The 2015 " I just can't stay out of jail " Thread .

[Patler]

buncha smartasses with the coin part. Try matching them with their peers who didn't make it into pro football. Duh.

But are they the same as their peers who didn't make pro football, financially or environmentally? Are arrest rates the same among residents of affluent neighborhoods and those of inner city neighborhoods?

Personally, I don't know if the arrests rates are higher or lower than whoever you compare to, and I don't care. All I would like to see is for pro athletes, entertainers, etc. to be treated the same as others, to the extent that is possible. For a while, they skated off easily most times. Now, I think the pendulum may have swung the other way, and players are getting fired on allegations, not convictions.

[mraynrand]

But are they the same as their peers who didn't make pro football, financially or environmentally?

who can tell? So don't even try to draw comparisons then. Why get hung up on differences in money then, if comparisons are null and void?

I actually agree with you on the treatment part - try as much as possible to treat everyone the same when it comes to prosecution and sentencing. But that isn't how it works in practice - probably for the same underlying reasons as why people would think $$ are a uniform and overarching demographic characteristic.

[pbmax]

who can tell? So don't even try to draw comparisons then. Why get hung up on differences in money then, if comparisons are null and void?

I actually agree with you on the treatment part - try as much as possible to treat everyone the same when it comes to prosecution and sentencing. But that isn't how it works in practice - probably for the same underlying reasons as why people would think $$ are a uniform and overarching demographic characteristic.

Even if studying it is problematic due to a small sample, finances are a huge part of a demographic. It has to be accounted for in some way, even if direct population study doesn't get you useful info at first pass.

[Patler]

who can tell? So don't even try to draw comparisons then. Why get hung up on differences in money then, if comparisons are null and void?

I actually agree with you on the treatment part - try as much as possible to treat everyone the same when it comes to prosecution and sentencing. But that isn't how it works in practice - probably for the same underlying reasons as why people would think $$ are a uniform and overarching demographic characteristic.

You were the one who asked for "a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men." All I have done is try to figure out who YOU want to compare them to. I didn't make any statements one way or the other about the frequency of arrests among NFLers.

I'm not hung up on money at all. I simply asked if $ should be a factor for you in establishing the comparison you want. Money does determine where you can live, how you can live, what things you can do, where you can go. Great wealth also attracts "friends" you never knew you had.

[mraynrand]

You were the one who asked for "a side-by-side comparison to a random sample of demographically matched men." All I have done is try to figure out who YOU want to compare them to. I didn't make any statements one way or the other about the frequency of arrests among NFLers.

I'm not hung up on money at all. I simply asked if $ should be a factor for you in establishing the comparison you want. Money does determine where you can live, how you can live, what things you can do, where you can go. Great wealth also attracts "friends" you never knew you had.

Ya, sorry, I get annoyed at this constant barrage directed toward NFL players, because I'm certain there's an agenda behind it. Still, I'd compare them to peers with (few) and without money, and compare them to themselves, before and after contracts. And yes, it's a challenging demographic comparison not just because of the money, but because the mechanism of acquiring the money is so different than for others with money. Think of the vast difference in people who acquire wealth by other means, like entertainers, doctors, entrepreneurs, etc. It's like a physical lottery for a lot of kids and doesn't compare well with people who gradually acquire wealth over a lifetime of work.

[Patler]

Ya, sorry, I get annoyed at this constant barrage directed toward NFL players, because I'm certain there's an agenda behind it. Still, I'd compare them to peers with (few) and without money, and compare them to themselves, before and after contracts. And yes, it's a challenging demographic comparison not just because of the money, but because the mechanism of acquiring the money is so different than for others with money. Think of the vast difference in people who acquire wealth by other means, like entertainers, doctors, entrepreneurs, etc. It's like a physical lottery for a lot of kids and doesn't compare well with people who gradually acquire wealth over a lifetime of work.

The closest comparison for some might be a lottery winner. Little money today, millions tomorrow.

[George Cumby]

The closest comparison for some might be a lottery winner. Little money today, millions tomorrow.

Well. They're winners of the genetic lottery, to be sure.

[smuggler]

Well. They're winners of the genetic lottery, to be sure.

Physically, yeah. Mentally, not so much. But, brains don't pay as well as jumping ability and height.