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    Quote Originally Posted by red View Post
    first time since 1974 that the packers have drafted 3 rb's in one draft

    kinda smells of desperation, TT making damn sure he has a quality backup RB

    no way we keep 5 rb's on the final roster, but TT doesn't like cutting rookie draft picks
    Seventh round is a grab bag anyway. Hard to say you are picking anyone in the 7th for need. I agree they want to avoid the pitfall of the Crockett group, where none of the holdovers came through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by red View Post
    first time since 1974 that the packers have drafted 3 rb's in one draft

    kinda smells of desperation, TT making damn sure he has a quality backup RB

    no way we keep 5 rb's on the final roster, but TT doesn't like cutting rookie draft picks
    And everyone keeps leaving Devante Mays off the list! I think it's more likely that they carry 5 RBs (4+1FB) than 6WRs this year. I think they carried the extra WR last year hopping Janis would because the player they hopped, I'd be shocked if they kept him around again. OTOH Bush lasted how long?
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    Aside from Vince Biegel in the 4th round, did the Packers do anything else to address pass rush? I would have been more in favor of a second pass rusher in the draft vs. a third running back. Draft one less running back, get another pass rusher, wherever the player fits the pick, and pick up another free agent running back post draft. There is likely more free agent running back help to be found at this point than pass rush help.
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    Where there any real good EDGE guys we could have taken after the 4th round?

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    The Auburn guy was there but he had injury concerns with knee and hip issues

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    Pass rush and coverage feel like a chicken and egg scenario to me. Watch the Redskins game from last year. Cousins was holding the ball 3 seconds max. Most of the time it was 5 steps and fire and he had guys open all the time. Not much a pass rush can do. Maybe an improved secondary helps the pass rush more than we know right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zool View Post
    Pass rush and coverage feel like a chicken and egg scenario to me. Watch the Redskins game from last year. Cousins was holding the ball 3 seconds max. Most of the time it was 5 steps and fire and he had guys open all the time. Not much a pass rush can do. Maybe an improved secondary helps the pass rush more than we know right now.
    I wonder how many times during their struggles last season was the shitty play more about communications issues on defense vs. the physical limitations of the players on the field. If you don't know exactly where you are supposed to line up or where your responsibilities are supposed to take you as a young player, you can take false steps and get burned like a $2 steak.
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    Packers had no consistent pass rush and no coverage ability so it is really hard to place the blame on one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zool View Post
    Pass rush and coverage feel like a chicken and egg scenario to me. Watch the Redskins game from last year. Cousins was holding the ball 3 seconds max. Most of the time it was 5 steps and fire and he had guys open all the time. Not much a pass rush can do. Maybe an improved secondary helps the pass rush more than we know right now.
    that's when you go into press coverage. we don't do that for some reason...except once in a while they let gunter do it. when i say press i mean actually jam at the line, not just attempt to stay close.

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    The Packers pressure numbers were far better than their coverage numbers. Someone with a PFF subscription could post the pressure numbers, but no freely available info I have contradicts that. So concerns about pass rush are understandable, but they were a magnitude less significant than coverage problems last year.

    Press man is not for every CB. Wth a weak an injured backfield, they played a lot of zone after Shields went down and others got injured.
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    Not's not pretend that Thompson won't cut a draft pick. I doubt they keep 4 RBs over 6 WRs with the depth at WR. The three RBs are all late round picks, so it's not like they have three sure things and took the fourth guy. I think it's more likely they drafted the three hoping that two show something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by woodbuck27 View Post
    Round 4 and Pick NO. 1 ....Packers (From Browns) Biegel, Vince OLB 6'3" 246 Wisconsin 5.2

    One of the popular choices here. Sadly not the RB I hoped for Samaje Perine.
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    Late-Round Steals - Samaje Perine

    Let's start in Washington, where running back Samaje Perine was a fourth-round selection and could easily win the starting job over Robert Kelley next season.

    Perine was dynamic at Oklahoma, managing to rush for over 1,000 yards in every season there despite sharing the starting job with Joe Mixon. And he's a player the team apparently was high on, per Grant Paulsen of 106.7 The Fan:

    Grant Paulsen ✔ @granthpaulsen
    A #Redskins source told me pre-draft that Perine was the team's highest rated RB after Cook, Fournette and McCaffrey. They got their guy. ... 12:34 PM - 29 Apr 2017

    Brad Evans of Yahoo Sports likened him to a running back (Jordan Howard) who excelled in his rookie season:

    Brad Evans ✔ @YahooNoise
    Compare Samaje Perine to Jordan Howard. Washington may have just scored itself a seriously good RB on the cheap. Kelley on notice.
    12:40 PM - 29 Apr 2017

    Comment woodbuck27:

    It isn't often that there is a potential draft pick I hoped so much that TT would pick. At the top of Round 4 a lot of Media Experts on the NFL Network (take that for what it's worth)... but these people were calling for TT to go RB and 'No Brainer Pick' ... Samaje Perine.

    TT went local and 'D' and LBer Pass Rush Prospect (Vince Biegel) and soon after Perine came off the Board to Washington.

    I have this left. This man RB Samaje Perine will be a good watch for me in this upcoming season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pugger View Post
    Where there any real good EDGE guys we could have taken after the 4th round?
    YES. THERE WAS ONE

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    I don't understand the fascination of getting all hung up on certain players in the draft, especially one particular player. Perine was a decent prospect but so were 5 or 6 other running backs in his tier. I was surprised when Pittsburgh took James Connor in the third round but it was a good story and I think Connor has a high ceiling after coming back from Lymphoma, but who is to say that he is going to any better or worse than any other running back taken in this draft?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deputy Nutz View Post
    I don't understand the fascination of getting all hung up on certain players in the draft, especially one particular player. Perine was a decent prospect but so were 5 or 6 other running backs in his tier. I was surprised when Pittsburgh took James Connor in the third round but it was a good story and I think Connor has a high ceiling after coming back from Lymphoma, but who is to say that he is going to any better or worse than any other running back taken in this draft?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gbgary View Post
    i'll bet this is ted's last draft. he's painful to listen to speak. 64 but seems 84.
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