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    They had Jesse James in for a visit... don't think he'd go in the 2nd though.
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    3. MITCH MORSE | Missouri 6053|305 lbs|5SR Austin, Texas (St. Michael’s Academy) 4/21/1992 (age 23) #65
    GRADE 4th Round


    BACKGROUND: A three-star offensive tackle recruit out of high school, Morse made up his mind as a junior that he wanted to attend Missouri, redshirting in 2010. After serving as a back-up in 2011, he started the first seven games at center before moving outside to right tackle in the final four contests. Morse started all 14 games at right tackle as a junior in 2013 and moved to the left side as a senior in 2014 (14 starts), replacing Justin Britt and earning Second Team All-SEC honors. He earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl, but was unable to accept due to injury.


    STRENGTHS: Adequate height, frame and upper body strength – country strong…agile footwork and quickness off the snap, looking to engage and utilize angles with a coordinated lower body…quick eyes and active feet to mirror…confident pass-sets and comfortable operating in space – gets downfield and is effective at the second level…balanced and rarely see him on the ground on film…keeps his legs driving as a run blocker…quick-thinking blocker who maximizes his skill-set strengths…senior captain with natural leadership traits and the desired tenacious temperament…strong family man and mature beyond his years – accountability might be his greatest strength…tough and plays through injuries, missing only one game the past three seasons…started 39 games the past three seasons with starting experience at both tackle spots and center – also has snaps at guard under his belt.


    WEAKNESSES: Lean lower body and doesn’t play with ideal base strength, causing him to play on his heels vs. bull rushers…shorter arms, allowing rushers to attack him before he’s able to land a punch…looks to engage quickly, but struggles to control the point of attack – weight room strength doesn’t always show on film…not a people mover in the ground game and needs to show more consistent bend with his lower body…bad habit of ducking his head at times and will struggle with moving targets…minor durability issues after breaking his left index finger (Nov. 2014), which required surgery, although he didn’t miss a game and played in a cast; missed one game as a sophomore with strained MCL in his left knee (Oct. 2012).


    SUMMARY: Only a few offensive line prospects in this draft class have legitimate experience at all five offensive line spots, but Morse is one of them, starting at center before moving to right tackle and finishing with an All-Conference senior season at left tackle – didn’t start at guard, but saw snaps there during games and practice. He is patient, balanced and competitive with the high FBI (football intelligence) desired, but he needs to improve his anchor strength and lower body flexibility to better match up vs. NFL rushers. A consummate teammate who is willing to play any trench position, Morse is viewed as a tackle by some teams, a guard for others, but he should be able to compete for snaps at center during his rookie season in the NFL – early day three prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    Don't want Dawson... think Ted will go OT here.
    Carl Davis is still available, as are Michael Bennett and PJ Williams, Quinten Rollins and Jordan Phillips.
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
    John Maxymuk, Packers By The Numbers

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    Glad Jim Kelly is still kickin.....

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    whoa, jim kellys daughter is fucking hot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Carl Davis is still available, as are Michael Bennett and PJ Williams, Quinten Rollins and Jordan Phillips.
    Don't think TT will go defense here... so if he goes offense, it'll be OT or TE I would think.
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    5. RONALD DARBY | Florida State 5105|193 lbs|3JR Oxon Hill, Md. (Potomac HS) 1/2/1994 (age 21) #3
    GRADE 1st-2nd Round


    BACKGROUND: A four-star cornerback recruit out of high school, Darby attracted scholarship offers from every major FBS powerhouse, committing to Florida State (to play football and run track) over Clemson, Maryland and Notre Dame (his original commitment). He didn’t start as a true freshman, but saw considerable playing time, mostly in nickel situations, and tied for second on the team with eight passes defended, earning ACC Defensive Rookie of the Year honors. Although off-season surgery kept him from being 100%, Darby became a starter in 2013 as a sophomore and helped the Seminoles defense lead the nation in scoring (12.1 points per game), finishing with 14 tackles, six passes defended and a pair of interceptions. He started all 14 games in 2014 as a junior and recorded 43 tackles and four passes defended, earning Third Team All-ACC honors. Darby gave up his final season of college eligibility to enter the 2015 NFL Draft. He starred on the Seminoles track and field squad as well, winning the 100- and 200-meter dash state championships in high school.


    STRENGTHS: Adequate height and frame for the position with some growth potential…instant acceleration and above average speed to run stride-for-stride with receivers vertically – great make-up speed…sudden feet and loose hips, displaying excellent body control and fluidity…stays low and balanced in his stance with quick feet, appearing comfortable in reverse with easy change of direction skills…beautiful plant-and-drive quickness with controlled footwork and above average reaction athleticism…reads routes well to digest, jump throws and stay on top of receivers, deterring quarterbacks from testing his side of the field – targeted once every 5.6 pass attempts in 2014…instinctive ballskills with strong belief in his abilities to survive on an island – assertive and confident…likes to get physical and play hands-on in coverage…willing run defender and knows how to leverage the field…can be blocked out of plays, but feisty and works hard to shed…alert and won’t take plays off – excellent effort in 2014 Florida game, racing down the field to throw a key block on an interception return.


    WEAKNESSES: Lacks ideal length and function strength for the position…can be out-muscled by bigger targets, losing body position downfield…too grabby downfield and can be an easy target for penalties with his hands-on approach…doesn’t consistently jam in press, but lacks the shock in his hands to make much of a difference when he does…room to improve his footwork and lower body technique at the line of scrimmage – needs to calm his feet with a bad habit of hopping and oversetting, especially against speedy receivers…will flip his hips the wrong way downfield and needs to get his head turned to find the ball – too content playing his man and not locating…needs to improve his timing when driving on the ball in off coverage – will play too fast and arrive early…room to clean up his tackling technique, hitting too high and lacking the core strength to get away with bad habits…some durability concerns after several nagging injuries the past three seasons, including hamstring, groin and arm issues – underwent surgery in Jan. 2013 for a sports hernia…maturity and off-field decision-making needs investigated after a disciplinary board ruled on charges he violated the school’s Code of Conduct, refusing to testify at the sexual misconduct hearing for Jameis Winston (his college roommate) – also was in the car with teammate P.J. Williams during an alleged hit-and-run incident (Oct. 2014)…unimpressive (albeit deceiving) college production with only two interceptions and average tackle numbers – doesn’t have experience as a return man.


    SUMMARY: A member of the gold medal-winning USA medley relay team at the 2011 World Youth Championships in France, Darby can fly on the football field with above average acceleration and top-end speed that serves him well at the position. He has the natural reflexes, body fluidity and transitional quickness to play press and off-man, always staying within arm’s length with the receiver. Darby has the athleticism to blanket pass-catchers, but he often treats receivers like a coat rack, hanging on and holding too much. Although the mental toughness and antagonistic attitude are there, there are concerns about his physical toughness to hold up in run support with limited core strength, struggling against bigger receivers downfield as well. Darby doesn’t have the most impressive collegiate résumé, but that’s deceiving as quarterbacks often stayed away from his side of the field, limiting his chances to make plays. He isn’t without his flaws, especially in zone coverage, but Darby has the rare speed and cover skills that will serve him well at the next level – NFL starting skill-set.

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    Browns next. This could be Maxx Williams.

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    I liked Darby... he may be a bit undersized - but unlike Randall, he's a hitter and plays bigger than his size.

    Randall plays like a pussy - which is why he caught the eye of the Packers.
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    8. NATE ORCHARD | Utah 6032|250 lbs|4SR Salt Lake City, Utah (Highland HS) 1/5/1993 (age 22) #8
    GRADE 3rd Round


    BACKGROUND: A three-star wide receiver recruit out of high school, Nathaniel “Nate” Orchard (full name is Napaa Lilo Fakahafua Orchard) committed to Utah early in the process and moved full-time to defense in 2011 as a true freshman reserve. He became the starting left defensive end in 2012 as a sophomore and finished among the team leaders in tackles for loss (9.5), sacks (3.0) and forced fumbles (3), earning All-Pac 12 Honorable Mention honors. Orchard started 12 games at left defensive end in 2013 as a junior, recording 9.0 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks, but had his best season in 2014 as a senior right defensive end and linebacker. He finished second in the FBS in sacks (18.5), first on the team in tackles for loss (21.0) and second in total tackles (84), earning First Team All-America and All-Pac 12 honors and winning the Ted Hendricks and Morris Awards. He went by Nate Fakahafua his first two seasons at Utah before taking his guardians’ last name in 2013 (raised by guardian parents, but still has a relationship with his birth mother). Orchard earned an invitation to the 2015 Senior Bowl.


    STRENGTHS: Quick first step with long strides to accelerate well, routinely the first Utah lineman off the ball…natural bend around the edge with closing burst to finish with purpose…high effort player and doesn’t give up on plays – excellent pursuit from snap-to-snap…subtle rush movements to set up moves, finding ways to get to the quarterback…active and rangy for the position…always alert with proper diagnose skills to read and react with timing and trust in what he sees…good awareness vs. the run and tougher than he looks – does his best to play the power brand of football needed to stop the run…improved hand use as a senior to work off blocks, keeping himself clean with good arm length for the position…works his tail off and highly competitive, giving consistent effort each snap and through the whistle – wants to be the best and expects a lot out of himself…defensive leader with excellent physical and mental toughness – wears the “C” proudly on his jersey…experienced at left and right defensive end and as the “STUD” linebacker, lining up in both two and three point stances…mature lifestyle with a wife (Maegan) and infant daughter (Katherine Mae)…highly productive senior season, setting a school record with 18.5 sacks…leaves Utah tied for third in school history in career sacks (25.0), second in career tackles for loss (38.5) and tied for second in career forced fumbles (8).


    WEAKNESSES: Leaner-than-ideal frame and lacks muscle definition wanted at the position…upper and lower body strength need developed to better hold his ground, often losing balance once blockers initiate contact…struggles to generate power at the point of attack and needs to better convert his speed into strength – lacks the natural momentum to bull rush or get blockers going in reverse…needs to load more ammo into his hands to better punch at the contact point – reads the run well, but lacks the consistent power to make stops…average athletically with ordinary redirection skills and functional burst…will struggle to collect himself and break down in space at times, even with a clear path to the quarterback…has some experience dropping into coverage, but doesn’t look comfortable – wild footwork and his spatial awareness needs refined the farther he gets from the ball…past left shoulder issues, minor durability concerns.


    SUMMARY: Orchard arrived at Utah as a wide receiver named Fakahafua and leaves as one of the school’s most decorated defensive players with the name of Orchard after taking the last name of his guardian parents. He was highly active in the Utes defense, lining up on both sides of the line and playing in space, although he’s very green dropping into coverage and works best getting upfield. Orchard has natural flexibility to bend the edge and finds ways to slip blocks, but struggles to get much of a push, lacking a clear power element to his game to force the issue or overwhelm blockers. He might be ideally suited as a “wide-nine” defensive end at the next level with his hand-on-the-ground, but can also stand up in a 3-4 scheme – solid third round prospect.

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    Eli Harold? Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wist43 View Post
    I liked Darby... he may be a bit undersized - but unlike Randall, he's a hitter and plays bigger than his size.

    Randall plays like a pussy - which is why he caught the eye of the Packers.
    Why don't you go cheer for the Browns then? They're fucking awesome.

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    5. JORDAN PHILLIPS | Oklahoma 6052|329 lbs|4SO Towanda, Kan. (Circle HS) 9/21/1992 (age 22) #80
    GRADE 2nd Round


    BACKGROUND: A four-star defensive tackle recruit out of high school, Phillips committed to Oklahoma over offers from Auburn, Nebraska and UCLA, redshirting in 2011. He saw limited snaps as a back-up in 2012 as a redshirt freshman, recording 12 tackles. Phillips started the first four games of 2013 as a sophomore before an injury ended his season and finished with seven tackles, 2.0 tackles for loss and 1.5 sacks, receiving a medical hardship waiver from the NCAA. He returned healthy and started all 13 games as a sophomore in 2014, recording 39 tackles, 7.0 tackles for loss and 2.0 sacks, earning Second Team All-Big 12 honors. Phillips decided to bypass his senior season to enter the 2015 NFL Draft.


    STRENGTHS: Physically impressive with broad shoulders, girthy frame and tree branches for arms…heavy-handed with the upper body power to move blockers, extending his limbs and bullying bodies into the pocket…carries his weight well laterally with natural body control to work up and down the line of scrimmage…fluid in space for his size, changing directions and giving chase…good snap anticipation and initial movements off the ball to beat blockers to gaps…strong vines for arms to cage ballcarriers in the middle of the line with the hand strength to finish tackles…uses his hands to rip-and-disengage…roots himself in the trenches and not an easy player to move from his spot…can handle multiple blockers and is no stranger to double-teams…versatile experience and has a scheme-diverse skill-set…tough and plays through pain.


    WEAKNESSES: Upright player and plays tall, making leverage a constant issue that will be tough to fix, struggling to sink and play with consistent knee bend…weight needs to be controlled with room to replace some bad pounds with bulk – sloppy midsection…not a technically sound player with an inconsistent plan…doesn’t play with gap integrity and focuses more on making stops than executing assignments…leaner and looks to cut corners…too content being blocked at times and loses sight of the ball…wears himself out and doesn’t show consistent fire in his belly from snap-to-snap – relentless hustler one snap and then a spectator the next few plays…below average career production with only 9.0 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks over 17 starts…worrisome durability concerns after missing most of the 2013 season because of back surgery (Oct. 2013) to repair chronic issues.


    SUMMARY: The rare fourth-year sophomore to declare early for the NFL, Phillips also has a rare skill-set with impressive movement skills for a player of his size and strength, showing rangy athleticism and brute power to be a dominant presence. Although he was asked primarily to one-gap in the Sooners multiple front, he does have experience two-gapping and is scheme versatile for the next level. Phillips has a natural anchor to attract-and-handle double-teams, but he’s not a player who loves doing the dirty work and needs to improve his discipline. Despite starting all 13 games in 2014, his long-term back durability is a strong concern and could keep him from reaching his full potential at the next level. Phillips has the NFL upside to be an impact player if the splash plays turn into consistency, but the effort and injury concerns makes him a high risk/reward prospect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pittstang5 View Post
    Eli Harold? Thoughts?
    Don't like Harold at all... very high cut guy - he'll be limited on the next level.
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    Butkus....I've had enough
    One time Lombardi was disgusted with the team in practice and told them they were going to have to start with the basics. He held up a ball and said: "This is a football." McGee immediately called out, "Stop, coach, you're going too fast," and that gave everyone a laugh.
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    Miami just got much tougher this offseason...

    Apparently they didn't get the memo - that this is a flag football league
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    How soon til the world ends?
    Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxie the Taxi View Post
    Butkus....I've had enough

    I can't get enough.....what football is all about.

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    How soon til the world ends?
    very soon

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    very soon

    True dat.

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