Arod makes a huge difference - he makes it a contest.Originally Posted by ThunderDan
So instead of scoring 10 pts, I see us scoring about 31 against them... yes, he makes a huge difference.
Our defense is still our defense - even with the changes and improvements we've made from last year... dunderdummy is still our DC - best he can be is okay; worst he can be is disaster.
45-31 Lions.
wist
The entire problem with your take is that you discount certain facts.
The defense was on the field for 40 minutes of the game. The offense turned the ball over 3 times and only managed 126 total yards of offense despite the defense getting 2 picks and 2 fumble recoveries (one for a TD).
The Packers D actually came to play that game, but was completely hung out to dry by the offense.
So saying "oh, they put up 'x' yards" ignores the fact that the offense never moved the ball and based on TOP alone the Lions were bound to rack up monster numbers.
Seriously, you can't be saying that the Packers defensive performance last T-giving was due to a lack of TOP??
What of a game where 2 great defensive teams slug it out to a 6-3 score?? Each team forced 8 punts... is forcing punts so out of vogue that it is considered fascist now??
TOP matters to some extent at the end of the game - after the defense has been out there for 75 plays, but if they're in the 3rd quarter, and the opposing offense has only snapped the ball 53 times, and have already put up 35 pts?? You can't fall back on TOP as a defense for the defense.
Guys running wide open all over the field, huge holes that RB's are walking thru for big gains... we gave up 241 yds rushing in that game - that's HS stuff.
Go ahead and try to defend dunderdummy - he's all yours.
wist
The power of your arguments are further strengthened by implying those seeing what all went wrong with that game are "fascist". And Dunderdummy. What eloquence.
Turnovers are a part of the game. Personally I'll take them and/or punts just as long as the other team doesn't score.
And then you're nitpicking the FG. Detroit's first score of the game. The defense tightened up and allowed a FG, keeping the game entirely within reach. I'm not saying the defense would have been perfect, they probably still allow in the ballpark of 24-30 points, but by that point in the season we also knew that the defense couldn't be leaned on like in 2010 to win games. The offense didn't do their job (4 drives were under a minute), the defense bent and then broke.
And I'm not defending Capers. I was (and still am) ready for him to hit the trail last season. But I am defending the Packers prospects this year at Detroit against someone who seems to be the resident "chicken little" and is trying to justify a ludicrous prediction using what happened in a game last year without Rodgers, with two really terrible safeties, and half a Clay Matthews.
Your attempted defense of our defense against the Lions in last year's 40-10 debacle is sorely lacking.
You said our defense wore down b/c the offense couldn't keep the ball - I showed how we gave up 169 yds and almost the entire 1st quarter of TOP - so you don't want to talk about that anymore??
Your argument that the defense wore down b/c of poor offense is off the table. They had the ball for 10:57 in the first quarter - not b/c of our offense, but b/c the defense couldn't get off the field. We got the fumble on the opening drive, but only after they drove 69 yds, and took 5:24 off the clock.
Were they jetlagged from the 16 hour flight over to Detroit??
Then on the second drive - that you celebrate ending in only a FG - they drove 80 yds and took another 5:33 off the clock.
Here are the running plays up the middle in the 1st Quarter:
1st and 10 at DET 45
J.Bell up the middle to DET 49 for 4 yards
1st and 10 at GB 34
J.Bell up the middle to GB 26 for 8 yards
2nd and 9 at GB 21
(Shotgun) R.Bush up the middle to GB 12 for 9 yards
1st and 10 at GB 12
(Shotgun) R.Bush up the middle to GB 9 for 3 yards (fumble)
Next drive, 1st Quarter
1st and 15 at DET 6 (after a Detroit holding penalty)
R.Bush up the middle to DET 19 for 13 yards
2nd and 2 at DET 19
J.Bell left tackle to DET 31 for 12 yards
(First and 15 from their 6 yd line, and we give up back-to-back runs for 25 yds??) What's wrong with that picture??
Some great defensive plays in the 2nd Quarter??
3rd and 1 at DET 32
J.Ross right end to GB 44 for 24 yards
3rd and 4 at DET 21
(Shotgun) M.Stafford pass deep left to R.Bush to GB 47 for 32 yards
2nd and 3 at GB 5
M.Stafford pass short middle to J.Ross for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN
2nd and 1 at GB 24
R.Bush up the middle to GB 1 for 23 yards (S.Shields; M.Burnett).
1st and 1 at GB 1
R.Bush left end for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
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The offense was putrid, and we were never going to win that game; but the defense was equally putrid from the first snap to the last.
wist
First, TOP covers the entire game. I never singularly pointed out the first half. Overall the defense kept the game "manageable" and then everything went further to hell (plus, if the offense actually did something with one of their possessions beyond 3 and out maybe the defense "looks" better).
Oh, and let's try this whole "reading comprehension" thing.
We saw the Jekyll/Hyde nature of that defense all that season. They'd show bursts of brilliance mired in runs of absolute mediocrity. Despite the offense generating a grand total of 3 points that half, they still "held" the Lions to 17 points despite the offense doing next to nothing. That being said, my main point is still along the lines of "trying to justify a ludicrous prediction using what happened in a game last year without Rodgers, with two really terrible safeties, and half a Clay Matthews." is crazy.I'm not saying the defense would have been perfect, they probably still allow in the ballpark of 24-30 points, but by that point in the season we also knew that the defense couldn't be leaned on like in 2010 to win games. The offense didn't do their job (4 drives were under a minute), the defense bent and then broke.
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