Who Should TT Draft At #33?

[Deputy Nutz]

Nutz's 2nd round prospects for the Green Bay Packers.
1. Chidobe Awuzi - CB - Colorado - He can provide help in the secondary at an position. He can play all over the field and is one of the most fluid defensive backs left in the draft. He has profiecent in every category but not a master in any at this point.

2. Kevin King - CB - Washington - he has the size and numbers that make scouts fall in love with him but he has very average film. He is a bigger boom bust pick than Awuzi and Wilson. He has the size to theoretically match up with taller receivers but plays soft in the run game.

3. Quincy Wilson - CB - Florida - has really good size and confidence in his abilities which you want in an outside corner. His forty time is a bit slower but he plays faster than his straight line speed would indicate. He might be a grabber at the next level with his physical play that he got away with in college.

4. Fabian Moreau - CB - UCLA - Thick build and has the height to compete at the next level. He has the speed to run with anyone in the NFL but has a tendency to play soft coverage and not attack receivers.

5. Zach Cunningham - LB - Vanderbilt - Consistent tackler in the middle. I wouldn't expect him to move outside and may not be a fit for a 3-4 linebacker where gap responsibility is key. He is better when he is let loose to make plays all over the field. He is a heck of a football player and as much as I would like to see a guy with his grit and attitude he might not be a prototypical ILB in a 3-4.

6. Tim Williams - LB - Alabama - Might be the most natural pass rusher in this draft but off the field problems make it unlikely for Green Bay to draft him. He has great burst off the snap and uses his speed and athleticism to get to the quarterback.

7. Tyus Bowser - OLB - Houston - good athlete that can rush the passer from the edge. He is a bit stiff in coverage but that sort of expected. He needs to get better with his hands and develop more skill as a pass rusher rather than just trying to beat blockers with speed and athleticism. The physical traits are there and he has the world at his finger tips but he is not a complete product and he will need development to be a legitimate pass rusher in the NFL.

8. Ahkello Witherspoon -CB - Colorado - This dude has more than prototypical size for a cornerback. He has the combine numbers and the size to play on the outside and to fight for the 50/50 balls. Really good athlete but needs skill building. Might not come in right away and earn a starting job which the Packers desperately need. He is way more than a project, but maybe less than starting material in 2017

[beveaux1]

if mixon goes tt should think about that other okla running back later. he's a big banger and that's something we don't have. the dude is the all-time okla rushing leader. now think about all the historic rushers they've had over the last 50 years.
nah. a list of rookie back-ups isn't interesting.

Perrine was the better running back at Oklahoma throughout his career there. Mixon was the 2nd choice. That being said, Perrine doesn't have Mixon's speed or pass catching abilities. He's a bruising, between the tackles runner without breakaway speed. He's Eddie Lacy, but slightly slower. He'll also be available in the 3rd or 4th round.

[Deputy Nutz]

Sorry Deputy. Idk if you were one of them. And i agree with needing defense. I'm just saying, making things easier for Aaron is a good, not a bad.

It wasn't me, but I also thinking having a sketchy cabinet with Starks and Lacy as your only running backs came back to haunt the Packers. Luckily Monty stepped up for them. The Packers are a team that wants to pass the ball 65% of the time. If you don't really invest in the running game what is the point in taking a running back high in the draft when you have so many holes on defense? At this point taking Cook or Mixon is a luxury the Packers don't have.

[gbgary]

Perrine was the better running back at Oklahoma throughout his career there. Mixon was the 2nd choice. That being said, Perrine doesn't have Mixon's speed or pass catching abilities. He's a bruising, between the tackles runner without breakaway speed. He's Eddie Lacy, but slightly slower. He'll also be available in the 3rd or 4th round.

exactly. he rushed for more yards than adrian peterson so he must have something. but as i said...we don't have that banger guy on the roster. there might be others out there...it was just a thought.

[beveaux1]

exactly. he rushed for more yards than adrian peterson so he must have something. but as i said...we don't have that banger guy on the roster. there might be others out there...it was just a thought.

I've been thinking he would be a "more likely" pick for the Packers than Mixon. Wouldn't surprise me if we drafted him.

[BZnDallas]

It wasn't me, but I also thinking having a sketchy cabinet with Starks and Lacy as your only running backs came back to haunt the Packers. Luckily Monty stepped up for them. The Packers are a team that wants to pass the ball 65% of the time. If you don't really invest in the running game what is the point in taking a running back high in the draft when you have so many holes on defense? At this point taking Cook or Mixon is a luxury the Packers don't have.

True. And with all of that Eddie Lacy won OROY. There are plenty of touches to give to a talented back.

[beveaux1]

There's a lot of talk about drafting best available player or position of need with our pick and, although I have no first hand knowledge of how a board would be prepared, I have a guess as to what goes into it.

My guess is that a player is given a number based on measurables and game film. He ends up with a number similar to the numbers shown on NFL.com. We'll say it's a 6.5 which is an excellent prospect. That number is then adjusted by the position that he plays, off field issues. and the positional need of the team.

In my example, that player is a QB who has not shown any off-field character issues. The 6.5 would be adjusted up 0.75 because he is a QB, no demerits for character, but because this is a position of strength for the team, he might be dropped 0.25 points, giving him a total score of 7.0.

If the player is a CB, the 6.5 would be adjusted upward by 0.5 points because of the overvalued CB position, no demerits for character, but because it is a position of need, it might be raised an additional 0.25 points, giving him a total score of 7.25

If the player is a RB with character issues, the 6.5 would get no increase because RB is not overvalued, he would receive a drop of 1 point for character issues, and because it is a position of need it would increase an additional 0.25 points, giving him a total score of 5.75.

The team would then place their board accordingly and would be able to say that they definitively chose the best player available. This is also the reason that "experts" are so often wrong about which prospect is drafted where. Each team puts more or less stock into character when giving a grade, and each teams' position of need is different. Some teams run a 4-3 which would overvalue a MLB and some run a 3-4 which has less pressing need for the ILB.

Based upon what I've seen in the past 8 or 9 years, ILB, G, and RB don't hold the same value for this team as T, CB, DL, WR, and OLB. QB is the most valuable position for all teams. I think this flavors the drafts and results in many more value position picks.

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sidney jones might also be in play in the second round

maybe the best cb in the draft, and on pace for a september return

[SMBASS]

Perrine was the better running back at Oklahoma throughout his career there. Mixon was the 2nd choice. That being said, Perrine doesn't have Mixon's speed or pass catching abilities. He's a bruising, between the tackles runner without breakaway speed. He's Eddie Lacy, but slightly slower. He'll also be available in the 3rd or 4th round.

I wouldn't mind seeing Perine taken in the 3rd or with the 1st pick in the 4th if we still have it and he's available. Eddie Lacy ran a 4.64 40 when he was in shape at the combine and Perine ran a 4.65 so he's not terribly slow. The guy is a bruiser and he looks pretty natural catching the ball even though he didn't do a lot of it. Eddie had good feet but Perine just looks quicker and more fluid than Eddie on his tape. Maybe I just got used to watching Phat Eddie lumbering down the field and running out of breath.

Try to block out the terrible music added to Perine's highlight video.

https://youtu.be/0-hxd55alKE

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It wasn't me, but I also thinking having a sketchy cabinet with Starks and Lacy as your only running backs came back to haunt the Packers. Luckily Monty stepped up for them. The Packers are a team that wants to pass the ball 65% of the time. If you don't really invest in the running game what is the point in taking a running back high in the draft when you have so many holes on defense? At this point taking Cook or Mixon is a luxury the Packers don't have.

exactly

a featured back is just a waste in fat mikes system. he has always talked about running the ball more, but it never happens

if we had laveon bell, we would still throw the ball twice as much as we run it. its just who we are

i said around a year ago, that i have no doubt eddy lacy will go to a team that will just keep feeding him the ball, and he'll put up massive numbers after leaving green bay

[bobblehead]

Put me down for this: Ted trades back again--5-7 spots. He then uses some of his gains to trade UP with our own 2nd. he gets 2 guys we all go " huh? " about.

[Fritz]

exactly

a featured back is just a waste in fat mikes system. he has always talked about running the ball more, but it never happens

if we had laveon bell, we would still throw the ball twice as much as we run it. its just who we are

i said around a year ago, that i have no doubt eddy lacy will go to a team that will just keep feeding him, and he'll put on massive weight after leaving green bay

FIFY

[George Cumby]

exactly

a featured back is just a waste in fat mikes system. he has always talked about running the ball more, but it never happens

if we had laveon bell, we would still throw the ball twice as much as we run it. its just who we are

i said around a year ago, that i have no doubt eddy lacy will go to a team that will just keep feeding him the ball, and he'll put up massive numbers after leaving green bay

If you mean his tab at Taco Bell, you're right.

[George Cumby]

how many heads are going to explode when he drafts Robinson?

[gbgary]

how many heads are going to explode when he drafts Robinson?

[woodbuck27]

Put me down for this: Ted trades back again--5-7 spots. He then uses some of his gains to trade UP with our own 2nd. he gets 2 guys we all go " huh? " about.

I also believe that TT will trade down again. He doesn't have 'the Stuff' to use that pick.

TT likes lots of play dough.

[woodbuck27]

Mixon, Kamara, even Cook...not a lot of difference to worry about. They are basically part of a committee back there with Monty anyway. My wife's a die-hard Florida State fan, so I've seen a lot of Cook. I don't understand his combine numbers. The guy is money...at least on the field. He's quick and can break tackles. Whether he's fast enough to win the edge in the NFL? I don't know. I do know that if I was TT I'd have a hard time passing him up.

That said, Kamara's the safe choice and the Pack seems to like "safe."

I have made up my mind. I want the guy that TT will pass on and he covers a huge need.:

RANK 2 (after day 1 of the Draft)

Dalvin Cook - RB ... Original rank: 25 | School: Florida State | Year: Junior.

Became Seminoles' all-time leading rusher in yards (4,464) and touchdowns (46) in just three seasons.

Exceptional vision as a runner, a trait Bill Parcells believes is the most important for a running back. Has strength and is tough. Plays fast. Good but not great hands, and some questions linger about his pass-protection skills.

Has had some off-field problems in past, but seems like a good kid when you meet him. Has had three shoulder surgeries since high school.

Dalvin Cook has too much talent to pass up here.

[pbmax]

RB is not a huge need.

[pbmax]

Jason Wilde‏ @jasonjwilde 31m31 minutes ago
So @AdamSchefter reports Chargers, Jets, Bucs calling about No. 33. @RobDemovsky says #Packers debating CB King vs. RB Cook. What do you do?

Rob Demovsky‏ @RobDemovsky 47m47 minutes ago
Cornerback Kevin King or running back Dalvin Cook. That's who the Packers are debating if they don't trade the... https://t.co/8gU7Va2nwL

Rob Demovsky‏ @RobDemovsky 4h4 hours ago
DeShone Kizer to Packers makes more sense as trade talk than pick https://t.co/HygzL5KepM

Jersey Al - GBP‏ @JerseyAlGBP 5m5 minutes ago
If the Packers take Dalvin Cook, it confirms my theory they plan to win SB in 2017 by being the highest scoring offense in NFL history.

[SMBASS]

Regarding RB I'm really starting to hope we get a shot at Perine in the late 3rd or with that 1st pick in the 4th.