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    Seahawks Targeting Tramontana

    According to the voices in Bob McGinn's head.

    http://t.co/MwJo1RY368
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    Interesting contract numbers in the article:

    Meanwhile, the Packers have told Williams they'll take him back on a two-year contract worth $8 million, according to a source. The team's proposal was rejected.

    Williams would prefer returning to Green Bay but is seeking a three- or even four-year contract averaging at least $5 million. The source said Williams wanted significant guaranteed money as protection against being released.
    Williams has been very public about his preference for returning to GB. The length of the contract is relatively irrelevant to the team, if the guaranteed portion is acceptable. Williams wants $5M/yr, the team has offered $4M; the difference seems manageable. The hang-up seems to be the guaranteed portion. Peppers 3 year deal is for a significantly higher average, but had a signing bonus of just $7.5. The Packers generally are willing to pay well, just won't guarantee a lot for older players. If Williams finds that others aren't willing to guarantee $8-10M or more on a three or four year deal, it looks like he could be back in GB.

    I wonder if they have made an offer to House, or if this indicates their preference is for Williams.
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    Some interesting info from another article about Williams in the GBPG:

    http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...iams/24399299/


    Williams has played in 140 of a possible 141 games since then and epitomized dependability. His 22 interceptions since 2010 (including playoffs) trail only Seattle's Richard Sherman for most among NFL defenders.
    Williams' ability to hold off the hands of time can't be discounted, either. He played more snaps (1,134) than any other defensive player in 2014.


    But. ...... are these stats from 2014 an indication that the end is here?

    According to Pro Football Focus, opposing quarterbacks completed 63-of-98 passes (64.3 percent) for 743 yards and eight touchdowns against Williams' coverage for a 101.7 passer rating, the highest of his career.

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    Williams has never been a darling of advanced stats (sometimes it looks like he shouldn't be starting) but even I was surprised by how much they said Shields outplayed him this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Williams has never been a darling of advanced stats (sometimes it looks like he shouldn't be starting) but even I was surprised by how much they said Shields outplayed him this year.
    House, too; which makes me wonder who the Packers prefer if $ isn't an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Williams has never been a darling of advanced stats (sometimes it looks like he shouldn't be starting) but even I was surprised by how much they said Shields outplayed him this year.
    shocking, cause my eyes told me shields had a shitty year, tramon had a better year then last year and house was a JAG

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    I thought targeting was illegal - or is that only in college football?
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    "The source said Williams wanted significant guaranteed money as protection against being released."

    it's all about the GM.
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    Not too surprising that Tramon doesn't like that deal at this point. He's made twice that much for the last few years.

    Even so, this doesn't make sense... At the key time for position jockeying by agents, the SEAHAWKS are chasing an old corner who might be losing a step and who doesn't tackle real well? I could see Williams being their second or third choice but not their first. Seattle could be using him as a decoy for who they're really interested in which would be pretty convenient for Williams to play along with too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    Interesting contract numbers in the article:



    Williams has been very public about his preference for returning to GB. The length of the contract is relatively irrelevant to the team, if the guaranteed portion is acceptable. Williams wants $5M/yr, the team has offered $4M; the difference seems manageable. The hang-up seems to be the guaranteed portion. Peppers 3 year deal is for a significantly higher average, but had a signing bonus of just $7.5. The Packers generally are willing to pay well, just won't guarantee a lot for older players. If Williams finds that others aren't willing to guarantee $8-10M or more on a three or four year deal, it looks like he could be back in GB.

    I wonder if they have made an offer to House, or if this indicates their preference is for Williams.
    I would give Williams between 5=6MIL on a two year deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    Not too surprising that Tramon doesn't like that deal at this point. He's made twice that much for the last few years.

    Even so, this doesn't make sense... At the key time for position jockeying by agents, the SEAHAWKS are chasing an old corner who might be losing a step and who doesn't tackle real well? I could see Williams being their second or third choice but not their first. Seattle could be using him as a decoy for who they're really interested in which would be pretty convenient for Williams to play along with too.
    I too don't understand why Seattle would want to pursue an aging CB like Williams either, especially for the money TWill supposedly wants. I suspect Tramon is going to be disappointed when FA begins and will end up returning to us in the end like James Jones did a couple of years ago.

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    Williams is a puzzle to me. The stats I quoted earlier are troubling:
    According to Pro Football Focus, opposing quarterbacks completed 63-of-98 passes (64.3 percent) for 743 yards and eight touchdowns against Williams' coverage for a 101.7 passer rating, the highest of his career.
    As a team, the Packers yielded 333 of 564 (59%) for 3623 yards, and 26 TDs for a QB rating of 82.0. Williams looks to have been a bit of a weak link in the pass defense. Of course, that judgement has to be tempered by the recognition that he played more snaps than any other player on defense. That impacted the raw numbers; however, the completion percentage and opposing QB rate are a concern and not elevated from having played more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bretsky View Post
    I would give Williams between 5=6MIL on a two year deal
    Cap is going up; use it on the guys who want to stay here if there are any
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Williams has never been a darling of advanced stats (sometimes it looks like he shouldn't be starting) but even I was surprised by how much they said Shields outplayed him this year.
    Shields gets no love around here. I often wonder what games people are watching. He all but stonewalled Dez Bryant....tell me how many DBs played dez as well as shields did?
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    Quote Originally Posted by red View Post
    shocking, cause my eyes told me shields had a shitty year, tramon had a better year then last year and house was a JAG
    I rest my case. You think Jones is shitty (correct), but then you come back with this. I just don't get it. Shields is a stud who shuts down #1's. What isn't to like?
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    Yet neither Shields nor Williams could slow down Julio Jones at all. Only Davon House put up resistance against him, breaking up several passes once he got into the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patler View Post
    Yet neither Shields nor Williams could slow down Julio Jones at all. Only Davon House put up resistance against him, breaking up several passes once he got into the game.
    MM put them into counting possessions mindset. I fully believe that. They were both playing soft as shit against him, avoiding the "big play". And as I have said, once you start playing that way, it takes until next sunday to get it back. House on the other hand came in cold and hungry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobblehead View Post
    Shields gets no love around here. I often wonder what games people are watching. He all but stonewalled Dez Bryant....tell me how many DBs played dez as well as shields did?
    Two things I can think of. One, he does allow some long plays. The second is the bail zone coverage where Hyde or Hayward has short and Shields is running deep. A lot of passes get completed into that gap and Shields is in the vicinity, and gets the blame unless Hyde tips the ball.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Two things I can think of. One, he does allow some long plays. The second is the bail zone coverage where Hyde or Hayward has short and Shields is running deep. A lot of passes get completed into that gap and Shields is in the vicinity, and gets the blame unless Hyde tips the ball.
    this could very well be why i think he's not that great. a lot of big plays or big completions with him being the closest guy, but not really close

    and didn't he miss a lot of tackles?

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