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    Weird Science

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07252/815920-85.stm

    Salt water as fuel?

    when an Erie man announced he'd ignited salt water with the radio-frequency generator he'd invented, some thought it a was a hoax.

    John Kanzius, a Washington County native, tried to desalinate seawater with a generator he developed to treat cancer, and it caused a flash in the test tube.

    Within days, he had the salt water in the test tube burning like a candle, as long as it was exposed to radio frequencies.

    His discovery has spawned scientific interest in using the world's most abundant substance as clean fuel, among other uses.

    Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, held a demonstration last week at the university's Materials Research Laboratory in State College, to confirm what he'd witnessed weeks before in an Erie lab.

    "It's true, it works," Dr. Roy said. "Everyone told me, 'Rustum, don't be fooled. He put electrodes in there.' "

    But there are no electrodes and no gimmicks, he said.

    Dr. Roy said the salt water isn't burning per se, despite appearances. The radio frequency actually weakens bonds holding together the constituents of salt water -- sodium chloride, hydrogen and oxygen -- and releases the hydrogen, which, once ignited, burns continuously when exposed to the RF energy field. Mr. Kanzius said an independent source measured the flame's temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, reflecting an enormous energy output.

    Dr. Roy said he's scheduled to meet tomorrow with U.S. Department of Energy and Department of Defense officials in Washington to discuss the discovery and seek research funding.

    He developed the RF generator as a novel cancer treatment. His research in targeting cancer cells with metallic nanoparticles then destroying them with radio-frequency is proceeding at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center and at the University of Texas' MD Anderson Cancer Center in Houston.

    Manuscripts updating the cancer research are in preparation for publication in coming months, Mr. Kanzius said.

    While Mr. Kanzius was demonstrating how his generator heated nanoparticles, someone noted condensation inside the test tube and suggested he try using his equipment to desalinate water.

    So, Mr. Kanzius said, he put sea water in a test tube, then trained his machine on it, producing an unexpected spark. In time he and laboratory owners struck a match and ignited the water, which continued burning as long as it remained in the radio-frequency field.

    During several trials, heat from burning hydrogen grew hot enough to melt the test tube, he said. Dr. Roy's tests on the machine last week provided further evidence that the process is releasing and burning hydrogen from the water. Tests on different water solutions and concentrations produced various temperatures and flame colors.

    "This is the most abundant element in the world. It is everywhere," Dr. Roy said of salt water. "Seeing it burn gives me chills."

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    And this is going to be the last we hear of it. The oil companies will likely buy up the patent so their will be no competition for the all powerful gasoline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Nutz
    And this is going to be the last we hear of it. The oil companies will likely buy up the patent so their will be no competition for the all powerful gasoline.
    Yep, just like they've stopped fusion research, bought and dismantled all the windmill companies, supported the anti-nuclear power lobby, prevented the discovery of more efficient photovoltaic chemicals. They're mad I tell you!!!

    MMMMMMmmmmmmmm HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!


    That's right Smithers, I control the WORLD!!!!!

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    Ayn,

    Could you possibly find a bigger picture of Smithers and fuck up the page a little worse? I bet you could if you tried.


    G.D. libertarians think they can do whatever they want - no social conscience.

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    picture of Smithers

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    some of us have more important things to do than memorize the names of cartoon characters. for instance, porn.

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    fair enough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
    Ayn,

    Could you possibly find a bigger picture of Smithers and fuck up the page a little worse? I bet you could if you tried.


    G.D. libertarians think they can do whatever they want - no social conscience.
    Oh hell, if it's bothering you that much, why don't you start ANOTHER salt water power thread. We only have three so far.

    BTW, no one ever thinks about the consequences of their actions. If they start making power out of salt water, what will happen to my beloved taffy?
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    Ill give you something to chew on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mraynrand
    Quote Originally Posted by Harlan Huckleby
    Ayn,

    Could you possibly find a bigger picture of Smithers and fuck up the page a little worse? I bet you could if you tried.


    G.D. libertarians think they can do whatever they want - no social conscience.
    Oh hell, if it's bothering you that much, why don't you start ANOTHER salt water power thread. We only have three so far.

    BTW, no one ever thinks about the consequences of their actions. If they start making power out of salt water, what will happen to my beloved taffy?
    Taffy! You selfish douche-bag. I always knew you ultra conservatives only thought about yourselves. The fucking whales won't have anything to swim in!
    C.H.U.D.

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    Won't burning seawater 'kill two birds with one stone' - it will reduce the CO2 output and will reduce the rising ocean levels resulting from massive global warming. We should start burning right now, so that NYC (NJ) won't be underwater for the Packer game this weekend. And you're right about the whales - we should save a few humpbacks in case they need to talk to a probe in 2-300 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mraynrand
    Won't burning seawater 'kill two birds with one stone' - it will reduce the CO2 output and will reduce the rising ocean levels resulting from massive global warming. We should start burning right now, so that NYC (NJ) won't be underwater for the Packer game this weekend.

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