Midseason Night Grades

[Bossman641]

Wist, I'm not trying to bait you or anything, just curious what NFC teams you like at this point? If I remember correctly, before the season started you were singing the praises of Rob Ryan and the Saints D. They haven't looked too great.

I am guessing you like SF and Seattle? Or do you think Az and Dallas are for real?

[wist43]

Wist, I'm not trying to bait you or anything, just curious what NFC teams you like at this point? If I remember correctly, before the season started you were singing the praises of Rob Ryan and the Saints D. They haven't looked too great.

I am guessing you like SF and Seattle? Or do you think Az and Dallas are for real?

I think Rob Ryan is a hell of a coach... Capers isn't even in the same leage as Ryan. That said, I don't know what all of their problems have been down there. They damn sure shut us out in the 2nd half of the game last week - while Capers gave up 44 pts.

As for the NFC, I think Dallas is for real - as long as Romo is healthy and doesn't revert to his choke MO. Their defense is better than ours, that's for sure. Seattle will right the ship, and they at least have the potential to play lights out defense, whereas we don't have that potential at all; Arizona, I think we would beat them in Lambeau, in Zona it would be a toss up; SF has our number, and I suspect they'll right the ship enough to be able to whip up on us again if we meet in the playoffs; Philly is much like we are, although their defense is probably better than ours - Foles is a wildcard, he's certainly nowhere near to being in Rodgers class; and as of now - we're looking up at Detroit. Detroit has more weapons on offense, and they certainly have a much better defense - so we'll see.

The NFC is more flawed than anyone could have imagined, but I still see us lagging behind the top teams. The top teams all have at least competent defenses, and of course our defense is piloted by a guy who doesn't care about stopping the run. To Dunderdummy, it's either stop the run and get gashed big-time in the passing game, or play the pass and concede the run - stopping both isn't possible in dunderdummy's mind.

Philosophically, we're simply too weak and too flawed to win another SB with 1265's current makeup. I think Stubby has it in him to make the necessary adjustments - even if it takes him forever to get there; dunderdummy on the other hand is a hopeless case - he's such a huge liability, I don't see how we can overcome having him as our DC.

[King Friday]

As for the NFC, I think Dallas is for real

I don't. Their defense was the worst EVER in NFL history last year. You don't solve that in one season.

5 of their last 7 games are on the road. Teams will stack the box like mad in the second half of the season and force the Cowboys to throw the ball. Romo will start making mistakes. They won't even win 10 games.

[wist43]

I don't. Their defense was the worst EVER in NFL history last year. You don't solve that in one season.

5 of their last 7 games are on the road. Teams will stack the box like mad in the second half of the season and force the Cowboys to throw the ball. Romo will start making mistakes. They won't even win 10 games.

They lost to Arizona today, but Weeden was brutal... their defense is better than ours, their offense probably about the same - much better running game and OL.

The NFC is wider open than anyone could have imagined, but I still think the heavyweights will round into from by the end of the seaons. Anyone with a good defense can handle us, b/c if our offense is middling, our defense can't hold the fort.

Still, the NFC is very interesting this year... anything can happen, and as I said, Rodgers does give us a punchers chance in every game - we'll see.

[Pugger]

They lost to Arizona today, but Weeden was brutal... their defense is better than ours, their offense probably about the same - much better running game and OL.

The NFC is wider open than anyone could have imagined, but I still think the heavyweights will round into from by the end of the seaons. Anyone with a good defense can handle us, b/c if our offense is middling, our defense can't hold the fort.

Still, the NFC is very interesting this year... anything can happen, and as I said, Rodgers does give us a punchers chance in every game - we'll see.

Do you truly believe our offense is just middling?

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Do you truly believe our offense is just middling?

It was in the last game, an,d thats what wist is trying to say, and i agree with him.

If our offense isnt playing lights out, our defense isnt good enough (consistantly) to win us those games

Our defense is the anchor holding this team down, and it has been for awhile. Just why this defense is a giant rusting heap of scrap metal pulling us down into the abyss is still up for much debate

[pbmax]

I am amused by both the Rob Ryan love and the Packers' offense is middling theorizing.

Both opinions hinge on one game with a hobbled Rodgers. If that wasn't the case, the analysis is useless.

[Pugger]

It was in the last game, an,d thats what wist is trying to say, and i agree with him.

If our offense isnt playing lights out, our defense isnt good enough (consistantly) to win us those games

Our defense is the anchor holding this team down, and it has been for awhile. Just why this defense is a giant rusting heap of scrap metal pulling us down into the abyss is still up for much debate

IOC

This has been a funny season so far. Who foresaw SF and the seachickens losing to the Rams? Or the Bolts getting shut out by the Dolphins? I was surprised to see NE manhandle the donkeys.

[wist43]

Do you truly believe our offense is just middling?

No, I think we're an upper tier offense, of course. Rodgers is elite, and our WR's are very good.

That said, we've seen good defenses shut us down; hence, the comment that IF we are middling along in a game - we're in trouble b/c our defense can't carry the day. Is this news to any of you??