Yeah, tough to guess. (good job Bretsky trying to breathe some life into the forum.)

The Packers would be an absolutely loaded team for the reason Joe said and more (The counter to that argument is spelled B-a-r-r-y.) - with Rodgers playing up to Rodgers' standard. I'm thinking Love's best will be about equal with Rodgers' injury-riddled worst last year.

All in all, I'll go with 8-9 - the same, or maybe slightly better. This goes against my natural optimism, though. I HOPE and on some level even think Love will be surprisingly good - he has so many tools to work with, and the Packers will end up way better. I just can't predict it, though.