy would make a big difference over the course of a season. Also can give your receivers a better chance at gaining more YAC. Why wouldn't you want that? As I've said Love is far from a finished product - he's 24 years old - and has a lot of room for improvement after one year of starting. If he doesn't improve in years 2 & 3 then I'll be concerned, and GB will likely have grossly overpaid for their QB.

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