Bakhtiari Being Released

[Bretsky]

Wilde and Tausch had Backman in for a detailed interview Friday. It was a great listen if you wanted to go hear him. He holds no ill will toward GB at all. I listed to the whole thing.

Then he said the KEY WORDS......which most would not pick up unless you have had the bad shit happen to know what it means.

He mentioned in the interview "8 WEEKS OF NON WEIGHT BEARING". In regards to torn ALC, the predominant reason somebody would have to go through that....is when you have a severe infection that compromises the knee parts and has spread into the knee. I'm no doctor, but it happened to me. What occurs, if it spread into the knee, is your knee parts have to get removed, and then you have to to though 8 weeks of non weight bearting, and take anti biotics, and HOPE to heck the infection clears and does not spread. And then after 8 weeks, they put your knee parts back in and you start rehab all over.

Odds are that happened. Holy shit it's terrible

[call_me_ishmael]

Are you back on your feet and doing good Bretsky? I remember that from a couple years back. Scary stuff.

[call_me_ishmael]

I'm gonna call it right now. David Tiberius Baktiari will make another pro bowl.

[Frozen Tundra]

He has certainly made enough money, and if he has to limp away from the game he's got that. I'd bet he'd trade a good chunk of that money for never having the injury though.

Interesting perspective. Yeah, I'd bet Bak's the kind of man who (if he could go back in his life and change one thing) would gladly kick back millions, if not 10s of millions, for his career to have been mostly injury-free and give him another 2-3 years on the field.

How much money do you really need? How much can you spend in one lifetime? I'm sure he'd have left a big percentage of that on the table if it would have meant a couple more years doing what he loves so much.

[Frozen Tundra]

Wilde and Tausch had Backman in for a detailed interview Friday. It was a great listen if you wanted to go hear him. He holds no ill will toward GB at all. I listed to the whole thing.

Then he said the KEY WORDS......which most would not pick up unless you have had the bad shit happen to know what it means.

He mentioned in the interview "8 WEEKS OF NON WEIGHT BEARING". In regards to torn ALC, the predominant reason somebody would have to go through that....is when you have a severe infection that compromises the knee parts and has spread into the knee. I'm no doctor, but it happened to me. What occurs, if it spread into the knee, is your knee parts have to get removed, and then you have to to though 8 weeks of non weight bearting, and take anti biotics, and HOPE to heck the infection clears and does not spread. And then after 8 weeks, they put your knee parts back in and you start rehab all over.

Odds are that happened. Holy shit it's terrible

Wow. That's a huge insight. That's great detective work.

I wasn't aware of that little detail, but if you caught that, it might say a lot about what's happening and explain a lot about why not one single bit of information has come out other than the usual "GM-speak" like "he's progressing on his rehab and we're confident he's on the right path etc etc etc."

If the connection you're making is correct, that's a pretty serious matter. I had a staph infection in my left knee about 25 years ago, from a freaking sliver I got in my knee fooling around on playground equipment in a park when I was on a date. One of the stupidest injuries I ever had in my life; I mean, jesus, who does crap like that ever even happen to?

I got off easy, because they were able to stop the infection from getting inside the joint, but they explained a lot of things to me that would completely sync with what you're saying. I had a pic line for several weeks with antibiotics going into my chest 24/7 with a catheter through a vein in my arm, and while yeah it apparently could have been much worse, it was not a trivial matter. For one thing, any serious physical rehab that I might have been having to go through if I had also been recovering from knee surgery would have been very deeply impacted. I just couldn't have done it. Probably at all, but especially not at the level of a professional athlete trying to get ready to play again. Every single thing not related to the actual infection would have simply had to wait.

If that's what Bak's been dealing with, and the infection is inside the joint, he's had a steep hill to climb. I still have loss of feeling in some parts of my left knee because of the nerve damage from the infection; and if he had an infection that was inside the joint, I can't imagine how much damage there migt have been.

Sounds iike your situation was many times worse than mine. First off, I hope it all worked out, and that you're OK But if you actually had staph inside the joint, that's a hell of a situation. Best wishes to you... you didn't say much about the details, but it sounds like you had a pretty hard spell. Hope it's all behind you.

[bobblehead]

I'm gonna call it right now. David Tiberius Baktiari will make another pro bowl.

And I called he would never play another snap. For his sake I hope I'm right. I suspect he is done. I'm not sure why he would torture himself at this point.

[Bretsky]

Are you back on your feet and doing good Bretsky? I remember that from a couple years back. Scary stuff.

I am doing well. I lived that 8 weeks no weight on one leg; and then the back goes too. I had a pic line in my chest at all times and one hour a day for 6 weeks I was getting IV's to flush out the infection. Thankfully it didn't spread anwhere but inside the knee (which was removed and that is why I had to do the 8 weeks of no weight cause I had no suppport there).

So 8 weeks after they removed my knee, they put the replacement parts back in. I was told I'd never get back to the 120 degree measurable mark of flexiblity my other knee had. Doc told me I'd get to around 105 degrees. After 11 weeks of rehab and bending this shit out of it, on my final day of rehab I bent my leg to 117 degrees and it hurt like hell. The physical therapist said that is great, and I looked at him (we are friends) and I said, give me a pain jolt and bend that f'ker to 120. And he did. Hurt iike heck, but I think it worked any kinks out.

Today I always know my knee is there; I feel sporadic pain. But it's about 95%, and thankfully infection free.

So when I heard "8 weeks non weight bearing" , I thought....OH SHIT that was really bad then

[Fritz]

Bretsky, can you please pull a hamstring so we can get better medical info on all these damn Packers who are pulling hammies?

Take one for the Packerrats team.

[red]

Wilde and Tausch had Backman in for a detailed interview Friday. It was a great listen if you wanted to go hear him. He holds no ill will toward GB at all. I listed to the whole thing.

Then he said the KEY WORDS......which most would not pick up unless you have had the bad shit happen to know what it means.

He mentioned in the interview "8 WEEKS OF NON WEIGHT BEARING". In regards to torn ALC, the predominant reatake a couple tylenol son somebody would have to go through that....is when you have a severe infection that compromises the knee parts and has spread into the knee. I'm no doctor, but it happened to me. What occurs, if it spread into the knee, is your knee parts have to get removed, and then you have to to though 8 weeks of non weight bearting, and take anti biotics, and HOPE to heck the infection clears and does not spread. And then after 8 weeks, they put your knee parts back in and you start rehab all over.

Odds are that happened. Holy shit it's terrible

take a couple asprin and get back to work. bunch of pussies

[Joemailman]

"A lot of other people wanted me to grit through it (in lieu of surgery)," Bakhtiari said. "But no one experiences what you truly experience. I've been gritting through it for three years. I'm in constant pain. I'm so happy now to be on the other side of it and get the actual surgery that I needed because my knee was not in a good place.

Am I the only one wondering if Bakhtiari could someday sue the Packers for medical malpractice for misdiagnosing his injury?

[Bretsky]

Am I the only one wondering if Bakhtiari could someday sue the Packers for medical malpractice for misdiagnosing his injury?

Not really; I don't think they mis diagnosed anything. I just think they were hoping he could play through some of the pain without realizing how bad it was. He played a great game versus the Bears (classic when he gave their whole bench the middle finger). But then the pain came more than anybody expected.

[bobblehead]

Am I the only one wondering if Bakhtiari could someday sue the Packers for medical malpractice for misdiagnosing his injury?

Not sure its ever happened in professional sports. Sherrod had a more legit gripe than Bak. They actually botched his surgery from what I recall. Thing is, you sign waivers, have a collective bargaining agreement and every doctor will tell you there are no guarantees.

[NewsBruin]

Am I the only one wondering if Bakhtiari could someday sue the Packers for medical malpractice for misdiagnosing his injury?

I remember Joe Jurevicius sueing the Browns over getting and misdiagnosing a Staph infection in his knee. That got settled, so we don't have a precedent for it.

The Chargers have not one, but two different doctors sued.

I feel like it happens, especially when players vent to reporters, but they get settled over meeting tables, so we won't hear much about it. All the stories I remember making news are more for specific actions than bad diagnoses, as well.

[smuggler]

Staph infection is below a standard of care and the team/surgeons/surgical site can be liable for that. Sounds like the Packers just wanted to take the conservative approach to management of Bakh's knee, which isn't substandard care, but definitely sounds like a strategic blunder in hindsight.

[call_me_ishmael]

To me it clearly sounds like they misdiagnosed the injury the first time. It sounds like it was more than the ACL and they limited the fix to the ACL and it still hurt a lot. Not sure there is any reason to believe there was an infection from the 8 weeks of non-weight-bearing but maybe he literally means like Bretsky said of being stuck in a chair for eight weeks straight and had his knee removed to treat an infection. That doesn't sound likely to me though.

[Bretsky]

Regarding the infection, 1-2 percent of torn ACL's have that occur. I only caught the 8 weeks because that is standard procedure for the infection. I only know this cause I was in the 1-2 percent.
I have no complete evidence that occurred; it was just my view since it happened to me. I can also say, that after they remove your knee, and put it back in, often people never get things back to the 100% area. Often, every time it seemed like you are at 100%, something occurs, and you take a step back.

With that being said, I haven't heard any real evidence that anything was mis diagnosed, unless I missed something

[run pMc]

He's a pretty outspoken dude. If it was misdiagnosed, there would be a lot more smoke around that on social media and from his conspiracy theory QB buddy.
I think he did everything he could - even against common sense - to play. I have little doubt that if a player like him wants to play and tells Butkus he's good enough to play they'll let him play.

I got the feeling re: surgeries they tried to avoid them as much as possible because of the recovery time needed. He wanted to get on the field ASAP and I think it worked against all parties.

(This is just my reading of the events and my own speculation.)

[Patler]

He's a pretty outspoken dude. If it was misdiagnosed, there would be a lot more smoke around that on social media and from his conspiracy theory QB buddy.
I think he did everything he could - even against common sense - to play. I have little doubt that if a player like him wants to play and tells Butkus he's good enough to play they'll let him play.

I got the feeling re: surgeries they tried to avoid them as much as possible because of the recovery time needed. He wanted to get on the field ASAP and I think it worked against all parties.

(This is just my reading of the events and my own speculation.)

I agree. Bakhtiari seems like a proud, honorable guy, and I suspect felt an obligation to get back as soon as he could, since just before the injury the Packers had made him the highest paid lineman in league history, with more than half of it virtually guaranteed.

[call_me_ishmael]

Misdiagnosed is probably the wrong word. My gut feeling is they thought X was wrong, and they tried to fix X, but were unsuccessful or 80% successful or something. Ultimately he needed a second surgery because they first didn't do the trick. That's all I'm saying.