He flys all over the field resulting in making plays and missing tackles. He's bizarro AJ Hawk.
He flys all over the field resulting in making plays and missing tackles. He's bizarro AJ Hawk.
That might be a good thing.
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I was going to say Cecil Cooper and Ty'Ron Hipster, but I like your nicknames better.Originally Posted by Fritz
The missed tackles rate likely explains things like his PFF rating. He's enough of an athlete with a 7.4 RAS to cover plenty of ground; I'm not worried about that. It's whether he can fix his tackling issues.
I assume it's a fundamentals thing and not a physical limitation, and you'd expect Florida and Missouri had coaches teach players this.
Basically he fixes his tackling, or he doesn't see the field much on defense. A 22% missed rate is unplayable.
What about Coopers 13%...is that okay?
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I suspect his successful tackle rate would immediately go up if he sat back and reacted. They seemed to want him to disrupt rather than error free safe football.
I suspect they Packers will expect the same and live with missed tackles.
It did cross my mind that really fast players can get themselves in more awkward situations because of their speed and miss tackles. Let’s not go assume Gute knows it all on defense. He’s strung together a few stinkers of drafts and now some great ones. But he doesn’t always know what he’s doing either.
It’s a red flag. Coopers is a little less of a red flag for me because he’s all world fast and I’m sure a bunch of those misses wouldn’t have even counted as attempts for most guys.
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He might be a bust, and I don't think he'll ever be a good tackler. He might also have enough speed and aggressiveness to make you for that weakness.
I don't think they can live with 22.7%. The worst in the NFL last year was about 20%. I have no doubt they talked about it a lot during the draft prep, and think they can fix it. Otherwise you just would not take him that high.
If you miss 20% or so of your tackles, you're getting the runner on the ground 80% or so of the time. That to me ain't too bad. And factor in that somebody is faster and maybe gets in position to make a tackle 20% or so more often than a slower guy, and those missed tackles don't seem so bad.
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For a linebacker, that's horrible. Quay Walker and Campbell were both below 5%. The only Packer over 20% was Anthony Johnson Jr. and he only played when they were desperate due to injuries. Usually defensive linemen have the highest missed tackle pct. because they tend to be much less agile than the guys they're trying to tackle. LB's should be able to tackle consistently.
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Looking at some of the tape, he has a tendency to tackle like a safety - lead with the shoulder or go for the feet. He was not for the most part wrapping up or delivering hits. His speed was good, but he was often slow at the start of the plays. Some of the slow start may have been play design. He needs more upper body and arm strength to have a chance of fighting through blocks and to be better at wrapping up on tackles.
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It's a bad stat for him period. Trying to understand why he was still drafted where he was, he had nearly twice as many solo tackles as assisted tackles. That suggests the scheme had him in a lot of one on one situations.
Agree. 20% is bad.
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Does anyone here think Darnell Savage was a good tackler? He missed 18.6% of his tackles. Hopper missed more than that. It's... a serious problem he will have to correct or he won't be trusted on the field.
Ya know who had a missed tackle % under 5? Payton wilson. The man is a machine. Good thing we took hopper instead.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
When Gute writes his tell all book I hope he tells that story. My guess is the medical staff took him off their board.
Payton Wilson is also 24, has already had 3 season ending injuries, and is missing an ACL. I don't think he'd make it through a 17 game season, and at the end of a 4 year contract you have to wonder what he'd be. Fun player, but yeah those medicals took him off boards.
Not saying I'm a fan of the Hopper pick (I'd have gone for Cedric Grey) but Wilson scares me.
We'll see one way or the other about Hopper and the missed tackle stuff. I'm thinking, though it's like a shortstop with a great fielding percentage in baseball - maybe some of the guys with the good tackling percentages don't move as much as you'd like them to.
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Basically, the question was, is it more likely you can teach Dennis Hopper to tackle or Luke Wilson not to get hurt?
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If they run the picket fence to free up someone, Hopper will be ready.
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