Official Non NFC North NFL News 2014 (Unofficial Johnny Manziel)

[bobblehead]

This is just a huge joke and blatant show of the double standard. Poor Jonathan Martin gets bullied by his OL and the world is coming to an end. Manziel is pushed around by the vets and the organization and its what he deserves. Tim Tebow can't land a tryout because he is a distraction (despite his winning at every level he ever played at...despite the fact that he is better than 90% of the backup QB's in the league), but Sams is gay and its a national production and they damn near run a reality show through TC because its a PC approved distraction.

Manziel is a scrambling QB who is likely to struggle until he learns the balance like all running QB's. Why does he need to be put in his place any more than Jonathan Martin or Andrew Luck? Why are his distractions bad, but Sams distractions are good for the game.

[Joemailman]

Manziel is a scrambling QB who is likely to struggle until he learns the balance like all running QB's. Why does he need to be put in his place any more than Jonathan Martin or Andrew Luck? Why are his distractions bad, but Sams distractions are good for the game.

Who is saying Sam's distractions are a good thing? He lasted until the 7th round probably because teams didn't want the distraction. The reality show has been cancelled in response to criticism that doing the show was inconsistent with Sam's claim that he is totally focused on football.

[bobblehead]

Who is saying Sam's distractions are a good thing? He lasted until the 7th round probably because teams didn't want the distraction. The reality show has been cancelled in response to criticism that doing the show was inconsistent with Sam's claim that he is totally focused on football.

Has anyone dared to say he is a distraction who teams shouldn't want around? Has anyone dared to say he should learn his place...be seen and not heard? Has anyone dared say one bad thing about a 7th rounder getting a mountain of attention? But mainly, he lasted until the 7th round because he lacks talent. I firmly believe he was only drafted because the NFL REALLY wanted him to be so all the "questions" wouldn't be raised. I would be willing to bet that all the Rams compensatory picks seem a tad high next year....yea, yea, me and colt, brothers in conspiracy theories.

[Joemailman]

Has anyone dared to say he is a distraction who teams shouldn't want around? Has anyone dared to say he should learn his place...be seen and not heard? Has anyone dared say one bad thing about a 7th rounder getting a mountain of attention? But mainly, he lasted until the 7th round because he lacks talent. I firmly believe he was only drafted because the NFL REALLY wanted him to be so all the "questions" wouldn't be raised. I would be willing to bet that all the Rams compensatory picks seem a tad high next year....yea, yea, me and colt, brothers in conspiracy theories.

He was considered to be a 4-5 round pick based on his talent. I think he lasted until the 7th round because a lot of teams didn't want the distraction, and the possible stress on the culture in the locker room. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[smuggler]

He was considered to be a 4-5 round pick based on his talent. I think he lasted until the 7th round because a lot of teams didn't want the distraction, and the possible stress on the culture in the locker room. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

He was considered a 3-4 before the combine, where he performed poorly. People expected his lack of physical ability to drop him only a round or so, but it put him down three full rounds.

Meanwhile, a guy named Jackson Jeffcoat, almost as productive in college, more physically gifted, and less "media circus," went undrafted entirely. Go figure.

[3irty1]

He was considered a 3-4 before the combine, where he performed poorly. People expected his lack of physical ability to drop him only a round or so, but it put him down three full rounds.

Meanwhile, a guy named Jackson Jeffcoat, almost as productive in college, more physically gifted, and less "media circus," went undrafted entirely. Go figure.

Jeffcoat is also the son of Jim Jeffcoat formerly of the Dallas Cowboys so add NFL pedigree to his resume. He must be quite the paper tiger because he was waved today by the Seahawks.

[Zool]

He was considered to be a 4-5 round pick based on his talent. I think he lasted until the 7th round because a lot of teams didn't want the distraction, and the possible stress on the culture in the locker room. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

SEC defensive player of the year (finalist?) in any other year would get a 4-5 round sniff from someone. He fell because of the pending media circus. Media puts up what sells. If we stop clicking, watching, etc. they will stop putting it on TV. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

[MadScientist]

SEC defensive player of the year (finalist?) in any other year would get a 4-5 round sniff from someone. He fell because of the pending media circus. Media puts up what sells. If we stop clicking, watching, etc. they will stop putting it on TV. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

He had a bad senior bowl week before the bad combine as well. Football outsiders did a statistical analysis / projection of all pass rushers (DE/OLB) and Sam came out dead last. You can bet that if some outside site is doing projections, teams are doing similar analysis and coming up with similar results. The SEC DPOY may have given him a 6th round sniff without the circus, but anything higher would have been a reach.

[Guiness]

He had a bad senior bowl week before the bad combine as well. Football outsiders did a statistical analysis / projection of all pass rushers (DE/OLB) and Sam came out dead last. You can bet that if some outside site is doing projections, teams are doing similar analysis and coming up with similar results. The SEC DPOY may have given him a 6th round sniff without the circus, but anything higher would have been a reach.

Yup, this is the way I see it too. Appeared at first to be a mid round talent, but laid an egg when it mattered, and hurt his draft position. The combine can make a huge difference, and the senior bowl is closely watched. He's undersized for an 4-3 DE, and for an OLB his combine numbers are awful.

Who knows, maybe he was distracted??? No doubt he was as preoccupied as hell with the going ons, and maybe the Rams landed themselves an unlikely sleeper, one that everyone was watching closely.

[mraynrand]

SEC defensive player of the year (finalist?) in any other year would get a 4-5 round sniff from someone. He fell because of the pending media circus. Media puts up what sells. If we stop clicking, watching, etc. they will stop putting it on TV. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

Maybe the media circus would be good for NFL ratings, like it was for Tebow. Maybe not so much for the individual teams, but the NFL likes the attention. Perhaps it's a case where you can have your cake but can't tongue slather it on your lover's face too.

[woodbuck27]

SEC defensive player of the year (finalist?) in any other year would get a 4-5 round sniff from someone. He fell because of the pending media circus. Media puts up what sells. If we stop clicking, watching, etc. they will stop putting it on TV. We have no one to blame but ourselves.

I think so too.

The day after the draft all the talk on NFL.Com was the Rams and embracing Sam as a defensive prospect and with the cenral theme of his unique NFL status related to his sexual preference.

It should be all of that and why? Who really cares?

So finally one of the NFL's Gay players finally outs himself and before he's drafted.

Tell me that wasn't all worked out in some detail. What's reality anymore?

Reality is 'the unreal" taking center stage.

Excuse me but I need a toasted cheese and a glass of homo milk.

[mraynrand]

Excuse me but I need a toasted cheese and a glass of homo milk.

good lord

[bobblehead]

He was considered to be a 4-5 round pick based on his talent. I think he lasted until the 7th round because a lot of teams didn't want the distraction, and the possible stress on the culture in the locker room. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

I think he lasted because his combine stunk on ice. He isn't that talented and I will actually be surprised if he makes the team.

[pbmax]

...Tebow...

Manziel is a scrambling QB who is likely to struggle until he learns the balance like all running QB's. Why does he need to be put in his place any more than Jonathan Martin or Andrew Luck? Why are his distractions bad, but Sams distractions are good for the game.

Some, not all, national guys (radio mostly) have been taking the opposite tack. They think the reality show was a catastrophe waiting to happen in vague but near certain terms.

However, two of these guys have advocated that Tebow should be in Jacksonville and Manziel was the obvious choice for Cleveland and they should let Johnny be Johnny. Some distractions and business bottom line considerations are allowed to intrude on football.

Which begs the question, would the Rams have though better of the show if they were getting a cut?

[bobblehead]

Some, not all, national guys (radio mostly) have been taking the opposite tack. They think the reality show was a catastrophe waiting to happen in vague but near certain terms.

However, two of these guys have advocated that Tebow should be in Jacksonville and Manziel was the obvious choice for Cleveland and they should let Johnny be Johnny. Some distractions and business bottom line considerations are allowed to intrude on football.

Which begs the question, would the Rams have though better of the show if they were getting a cut?

I guess my gripe is with the national "non football" media that is injecting itself into football. And I risk another warning about mixing politics and football. Sams is a hero to the left wing media. Vick deserved a second chance. Oil billionaire heir Jonny Football is a dick. Tebow is the worst kind of person. You don't see oprah, or anyone else asking why Tebow can't even land a backup contract. Its not like he is Jonny Jolly, Colt Lyerla, or Ray fucking Lewis...he is *gasp* a christian. I'm a fricking agnostic and I'm appalled by the way this kid is being treated. The media started a story line about inaccuracy, ignored his winning record, ignored him bumping off the defending superbowl champs, and basically let the NFL know that it would be a circus if anyone gave him a chance. Where is the story line about Michael Vick not learning what a hot read is in 14 (or whatever) seasons?

[pbmax]

I guess my gripe is with the national "non football" media that is injecting itself into football.

There is too much here to respond to, but I have yet to see media complain about Manziel's grandfather's oil business. Football people moaning about his sense of entitlement (most of which was presumed before they met him) have been all over since the start of his sophomore season. I have seen stories about the strange nature of Manziel's family, but about the effect of wealth, not the oil business.

Non-football media injecting themselves into football matters often look dumb. While they may have something to say about the social significance of the signing, they know little about the motivations or needs of teams. Every round he dropped was evidence of conspiracy to some.

It should be noted Tebow had a Super Bowl commercial with Mom while Sam has stopped his reality show. Who is zooming who here?

And of the left I know about, most wanted Vick banned for life for abusing animals, not given a second chance. The constituencies for his second chance were mostly football clubs who weren't the Atlanta Falcons.

[mraynrand]

It should be noted Tebow had a Super Bowl commercial with Mom while Sam has stopped his reality show. Who is zooming who here?

Whoa! A football player made a commercial? Stop the presses! Oh, THE HUMANITY!!!



I'm sorry, I may have missed it - did the Tebows shoot that under false pretenses at the draft?

[pbmax]

Whoa! A football player made a commercial? Stop the presses! Oh, THE HUMANITY!!!



I'm sorry, I may have missed it - did the Tebows shoot that under false pretenses at the draft?

A college player made a commercial prior to getting drafted. A first prior to the NFL, that I can recall. But both are the exact type of attention grabbing events that the NFL abhors because it doesn't and can't control them.

Predictably, it had many of the same chattering NFL people wondering if he was already demonstrating the chaos that might follow.

They are far more similar than dissimilar from the NFL's perspective.

[woodbuck27]

This is just a huge joke and blatant show of the double standard. Poor Jonathan Martin gets bullied by his OL and the world is coming to an end. Manziel is pushed around by the vets and the organization and its what he deserves. Tim Tebow can't land a tryout because he is a distraction (despite his winning at every level he ever played at...despite the fact that he is better than 90% of the backup QB's in the league), but Sams is gay and its a national production and they damn near run a reality show through TC because its a PC approved distraction.

Manziel is a scrambling QB who is likely to struggle until he learns the balance like all running QB's. Why does he need to be put in his place any more than Jonathan Martin or Andrew Luck? Why are his distractions bad, but Sams distractions are good for the game.

It's all about the value to the media or what's most topical and that $$$$$ sells $$$$$.

In this day and age it's over the top backwards.

Good is OK and bad is better. If it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to a normal intelligent moral decent living person. No matter as it's topical and all the press's attention is directed there.

So what do we do about the bullshit?

It's getting harder and harder to ignore as that means that it's winning/dominating in the negative.