Aaron Jones Being Released

[run pMc]

I think things were leaked from both sides to control the narrative. I suspect it was Jones' agent, not Jones himself. GB also stated they wanted him to take a pay cut in half, but they didn't mention that a big chunk was in incentives.
Ultimately, it's just negotiating that got public. It's just seeing how the sausage is made.

I do wonder what changed from Gute saying he "absolutely" wanted Jones back to him being released... unless it was unspoken and assumed that Gute "absolutely" wanted Jones back at a specific price point.

And the timing on the Jacobs signing doesn't really impact things from what I've heard. They asked Jones to take the pay cut first, and when he said no they moved on to sign Jacobs.
If you ask a player to take a cut and they say no, you either cut them or risk every player thinking it's a bluff and calling you on it.

[ThunderDan]

I think things were leaked from both sides to control the narrative. I suspect it was Jones' agent, not Jones himself. GB also stated they wanted him to take a pay cut in half, but they didn't mention that a big chunk was in incentives.
Ultimately, it's just negotiating that got public. It's just seeing how the sausage is made.

I do wonder what changed from Gute saying he "absolutely" wanted Jones back to him being released... unless it was unspoken and assumed that Gute "absolutely" wanted Jones back at a specific price point.

And the timing on the Jacobs signing doesn't really impact things from what I've heard. They asked Jones to take the pay cut first, and when he said no they moved on to sign Jacobs.
If you ask a player to take a cut and they say no, you either cut them or risk every player thinking it's a bluff and calling you on it.

Having an ex-NFL player as a client, I agree with all of this.

Our client signed a nice 2nd contract. Had a down year and the club came back asking for a paycut or be cut. Funny his agent wasn't anywhere to be found when the team wanted him to take a paycut but was there every step of the way for the 2nd contract signing.

Our client bet on himself, got cut and signed a 1 year deal with another team. He played well and got a good 3rd contract that lasted until he retired.

[Patler]

Having an ex-NFL player as a client, I agree with all of this.

Our client signed a nice 2nd contract. Had a down year and the club came back asking for a paycut or be cut. Funny his agent wasn't anywhere to be found when the team wanted him to take a paycut but was there every step of the way for the 2nd contract signing.

Our client bet on himself, got cut and signed a 1 year deal with another team. He played well and got a good 3rd contract that lasted until he retired.

There are also pro athletes who take a complete hands-off approach, leaving everything up to agents and advisors for negotiations. They don't even want to know the give-and-take that goes on, just having final approval on the best deal his people think they can get.

Leaks, lies and exaggerations often come from the agents, not the players directly; or from the players "inner circle" or as we have often seen, family members who may or may not know the facts.

[bobblehead]

There are also pro athletes who take a complete hands-off approach, leaving everything up to agents and advisors for negotiations. They don't even want to know the give-and-take that goes on, just having final approval on the best deal his people think they can get.

Leaks, lies and exaggerations often come from the agents, not the players directly; or from the players "inner circle" or as we have often seen, family members who may or may not know the facts.

Are you telling me that Greg Jennings sister didn't understand offensive schemes better than Rodgers did?? The hell you say.

[Fritz]

Are you telling me that Greg Jennings sister didn't understand offensive schemes better than Rodgers did?? The hell you say.

Two things, Bobble. Let me edumucate you. First, as far as meeting celebrities, the key is that we generally meet them once. I love that Terrell Owens was cool, and all power to him. But Jeter - maybe he had a hemmhoroid that day, or he just found out his mom was having an affair with his best friend; I don't know. Or maybe he IS an asshole. I have no idea. But meeting someone once - it's maybe not a good idea to judge that, although I agree with your implicit assumption that celebrities KNOW this and really ought to be on their best behavior with the public. But they're human. And like I said, Derek Jeter may well be an asshole. Your perception might be right.

But on to my bigger point: it is a little know FACT that Greg Jennings's sister is, in fact, Aaron Rodgers. Don't aks me how I know that; just know it's true. So yes, Greg Jennings's sister does understand offensive schemes, not better than Aaron Rodgers, but just as well.

[red]

Two things, Bobble. Let me edumucate you. First, as far as meeting celebrities, the key is that we generally meet them once. I love that Terrell Owens was cool, and all power to him. But Jeter - maybe he had a hemmhoroid that day, or he just found out his mom was having an affair with his best friend; I don't know. Or maybe he IS an asshole. I have no idea. But meeting someone once - it's maybe not a good idea to judge that, although I agree with your implicit assumption that celebrities KNOW this and really ought to be on their best behavior with the public. But they're human. And like I said, Derek Jeter may well be an asshole. Your perception might be right.

But on to my bigger point: it is a little know FACT that Greg Jennings's sister is, in fact, Aaron Rodgers. Don't aks me how I know that; just know it's true. So yes, Greg Jennings's sister does understand offensive schemes, not better than Aaron Rodgers, but just as well.

i've never liked jeter ever since he gave jessica alba herpes

prick

[Fritz]

i've never liked jeter ever since he gave jessica alba herpes

prick

Oh.

Okay, so he's a diseased dick.

And Bobble was right.

[Frozen Tundra]

I do wonder what changed from Gute saying he "absolutely" wanted Jones back to him being released... unless it was unspoken and assumed that Gute "absolutely" wanted Jones back at a specific price point.

Who says anything changed? Language like "I absolutely want Jones back this year", or "I absolutely expect Jones back this year", is totally meaningless. It's ambiguous, completely noncomittal "GM speak" for "he may be back, he may not, too early to make any promises". I think it's just implied that it would entirely depend on how negotiations went, because everyone knew that he would be asked to restructure.

Gutekunst may be a lot of things, but he's no fool. He knows how to speak the language. He knew damned well that in a couple of weeks he was going to ask Jones to take a huge pay cut, and he's not dumb enough to think Jones was just going to take it without (at best) some serious pushback. And he's smart enough to know there was a good chance Jones would refuse it altogether. Saying things like "we really want Aaron back, we love him, Aaron's the heart and soul of our team, we definitely expect him back" makes the fans happy because they think the team is committed to keeping him, and then when the negotiations go bad and he gets released, Gutekunst looks like hey, at least he really tried. Not his fault. It just didn't work out.