2024 3rd Round Pick #91 Overall Ty'Ron Hopper

[RashanGary]

Cooper has a rare ability to sift through blocks where guys can’t get their hands on him even though they’re in great position. Leads to a lot of missed tackles because he ends up off balance in spots he had no business making it to in the first place. He also racks up huge amounts of big plays doing that and slows down the runner to allow others to finish.

Cooper has a high percentage and I’m ok with that. He’s an elite athlete and there is a logical reason for his mistakes.

Hopper. Nah. He’s a dead average athlete in NFL terms. He’s not an all world football guy. He is an all world culture guy though. Even if he doesn’t actually play well himself, even being a decent backup who brings out the best in the guys around him by bringing the ideal mindset to the extremely top heavy room he’s in… he still might be worth the pick.

But chisel it in stone. He’s not a good linebacker.

[bobblehead]

Basically, the question was, is it more likely you can teach Dennis Hopper to tackle or Luke Wilson not to get hurt?

I would be absolutely thrilled if we could teach ANYONE not to get hurt.

[sharpe1027]

Cooper has a rare ability to sift through blocks where guys can’t get their hands on him even though they’re in great position. Leads to a lot of missed tackles because he ends up off balance in spots he had no business making it to in the first place. He also racks up huge amounts of big plays doing that and slows down the runner to allow others to finish.

Cooper has a high percentage and I’m ok with that. He’s an elite athlete and there is a logical reason for his mistakes.

Hopper. Nah. He’s a dead average athlete in NFL terms. He’s not an all world football guy. He is an all world culture guy though. Even if he doesn’t actually play well himself, even being a decent backup who brings out the best in the guys around him by bringing the ideal mindset to the extremely top heavy room he’s in… he still might be worth the pick.

But chisel it in stone. He’s not a good linebacker.

I'm really confused by this assessment. Hopper's strength was getting pressure behind the line of scrimmage. He wasn't excellent in creating pressure and getting sideline to sideline.

[Fritz]

Cooper has a rare ability to sift through blocks where guys can’t get their hands on him even though they’re in great position. Leads to a lot of missed tackles because he ends up off balance in spots he had no business making it to in the first place. He also racks up huge amounts of big plays doing that and slows down the runner to allow others to finish.

Cooper has a high percentage and I’m ok with that. He’s an elite athlete and there is a logical reason for his mistakes.

Hopper. Nah. He’s a dead average athlete in NFL terms. He’s not an all world football guy. He is an all world culture guy though. Even if he doesn’t actually play well himself, even being a decent backup who brings out the best in the guys around him by bringing the ideal mindset to the extremely top heavy room he’s in… he still might be worth the pick.

But chisel it in stone. He’s not a good linebacker.

Dude, I’m not even going to carve it in soap.


An “average” NFL athlete? Not from all I’ve read. Junior Colton, maybe, is an average NFL athlete.

[sharpe1027]

I'm really confused by this assessment. Hopper's strength was getting pressure behind the line of scrimmage. He wasn't excellent in creating pressure and getting sideline to sideline.

I meant that he was excellent at those things.

[Fritz]

Junior Colson, I meant. Unless he IS a great athlete. Then I meant Junior Colton.

[run pMc]

Hopper has a 7.38 RAS acore at LB, meaning he ranks just under the 74th percentile athletically among linebackers historically. That's an above average overall athlete at the position, and well beyond the vast majority of people in general.

He's a little small size-wise, but that's how LBs are these days.
He has good enough speed and get get to the sideline just fine. His biggest issue is tackling.
Hopper fits what Hafley is going to want his LBs to do -- all of the defensive picks this year were aggressive, downhill attaching types who have good character and love football. I think Hafley is going to ask them to shoot a gap and not do a lot of thinking or reacting.

I'm NOT on the Hopper bandwagon, I think there were other LBs (or players at other positions) they could have gone for that i would have liked, but Gute isn't trying to please me specifically with his picks.
Either way he's a Packer and he's got a shot, so I'm rooting for him. This could be the return of the 3rd round curse.

[Fritz]

Hopper has a 7.38 RAS acore at LB, meaning he ranks just under the 74th percentile athletically among linebackers historically. That's an above average overall athlete at the position, and well beyond the vast majority of people in general.

He's a little small size-wise, but that's how LBs are these days.
He has good enough speed and get get to the sideline just fine. His biggest issue is tackling.
Hopper fits what Hafley is going to want his LBs to do -- all of the defensive picks this year were aggressive, downhill attaching types who have good character and love football. I think Hafley is going to ask them to shoot a gap and not do a lot of thinking or reacting.

I'm NOT on the Hopper bandwagon, I think there were other LBs (or players at other positions) they could have gone for that i would have liked, but Gute isn't trying to please me specifically with his picks.
Either way he's a Packer and he's got a shot, so I'm rooting for him. This could be the return of the 3rd round curse.

Why wouldn’t Guter want to please you, or us, with his picks? How are we gonna win the offseason, that long and crucial stretch, if the national writers and fans aren’t saying the Packers done great in the offseason? After all, the offseason lasts as long or longer than the real season, so having to sit around listening to Lions’ fans and national writers crowing about “winning” the draft and free agency is a real pain in the ass.

Everybody knows that winning the offseason is as important as winning the Super Bowl, and a lot easier, too.

[run pMc]

Everybody knows that winning the offseason is as important as winning the Super Bowl, and a lot easier, too.

Yes, Dan Snyder was a big winner there. Jerrah had his moments too.
Let's not forget the time Vince Young called PHI the Dream Team.

Let DET fans crow. They have suffered plenty and need to feel good about overpaying for their QB. (tbh, Brad Holmes has been their best GM in decades.)

[sharpe1027]

The Goff contract won't have an effect this year. It will start to be felt in subsequent years.

[texaspackerbacker]

It's amazing - in a bad way - that anybody associated with the Lions would be "crowing" about this contract. If that isn't obvious now, it certainly will be as years go by.

[bobblehead]

Junior Colson, I meant. Unless he IS a great athlete. Then I meant Junior Colton.

Are you sure you weren't thinking of Junius Coston?

[Fritz]

Are you sure you weren't thinking of Junius Coston?

Could be. Depends on whether Junior Colson is a good NFL athlete.

[RashanGary]

Hopper has a 7.38 RAS acore at LB, meaning he ranks just under the 74th percentile athletically among linebackers historically. That's an above average overall athlete at the position, and well beyond the vast majority of people in general.

He's a little small size-wise, but that's how LBs are these days.
He has good enough speed and get get to the sideline just fine. His biggest issue is tackling.
Hopper fits what Hafley is going to want his LBs to do -- all of the defensive picks this year were aggressive, downhill attaching types who have good character and love football. I think Hafley is going to ask them to shoot a gap and not do a lot of thinking or reacting.

I'm NOT on the Hopper bandwagon, I think there were other LBs (or players at other positions) they could have gone for that i would have liked, but Gute isn't trying to please me specifically with his picks.
Either way he's a Packer and he's got a shot, so I'm rooting for him. This could be the return of the 3rd round curse.

He is NOT a better athlete as graded by that scale than 74% of NFL players. He is better than 74% of prospective NFL players.

Most of the players under 7.5 never end up playing in the league.


7.2 is the average score of players who actually play in the NFL. This kids 7.5 is dead average athleticism for players who actually play in the NFL.

It’s above average for players who want to play in the NFL. He’s literally in the top 74% of prospects trying to get into the league.

But he’s playing against players who are actually in the NFL now, not college players who want to play in the NFL. So when you compare his athleticism you compare to to the players he’s playing against not to the players who didn’t make it into the league.

He absolutely is a dead average athlete compared to players who play in the NFL. If you said he was an above average athlwte compared to college players, that would be true.

[RashanGary]

Once we’ve established that his ras score is on par with average NFL athletes. Now it becomes quite obvious that he needs to be really good at something else to make it.

And he isn’t.

Like Big shot Bert Faver, this is Quay and Coops traveling priest.

[sharpe1027]

Saying he's not really good at something strikes me as an odd statement. If you believe some of the assessments, Hopper might be the best pass rusher for off ball LBers in the draft.

Maybe he's gonna bust, but it seems you're being intentionally controversial.

[run pMc]

The RAS website literally says "RAS scores measure a player's athletic performance relative to their peers and predict their draft potential." It provides historical perspective of a player's athletic profile within a position.
All the players when measured were prospective NFL players, since they were taken from combine/pro days.

It considers all the prior performances at a position and ranks the player being measured against them, producing a score. It's been stated in plenty of places that Jayden Reed's 6.74 RAS puts him at the 67.4th percentile athletically among all WRs. Likewise, Hopper's 7.42 puts him at the 74.2th percentile athletically among LB prospects.

RAS scores don't necessarily matter at some positions - it can be punitive for players who play NT, for example.
Not sure it matters a ton for QB -- both Aaron Rodgers (7.16) and Tom Brady (2.67) were under your 7.5 mark.
Antonio Brown had a 3.85. Devonta Freeman was sub-3.
Those all are/were Pro Bowl players.

Keisean Nixon has a 4.05 RAS. You can find plenty of NFL players with sub 5 RAS scores.

I would agree that it's more likely that a more athletic player will succeed, and Gute has drafted a large number of players with RAS over 8.

Hopper is not a bad athlete by NFL standards.

I think he was a reach inside the top 100, but there are some things he can do well. Manny times scouting is just looking at what a player does well and being able to live with (for the moment) what they don't. If the team lets him do what he does well and can hide or fix what he doesn't, he could be a good player.

[MadtownPacker]

Saying he's not really good at something strikes me as an odd statement. If you believe some of the assessments, Hopper might be the best pass rusher for off ball LBers in the draft.

Maybe he's gonna bust, but it seems you're being intentionally controversial.

He intentionally didn’t take his meds everything else is just a result. Turns him into this guy about stuff:




He will get better soon, won’t you RG?

[RashanGary]

Bro, it measures their score among players who test to enter the nfl. He scores better than 74% of prospects attempting to get into the nfl.

Of the prospects who attempt to get into the league, not all of them make it. Most of the lower athletes don’t.

The average RAS score of actual real NFL players (not just prospects) is 7.2

He’s dead average compared to players in the NFL and better than average compared to prospects trying to get in the NFL.


How you cant comprehend that is insane to me. It’s very simple. I swear this is two times you’ve argued ridiculous shit and you’re just playing stupid on me.

[RashanGary]

Are you guys really so dense that not one person chimes in and says yeah, there is a difference between people who test to get into the league and people who actually get in the league. You really believe every player who tests is in the league? You really don’t believe the ones who make it are more athletic than the ones who don’t? You guys seriously can’t comprehend that? I feel like I’m in the twilight zone right now. I can’t believe one person anywhere can’t wrap their mind around this.