This seems the likely scenario. Why keep him on the roster to heal? He's not collecting checks right now anyway. I suppose he doesn't have access to team doctors right now, but if he's a pro, he can figure out how to rehab.Originally Posted by Joemailman
Uh, Craig, if the O Linemen are racing down field, aren't they less likely to hold out rushers for extra time? You're not gonna know in advance whether or not the other team has a return set up, so you have to prepare for the rush.
Are you sure about no "ineligible player downfield" penalty in college? I'm not sure, but I think you might be wrong about that.
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It's in the college rules, it's pretty well known. Players can leave right away.
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Yeah the running around style allows the coverage team to get downfield to cover in the college game but doesn't give the same advantage in the NFL. But the punting game has evolved - in fact is being transformed - from rugby/Australian Rules concepts...
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The effect was immediate and, without exaggeration, has turned punting strategy in the NFL upside down. Yet almost no one has noticed.That success sparked further attempts to devise unpredictable punts. One year later, Koch has roughly 10 distinctly different kicks in what the Ravens refer to as his "golf bag."The innovation has vaulted Koch to the top of the NFL's most credible punting statistics, including net yardage (44.41 this season) and Expected Points Added (0.42 per punt), but in a reflection of how few people understand punting, he has trailed in Pro Bowl fan balloting all season.You could count the visible modernizations on one hand. Coaches have pushed many punters to kick directionally, rather than simply booming it high and far. Rugby-style backward rotation has proliferated, and a few punters have experimented with kicks that knuckle."You try to get a read off where the punter's head is facing," Brown said. "However, when you have a guy who can point his head one way, and punt it the other way, that's a great skill.""My first eight years in the league were all just trying to get the ball as high as you can, as far as you can, get it to be as pretty as you can, and get it over to the sidelines. When you think about what we've done, you wonder, 'Why didn't anyone try this earlier? Why would you want to punt it to the returner if you didn't have to?'"Hook punt
One of two styles that Koch kicks with the "torque" technique. It can go toward the right or left sideline, is designed to go 43-47 gross yards and post a hang time between 4.5-4.7 seconds. If a returner does catch up to it, the torque and force of the kick makes it difficult to catch. It will fade back into the field and ultimately drop in the shape of an S.Liner punt
These also use the "torque" technique and can go right or left, but they are designed to go longer with a lower trajectory. They average between 47-50 gross yards with a hang time between 3.6-3.7 seconds. They are so low that often, when watching them from a wide view, the ball doesn't leave the screen. "The objective," Koch said, "is to keep it low, get it on the ground and get the coverage there before the returners can catch up."Knuckler
While many punters have a knuckler, Koch brings a more severe effect to his in context with the rest of his array. Rather than point toward the sideline, Koch has a "middle knuckler" punt that invites a returner to field it. "The objective here," Koch said, "is to try to get a turnover by trying to get him to catch the ball. It doesn't have to be far. As it comes down, it moves. You'll see some guys try to catch it, and some guys run away from it."Boomerang
This punt was under development during our early December visit to the Ravens' facility, but Koch broke it out during the Week 13 game against the Dolphins. "Depending on the wind," Koch said, "it will look like it's going straight at the returner, but then it'll boomerang and slowly start running away from him."And there have been the beginnings of copycat simulations. Rams punter Johnny Hekker has attempted a few, as has the Denver Broncos' Britton Colquitt. According to the Steelers' Brown, however, no one has pulled off a deception the way Koch originally did last season.Said Rosburg: "If they could do it the same way, they would be doing it now. It's not easy. As you get down the road, there will be more experimentation and you'll see more of it. But he's blazing a trail here. What he is doing, nobody else is doing it. They would if they could. They'll catch up eventually, but I don't think most players or coaches are real excited to put something out that hasn't been tested. They want to know before they use it, which I totally understand.""He is really going to have an influence as you see other guys try his stuff," Locke said. "To be honest, most guys wouldn't even have thought about doing the stuff he's done already. You've seen a little bit here or there. But this has really all come from Sam and it's come fast.
"I think we'll look back at this and say, 'Sam Koch changed the punting game.' I really do. That's how incredible this has been in our world."
I've always held that punters are a much more important component of a team's success than most people think. On a single play, and single-handedly (or single-footedly), a punter can cost a team twenty or thirty yards or gain his team twenty or thirty yards. If it's a game of field position, who has more control over that than your punter? On a punt, the center has to make a good snap, but the blockers have to hold the line for only a few seconds. The rest is on the punter. On a regular play from scrimmage, the blockers have to try to create specific holes for runners, or get downfield - a runner's success is much more dependent upon them. A quarterback can be brilliant and thread the needle, but he relies on his receiver to make the catch. The receiver relies on the QB to make a good throw. But if a punter gets a standard couple of seconds, it's all him.
So I like this Ravens' punter, and the fact that somebody in Baltimore understands the importance of the kicking game. Imagine how forward-thinking it is to try to use a punt as a way to generate a turnover. That's smart. Or that you could line-drive one past the returner so your guys can chase it down and down it sixty or seventy yards downfield.
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I generally like stats, but the relatively new trend of "deep stats" in the NFL leaves me cold. Expected points added. Sheesh. If I wanted crap like this I'd tailgate in front of H&R Block and cheer them filling out a 1040.The innovation has vaulted Koch to the top of the NFL's most credible punting statistics, including net yardage (44.41 this season) and Expected Points Added (0.42 per punt), but in a reflection of how few people understand punting, he has trailed in Pro Bowl fan balloting all season.
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I understand, but that particular one is pretty straightforward. If he is on your roster, he literally adds .42 points per game to the team's net points. So you can rank it and also use it to understand the specific level of strength (or weakness) of that unit.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Sam Koch is the modern day Ray Guy. The guy is a weapon.
The modern day ST coach wants his punter to have a quick, two step approach and quick it to the coverage area. That's why Jon Ryan stopped getting his mail in DePere. Our shitty ST coach insisted on both factors. Ryan would revert to a 3 step approach and boom 60 - 70 yarders, well outside "the zone". So they cut him and brought in a mediocre, but order-following kicker.
Soon, both of 'em, the punter and the coach were outta town.
That metric is .42 points per play, pbmax. If he's your punter you save 4.2 points over 10 punts compared to a bargain punter.
Good read. I am used to seeing the EPA for games, not plays.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
Lord knows his leg was loose in that Atlanta game.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
First off....4 BLATANT holds on that safety in the superbowl. I hate SF with a passion, but man the refs jobbed them. And as glad as I am that Kap got cheap shotted right by his endzone, it was a fine and a suspension all season long...but not a penalty in the big game.
As far as the rest goes. MM will employ a punter like this around 2022, after 29 other coaches come around.
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Yea, sorta like the hitter that loves to swing at the 3-0 pitch and has a .486 avg against it with great peripherals and the coach benches him because that is a "take" count.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
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