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    My bad. Still a horrible job. D needs to step it up with the #1 WR and RB gonzo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
    Ha....didn't even know we had a Greg Williams already. Now I really want to hire the asshole just to confuse everyone.
    I think he might be blacklisted from the NFL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    I think he might be blacklisted from the NFL.
    Joe Barry should be blacklisted.

    Most people here are saying that they'll let him ride out the season, then fire him, and they are probably right. What that means, to me, is that the team knows it will not contend this year. If they thought they had a real shot at the playoffs if they had a better coordinator, you'd think they'd strongly consider canning Joe Barely now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    I think he might be blacklisted from the NFL.
    Possible bounties set on him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    Joe Barry should be blacklisted.

    Most people here are saying that they'll let him ride out the season, then fire him, and they are probably right. What that means, to me, is that the team knows it will not contend this year. If they thought they had a real shot at the playoffs if they had a better coordinator, you'd think they'd strongly consider canning Joe Barely now.
    Between rookies specialists, 1st year starter at QB, and Joe Barry we should get a top 10 pick even with a talented roster.
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    This offseason Gute made a point of saying expectations were high for the defense this year, given the talent and draft investments made there the last X years. In fact, he said it several times.
    I think that's more than fair for him to expect. I also think it publicly put Barry on notice that his job is very much on the line.

    Firing your DC every other year is a bad look and will scare away prospective coaches, so I can see having some patience. Firing him now would be a weird look also - they've allowed 45 points over 2 games. They'd have to pay out the rest of his year AND find a replacement. Good luck with that. Nobody is going to be able to come in and institute a new scheme mid-season.

    Barry wasn't a good hire to begin with (imo) and I don't think many outside the building were that surprised that the team has largely underperformed.
    They'll let his contract lapse, bring in someone better (presumably can't do much worse) and hope they can get more out of the talent than Barry has.

    I don't root against Barry or wish him ill. I just think he was a bad hire and I haven't seen enough to convince me otherwise.

    As for drafting, based on the way the team has played I think top 10 pick would be a mild disappointment. I think they'll be picking between 10 and 18. (That would imply having between 7 and 9 wins.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by run pMc View Post

    Barry wasn't a good hire to begin with (imo) and I don't think many outside the building were that surprised that the team has largely underperformed.
    They'll let his contract lapse, bring in someone better (presumably can't do much worse) and hope they can get more out of the talent than Barry has.
    And pretty much all of Packerrats never understood the pick of Barry to begin with, so it's not like we're all reacting in hindsight. Just a terrible decision by MLF from the jump. It almost seems to me like MLF made a panic pick. He got fed up with Pettine and fired him. Then, Jimmy L turned him down. I don't know if he really had a plan B at that point and just went................Oh fuck!!!

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    Evero was available, and several of us here were advocating for him. So he was a known possibility. MLF just made a poor choice.

    I have been calling the FBI to see if they would raid Joe Barely's house, like they did the Bears' D-coordinator's house, but so far, no soap.
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    Matt Canada got fired mid season from the Steelers as OC.

    Just sayin…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fosco33 View Post
    Matt Canada got fired mid season from the Steelers as OC.

    Just sayin…


    He was the best OC I ever witnessed for the Badgers. SO creative and innovative at a time when offenses were bland
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    45 games of Matt Canada in PIT, 0 games of 400 yards of offense or more. Every other team in the league had at least 4 in that time.
    Canada wasn't getting the job done.

    Joe Barry have actually had a few good moments, but they are outnumbered by the bad. He's been given a lot of defensive talent and they are repeatedly ranked in the 20's. I think they should move in a different direction at end of season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fosco33 View Post
    Matt Canada got fired mid season from the Steelers as OC.

    Just sayin…
    Didn't he put up 200 on the ground against Joe just a couple weeks ago??
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    I'm just getting into the forum after the game, so I haven't seen other posts yet, but I would think some of the heat may be off of Joe Barry. I still probably would prefer a different DC for the Packers, but I'll give Barry credit for putting together a decent D game plan today and doing so without a lot of first string personnel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    I'm just getting into the forum after the game, so I haven't seen other posts yet, but I would think some of the heat may be off of Joe Barry. I still probably would prefer a different DC for the Packers, but I'll give Barry credit for putting together a decent D game plan today and doing so without a lot of first string personnel.
    One game against a real D does NOT excuse nearly 25 games of blowing chunks.

    Part of me wonders if he schemed better and played more aggressively because of all the young players in the lineup due to injuries. If so, he is an idiot for not playing his best schematic football at all times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texaspackerbacker View Post
    I'm just getting into the forum after the game, so I haven't seen other posts yet, but I would think some of the heat may be off of Joe Barry. I still probably would prefer a different DC for the Packers, but I'll give Barry credit for putting together a decent D game plan today and doing so without a lot of first string personnel.
    The defense looked better in some ways but they still gave up 460 yards. Forcing turnovers and actually stepping up on 4th downs made the difference. An improvement, but not so dominant that it makes Barry look that great.
    Fire Murphy, Gute, MLF, Barry, Senavich, etc!

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    My prediction before the game in one of these threads was that Love would be more good than Barry's D was bad. That pretty much came true, although the D was at least a little better than the worst it has been. I'm gonna double down and predict something similar against the Chiefs, although Mahomes' mobility will be a helluva lot harder to deal with than piece of crap Goff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
    One game against a real D does NOT excuse nearly 25 games of blowing chunks.

    Part of me wonders if he schemed better and played more aggressively because of all the young players in the lineup due to injuries. If so, he is an idiot for not playing his best schematic football at all times.
    I grudgingly must give Barry credit for the job the defense did in Detroit. He had a second-string secondary and the Lions only scored 22. That’s a good job, like the guy or not.

    But like you, I did wonder where the hell this scheming has been all year long. So I agree with your post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    I grudgingly must give Barry credit for the job the defense did in Detroit. He had a second-string secondary and the Lions only scored 22. That’s a good job, like the guy or not.

    But like you, I did wonder where the hell this scheming has been all year long. So I agree with your post.
    His tendency is to play cautious, but he's shown the ability to come up with aggressive game plans. Maybe MLF needs to carry a whip to coaches meetings.
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    It's weird that he only seems to scheme aggressively when pushed to do so by MLF or by circumstance, yet it generally seems to work.

    Is it NOT being conservative, though, when he finally, finally lines up lots of big bodies instead of playing the dime when it's third and two? I'm confused about that bit of it.
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    Barry is slow to adjust, but he will adjust. I'll give him that. They played surprisingly well vs. DET and looked like an inspired defense. I wonder how much of that was Rashan Gary playing out of his mind. He was very emotional for this game and is widely viewed in the locker room as being an emotional leader, so maybe that gave them a little extra fire today. The Week 4 whipping probably had something to do with it too, along with DET being national writer darlings.

    There are whispers that the Fangio defense is being figured out by teams, and that many teams who have adopted it aren't successful because you really need specific playmakers to make it go. I suppose that's why Staley looked great with Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey.

    I'm not convinced the way Barry calls the defense is smart given the Lions and Bears are run-heavy offenses. Why would you trot out 2 DL and leave the C uncovered to run up and block your ILB? That's just asking to get run off the field. I understand the idea is to make the other team walk down the field by playing soft zone and keeping things in front of you, but GB doesn't tackle well and can barely hand off covering routes that cross from one player's zone to another.

    I am starting to have serious concerns Barry will be brought back. He seems tied to MLF's hip and the fact that they have held a lot of team's garbage offenses to 20 points or less is going to be a selling point. They still allow a lot of rushing yards and are a middle of the road defense statistically, and that's after playing bad-to-middling teams like CHI, DEN, LV, and ATL.

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