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    Quote Originally Posted by KYPack View Post
    Found out about a stud today from the twitterverse...

    When the Pack went in the tunnel, ST coach Bisaccia yelled up into the stands "How bout them Cowboys"? to a bunch of miserable Boyz fans and the laughter of the team. You go coach..
    Two guys who have had a very uneven season, Myers and Runyan played spectacularly. It looked like they were not up to par during the year, but got back on track in solid fashion in this ballgame.

    Joe Barry We did not play a two shell that much. We played Cloud, more on that later. It's a 3 deep coverage with two safties and a corner, That form of 3 high is called SKY. 2 corners and a safety high is called Cloud. somebody clip this out and send it to Greg Olsen who called our Sky set Cloud, so he'll know what he's talking about in the future. Barry played the 3 high perfectly and deserved a STUD rating after a very beleaguered season. The big example of this coverage was Savages pick. He rotated down exactly right from the 3 high and got a pick 6.

    Goddamn this was a great win!!!!

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    It looks like they were playing some sort of off man cover 1 scheme. I think savage was coming down to cover #3 and he had an opportunity to do something better. It looks like quay was matched on #20. Everyone else was obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RashanGary View Post
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    It looks like they were playing some sort of off man cover 1 scheme. I think savage was coming down to cover #3 and he had an opportunity to do something better. It looks like quay was matched on #20. Everyone else was obvious.
    Yeah, 59 blitzes. That was a cover 1 off man look. I can’t imagine what Dak was thinking??

    I went back and looked at the TV copy. When the slot shifted, Campbell moved over with him. Then the snaps came pretty quick and Campbell was blitzing. I think Dak expected man defense with two safeties. In that case, Cambell would have been occupied with the slot and the 2 receiver had leverage to get that slant.

    Savage did a great job disguising the cover 1. Campbell shifting indicated man. Dak thought he knew what he was looking at and thought his guy could win with that leverage and no one could be there because Campbell would be occupied on the other slant.

    It was a good disguise and caught them off guard. Having Campbell motion with the slot was really confusing.
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    Dak has wide eyes at that time in the game and they were pushing tempo down 3 scores at the end of the half.

    That was a great call by Barry. With Savage back, and jaire, and everyone else having a little more experience, Barry can do a few more things. He’s a good DC, just needed a little competency in the back so he could mix it up a little more and drift from base installs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RashanGary View Post
    Dak has wide eyes at that time in the game and they were pushing tempo down 3 scores at the end of the half.

    That was a great call by Barry. With Savage back, and jaire, and everyone else having a little more experience, Barry can do a few more things. He’s a good DC, just needed a little competency in the back so he could mix it up a little more and drift from base installs.
    Sorry but this is rubbish.. So when it goes bad it's all on the players but if it goes well it is Barry.

    You don't know what the call was. Maybe Savage freelanced and jumped the route.
    But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
    Sorry but this is rubbish.. So when it goes bad it's all on the players but if it goes well it is Barry.

    You don't know what the call was. Maybe Savage freelanced and jumped the route.
    Look at the Twitter link. It’s pretty damn obvious what the play was based on everyone playing cover 1 off man defense. Quay is the only one with a mildly questionable path and I think he’s baiting Dak to go to the flat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RashanGary View Post
    Look at the Twitter link. It’s pretty damn obvious what the play was based on everyone playing cover 1 off man defense. Quay is the only one with a mildly questionable path and I think he’s baiting Dak to go to the flat.
    Still doesn't address the main point.

    Bad play, players fault. Good play, great call by Barry.
    But Rodgers leads the league in frumpy expressions and negative body language on the sideline, which makes him, like Josh Allen, a unique double threat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThunderDan View Post
    Still doesn't address the main point.

    Bad play, players fault. Good play, great call by Barry.
    Having starters Jaire and Savage back means less blown coverages, more good plays, and the ability for Barry to call more complex defense.

    So yes, playing worse players is the players. Barry is good.
    Playing better players is the players. Barry is good.

    The consistent is Barry being good. The variable is the bad players playing bad and the good playing good.
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    The only way that play could have been better is if Campbell had masked his blitz better. Tom Brady would have sniffed that out. But if Campbell can have a little discipline, that’s a call that can surprise most quarterbacks. For Brady, that would typically be a sack or a lucky off schedule because he’d have seen Campbell blitzing and known something was off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RashanGary View Post
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    It looks like they were playing some sort of off man cover 1 scheme. I think savage was coming down to cover #3 and he had an opportunity to do something better. It looks like quay was matched on #20. Everyone else was obvious.
    Nope Justin, but at least you are learning the coverages and rotation.

    Let's go to the tape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnyMQX0951E

    This ain't no off man cover one. The deep guys are two safeties and a corner. This rotation is set up to give plenty of cover on Lamb. Savage is reading his keys and then plays his read on Lamb's route. Does he ever read that shit right, he jumps Lamb's route for the pick 6. In this cover the one safety goes deep to be the deepest of the deep, the other guy is Savage and the 3rd guy is the off corner covering that wide out and not part of this play. That's a sky coverage. Cloud is similar, Two corner and a safety rotate deep. It's used far less than in days of yore, corners are used more in different rotations.

    I see people yell about this all the time, but they just don't understand the strategy of zone coverage. ALL zones evolve into man (coaches call it iso) eventually. That's the point of them. To rotate guys into position to have leveraged coverage or to be in the right spot to give help at the right spot and the right time. Most Nfl coverages incorporate principles of both zone and man coverages in various combinations. There are any number of rules in the various covers as to who does what and who goes where. I make it a hobby to pick up on these coverages and the rules and changes in em. The way I figure it, I'm probably 10 years behind the average young NFL assistant. Making me only half a moron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KYPack View Post
    Nope Justin, but at least you are learning the coverages and rotation.

    Let's go to the tape https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnyMQX0951E

    This ain't no off man cover one. The deep guys are two safeties and a corner. This rotation is set up to give plenty of cover on Lamb. Savage is reading his keys and then plays his read on Lamb's route. Does he ever read that shit right, he jumps Lamb's route for the pick 6. In this cover the one safety goes deep to be the deepest of the deep, the other guy is Savage and the 3rd guy is the off corner covering that wide out and not part of this play. That's a sky coverage. Cloud is similar, Two corner and a safety rotate deep. It's used far less than in days of yore, corners are used more in different rotations.

    I see people yell about this all the time, but they just don't understand the strategy of zone coverage. ALL zones evolve into man (coaches call it iso) eventually. That's the point of them. To rotate guys into position to have leveraged coverage or to be in the right spot to give help at the right spot and the right time. Most Nfl coverages incorporate principles of both zone and man coverages in various combinations. There are any number of rules in the various covers as to who does what and who goes where. I make it a hobby to pick up on these coverages and the rules and changes in em. The way I figure it, I'm probably 10 years behind the average young NFL assistant. Making me only half a moron.
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    I shall wait until the “shutdown corner” (who shut down Charles whats-his-name) weighs in on this matter. The basics and strategies of the game must be learned and respected!!

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