Thoughts On HC Mike McCarthy's Purge Of Packer Coaches. What makes any sense?

[Fritz]

I don't think it's "valid". While I liked Edgar Bennett as a player MM offered him different "jobs" as both RB and WR coach and then PROMOTED HIM to a job that to be honest I was never convinced he WAS qualified for. He did a lot for "Bennett." And if he removed him as OC he has that right. And going back to PHILBIN was a no brainer. It's a head coached job to evaluate his staff. And I don't think he's a "horrible person" to concluded THEY ARE NOT DOING A GOOD ENOUGH job. I have a hard time using that logic against any HEAD COACH.


And for the record....I can certainly agree with anybody who wants to light up MM for being too loyal/overestimating/not preparing Huntley to replace Rodgers. MM is not w/o fault; he has plenty

But I don't think he's a terrible human being, and I don't think the numbers lead to him being a horrible head coach

Bretsky, if you're going to go toe-to-toe with Woody, you've got to learn the style. I tried to help you out above.

For the record, I'm in the unusual and slightly awkward position of agreeing in part with Woodbuck and Anti-Polar. It's the bit you wrote about MM not having Hundley ready. The guy sat and watched and trained for the very moment into which he was thrust, and he simply pooped the bed. Like, diarrhea-splattered the bed.

MM's calling card is his work with QB's. That is his foundation for the claim he's a fine head coach - as others pointed out above, he gets a lot of credit for helping Rodgers develop into the All-World QB that he is.

So for me, the fact that MM didn't have Hundley ready, and couldn't figure out a good game plan to use for Hundley ("we're going to run a lot . . . no, wait, we're going to put the game on Hundley's arm") is a serious, serious indictment.

He had TWO YEARS. QB school or no, he said over and over that Hundley was his guy, and obviously Hundley was his guy for the very situation into which he was put. This was no Seneca Wallace story; MM put his money on and his time into Hundley. And Hundley was bad, in an epic way.

To me, MM is becoming increasingly arrogant yet does not have the results with Hundley to back it up. And he's becoming more public about his arrogance, which is the real sin here.

[Cobra Kai]

To me, MM is becoming increasingly arrogant yet does not have the results with Hundley to back it up. And he's becoming more public about his arrogance, which is the real sin here.

case and point... "Let's state the facts, I'm a highly successful NFL coach"

I'd bet any money that the only reason MM reports directly to Murphy now is to stroke his big fat giant ego. No doubt that whenever MM leaves or gets the boot, BG or whomever is GM then will have full control over the next coach.

[KYPack]

Bretsky, if you're going to go toe-to-toe with Woody, you've got to learn the style. I tried to help you out above.

For the record, I'm in the unusual and slightly awkward position of agreeing in part with Woodbuck and Anti-Polar. It's the bit you wrote about MM not having Hundley ready. The guy sat and watched and trained for the very moment into which he was thrust, and he simply pooped the bed. Like, diarrhea-splattered the bed.

MM's calling card is his work with QB's. That is his foundation for the claim he's a fine head coach - as others pointed out above, he gets a lot of credit for helping Rodgers develop into the All-World QB that he is.

So for me, the fact that MM didn't have Hundley ready, and couldn't figure out a good game plan to use for Hundley ("we're going to run a lot . . . no, wait, we're going to put the game on Hundley's arm") is a serious, serious indictment.

He had TWO YEARS. QB school or no, he said over and over that Hundley was his guy, and obviously Hundley was his guy for the very situation into which he was put. This was no Seneca Wallace story; MM put his money on and his time into Hundley. And Hundley was bad, in an epic way.

To me, MM is becoming increasingly arrogant yet does not have the results with Hundley to back it up. And he's becoming more public about his arrogance, which is the real sin here.

Times a thousand.

MM mismanaged this whole Hundley deal to the max. The biggest beef I had was his gameplan for Hundley. His plays were cut to the bone. If you are gonna play a guy, play him. MM has to take the blame for this whole debacle. He gave Hundley the backup spot, it was a key job. Big Mac must've seen the flaws in Brett 2's game. He screwed this up on his watch.

All that said, Are all you guys going to insist that they can McCarthy, like, NOW?

Have the Goot hire a new coach for his first gig?

We know you don't like 'ol MM, but nobody wants to hear you guys bleat about McCarthy for a year or whatever.

[Fritz]

Times a thousand.

MM mismanaged this whole Hundley deal to the max. The biggest beef I had was his gameplan for Hundley. His plays were cut to the bone. If you are gonna play a guy, play him. MM has to take the blame for this whole debacle. He gave Hundley the backup spot, it was a key job. Big Mac must've seen the flaws in Brett 2's game. He screwed this up on his watch.

All that said, Are all you guys going to insist that they can McCarthy, like, NOW?

Have the Goot hire a new coach for his first gig?

We know you don't like 'ol MM, but nobody wants to hear you guys bleat about McCarthy for a year or whatever.

Come on, KY, you're an old hand around here. You know the routine. I'm going to beat up on Mikey-Mike all offseason, but if the Packers start winning, I'll quiet my criticism, amping it up only when they lose. IF the Packers win it all, I'll trumpet about what a great coach MM is, and how I knew it all along.

[Rutnstrut]

Come on, KY, you're an old hand around here. You know the routine. I'm going to beat up on Mikey-Mike all offseason, but if the Packers start winning, I'll quiet my criticism, amping it up only when they lose. IF the Packers win it all, I'll trumpet about what a great coach MM is, and how I knew it all along.

Not Me. I'll go on record as saying I'm lukewarm about stubby whether he wins or loses. I don't think he's the worst coach, but he's far from the best.

[mraynrand]

Not Me. I'll go on record as saying I'm lukewarm about stubby whether he wins or loses. I don't think he's the worst coach, but he's far from the best.

exactly. If the Packers win now, you all will dig in and say it's in spite of Stubby.

[woodbuck27]

Come on, KY, you're an old hand around here. You know the routine. I'm going to beat up on Mikey-Mike all offseason, but if the Packers start winning, I'll quiet my criticism, amping it up only when they lose. IF the Packers win it all, I'll trumpet about what a great coach MM is, and how I knew it all along.

I'm simply and over the TOP disgusted with Packer Head Coach Mike McCarthy.

At the same time, 'the fact' he keeps escaping dismissal, in spite his incompetence and scapegoating negative personality is somewhat intriguing.



Murphy/Thompson/McCarthy/Capers have had 4 of their 9 teams statistically in the hunt.

** 3 of those 4 were in the 09 – ’11 Seasons.

** In the last 4 Seasons just one team, ** the “Seattle-meltdown-team-of-2014”, was statistically a Super Bowl Team. That alone might have gotten MM ready for being FIRED !

** Mike McCarthy's head wasn't in the game that day. Are we really expecting that to change and 'the REALLY BIG GAME " or are we going with some LAW Of Averages?!?

[KYPack]

Come on, KY, you're an old hand around here. You know the routine. I'm going to beat up on Mikey-Mike all offseason, but if the Packers start winning, I'll quiet my criticism, amping it up only when they lose. IF the Packers win it all, I'll trumpet about what a great coach MM is, and how I knew it all along.

My bad, Fritz. I meant to yell at Woody.

Actually, I wanted to revive the old Bob Harlan model.

Fire both of 'em and have that GM build the whole organization over again. it worked with Wolf.

The new GM keeping the old coach failed with TT keeping Sherm around for that year.

Renew, start afresh with new blood is my motto.

Now that they've screwed that up, wait and see what MM does to save that job.

[mraynrand]

The new GM keeping the old coach failed with TT keeping Sherm around for that year.

I saw that differently. That was tough on 'ol Sherm, but it didn't fail - except by design. Thompson came in and changed the whole structure, and Sherm was the fall guy. You bring in a new coach in that year while you're scuttling the roster to bring back cap responsibility and re-stock the shelves and that coach takes it on the chin for no reason. Also, Shermy was a winning coach and GM, and it's easier to fire him as coach after a rotten year, than after making the playoffs 4 straight years as GM and Coach. Plus, wasn't it Harlan who came up with that plan after Hatley croaked? Maybe the same thing is happening with Stubby. If he's really a good coach, he'll find a way to win this next year, possibly as the organization goes in a new direction. If he fails, then you can bring in the new guy. The only problem with that scenario, if true, is recruiting assistant coaches who believe they may be gone in a year too. What say you? Think assistants will bail, or trust in Stubby/BG/Murphy/Ball?

[KYPack]

I saw that differently. That was tough on 'ol Sherm, but it didn't fail - except by design. Thompson came in and changed the whole structure, and Sherm was the fall guy. You bring in a new coach in that year while you're scuttling the roster to bring back cap responsibility and re-stock the shelves and that coach takes it on the chin for no reason. Also, Shermy was a winning coach and GM, and it's easier to fire him as coach after a rotten year, than after making the playoffs 4 straight years as GM and Coach. Plus, wasn't it Harlan who came up with that plan after Hatley croaked? Maybe the same thing is happening with Stubby. If he's really a good coach, he'll find a way to win this next year, possibly as the organization goes in a new direction. If he fails, then you can bring in the new guy. The only problem with that scenario, if true, is recruiting assistant coaches who believe they may be gone in a year too. What say you? Think assistants will bail, or trust in Stubby/BG/Murphy/Ball?

Bob Harlan royally screwed the pooch by giving the coach/GM gig to the Sherm. No coach can function as half a GM (Cepting B Beli) they will always opt for short term solutions over long term strategies. I hope that in all this fury of the new GM, MM didn't get his finger in the personnel pie. That can be ruinous to a team.

Maybe MM is Goot's "buffer". Goot has a year or two with Stubby, then can make his move.

The asst's?, they will ignore the swirl in GB to get an NFL job. Maybe a Pettine type can get a shot at the big chair that way.

[mraynrand]

The asst's?, they will ignore the swirl in GB to get an NFL job. Maybe a Pettine type can get a shot at the big chair that way.

The only problem with that scenario, if true, is recruiting assistant coaches who believe they may be gone in a year too.

OMG, maybe the only assistant Stubby can get is a guy who is used to be canned after just one year....

[woodbuck27]

My bad, Fritz. I meant to yell at Woody.

Actually, I wanted to revive the old Bob Harlan model.

Fire both of 'em and have that GM build the whole organization over again. it worked with Wolf.

The new GM keeping the old coach failed with TT keeping Sherm around for that year.

Renew, start afresh with new blood is my motto.

Now that they've screwed that up, wait and see what MM does to save that job.

Come on KY you know my MO.

I'll analyze and try to make my points (*** in the unfriendly confines of Packerrats ***) for 10 days to 2 weeks after the Season ends. Why do I do that? I do that because I don't simply represent my personal views. I hope to represent what Packer Nation should see, and thus ask to be corrected.

*** I understand the bad feelings certain Packerrats have towards me. I know I've been clearly judged:

A stupid Canuck 'a no nothing small 'p' Packer fan ( compared to anyone who ever pissed on land in Wisconsin ). A Packerrat that hardly should be respected as anyone who might even possibly see, 'the forest for the trees'.

I've 'stood TALL' under all that certain prejudice against me . I've done that (for about a dozen years) and Packerrats Members that decided I must be taken down. I just do my thing. I contribute to Packerrats (I hope) as much that's really positive in total; over my negativity towards 'the Rah Rah Cool Aid Crowd'. Some things never change and I'll never aspire to ' cowardice and THE TRUTH', and hatred and /or prejudice.

I'll never act like certain silly ass'd 'White Collar's' here. Trumpeting their obvious frustration with me; carrying it around like used toilet paper. Shouting out for all to see.."Look at me. Look at just how really stupid I am." There's no need for an idiot watch at Packerrats. Their the Members here that bear everything but the signs of decency and shame. Compare their Signatures to mine, and you'll see a certain discrepancy KY. I wouldn't want to be and I'll NEVER be them.

At Packerrats I'm simply one of 'a growing crowd'. A crowd with another voice.

I'm a voice here, that balances the voices of those that really believe all is well and Green Bay Packers.They've been trumpeting their voices now for the last seven Season's and they've been wrong. We're now seeing the poor influence that the Team of Packer President and CEO Mark Murphy and past GM Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy have had on Packer Nation and celebrating another Super Bowl, since the 2010 Season. It's been Seven (7) too long years and no NFC Championship. Forget NO Lombardi Trophy !

Favre never got as much as he needed after the single Super Bowl win in the 1990's and and it took 14 long years for a repeat with another certain to become HOF QB in Aaron Rodgers. Arguably, Aaron Rodgers might be the finest and most athletic QB in NFL history and the Packers have won one NFC Championship and a Super Bowl with him . That's plainly screwed up.

At least now and finally, after the PROCESS and hiring another GM to replace Ted Thompson, who's being thrown under the bus as a GM that 'wasn't all in and getting it done. Being fair I qualify that ( given the circumstantial evidence ) as we are discovering it and mainly due to Mike McCarthy's 'flapping lips'. .

So KY:

There's a whole lot we see going on as The Packer BRASS attempts to set the Packer Nation Ship back on some really positive course to winning OUR next Super Bowl... 'OUR Lombardi ' Trophy'. I'll add this. What's with all this EGO driven BS and Packerrats? Don't we all desire that same reward? Another Super Bowl Victory?

Given that I believe that's the case and our most realistic purpose. Why cant we RELAX the obvious prejudice and jealousy and here? I'll never lower myself to your level. YOU know who 'YOU' are. I feel sad for your frustrations.

[Fritz]

My bad, Fritz. I meant to yell at Woody.

Actually, I wanted to revive the old Bob Harlan model.

Fire both of 'em and have that GM build the whole organization over again. it worked with Wolf.

The new GM keeping the old coach failed with TT keeping Sherm around for that year.

Renew, start afresh with new blood is my motto.

Now that they've screwed that up, wait and see what MM does to save that job.

In the end, being a Packer fan I'll be rooting for them to win it all, so if that happens or if they have a great run in the next couple years, I'll let go of my MikeHate.

I agree with you that I don't like this Frankenbacker approach to the front office. There's too much room now for shananigans and back room intrigue.

But maybe it will work. I suppose we'll wait and see, and while we're waiting, I'll have to reconsider my avatar now that Ted has tottered off into the sunset to watch Morgan State play Eastern New Mexico State so he can get a look at that left tackle who transferred from UCLA.

[woodbuck27]

Bretsky, if you're going to go toe-to-toe with Woody, you've got to learn the style. I tried to help you out above.

For the record, I'm in the unusual and slightly awkward position of agreeing in part with Woodbuck and Anti-Polar. It's the bit you wrote about MM not having Hundley ready. The guy sat and watched and trained for the very moment into which he was thrust, and he simply pooped the bed. Like, diarrhea-splattered the bed.

MM's calling card is his work with QB's. That is his foundation for the claim he's a fine head coach - as others pointed out above, he gets a lot of credit for helping Rodgers develop into the All-World QB that he is.

So for me, the fact that MM didn't have Hundley ready, and couldn't figure out a good game plan to use for Hundley ("we're going to run a lot . . . no, wait, we're going to put the game on Hundley's arm") is a serious, serious indictment.

He had TWO YEARS. QB school or no, he said over and over that Hundley was his guy, and obviously Hundley was his guy for the very situation into which he was put. This was no Seneca Wallace story; MM put his money on and his time into Hundley. And Hundley was bad, in an epic way.

To me, MM is becoming increasingly arrogant yet does not have the results with Hundley to back it up. And he's becoming more public about his arrogance, which is the real sin here.

This is 'a Forum' and FREE Speech is the essence of a person's right to express him/herself.

Since the Regular Season ended; Mike McCarthy has certainly been in dire PANIC Mode. The evidence of that is now overwhelmingly pointing to that TRUTH.

He had TT write his ticket to the end of the 2019 Season or got that 1 year extension that gave him 'a necessary Safety Net. After that why not simply relax until the announcement was finally made, that TT was going to be reassigned; then wait until a replacement for Packer GM was finalized?

All this Rumour and MM waffling and flopping around like a beached whale. He'll quit as Packer Head Coach if that Guy is the GM. He needs this and that for ' HIS Correct FIT'. Is over the TOP too much noise from a Head Coach. When the TOP Packer Priority now was who was going to be the next Packer GM or his BOSS.

** MM needed to demonstrate some confidence in 'the Packer Way and Process' that would get the correct MAN in place as Packer GM. He's always telling us about 'the Packer Way' and 'the Packer Process' in place to ensure that it gets to RIGHT. Why was he hitting the PANIC BUTTON? Does a competent clear headed Leader act that way?

** MM needed to simply get himself into a position to interview the best qualified candidate for his next Defensive Coordinator. He might have realized that to make the best decision, it would be expedient that the NEW Packer GM was named.

** MM needed to see where he needed to upgrade hos Coaching Staff and NOT necessarily downgrade it. If you examine his decisions there to date it's obvious he made questionable decisions and Coaching Dismissals. I strongly believe that MM hurt himself a lot since this Season ended and TRUST.

Mike McCarthy simply demonstrated exactly what he is and isn't; and what it takes to be a Head Coach of a legitimate Super Bowl contender in the Prime Years and Aaron Rodgers.

Mike McCarthy acted to save his own skin, and in so doing, turned out looking like his own worst enemy.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky, if you're going to go toe-to-toe with Woody, you've got to learn the style. I tried to help you out above.

For the record, I'm in the unusual and slightly awkward position of agreeing in part with Woodbuck and Anti-Polar. It's the bit you wrote about MM not having Hundley ready. The guy sat and watched and trained for the very moment into which he was thrust, and he simply pooped the bed. Like, diarrhea-splattered the bed.

MM's calling card is his work with QB's. That is his foundation for the claim he's a fine head coach - as others pointed out above, he gets a lot of credit for helping Rodgers develop into the All-World QB that he is.

So for me, the fact that MM didn't have Hundley ready, and couldn't figure out a good game plan to use for Hundley ("we're going to run a lot . . . no, wait, we're going to put the game on Hundley's arm") is a serious, serious indictment.

He had TWO YEARS. QB school or no, he said over and over that Hundley was his guy, and obviously Hundley was his guy for the very situation into which he was put. This was no Seneca Wallace story; MM put his money on and his time into Hundley. And Hundley was bad, in an epic way.

To me, MM is becoming increasingly arrogant yet does not have the results with Hundley to back it up. And he's becoming more public about his arrogance, which is the real sin here.

I have no goal to go vs. Woody.....I like Woody......we just agree to disagree on many things with MM

I do agree he did a terrible job after AROD went down and the lack of quality play from Huntley is all on MM