So if the defense is terrible again this season?

[denverYooper]

How about simply advancing to the NFC Championship game as we saw with the R. Wolf; M. Sherman; T. Thompson / B. Favre era.

The Brett Favre - Ron Wolf; Mike Sherman and Ted Thompson era (1992 - 2007 or 16 Seasons) produced Four (4) NFC Championship games and two (2) NFC Champonships under Green Bay Packers GM Ron Wolf and Brett Favre (1992 - 2007).

Vs:

The Ted Thompson era 2005 -2013 or nine (9) Seasons = One (1) NFC Championship game and one (1) Championship.

Is Ted Thompson wasting Aaron Rodgers outstanding skill set?

It seems that you're muddling Brett Favre's career into your TT vs Wolf comparison.

Wolf was GM for 9 seasons. His postseason record: 1992 missed; 1993, 1994 lost in divisional; 1995 lost NFCC; 1996 won SB; 1997 lost SB; 1998 lost WC; 1999 missed; 2000 missed
Ted Thompson has been GM for 9 seasons. His postseasons: 2005, 2006: missed; 2007: NFCC; 2008: missed; 2009: lost WC; 2010 won SB; 2011 lost div; 2012 lost div; 2013 lost WC.

Both made the playoffs 6/9 times as GM. Both had 1 SB victory, 1 lost NFCC, 2 divisional losses, and 1 WC loss. The main difference is that Wolf made it to a second Superbowl.

[woodbuck27]

It seems that you're muddling Brett Favre's career into your TT vs Wolf comparison.

Wolf was GM for 9 seasons. His postseason record: 1992 missed; 1993, 1994 lost in divisional; 1995 lost NFCC; 1996 won SB; 1997 lost SB; 1998 lost WC; 1999 missed; 2000 missed
Ted Thompson has been GM for 9 seasons. His postseasons: 2005, 2006: missed; 2007: NFCC; 2008: missed; 2009: lost WC; 2010 won SB; 2011 lost div; 2012 lost div; 2013 lost WC.

Both made the playoffs 6/9 times as GM. Both had 1 SB victory, 1 lost NFCC, 2 divisional losses, and 1 WC loss. The main difference is that Wolf made it to a second Superbowl.

Wolf saw his Packers make it to three consecutive NFC Championship games and winning two to go to the Super Bowl from 1995-98. Then Brett Favre was arguably the best football player on the planet and winning or sharing (1997 - with Detroit LIONS RB Barry Sanders) three consecutive NFL MVP's backs that fact up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFC_Championship_Game

[mraynrand]

Wolf saw his Packers make it to three consecutive NFC Championship games and winning two to go to the Super Bowl from 1995-98. Then Brett Favre was arguably the best football player on the planet and winning or sharing (1997 - with Detroit LIONS RB Barry Sanders) three consecutive NFL MVP's backs that fact up.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFC_Championship_Game

try reading a little slower, and you might get it the second time. "The main difference is that Wolf made it to a second Superbowl." Think, McFly, think!

[denverYooper]

try reading a little slower, and you might get it the second time. "The main difference is that Wolf made it to a second Superbowl." Think, McFly, think!

Woody is stuck on the ordering of events. The rise and fall of the team made a much smoother curve during Wolf's tenure. Under TT, the team's trajectory has not been as nicely described by a simple rise and fall, but his bag of marbles is nearly identical--save for his one steely where Wolf has an extra shooter with a big old crack in it.

If we're applying a simple binary scoring based on winning all of the marbles -- which for many of the gnashers and wailers is the only way to evaluate a season -- the score is tied.

[mraynrand]

If we're applying a simple binary scoring based on winning all of the marbles -- which for many of the gnashers and wailers is the only way to evaluate a season -- the score is tied.

I saw that two-part "A Football Life" and 'ol Vince Lombardi said he regretted his statement about winning is the only thing. I'm paraphrasing, but he basically said that if you give everything you have in pursuit of your goal, that's what ultimately matters. I agree, that's all a person can do, and all a coach or GM can expect. So when your best just isn't good enough, YOU'RE FIRED! HIT THE ROAD YOU LOUSY BUM!!!!

[ThunderDan]

HIT THE ROAD YOU LOUSY BUM!!!!

I didn't realize this was a Houston Oilers thread until now.

[mraynrand]

I didn't realize this was a Houston Oilers thread until now.

Dude had a lot of character/was a character.

[pbmax]

I saw that two-part "A Football Life" and 'ol Vince Lombardi said he regretted his statement about winning is the only thing. I'm paraphrasing, but he basically said that if you give everything you have in pursuit of your goal, that's what ultimately matters. I agree, that's all a person can do, and all a coach or GM can expect. So when your best just isn't good enough, YOU'RE FIRED! HIT THE ROAD YOU LOUSY BUM!!!!

I agree with him."Winning is the only thing" also lead to a lot of bad corollaries (2nd is first loser, don't believe in moral victories, defeat only teaches you how to lose, etc.) that tend to diminish what you can learn in the struggle but not yet successful phase of any endeavor.

[ThunderDan]

I agree with him."Winning is the only thing" also lead to a lot of bad corollaries (2nd is first loser, don't believe in moral victories, defeat only teaches you how to lose, etc.) that tend to diminish what you can learn in the struggle but not yet successful phase of any endeavor.

I think this why John Wooden was such a good coach. He would challenge his players to play the best thye could. Sometimes John would yell at the team after winning by 12 if the effort was lacking in an easy win.

He also got into an argument with Red Auerbach. Some reporter asked how some famous coaches got their players to play at a high level. Red said something like, "I demand 110% out of players every day." John Wooden replied, "By definition you can only achieve 100%. I am happy to get 90% from my players"