Studs And Duds - Packers vs. Bucs

[Harlan Huckleby]

The packer run defense was weak. Not sure where dud lies.

[wist43]

The packer run defense was weak. Not sure where dud lies.

Some of that is Capers and the weak fronts he likes to play, but regardless of personnel on either side - Martinez and Ryan were pathetic.

I just FF'd and slo-mo'd thru the game... neither one of those guys should be starting in the NFL. Probably not good enough to be backups on most teams... but, of course, we're stuck with them like we're stuck with Randall and Capers. None of those guys is going anywhere, anytime soon.

[pbmax]

Some of that is Capers and the weak fronts he likes to play, but regardless of personnel on either side - Martinez and Ryan were pathetic.

I just FF'd and slo-mo'd thru the game... neither one of those guys should be starting in the NFL. Probably not good enough to be backups on most teams... but, of course, we're stuck with them like we're stuck with Randall and Capers. None of those guys is going anywhere, anytime soon.

Seriously you are worse than a broken clock. In this case, you ring for the second half performance.

In the first half those horrid ILBs allowed 13 carries to go for 41 yards, an average of 3.2 ypc.

In the second half, Clark and Ryan got hurt and were replaced by Dial and Joe Thomas. Matthews also spent some time inside and the Bucs figured out something in their run game.

Second half they were 22 for 124, 5.6 ypc. For the game, those horrid ILBs, even injured, allowed 4.7 ypc.

For the season, Packers Run D is 7th best in the League at -19.8 DVOA. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

[wist43]

Seriously you are worse than a broken clock. In this case, you ring for the second half performance.

In the first half those horrid ILBs allowed 13 carries to go for 41 yards, an average of 3.2 ypc.

In the second half, Clark and Ryan got hurt and were replaced by Dial and Joe Thomas. Matthews also spent some time inside and the Bucs figured out something in their run game.

Second half they were 22 for 124, 5.6 ypc. For the game, those horrid ILBs, even injured, allowed 4.7 ypc.

For the season, Packers Run D is 7th best in the League at -19.8 DVOA. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamdef

http://www.nfl.com/liveupdate/gamece...B_Gamebook.pdf

The tape don't lie... they can't play. Both Ryan and Martinez are poor players.

Perhaps better coaching, a new DC, and a new scheme can help, but I doubt it. They lack instincts and anticipation.

Good for homers like you though max... you got the defense and the DC you like.

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Here's a question for you...

Barber caught a screen pass for 34 yds (2nd or 3rd Qtr I think) nary a Packer on the screen. Watching that play unfold, who is at fault on the Packer defense??

Ryan?? As he turned his back to the LOS after he realized it wasn't a run, and had no clue as to what was actually happening on the play. Do the Packers defensive coaches really teach their LB's to transition from their 1st responsibility to their second, in this case underneath coverage on the crossing route, by completely turning their back on the play??

Or,

Capers and the coaching staff?? Whose scheme and play call put Ryan in that position??

Or,

Is no one at fault, as relatively uncontested 34 yd gains are acceptable, as long as it doesn't result in a score??

[Pugger]

The tape don't lie... they can't play. Both Ryan and Martinez are poor players.

Perhaps better coaching, a new DC, and a new scheme can help, but I doubt it. They lack instincts and anticipation.

Good for homers like you though max... you got the defense and the DC you like.

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Here's a question for you...

Barber caught a screen pass for 34 yds (2nd or 3rd Qtr I think) nary a Packer on the screen. Watching that play unfold, who is at fault on the Packer defense??

Ryan?? As he turned his back to the LOS after he realized it wasn't a run, and had no clue as to what was actually happening on the play. Do the Packers defensive coaches really teach their LB's to transition from their 1st responsibility to their second, in this case underneath coverage on the crossing route, by completely turning their back on the play??

Or,

Capers and the coaching staff?? Whose scheme and play call put Ryan in that position??

Or,

Is no one at fault, as relatively uncontested 34 yd gains are acceptable, as long as it doesn't result in a score??

Martinez is a poor player??

[wist43]

Martinez is a poor player??

No instincts... not a play maker.

Very pedestrian player.

[Pugger]

No instincts... not a play maker.

Very pedestrian player.

If he is pedestrian then why is he ranked 4th in the league in tackles?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorysta...seasonType=REG

[mraynrand]

Seriously you are worse than a broken clock.

get him a SPRIGGS™ watch!