The ugly truth

[retailguy]

From what I recall, a lot of people contributed good information in that thread and Partial mainly looked silly because he didn't listen to good advice. In fact, from what I recall, Partial wasn't even posting in the thread anymore until he had one of his drunken mental breaks and ruined the thread for everyone else who was still participating in it.

If the bar for deleting (not moving, which I would have been fine with, as we were told deleting a thread would never happen) threads is Partial making an ass out of himself, then you might as well go ahead and fucking delete half the fucking forum. As far as your suggestion, retail, why should everyone who contributed to that thread have to reconstruct what they built just because someone idiot-bombed the thread or because you decided to apply your own code of justice to the content instead of the stated forum guidelines (which seemed to be the main motivation behind hiding behind a fake owner)? We know you guys have tried hard to protect Partial from himself for a few years, mostly out of feelings of friendship. Fine. Every forum needs a Vern. But erasing the contributions of others to that end was counterproductive and insulting to everyone else who posted.

Continuing to hide behind the decisions "Joe" made which run against the stated and historical goals and mission of this forum is cowardly, and more than a little dishonest.

I am not hiding behind anything. I moved it, and I'm telling you that I'd move it today just the same.

I don't have any idea "what the goals of this forum are", and today, I don't pretend to know. I know what I consider decent and not decent. That thread was not decent based on the actions of a few. Such is life.

Quite honestly there are plenty of threads that ought to get moved. They don't. Life isn't fair. Sometimes it gets done right, and sometimes it doesn't. I believe I got this one right. You disagree. You have that right. I've heard you and I understand where you're coming from. No longer my call as to what to do with it. All I'm saying is that if it was my call, I'd leave it where it was, or I'd move it back there again if it was still active.

My reasons for moving it really didn't have anything to do with partial. I'd like to believe I'd have moved it if it were anyone else. Instead of criticism for his choices, it degenerated into personal criticism. I didn't think that there was a place for that here. Maybe there is and I'm mistaken? That's for you to judge I guess.

[Zool]

I am not hiding behind anything. I moved it, and I'm telling you that I'd move it today just the same.

I don't have any idea "what the goals of this forum are", and today, I don't pretend to know. I know what I consider decent and not decent. That thread was not decent based on the actions of a few. Such is life.

Quite honestly there are plenty of threads that ought to get moved. They don't. Life isn't fair. Sometimes it gets done right, and sometimes it doesn't. I believe I got this one right. You disagree. You have that right. I've heard you and I understand where you're coming from. No longer my call as to what to do with it. All I'm saying is that if it was my call, I'd leave it where it was, or I'd move it back there again if it was still active.

My reasons for moving it really didn't have anything to do with partial. I'd like to believe I'd have moved it if it were anyone else. Instead of criticism for his choices, it degenerated into personal criticism. I didn't think that there was a place for that here. Maybe there is and I'm mistaken? That's for you to judge I guess.

The garbage can is an anything goes area as far as I've understood.

[SkinBasket]

The garbage can is an anything goes area as far as I've understood.

That combined with the proclamation when we arrived that content would never be deleted, just moved to the appropriate place if need be, raises the question of: WTF?

Retail, I'm not trying so much to indict you on anything here. Like you said, I think you made a decision that sucked balls. But at the time, you were allowed that kind of freedom from our customs by hiding behind the "new owner" with his "new vibe" who wasn't beholden to the rules we agreed on when we set up shop here. It was a cheap, cowardly way to be a dick.

I was saying it's cowardly and disingenuous for Madtown to now say there's nothing he's willing/able to do about it now. But it seems the rebirth of Madtown's reign has a heavy dose of afterbirth that smells just like he did when he pretended to run away before. It's not surprising that the same rules he established he also ignored at his convenience. It's just kind of pathetic. Of course, like everything else he decides he doesn't like, the rules, or what was left of them, no longer exist. So whatever. I guess he gets to be right because he says so. Like I said, it's just pathetic is all and I happen to believe the rest of the people here deserve better.

[retailguy]

That combined with the proclamation when we arrived that content would never be deleted, just moved to the appropriate place if need be, raises the question of: WTF?

Retail, I'm not trying so much to indict you on anything here. Like you said, I think you made a decision that sucked balls. But at the time, you were allowed that kind of freedom from our customs by hiding behind the "new owner" with his "new vibe" who wasn't beholden to the rules we agreed on when we set up shop here. It was a cheap, cowardly way to be a dick.

I was saying it's cowardly and disingenuous for Madtown to now say there's nothing he's willing/able to do about it now. But it seems the rebirth of Madtown's reign has a heavy dose of afterbirth that smells just like he did when he pretended to run away before. It's not surprising that the same rules he established he also ignored at his convenience. It's just kind of pathetic. Of course, like everything else he decides he doesn't like, the rules, or what was left of them, no longer exist. So whatever. I guess he gets to be right because he says so. Like I said, it's just pathetic is all and I happen to believe the rest of the people here deserve better.

I don't take any of this as personal.

Look, I understand the reasons for Joe. This topic is a perfect reason for it. I've talked to MTP a lot over the last two years. I know him pretty well. At the end of the day, all he wanted to do was talk football and shit with his online buddies. There is a part of him that also loves running this website. Maybe you can't have both. He's trying to do that.

But the last few pages of this thread are proof that he can't be an admin and just talk crap with his buddies. You guys won't allow that. If he reinstates that thread, then, he can't delete anything else, ever. If he doesn't, it's all you'll bring up.

Does he have some power and control issues? Probably. In spite of that he's a good guy. I like him a lot even though I'm still frustrated with what happened. But going on and on about this thread? Not reasonable in my opinion. In retrospect, I wish I had blown it away instead of just deleting it.

As to the GC - again, I think personal attacks are out of bounds, and not appropriate there either. But my rules no longer apply. I honestly hope that most members here wouldn't personally attack someone, even in the GC. But hey, that's just me. I did it a few times, mostly in anger and frustration. I hope I never do it again, and one of the few things that I regret in my time here are those attacks.

[SkinBasket]

But the last few pages of this thread are proof that he can't be an admin and just talk crap with his buddies. You guys won't allow that. If he reinstates that thread, then, he can't delete anything else, ever. If he doesn't, it's all you'll bring up.

I think most people are fine letting madtown be madtown. But when he acts like an asshat, he'll be treated like an asshat, like anyone else here should be.

I would be happy that he couldn't delete anything, outside of personal information. That's what he promised. That's why it continues to be brought up, just like Tony the pubic louse at CE. We have methods to deal with uncouth behavior in a much more specific way that just fucking erasing a dozen or two pages of conversation. Like I said, the latter is just taking the easy way out and punishing the many because the one acts like a douchebag cocksnorkle.

[mraynrand]

I think most people are fine letting madtown be madtown. But when he acts like an asshat, he'll be treated like an asshat, like anyone else here should be.

I would be happy that he couldn't delete anything, outside of personal information. That's what he promised. That's why it continues to be brought up, just like Tony the pubic louse at CE. We have methods to deal with uncouth behavior in a much more specific way that just fucking erasing a dozen or two pages of conversation. Like I said, the latter is just taking the easy way out and punishing the many because the one acts like a douchebag cocksnorkle.

Would it be too hard to just delete the offensive post and move on - perhaps give the offending party a couple of days to cool off?

And Madtown should use a separate account called "Administrator" to answer questions about the forum, and as his "Madtown" login, specifically ignore admin stuff and just post football, etc. People would know it's the same guy, but it's like an on duty versus off duty cop. If you're always wearing your uniform, people will always treat you like a cop.

[retailguy]

Like I said, the latter is just taking the easy way out and punishing the many because the one acts like a douchebag cocksnorkle.

The majority were laughing and whooping it up regarding the personal attacks, calling them deserved and encouraging the continuation. So, the majority were the ones acting like douchebag cocksnorkles. And that's why the thread reached 7 pages before it was gone.

[mraynrand]

The majority were laughing and whooping it up regarding the personal attacks, calling them deserved and encouraging the continuation. So, the majority were the ones acting like douchebag cocksnorkles. And that's why the thread reached 7 pages before it was gone.

Prove it

[SkinBasket]

The majority were laughing and whooping it up regarding the personal attacks, calling them deserved and encouraging the continuation. So, the majority were the ones acting like douchebag cocksnorkles. And that's why the thread reached 7 pages before it was gone.

So you decided your version of the events was more accurate and/or righteous than that "the majority" and zap, your opinion is more important than the majority of posters who contributed to the thread. That's what I, and others have a problem with on a fundamental level.

Maybe if we could read the thread, we could all apologize for how viciously unfair we were to his even-headed, gentlemanly and kindly arguments. I mean, it's not like he called someone a cunt or anything for disagreeing with him on power squat technique, right?

[Scott Campbell]

As to the GC - again, I think personal attacks are out of bounds, and not appropriate there either. But my rules no longer apply. I honestly hope that most members here wouldn't personally attack someone, even in the GC. But hey, that's just me. I did it a few times, mostly in anger and frustration. I hope I never do it again, and one of the few things that I regret in my time here are those attacks.

And I regret that I didn't sneak more in while the coast was clear.



It's hard being so nice to Woody.

[mraynrand]

It's hard being so nice to Woody.

QFT. He gives you so much material.

[Deputy Nutz]

I am not hiding behind anything. I moved it, and I'm telling you that I'd move it today just the same.

I don't have any idea "what the goals of this forum are", and today, I don't pretend to know. I know what I consider decent and not decent. That thread was not decent based on the actions of a few. Such is life.

Quite honestly there are plenty of threads that ought to get moved. They don't. Life isn't fair. Sometimes it gets done right, and sometimes it doesn't. I believe I got this one right. You disagree. You have that right. I've heard you and I understand where you're coming from. No longer my call as to what to do with it. All I'm saying is that if it was my call, I'd leave it where it was, or I'd move it back there again if it was still active.

My reasons for moving it really didn't have anything to do with partial. I'd like to believe I'd have moved it if it were anyone else. Instead of criticism for his choices, it degenerated into personal criticism. I didn't think that there was a place for that here. Maybe there is and I'm mistaken? That's for you to judge I guess.

That was the problem, you ain't "Outlaw" enough for a place like this. NOW GIVE ME BACK MY TURKEY!!!

[retailguy]

That was the problem, you ain't "Outlaw" enough for a place like this. NOW GIVE ME BACK MY TURKEY!!!

I think I'll wear that "not enough of an outlaw" badge with pride.

[Scott Campbell]

I don't have any idea "what the goals of this forum are", and today, I don't pretend to know.

That right there is as damning as anything I've read here.