If no one in the NFL cares, then it's a non-issue isn't it? The problem is the activists pushing the agenda. We could go the next 100 years and not have to know who sleeps with whom. Like Dennis Miller said, I need a gay free day. It's all too much.
If no one in the NFL cares, then it's a non-issue isn't it? The problem is the activists pushing the agenda. We could go the next 100 years and not have to know who sleeps with whom. Like Dennis Miller said, I need a gay free day. It's all too much.
Lombardi told Starr to "Run it, and let's get the hell out of here!" - 'Ice Bowl' December 31, 1967
Unfortunately, all the evidence is on the other side. Clearly the NFL member teams care, because no current player is out and no team signed either player in the article. If NFL teams can convince themselves they don't want Tebow because of distractions, this would easily fit in the same rationale, regardless of actual motive.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
You got so much right there it's hard to follow up.
I'll just comment on the Bleacher Report title - 'inside story'? lol I guess this is what passes for journalism at that sight (for sore eyes). They didn't talk to the player or even know who he is, didn't talk to the team(s) that walked away and don't know who they are, and have a list of 5 possible reasons but they have no actual idea which, if any, of those is the right one. Officials from other teams told BR why the signing didn't happen - then they talked about Jackie Robinson and Jason Collins - now that's hard hitting journalism!
I know Woody, you read BR and this article did touch on a good subject, one I was wondering about after the reports this spring. But damn they drive me nuts!
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Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
Here's some dope on the author of the article this thread Guiness or Mike Freeman.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Freeman_(columnist)
I don't 'just read' BR Guiness. I read a lot of shit on NFL football.
I posted this thread because I somehow stumbled on the Article RE: this thread and felt it would inform the forum on a HOT topic. A topic that by far shouldn't be HOT in this day and age. Is there anything and this issue related to the Miami Dolphins and the very HOT case of the Dolphins draft pick OT Johnathan Martin?
Good Lord.
Is football that manly!? The advertizers of NFL apparel are busting their ass's and blowing my mind with their silly commercials to peddle their womans line of NFL apparel. I'm wondering ... Does that include small panties? Am I even allowed to wonder that?
I'm so sick of that latest commercial....that runs over and over and over again.
Ohh Dear !
" Uptight !? .... Everything is all right."
That line from a song is playing in my head right now. Phil Collins is singing it.
For anyone who considers themselves homophobic. May I recommend the excellent HBO drama series of five seasons entitled 'SIX FEET UNDER'. Watching that series did wonders to assist me in dealing with my homophobia. Reference Michael C. Hall's character GAY Funeral Dierector David Fisher, the middle child in that Fisher family.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Feet_Under_(TV_series)
Yea the same Michael C. Hall that plays DEXTER ... Our beloved serial killer.
Michael C. Hall ROCKS as an actor.
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http://sandrarose.com/2013/11/gay-nf...e-to-bullying/
Gay NFL Player Leaves Miami Dolphins Due to Bullying
Friday, November 1, 2013
" While the team avoided questions about the abusive relationship between Martin and some of his teammates, other team sources reveal Martin left because he is gay and his teammates don’t like him.
If Martin really is gay, the behavior of his teammates is an indicator of the NFL’s intolerance of gay players in the locker room."
Comment woodbuck27:
Is there any reality here and the HOT story now in the NFL and OT Johnathan Martin Vs whomever/whatever? Is this really about his sexual choice?
In this day and age I can hardly believe it if that's the case.
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** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
Well sure they can convince themselves of it, just like they convince themselves of reasons to not have players who are overly vocal about politics or many other things. They have 60+ players to bring into harmony under difficult, pressure filled conditions, within relatively confined areas. Unless a player is uniquely talented, why take the player with a lot of extra baggage?
They need a player who is a solid player and says; "By the way, I'm gay." and then goes about his business as a football player. It will be next to impossible to break the ice with a guy who says, "I'M GAY!! and , oh, by the way, I play football."
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Well, this is almost a self enclosed lockout. The best players, the ones the teams would HAVE to accept or would be crazy to not sign as FA, have too much outside income to risk coming out first. You could never say it won't happen, but I think the incentives are strong to stay hidden.
So almost inevitably, the first out player will be more pedestrian, like Jason Collins was in basketball. Veterans with less to risk but very willing to continue their careers if possible. That player, by definition, is fungible. And can be replaced by a number of non-out or straight alternatives every year. A team has to want to do this because unlike the color barrier, there is no long term advantage accrued for going first.
Given the strong current (and successful) incentive to stay closeted, I am not sure how a team can judge accurately how the player might react to the inevitable publicity. A player choosing to do this is obviously thinking about more than football. But that is true of any barrier that is broken. Its also true of every player in the League who worries about their next contract. Teams do relinquish rights to these players to avoid distractions, but they also take the risk to sign them.
Employing closeted homosexual players and avoiding open ones is just dishonest and cowardly.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.
I disagree with your premise. There is a large class of players who fall between the "best players, the ones the teams would HAVE to accept or would be crazy to not sign as FA" and those who are totally fungible".
The error they are making is waiting until they are FAs to come out. A starter who recently signed a moderate extension should be the first to do it, and without great fanfare. Teams are full of those kinds of players, and I suspect some are gay.
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** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
" Woody that is a pretty modern opinion for such an old fart! " Upnorth
Upon examination I feel I've been complimented. Thanks Upnorth.
I was referred back to this thread by Patler RE: Did Rodgers flirt with pro sports immortality last summer? thread started - Dec. 31, 2013.
This thread:
It's a rather calm and open and may I use the word 'liberal' discussion of the matter/topic.
GO PACKERS ....GO PACK GO !
** Since 2006 3 X Pro Pickem' Champion; 4 X Runner-Up and 3 X 3rd place.
** To download Jesus Loves Me ring tones, you'll need a cell phone mame
** If God doesn't fish, play poker or pull for " the Packers ", exactly what does HE do with his buds?
** Rather than love, money or fame - give me TRUTH: Henry D. Thoreau
There is certainly logic to that approach from a financial aspect in the immediate term. But I doubt the player sees it that way. I think they view coming out as a risk, to both the current and future contracts. To them it would also be a risk with teammates and coaches to drop that after signing. I suspect some teams in the article passed on the entire possibility just to avoid the issue. To have it dropped in their lap after a signing likely will not go over well. Some will see the logic, others will see duplicity.
I think the likeliest candidates will be older and wanting to start afresh, on honest terms, with a new deal (probably what they view as the last deal) so there is no surprise and some announced support from within the organization.
Bud Adams told me the franchise he admired the most was the Kansas City Chiefs. Then he asked for more hookers and blow.