Official Packers vs. Seahawks Discussion Thread

[Pugger]

Almost every one of the self anointed "experts" is picking Seattle to win - http://nflpickwatch.com/ - the only exception is some shmo from Bleacher Report. Bleacher Report doesn't have the mojo to disrupt the karmic reality.

Packers are a virtual lock to win tonight.

The main reason most are picking the seachickens is because they all think our defense will be the same mess we had last year. It is inconceivable to them that our D could get any better. On other forums with fans of all teams only Packer fans give us much of a chance and when we do we're called hopeless homers. I hope we surprise a few people tonight.

[wist43]

The main reason most are picking the seachickens is because they all think our defense will be the same mess we had last year. It is inconceivable to them that our D could get any better. On other forums with fans of all teams only Packer fans give us much of a chance and when we do we're called hopeless homers. I hope we surprise a few people tonight.

I think we'll be better against the pass. Clinton-Dix is an upgrade, and Hyde, et al have a year of experience under their belts; but...

We were absolutely pathetic against the run last year, and if anything we'll probably be worse... especially considering that dunderdummy doesn't care that much about stopping the run.

Overall, I think we'll be better, but that's not saying much... we were one of the worst defenses in the league last year. We have the talent to be good, but of course the devil himself is our DC...

[3irty1]

The main reason most are picking the seachickens is because they all think our defense will be the same mess we had last year. It is inconceivable to them that our D could get any better. On other forums with fans of all teams only Packer fans give us much of a chance and when we do we're called hopeless homers. I hope we surprise a few people tonight.

Even most Packer fans have a selective memory about our defenses. In 2011 the defense was a turnover machine, gave up a million yards but still wasn't a bottom 10 in points despite an elite offense forcing teams into desperate passing situations all season. 2012 we were actually the 11th best defense in spite of injuries which is overshadowed by the spanking they took in the 49ers game. Even last year the defense started out excellent which just gave them further to fall once the wheels came off.

If the law-of-averages is real and curses are not, a top 10 defense is a reasonable prediction. They have the talent to be top 5, and the history where nobody would be surprised by bottom 5. The thing with these Capers D's has been that once they break, they BREAK.

[call_me_ishmael]

Even most Packer fans have a selective memory about our defenses. In 2011 the defense was a turnover machine, gave up a million yards but still wasn't a bottom 10 in points despite an elite offense forcing teams into desperate passing situations all season. 2012 we were actually the 11th best defense in spite of injuries which is overshadowed by the spanking they took in the 49ers game. Even last year the defense started out excellent which just gave them further to fall once the wheels came off.

If the law-of-averages is real and curses are not, a top 10 defense is a reasonable prediction. They have the talent to be top 5, and the history where nobody would be surprised by bottom 5. The thing with these Capers D's has been that once they break, they BREAK.

Talent to be top 5? They have the worst (or at least most unproven) DL in the NFL. They have the worst pair of ILBs in the league. Boy, I don't know about that one... There safety position is very unsettled. At DB I agree they have a top 5 staff.

I would rate the position groups like this:

DL - Bottom 5
ILB - Bottom 5
OLB - Top 5
CB - Top 5
S - 15-20

I don't see a top 10 D there unfortunately.

[3irty1]

Talent to be top 5? They have the worst (or at least most unproven) DL in the NFL. They have the worst pair of ILBs in the league. Boy, I don't know about that one... There safety position is very unsettled. At DB I agree they have a top 5 staff.

I would rate the position groups like this:

DL - Bottom 5
ILB - Bottom 5
OLB - Top 5
CB - Top 5
S - 15-20

I don't see a top 10 D there unfortunately.

I see a team built to stop the pass exceptionally well combined with an offense that's going to demand shootouts to beat. That should make them better than the sum of their parts. Look at New Orleans last year, they sucked against the run but were still a top 4 defense following the same recipe.

[Bossman641]

I see a team built to stop the pass exceptionally well combined with an offense that's going to demand shootouts to beat. That should make them better than the sum of their parts. Look at New Orleans last year, they sucked against the run but were still a top 4 defense following the same recipe.

Exactly

Run D is a huge unknown at this point but I think we have a nice stable of pass rushers and secondary talent.

Regarding the official game thread, do preseason wins carry over to the regular season? If so, shouldn't the topic starter of the KC game start the thread?

[Zool]

Regarding the official game thread, do preseason wins carry over to the regular season? If so, shouldn't the topic starter of the KC game start the thread?

I believe the preseason carries over, but I'm not 100%. Mad started the KC game thread and I have made a separate thread calling him out. Will he see it in time? Will we buck protocol to get it started so Cap'n can get his post in? Anyone have Mad's phone number?

[pittstang5]

I believe the preseason carries over, but I'm not 100%. Mad started the KC game thread and I have made a separate thread calling him out. Will he see it in time? Will we buck protocol to get it started so Cap'n can get his post in? Anyone have Mad's phone number?

We do have a dilemma though. Red Started the St. Louis and Oakland game threads and Packers won. Mad started the KC game thread and Packers won. We're already out of whack, so I don't think it'll matter who starts this one.

[wist43]

Seattle cops will be in the stands dressed as Packer fans... they're pretty obvious though

[call_me_ishmael]

I see a team built to stop the pass exceptionally well combined with an offense that's going to demand shootouts to beat. That should make them better than the sum of their parts. Look at New Orleans last year, they sucked against the run but were still a top 4 defense following the same recipe.

DL - Bottom 5
ILB - Bottom 5
OLB - Top 5
CB - Top 5
S - 15-20

Didn't realize the OL would be so awful, though. Seattle is just so insanely fast and well-coached. They run blitz every damn play it seems. We look so old fashioned compared to them.

MM did not adjust the O despite ZERO running game (Did Lacey even have positive yardage?????) and no time. Why not run some quick slants instead of the damn screen pass that never works?

You cannot give up 9 yards a carry to Marshawn and expect to win.

The DL is the worst in the NFL. No question.

[denverYooper]

The main reason most are picking the seachickens is because they all think our defense will be the same mess we had last year. It is inconceivable to them that our D could get any better. On other forums with fans of all teams only Packer fans give us much of a chance and when we do we're called hopeless homers. I hope we surprise a few people tonight.

Until about the 5th game, most people make their predictions based on what a team was the previous year. There's always a 4 game burn-in for a team due to many factors -- new players, new plays, injuries, etc.

I like the spot the Packers are in right now... they're the dangerous underdogs, always mentioned as "in the conversation" but not the big sexy pick. The popular choices this year seem to be Philly and New Orleans so far.