2015 Packers Training Camp and Triage Center

[mraynrand]

There you go again. With perry as OLB. The 2-4 nickel can be a 3-3 depending on down and distance. SIGH

[wist43]

There you go again. With perry as OLB. The 2-4 nickel can be a 3-3 depending on down and distance. SIGH

It isn't a 3-3 if you only have 2 DL inside the tackles - and that's the biggest problem with it, i.e. teams tend to run it down our throat. Aren't you absolutely sick and tired of being run over out of that alignment?? Besides, most of our front 6/7 talent resides on the DL - I'd much rather have Perry down, and Neal on the field than Perry lined up outside the tackles and 2 sluggish ILB's who are liabilities against the pass, and undermanned against the run with only 2 DL in front of them.

The way dunderdummy runs his 2-4, he all-but abandons the middle of the field, leaving 2 down linemen and 2 LB's on the 2nd level to deal with anything between the tackles. The OLB's in that alignment, unless they are running a stunt, usually fly upfield on the pass rush, and take themselves out of any running play.

It's the same old story with dunderdummy - trying to hedge his bets against the run (which he really is not), while in reality he's only concerned about the pass, and he usually doesn't defend that well either.

[mraynrand]

It isn't a 3-3 if you only have 2 DL inside the tackles - and that's the biggest problem with it, i.e. teams tend to run it down our throat. Aren't you absolutely sick and tired of being run over out of that alignment??

Not if it's 3rd and 15, or even second and long against a good quarterback.

[pbmax]

Not if it's 3rd and 15, or even second and long against a good quarterback.

Not to mention the 270 pound guy who should be a DE who is on the outside shoulder of the Tackle (or his 280 lb sub who used to play DT) plus the 265 pound guy just inside the TE. That's just soft with their hands in the air and whatnot.

That's also why wist doesn't like a 4-3 Under. Only two big guys between the tackles.





Because the most important thing about lineman is where their hand is at the snap.

[wist43]

Not if it's 3rd and 15, or even second and long against a good quarterback.

ayn, how many times have we seen an opponent run for a 1st down against dunderdummy when he abandons the middle of the field and goes to a 2-4 with the G-C-G completely uncovered??

As for the 3-3 vs the 2-4, I'm much rather rush out of a 3-3 anyway - the offensive linemen have to account for the DL, instead of just looking to pick up a guy coming from the second level - which is easy enough to do when there is nothing in front of you, and you can see the guy coming a mile away.

The 3-3 is a much better front for the personnel we have. It's really not even debatable IMO - but we have dunderdummy for our DC, and all of you guys are starry eyed groupies, so I'm stuck with having to argue something that should be obvious.

[mraynrand]

ayn, how many times have we seen an opponent run for a 1st down against dunderdummy when he abandons the middle of the field and goes to a 2-4 with the G-C-G completely uncovered??

It depends on the down and distance, and the QB. Packers played the 2-4 extensively on passing and QB run plays versus guys like Kap and other QBs with running chops - but only on passing downs, longer to gain than 10 yard downs and sometimes first downs, depending on field position. It's a trade-off of course. But SPH and Trgo both told me that essentially nickel is base and they are willing to give up runs to stop the passing game. Again, that will of course vary based on the skill of the opposing QB and their team's ability to run the ball, esp. versus a nickel. Also, Packers and SPH value the ability of their guys to adapt, so even if they have undersized guys for pass defense, they still expect to be able to limit the run damage.

I agree, every once in a while the defense is set up to allow a run, and it can look foolish close to the goal line, but that's not all that frequent, and EVEN IN those cases, the opposition typically has 3-4 receiving threats on the field (think 2013 season finale agains Chicago with Marshall Jeffrey, the TE and Forte all on the field, all threats to burn you in the passing game. You just can't bring in three fatties to defend that).

[wist43]

It depends on the down and distance, and the QB. Packers played the 2-4 extensively on passing and QB run plays versus guys like Kap and other QBs with running chops - but only on passing downs, longer to gain than 10 yard downs and sometimes first downs, depending on field position. It's a trade-off of course. But SPH and Trgo both told me that essentially nickel is base and they are willing to give up runs to stop the passing game. Again, that will of course vary based on the skill of the opposing QB and their team's ability to run the ball, esp. versus a nickel. Also, Packers and SPH value the ability of their guys to adapt, so even if they have undersized guys for pass defense, they still expect to be able to limit the run damage.

I agree, every once in a while the defense is set up to allow a run, and it can look foolish close to the goal line, but that's not all that frequent, and EVEN IN those cases, the opposition typically has 3-4 receiving threats on the field (think 2013 season finale agains Chicago with Marshall Jeffrey, the TE and Forte all on the field, all threats to burn you in the passing game. You just can't bring in three fatties to defend that).

1) Dunderdummy ran the 2-4 as his base, regardless of down/distance, and regardless of personnel, some 75-80% of the time in 2011. He scaled it back a little in '12 and '13, but that isn't saying much; and then of course MM finally had enough, and got involved with the defense; the Elephant became our base; and we saw a lot more 3-3, and less 2-4. With clearly better results.

2) Dunderdummy played the 2-4 in short yardage and goal line often times. He played it inside the 10 yd line with goal to go. There's just no excuse for that.

3) We no longer have "the fat guys" to run a traditional 3-4, hence we have to run the Elephant/hybrid in base - which is fine with me given our personnel.

4) Given our personnel, the same arguments apply to the nickel, i.e. we should be running a 3-3, so Perry can have his hand in the dirt; Neal is standing up rushing; Matthews is in the middle and presents all kinds of problems for the OL and the calls they have to make; Peppers, Daniels, and Jones round out that alignment.

Notice in that alignment, we don't have to have either Barrington or Ryan on the field - either of whom would be a weak link in the nickel; or, in yesteryear, Hawk or B. Jones.

5) If it is as likely as not to be a run, you can go with Richardson are your nickelback; if it is more likely to be a pass, go with one of the midgets.

Q: Haven't heard anything about Richardson in this camp - is he hurt?? Is he running in any of the subpackages??

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Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 30m30 minutes ago
Andrew Quarless has returned to practice #Packers

NOW, DON'T YOU FEEL BETTER?

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3m3 minutes ago
#Packers injury list is unchanged:
WR Collins
CB Rollins
RB Crockett
OT Rotheram
WR Abbrederis
OLB Neal

SPORTS SCIENCE IS THE BEST SCIENCE. THANK YOU GATORADE, HERB BROOKS AND CHIP KELLY

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 7m7 minutes ago
Both Datone Jones and Demitri Goodson started out practice inside with the scout team while the 1s and 2s were outside.

THE YEAR OF JONES AND PERRY STARTS OFF ON A SOUR NOTE

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 37s38 seconds ago
Mike Daniels very quick on 1-on-1 pass-rush win vs. T.J. Lang. Much quicker than my camera skills, sadly. #Packers

Robert Olson ‏@RobertOlson92 19m19 minutes ago
.@Mike_Daniels76 just bull rushed @TJLang70...Great blow with the hands. Raji loves the Swim move. And @BBulaga stoned Peppers...nice base.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 11s11 seconds ago
In 1 on 1 pass rush, Linsley sound in reps against Raji & Guion. Daniels wins / of 3 reps, including going 1-1 against Lang

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 16m16 minutes ago
Jayrone Elliott with nice pass rush. Having good 1-on-1 period. (We are across the field; zoom lens not delivering.)

THIS IS VERY GOOD NEWS

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 2m2 minutes ago
Crosby and Masthay alternating on kickoffs.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 3m3 minutes ago
On first team Hyde was up back in front of Montgomery. On second team it was Rajion Neal in front of Hyde.

IN FRONT OF IS REFERRING TO AN UPBACK, BEHIND IS RETURNER. NOT RELATION TO DEPTH CHART.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 8m8 minutes ago
Kickoff return period, returners are Hyde, Neal, Montgomery.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 20s20 seconds ago
Jayrone Elliot stood up Justin Perillo and blew up an outside run.

HE'S A TRAINING CAMP HERO, GOT STARS IN HIS EYES ...
HE'LL COME ALIVE TONIGHT

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 12m12 minutes ago
Half line drill starting. Lots of pads popping on this run drill.

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 9m9 minutes ago
Aaron Ripkowski not afraid to hit. Man. Couple big collisions with Ryan

AARON THE RIPPER, A-A-RON YOU OVER, RIP TOWN, CONCUSSION SETTLEMENT ...

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 8m8 minutes ago
Backman misses block. Mulumba with another would be TFL. Been active

YOU KNOW ITS EARLY IN CAMP WHEN ALL THE OLB BACKUPS HAVE GOTTEN BIG MENTIONS

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 7m7 minutes ago
Lacy with s couple of nice runs in half line. Busted into the clear.

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 5m5 minutes ago
Richardson taking early rep as nickel back, that's new

PLEASE LET THAT BE PLAN Z

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 1m1 minute ago
Base 3-4 featured from L to R, Guion, Raji and Daniels upfront. Perry, Peppers outside and Matthews, Barrington inside.

SOMEONE DO HEIGHTS AND WEIGHTS ON THIS GROUP! SOFT N' SMALL!!

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Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 3m3 minutes ago
First snap of period for #Packers offense:

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Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 2m2 minutes ago
#Packers using a bunch of offensive sets this team period. 3 WR, full-house backfields, 2 TEs, etc.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 6m6 minutes ago
Lafayette back Alonzo Harris has had a couple of impressive runs today. Nice acceleration.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 11m11 minutes ago
Hyde playing mostly nickel but he still gets reps at safety.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 10m10 minutes ago
Seeing some full house back fields with two tight ends blocking in front of the back.

HOO BOY

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 13m13 minutes ago
Lane Taylor in at left guard with #Packers No. 1 line in place of Sitton. McCarthy said Friday team is "just being smart" with Pro Bowl G.

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 6m6 minutes ago
Harris can run. Blocking? He just whiffed on a Morgan Burnett blitz.

WAIT TIL THAT YEAR 2 LEAP

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 5m5 minutes ago
#Packers 3 WR set (Or, no need to worry about Jordy):

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89 12

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Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 4m4 minutes ago
Montgomery showing what he can do on an end around. Did that a lot at Stanford.

HOW ABOUT A FLY SWEEP THEN PITCH BACK SIDE TO COBB? NO ONE CAN STOP THAT!!

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 4m4 minutes ago
Montgomery showing a lot of burst on end around. Harris is a lengthy thumper. Broke a few in team. A lot of big packages there

WHO HAS A WHITE SPORTSWRITER TRANSLATOR ALGORITHM THAT CAN BREAKOUT LENGTHY THUMPER INTO STANDARD ENGLISH?

Pete Dougherty ‏@PeteDougherty 7m7 minutes ago
Sitton no snaps in team drill, no 1 on 1s either. Appears preventative/rest because of past toe/back issues but can't say for sure

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Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 8m8 minutes ago
Toward end of 11-on-11 period, #Packers rookie WR had an explosive run on end-around that got Nitschke Field fans excited.

I GET THE SENSE THIS WIL BE THE MOST ASKED QUESTION OF SPORTS RADIO AFTER EVERY CLOSE GAME/LOSS? WHY NOT MORE MONTGOMERY/END AROUNDS?

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 6m6 minutes ago
Burnett nearly has third pick of camp. Rodgers pass bounces off his hands.

AT SOME POINT RED MAY HAVE TO RECLASSIFY HIM AS NOT OVERPAID

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 4m4 minutes ago
#Packers past, present and future GMs? (Present, past and future, I should say.) Ted Thompson, Ron Wolf, Eliot Wolf.



RON LOOKS GOOD!

Green Bay Packers ‏@packers 7m7 minutes ago
Lacy powers through the pads. #PackersCamp

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Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 6m6 minutes ago
Gunter with nice jam/pass breakup on Rodgers throw to Nelson on a slant. Each day the UDFA CB from @MiamiHurricanes makes at least one play.

HE IS ALREADY DELIVERING ON HEIGHTENED EXPECTATIONS

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 5m5 minutes ago
Pinkard gets separation from sebetic but Hundley under threw it

HUNDLEY NOT HAVING A GREAT CAMP SO FAR

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 18s19 seconds ago
Only two rookies on kickoff coverage are Damarious Randall and Jake Ryan. McCarthy said he was going to use more vets on ST.

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 26s27 seconds ago
Goodson pretty much on all the KO and PUnt teams I've seen so far. Same for Banjo

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 2m2 minutes ago
Try No. 2 at #Packers dime D. Thanks for the corrections:

23 29 76 90 33 37
56 58 52
42 21

Tyler Dunne ‏@TyDunne 9s9 seconds ago
EJ Manuel just went 0 for 5 in this team period vs the one's. Underthrew Marquise Goodwin deep and Darby nearly picked it off.

JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT TY DUNNE PROBABLY GOT A PROMOTION MOVING BACK TO BUFFALO, BUT WILL BE PUNISHED AS WELL

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 59s60 seconds ago
Sometimes erratic but Masthay still has a hell of a leg on kickoffs

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 1m1 minute ago
Jake Ryan and Randall getting snaps with one KOC. Palmer also on it

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MORE GUNTER: http://www.packersnews.com/story/spo...ason/28948885/

He wears #36. Its fate.

Red Flags: Slow 40 time at Combine. His height varies from 6' even to 6' 2", weight varies from 196 to 201. Might be PED user, possible body dysmorphia, possibly a pod person.

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Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 7m7 minutes ago
Rodgers drops a deep ball in the net (after rubbing the ball's laces on the grass) during #Packers ol' bucket drill.

PRETTY SURE THAT'S ILLEGAL NOW.




Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 14s14 seconds ago
Adrian Hubbard up slow after last team snap. Meanwhile Hundley hit Montgomery on deep leaping catch. Best throw as a packer to date

Tom Silverstein ‏@TomSilverstein 15s15 seconds ago
Montgomery ends team drills with leaping highlight catch over Hunter deep downfield.

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 21s22 seconds ago
Hubbard back in no huddle

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 4s5 seconds ago
And he just lumped out again

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 1m1 minute ago
Hubbard limped off after one play

WEAKNESSES: INDECISIVE, LEG

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Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 1m1 minute ago
Best play I've seen today was in earlier 11-on-11 on a deep ball by Hundley that Ty Montgomery went up and made phenomenal catch vs Gunter,

GUNTER MORTAL, MONTGOMERY MAY NOT BE

Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde 6s7 seconds ago
#Packers OLB Andy Mulumba beats Don Barclay for a sack of Scott Tolzien during 11-on-11 no-huddle. Had a very good three days.

WILDE MUST HAVE GOTTEN A GOOD NIGHT'S SLEEP LAST NIGHT, HE IS ALL OVER THIS PRACTICE

Weston Hodkiewicz ‏@WesHod 17s17 seconds ago
Jimmie Hunt with a nice sideline grab. May have pushed off of Randall but no flag. Great catch. That's it for practice at 2:30