He also has very stiff hips and can't sink and spin in coverage. The skill set is eerily comparable.Originally Posted by Zool
He also has very stiff hips and can't sink and spin in coverage. The skill set is eerily comparable.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
Probably whoever said Perry could be a very good situational rusher is about right.
Now Perry needs to work at doing that. He needs to work hard and keep his nose brown.
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using PEDS. FIFY.
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The girl in middle - does not have stiff hips. Doubt Nick Perry can move like that
wist
If you're comparing Perry to Harrison because of how much they sucked to begin their career you're saying Perry's expectations should be that of an undrafted free agent instead of a first round draft pick.
I said Merriman because he was an elite athlete in the same mold drafted to play the same position with the same weaknesses. Nobody cared if he could cover or not. My point was that saying Perry is misused implies there is a good way to use him which I don't think is true. A pass rusher whose ineffective rushing the passer isn't misused, he sucks.
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70% of the Earth is covered by water. The rest is covered by Al Harris.
Again, same position in a very similar D scheme is the reason for the comparison.
This is just creepy wist. Can't you just surf asian porn like a normal pervert?The girl in middle - does not have stiff hips. Doubt Nick Perry can move like that
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
Don't need porn with a wife like mine
She's pretty close to the perfect wife... when she's pissed and starts bitching (which isn't often), she reverts to her native tongue and I can't understand a word she says - usually gets me laughing if she's really pissed, lol...
wist
I would have posted some highlights of Perry - but there aren't any
You guys are completely nuts - the 2 players aren't in any way similar.
wist
Sure they are, they are both of a similar skin pigment.
I would have posted some highlights of Perry - but there aren't any
You guys are completely nuts - the 2 players aren't in any way similar.
That is a 3-4 I could get behind!The girl in middle - does not have stiff hips. Doubt Nick Perry can move like that
Defensive pressure by the Numbers (part of this applies to Packers): http://www.sportsonearth.com/article...k-runs#!bjbnjH
8. Defenses rush exactly four defenders on 62.9 percent of all pass plays.
A quick survey of depth charts reveals that exactly half of all defenses are listed as 3-4's right now. Also, a quick survey of coordinators reveals that about 95 percent of them insist "we are going to be multiple and hard to categorize," and 100 percent of them are going to be both "attacking" and "aggressive." At any rate, whether a team is officially a 3-4 or 4-3, whether they use tons of 2-3-6 personnel groups and blitz safeties on 1st-and-10 or come from the Tony Dungy school of Cover-2 fundamentalism, teams are going to rush four defenders on about two-thirds of pass plays.
Innovative, wacky, ultra-aggressive coaches rush defenders four at a time, just as they pull up their pants one leg at a time. The Cardinals, Chiefs, Packers, Saints and 49ers defenses were coached by a rogue's gallery of wild men and mad scientists last year. They combined to rush four defenders on 59.2 percent of pass plays, an insignificant smidge below the NFL average. Game situation and personnel quality are greater variables in determining how many defenders rush the quarterback than coaching philosophy. A coach who does not trust his cornerbacks is not going to blitz safeties, no matter what. A conservative coach whose defense forces lots of 3rd-and-long situations will blitz more than a barbarian whose defense cannot force obvious passing downs.
Five-man rushes occur on 22.8 percent of passes; six-man rushes (a pretty big blitz) occur on 7.2 percent of pass plays. Three-man rushes occur 5.8 percent of the time, despite all of those 3-4 defenses, which of course usually feature one or two linebackers who specialize in pass rushing. Rushes of seven or more defenders are typically reserved for red zone situations.
There's a fundamental mathematics at work with the four-man rush. A minimum of five defenders are needed to match up with five eligible receivers, a sixth defender is usually needed for double coverage, deep safety, quarterback spying or what have you, and diminishing returns kick in if three or fewer pass rushers make it easy for the quarterback to check his voicemail in the pocket. The aggressive defensive innovators of the 2010s express their individuality by sending four unexpected defenders. Bob Sutton of the Chiefs might send a nose tackle, a cornerback, a safety and Jamaal Charles (he does every other darn thing in Kansas City, so why not?), but he is more-or-less as likely to send four rushers as Lovie Smith is to send two tackles and two ends.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Of course 4 is most common number of rushers - always has been, always will. The questions become how do you create mismatches, confusion in the blocking scheme and coverage - and, also account for the run, as teams are now lining up with 3 WR's in run/pass sitautions.
Capers accounted for the run by plopping 650 lbs of Pickett and Raji in the middle of the line. Problem with that was Pickett offered zero pass rush, and Raji wore down in the role and offered no pass rush either.
The result was that if it was a pass, we effectively only had 2 pass rushers getting after the QB; and, if it was a run and the RB had a seam thru the line, our ILB's being below average, the second level of our defense usually wasn't there to clean up; hence, we routinely got gashed in the running game.
So it was the worst of both worlds the way Capers ran his nickel.
I read an article a while back which detailed the amount of nickel that teams are running now. The Saints ran the most nickel of any team in the league at 85% - but they ran exactly 0% 2-4. Granted, they are a base 4-3 team, but the 3-3 they ran was much better suited to dealing with run/pass than Capers 2-4.
The only other teams that ran the 2-4 more than 30% of the time were Washington and San Francisco, but I would argue both of those teams have vastly superior LB's, and could make the alignment work much better than Capers could with the personnel he has.
Given that Pickett and Jolly are not back, and looking at the stable of DL on the roster now, I'd imagine Capers will necessarily have to go to more of a 4-2/3-3 look, similar to how SF looks with Peppers and Aldon Smith being similar in stature and ability.
wist
1. Raji and Pickett played some nickel, but only when the percentages (or clock perhaps) said the opposition was going to run.
2. One of the problems we have in this debate is that we think 2-4 and 3-3 are entirely different schemes. But they are not. They are counts of positions. If Perry was on the Saints he would be part of the front line 3-3. A pass rushing end. One of whom is almost always on the field and a second of which could be inserted when they take two DL off the field and put in a DB and a pass rusher. The fact that he has not been productive enough is why Peppers is here.
3. Which leads to the obvious question: how often was the Saints 3-3 nickel geared toward beef rather than pass rush? Ideally, you do not need to substitute. Which is one reason why Pickett is no longer on the team, they hope Raji does that again.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
The Saints actually played much more 4-2, as the strength of their defense is on the DL - which is where our is as well; so it only makes sense to have those players on the field.
Perry or Neal aren't the issue here - the issue is Pickett, Raji, Hawk, and Brad Jones. 2 of those guys should not be on the field in the nickel. Pickett for sure, and one of either Hawk or Brad Jones, depending on whether the team we're playing is expected more likely to run or pass. Pass? play Jones over Hawk; Run? play Hawk over Jones.
As for Raji, at this point, I'd play him predominantly in the base 3-4, and leave the nickel interior line to Daniels, Peppers, D. Jones, Guion, Worthy, and now Thorton; with Perry used as a situational pass rusher from the DE position in a 4-2. Maybe a 4-2 of Peppers, Daniels, D. Jones, and Perry on the line. Use Boyd and Raji in the base - which we only run about 20% of the time anyway.
The goal should be to make as much use of the DL talent as possible, and minimize the use of Brad Jones and Hawk. Bradford will surely be in the mix on the outside as well.
wist
Not sure if serious...
I agree Hawk and Jones present a problem, but who covers without them? You send Matthews into coverage (and I do think they should move him inside occasionally to mix things up) and you weaken your pass rush immediately. If only one LB on the field in nickel can cover the deep middle or crossing routes, you have to play 6 man pass defense unless you drop an OLB. That means you HAVE to get pressure and that has not happened enough even with a five man rush.
I still have some hope for Jones in his run defense, but they do need an upgrade. Some are banking on Lattimore or Barrington, but I don't see it yet.
Perry or Neal sized players in a 4-3 are playing end. Heck, on the Seahawks Matthews would be an elephant end with his hand in the ground sometimes.
I also agree Pickett is basically an advertisement for what you are willing to surrender, but you have to defend against the worst outcome and Capers always schemes to stop the run first. He has way too many players who have limits going both ways.
That is why I think McCarthy is demanding less scheme, one more tailored to the players. This will help out with youth and injuries. But it doesn't solve each position.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
This year's defense, APRH, will be a test of a couple of ways of planning your D.
Do what you do well and have everyone on the same page to limit mistakes. Helps with rookies, young-ins and injuries. Might open you up to being abused by a sophisticated offense (Saints, Patriots, Broncos) if you don't win the individual battle. While its not the Johnson/Wannestadt/Bates defense in scheme, it is the philosophy.
Scheme to stop the biggest threat to your team's success. Know where your weaknesses are and be prepared to cover them or hide them. Its complicated, better run by vets but will not give good offenses easy choices. If the other team has a weakness, scheme to attack it, you won't have to hold the backend forever if you are successful.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
You scheme against the biggest threats but that changes each week. I'd argue the better philosophy is to achieve balance in your own personnel. If you've got an embarrassment of riches in run defenders you can sell out against the pass, knowing you'll be able to be somewhat effective against the run if it comes. This was us in 2010 after a 2009 of dominating against the run. The problem with those teams is that while you can sell out against the run effectively, you can sell out against the pass to achieve balance, but you've run out of trade offs to make when you absolutely must stop the pass. This is the story of 2011, the offense was good enough to force other teams to pass and even when we knew it was coming we couldn't do shit to stop it.
Judging by the personnel changes this year it looks like a roster that no longer needs to sell out against anything just to achieve balance. If anything, we may end up putting strong pass rushers in a 3-4 or even 2-5 Eagle type D to keep the run at bay depending on how Raji and the new beef perform without Pickett or Jolly.
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I think there is something to this, and might be the most telling thing about the offseason, not Peppers or less scheme/volume/whatever.
More versatile lineman on the field more. This could mean more base but no one has publicly contemplated that. But it could mean less beefy nickel except in obvious run situations.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
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