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  1. #301
    Good post Patler. I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    Mariota might suffer a Rodgers according to Charles Robinson.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/news/smoke-s...005301737.html

    kinda doubt it now that one of winston's handlers said he's not ready.

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    I have seen impossible to unpack paragraphs in many long form articles. Its not the 140 characters. Its the lack of time and editing.
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    I find it to be mostly the limited characters. It is impossible to provide context for interpretation, and simple phrases on their own are often ambiguous.

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    Ran through another mock. I traded down a few times and found myself in no-mans-land where the best players were all WRs and RBs... Had to trade up twice as well. The more I do this, the more I lament our draft position @30...

    042 - R2P10 - LB STEPHONE ANTHONY, CLEMSON
    074 - R3P10 - TE CLIVE WALFORD, MIAMI (FLA.)
    094 - R3P30 - RB DAVID JOHNSON, NORTHERN IOWA
    105 - R4P06 - CB JOSH SHAW, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
    126 - R4P27 - CB IFO EKPRE-OLOMU, OREGON
    141 - R5P05 - WR CHRIS CONLEY, GEORGIA
    144 - R5P08 - TE TYLER KROFT, RUTGERS
    146 - R5P10 - CB KEVIN WHITE, TCU
    166 - R5P30 - DT XAVIER WILLIAMS, NORTHERN IOWA
    182 - R6P06 - FB TYLER VARGA, YALE
    186 - R6P10 - LB XZAVIER DICKSON, ALABAMA
    206 - R6P30 - DT JOEY MBU, HOUSTON
    210 - R6P34 - CB CRAIG MAGER, TEXAS STATE
    213 - R6P37 - OT ANDREW DONNAL, IOWA

    Both of the DTs I picked are nose tackles. I was trying to hit the side of a pig's ass with a handful of gravel.

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    Ron Jaworski says sources indicating Bucs could take Mariota #1 instead of Winston. http://fansided.com/2015/04/13/marcu...mors-jaworski/

    I realize a lot of stuff gets leaked by teams this time of year that isn't true, but it wouldn't surprise me. I've always thought Mariota is the type of QB Lovie Smith would rather have.

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    I have lost quite a bit of respect for Jaworski over the years. He seems on his way to becoming a concern troll.

    But the biggest hit his reputation took was discovering it was Cosell, not Jaws, who was watching all that tape for NFL Matchup. I have significant doubt he has independent sources giving him real info about the Bucs plans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    Ron Jaworski says sources indicating Bucs could take Mariota #1 instead of Winston. http://fansided.com/2015/04/13/marcu...mors-jaworski/

    I realize a lot of stuff gets leaked by teams this time of year that isn't true, but it wouldn't surprise me. I've always thought Mariota is the type of QB Lovie Smith would rather have.
    when i watched the 2 of them play each other this year i came away thinking mariota looked like the better QB on the field. add in all the off field stuff with winston, and i would think it's a no brainer who the first QB taken is

    i also don't think either one is worth a shit, i think they're both closer to geno smith then andrew luck. i don't think either one SHOULD be a first rounder, and i doubt either amounts to much in the pros

    i'm glad we aren't a team thats desperate for a franchise QB, it really makes you do stupid things

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    Quote Originally Posted by smuggler View Post
    Ran through another mock. I traded down a few times and found myself in no-mans-land where the best players were all WRs and RBs... Had to trade up twice as well. The more I do this, the more I lament our draft position @30...

    042 - R2P10 - LB STEPHONE ANTHONY, CLEMSON
    074 - R3P10 - TE CLIVE WALFORD, MIAMI (FLA.)
    094 - R3P30 - RB DAVID JOHNSON, NORTHERN IOWA
    105 - R4P06 - CB JOSH SHAW, SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
    126 - R4P27 - CB IFO EKPRE-OLOMU, OREGON
    141 - R5P05 - WR CHRIS CONLEY, GEORGIA
    144 - R5P08 - TE TYLER KROFT, RUTGERS
    146 - R5P10 - CB KEVIN WHITE, TCU
    166 - R5P30 - DT XAVIER WILLIAMS, NORTHERN IOWA
    182 - R6P06 - FB TYLER VARGA, YALE
    186 - R6P10 - LB XZAVIER DICKSON, ALABAMA
    206 - R6P30 - DT JOEY MBU, HOUSTON
    210 - R6P34 - CB CRAIG MAGER, TEXAS STATE
    213 - R6P37 - OT ANDREW DONNAL, IOWA

    Both of the DTs I picked are nose tackles. I was trying to hit the side of a pig's ass with a handful of gravel.
    Must get Anthony or I'll be disappointed. Like the 14 picks, but I think TT will stand pat on his 9.
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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    At most TT would trade back and add a 10th. I screwed myself when the guys I was targeting kept getting snagged. Traded back too often, but then, I do not have the confidence in my selections that a pro department would.

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    http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=10483

    Quite possibly no defensive back is moving up draft boards faster than Eric Rowe of Utah.

    As first reported two weeks ago, there’s a feeling Rowe will end up in the second half of round one and won’t get past the 40th pick. The teams I’m hearing highest on Rowe in round one include the Green Bay Packers and Philadelphia Eagles. The Eagles have doubled up on Rowe, that is worked him out and will bring him in for an official visit, as have the Detroit Lions, who believe Rowe can start at either safety or cornerback.

    Teams who like Rowe but select late in the rounds face a dilemma as most realize if they don’t draft him with their initial selection he won’t be on the board when they’re called on the clock in round two. Teams love Rowe’s size, athleticism and versatility but also feel he’s a smart, coachable player. The New Orleans Saints, Tampa Bay Bucs and Oakland Raiders are also bringing Rowe in for a visit. The Atlanta Falcons are working him out in a few weeks.
    Getting back to the Green Bay Packers, immediately after the the combine I was told by several sources cornerback Kevin Johnson of Wake Forest is a player that have been targeting in round one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joemailman View Post
    What a load of bologna. Nobody knows who the Packers are targeting. God doesn't even know who the Packers are targeting.
    "The Devine era is actually worse than you remember if you go back and look at it."

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    Is there really a player named Xzavier?
    "There's a lot of interest in the draft. It's great. But quite frankly, most of the people that are commenting on it don't know anything about what they are talking about."--Ted Thompson

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    Literacy is not a requisite for breeding.

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    And the backtracking begins. Bet Jaworski got out over his skis as public draft opinion started to elevate Mariota again and he oversold the general consensus as his "sources". Long term workers at ESPN should start thinking about the long term affects of ESPN employment.

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...cs-but-doesnt/
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    Quote Originally Posted by HarveyWallbangers View Post
    Is there really a player named Xzavier?
    How would you spell the name: Ex-Zavier ?
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fritz View Post
    What a load of bologna. Nobody knows who the Packers are targeting. God doesn't even know who the Packers are targeting.
    Agreed. TT probably has a standing policy that anyone on staff who speaks out of school will be fired. I'm betting it's an intentional leak.
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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    ILBs Courtesy of http://gnb.scout.com

    http://gnb.scout.com/story/1536932-r...asurables?s=61

    Code:
    NO. PLAYER		40 (10)		3-CONE	20 S	ARM	BROAD	BENCH	VERT
    1. Eric Kendricks	4.61 (1.57)	7.14*	4.14*	31	10-04	19	38
    2. Stephone Anthony	4.56 (1.56)	7.07	4.03	32 1/2	10-02	23	37
    3. Benardrick McKinney	4.66 (1.63)	7.21	4.27	33	10-00	16	40.5
    4. Paul Dawson		4.93 (1.68)	6.76*	4.49	31 1/2	09-01	21	28
    5. Denzel Perryman	4.78 (1.67)	7.07**	4.39**	31 7/8	09-03	27	32
    6. Kwon Alexander	4.55 (1.58)	7.14	4.20	30 1/4	10-01	24	36
    7. Jordan Hicks		4.68 (1.58)	6.78	4.15	32	10-04	20	38
    8. Mike Hull		4.68 (1.60)	6.99	4.15	30 1/2	09-02*	31	30.5*
    9. Ben Heeney		4.59 (1.61)	6.68	4.00	30 3/4	10-00	19	33.5
    10. Ramik Wilson	4.77 (1.65)	7.39*	4.51	33	09-03	23	35
    11. Bryce Hager		4.60 (1.60)	7.15	4.36	31 3/8	09-09	26	35
    12. Jake Ryan		4.65 (1.62)	7.11	4.20	31	10-00	20	34.5
    13. Taiwan Jones	4.95 (1.72)	7.25	4.33	34	09-07	19	32
    14. Hayes Pullard	4.78 (1.64)	7.07	4.39	31 1/4	09-02	19	31
    15. Edmond Robinson	4.61 (1.61)	7.49	4.38	34	10-01	20	37
    Note: Figures marked with an asterisk are from pro days and taken from NFLDraftScout.com. For Perryman, he didn’t do the three-cone or 20 shuttle at the Combine and was injured at pro day, so his figures come from in-season testing and are courtesy of the Thomas.


    “Linebackers want to outperform their peer group in six of the seven skill drills at the Combine,” Sundquist said. “That is, they want to exceed the average posted by all the players at that position. Joe looked at the percent of starters over a given time period and saw a certain percent of those starting at that position in the NFL that did just that.”
    According to Landers’ findings, 40-yard dash (79 percent of starters outperformed their peers), long shuttle (78 percent), three-cone drill (77 percent) and short shuttle (73 percent) are the top predictors for linebackers. That’s followed by broad jump (70 percent), bench press (67 percent) and vertical jump (64 percent). Arm length is critical, as well, as that is a 240-pound linebacker’s No. 1 line of defense against a 320-pound guard.
    Note they say arm length is crucial but don't specify how starters performed. Numbers alone probably don't tell the story. Need to have long arms, some strength and good hand technique.

    For comparison, here is Harv's guy from ND State and Barrington:
    Sam Barrington = 6'1" 246, 4.83 40, 4.25 shuttle, 7.16 cone, 32.5 vertical, 117 broad, 22 bench
    Kyle Emanuel = 6'3" 255, 4.77 40, 4.25 shuttle, 7.10 cone, 34 vertical, 120 broad, 27 bench
    Last edited by pbmax; 04-14-2015 at 09:30 PM.
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    Same source, rankings in position group for six most important attributes. (Note No. 1: No points were awarded for the 10-yard times because they so closely corresponded to the 40-yard times. Note No. 2: Again, the long shuttle was not included because times are not available for every prospect.)

    Code:
    PLAYER		40 (10)	3-CONE	20 S	ARM	BROAD	BENCH	VERT	TOTAL
    Steph. Anthony	2 (1)	5	2	5	3	5	4	26
    Jordan Hicks	9 (3)	3	4	6	1	8	2	33
    Eric Kendricks	5 (2)	9	3	11	1	11	2	42
    Kwon Alexander	1 (3)	9	6	15	4	4	6	45
    Ben Heeney	3 (7)	1	1	13	6	11	10	45
    Edmond Robinson	5 (7)	15	11	1	4	8	4	48
    B. McKinney	8 (10)	12	8	3	6	15	1	53
    Bryce Hager	4 (5)	11	10	9	9	3	7	54
    Jake Ryan	7 (9)	8	6	11	6	8	9	55
    Mike Hull	9 (5)	4	4	14	13	1	14	59
    Denzel Perryman	12 (13)	5	12	7	11	2	11	60
    Ramik Wilson	11 (12)	14	15	3	11	5	7	66
    Taiwan Jones	15 (15)	13	9	1	10	11	11	70
    Paul Dawson	14 (14)	2	14	8	15	7	15	75
    Hayes Pullard	12 (11)	5	12	10	13	11	13	76
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    Based on Landers’ findings that the 40, three-cone and shuttle times are the most important results from the Scouting Combine (plus direction from NFLDraftScout’s Rob Rang, a former NFC scout and a current NFC scout):

    Code:
    PLAYER		40 (10)	3-CONE	20 S	ARM	TOTAL	BROAD	BENCH	VERT	TOTAL
    Steph. Anthony	2 (1)	5	2	5	14	3	5	4	26
    Ben Heeney	3 (7)	1	1	13	18	6	11	10	45
    Jordan Hicks	9 (3)	3	4	6	22	1	8	2	33
    Eric Kendricks	5 (2)	9	3	11	28	1	11	2	42
    Kwon Alexander	1 (3)	9	6	15	31	4	4	6	45
    B. McKinney	8 (10)	12	8	3	31	6	15	1	53
    Mike Hull	9 (5)	4	4	14	31	13	1	14	59
    Edmond Robinson	5 (7)	15	11	1	32	4	8	4	48
    Jake Ryan	7 (9)	8	6	11	32	6	8	9	55
    Bryce Hager	4 (5)	11	10	9	34	9	3	7	54
    Denzel Perryman	12 (13)	5	12	7	36	11	2	11	60
    Taiwan Jones	15 (15)	13	9	1	38	10	11	11	70
    Paul Dawson	14 (14)	2	14	8	38	15	7	15	75
    Hayes Pullard	12 (11)	5	12	10	39	13	11	13	76
    Ramik Wilson	11 (12)	14	15	3	43	11	5	7	66
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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