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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    But will he report to Murphy?
    Asking the real questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smidgeon View Post
    Asking the real questions.
    I might have a hard time letting this go. Be prepared for Murphy consultation jokes next year in Game Day threads the first time they are behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    I might have a hard time letting this go. Be prepared for Murphy consultation jokes next year in Game Day threads the first time they are behind.

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    I don't like the setup either

    I kinda wonder if MM really wanted Ball but felt a lot of pushback...fans....MM...AROD....plenty of others.....so he went with the Personnell Guy and made him less powerful ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bretsky View Post
    I don't like the setup either

    I kinda wonder if MM really wanted Ball but felt a lot of pushback...fans....MM...AROD....plenty of others.....so he went with the Personnell Guy and made him less powerful ??
    I think Mike and the Pro Personnel guys were like Packer fans. Can we please sign a veteran corner even if they are terrible?

    And how about one pricey free agent a year Ted?

    Its hard to read the formerly current situation. They did that last year (it backfired of course) but I cannot read who talked Ted into it. It might just have been that he had an unusual number of holes on his roster compared to most years. He lost a Guard and TE he didn't think he would lose.

    I don't mind Mike giving Guteus Maximus a shopping list, but take what you get and make it work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    I think Mike and the Pro Personnel guys were like Packer fans. Can we please sign a veteran corner even if they are terrible?

    And how about one pricey free agent a year Ted?

    Its hard to read the formerly current situation. They did that last year (it backfired of course) but I cannot read who talked Ted into it. It might just have been that he had an unusual number of holes on his roster compared to most years. He lost a Guard and TE he didn't think he would lose.

    I don't mind Mike giving Guteus Maximus a shopping list, but take what you get and make it work.


    I was listeing the Packer best guy again today, who really was convinced MM and TT were at odds in terms of free agency and vet players to occasionally bring in

    He also noted how Eliott Wolf was in charge the NFL Draft Board, so to speak of available free agenty....and the best guys who weren't on teams after the season....etc....but his lists rarely got used

    They feel its near set in stone Wolf is not coming back.

    Noted how a couple years ago Detroit was very interested in Wolf as a GM but GB denied the interview

    Then two years later they pass him over for a guy who, title wise is below him

    It's time for Eliott Wolf to go elsewhere
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    I get the passed over and I get the guy with the lesser title got the job and the hurt feelings.

    But leaving doesn't provide him with more of an opportunity to prove himself. He would get to be uber personnel guy under Guteus Maximus including college scouting which is not his specialty. Oakland has McKenzie and his existing VPs plus the guys Gruden if bringing in. The Browns would be at best a lateral move and maybe if you turn it around you look like a genius.

    I buy that Wolf set the pro personnel board up and Ted rarely looked at it more than once. He didn't trade much and his FA forays were when he had a lot of openings (or a gigantic hole) which mostly did not happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bretsky View Post
    I was listeing the Packer best guy again today, who really was convinced MM and TT were at odds in terms of free agency and vet players to occasionally bring in

    He also noted how Eliott Wolf was in charge the NFL Draft Board, so to speak of available free agenty....and the best guys who weren't on teams after the season....etc....but his lists rarely got used

    They feel its near set in stone Wolf is not coming back.

    Noted how a couple years ago Detroit was very interested in Wolf as a GM but GB denied the interview

    Then two years later they pass him over for a guy who, title wise is below him

    It's time for Eliott Wolf to go elsewhere
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    I get the passed over and I get the guy with the lesser title got the job and the hurt feelings.

    But leaving doesn't provide him with more of an opportunity to prove himself. He would get to be uber personnel guy under Guteus Maximus including college scouting which is not his specialty. Oakland has McKenzie and his existing VPs plus the guys Gruden if bringing in. The Browns would be at best a lateral move and maybe if you turn it around you look like a genius.

    I buy that Wolf set the pro personnel board up and Ted rarely looked at it more than once. He didn't trade much and his FA forays were when he had a lot of openings (or a gigantic hole) which mostly did not happen.
    I thought about the point you were making in your second paragraph. The only thing I could think is that is where ego and feelings come in. If he were to stay, there would be the constant reminder that BG was chosen over him, or he might disagree on decisions, but not want to cause problems. So, the change of scenery gets you away from that, even if the job you are moving on to isn't any more highly regarded.

    The other reason to leave is to be a part of building something. Oakland is further along than Cleveland (duh) in their development as a franchise, but nobody has seen Oakland be a consistent power. If Wolf goes to one of those places and they become consistently good, then he is even more of a hot commodity as a GM candidate.

    Also, John Dorsey and Reggie McKenzie are much older than BG, and closer to retirement, so Wolf's wait in those two places wouldn't be as long, provided neither or both teams remain/become a dumpster fire and everyone gets fired. That's the risk if you are Wolf. Stay with the established Packers, who are having a momentary changing of the guard, or go to two places that are trying to establish a winning culture.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    I might have a hard time letting this go. Be prepared for Murphy consultation jokes next year in Game Day threads the first time they are behind.

    "I'm telling Mark on you ..."
    But does Murphy report to AR?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Oday View Post
    But does Murphy report to AR?
    They all do until he signs the next contract.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pbmax View Post
    They all do until he signs the next contract.
    Swede: My expertise in this area is extensive. The essential difference between a "battleship" and an "aircraft carrier" is that an aircraft carrier requires five direct hits to sink, but it takes only four direct hits to sink a battleship.

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