About to add Johnny Manziel to that list as well.Originally Posted by Joemailman
Good article on the subject listing all the great running QBs.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-best-for-now/
About to add Johnny Manziel to that list as well.
Good article on the subject listing all the great running QBs.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-best-for-now/
...until he slides......
Jimmy Graham ruled a Tight End. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap200...em-arbitration
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Yup, and the arbitrator made some shit up to decide - i.e. he was lined up as a TE when he was within 4 yards of a lineman. lol, what? I think it's a bad idea to draw that line in the sand. Stating the criteria gets back to the idea that coaches might be told where they can line up their guys based on what future salary they might command.
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Was that arbitration ironclad and binding?
I'd expect Graham's people to appeal that decision if they are able to.
.The Collective Bargaining Agreement allows Graham to appeal the decision to a three-member Appeals Panel within 10 days of the decision. The NFLPA announced in a statement they will "carefully determine next steps in this matter."
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
The arbitrator also cited his Twitter profile. Once again proving that everything you do and write down will evetually go on your permanent record.
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I don't know how to define a tight end, but I know it when I see one. Graham is a tight end.
I run block a little better than Jimmy Graham. I am declaring myself an offensive tackle.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
You are defining him based on his size. He is NOT a TE. He doesn't block. He doesn't try to block. They don't ask him to block. He is a WR who is a matchup nightmare. Too fast to cover with LB, too big to cover with DB.
Edit: He also was rarely on the field in running situations.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
You are defining him based on his size. He is NOT a TE. He doesn't block. He doesn't try to block. They don't ask him to block. He is a WR who is a matchup nightmare. Too fast to cover with LB, too big to cover with DB.
Edit: He also was rarely on the field in running situations.
No, I was lampooning Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart's often-quoted description of pornography:
I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description [hard-core pornography]; and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.
Concurring, Jacobellis v. Ohio, 378 U.S. 184 (1964).
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This ruling could end up helping the other top TE's in the NFL. Graham will likely sign a contract extension large enough to raise the franchise tag dollar amount for TE's.
I actually don't know that Graham is being hurt here unfairly. Last year he was 15th in the NFL in receiving yards. The franchise tag number for a TE is comparable to what the 15th rated wide receiver gets. Of course, Graham scores lots of TD's which also needs to be factored in. But I think it will be. Whether he signs an extension with New Orleans this year or becomes a FA next year, he will probably end up with a contract averaging 10 mil per year which is about where he should be based on production.
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in - Leonard Cohen
Graham is the prototype Joker.
The good blocking, pass catcher guy we all grew up with is a generational spot.
It's like the Jim Taylor FB, a victim of the evolution of the NFL to a pass oriented league.
Jason Witten, Heath Miller guys are the last of their kind.
Well played mauer....I should have caught that one, but I am annoyed by the fact that everyone seems to think he is built like a TE therefore he is a TE.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
I don't disagree. I think the position of TE is kinda gone in the NFL. Very few guys can block and catch. I would stop pretending to use TE's and simply run 4 wide, and then use U-71 when I want to mash.
I don't hold Grudges. It's counterproductive.
I guess you're right, and it's too bad, really. Witten in particular has always been one of my favorite guys to watch, loved seeing him release off a block, move 5 yards down field, catch a pass and find a seam for 10 more. And 10 years in the NFL, they still haven't found a pair of pants that fit him properly! In that mold was Bubba Franks, even if he (obviously) wasn't as good.
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Will he get that long term extension though? I can see NO making him play under the tag for a year, or even 2. Especially considering it's the lower of the 2 tags, the non-exclusive one. I think the only way he gets his money is if now that other teams see that he'll get paid as a TE, someone is willing to give up those 2 first rounders, moves in and makes an offer.
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I dont know that hes good enough for 2 first round picks and a mega contract
While he's not the most valuable player, he's elite at his position, in his prime, and most importantly, available, which is quite an oddity in this league. Generally see maybe 1 or 2 guys per season in that position.
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Seriously, you kids are taking photos in the bathroom?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...resting-photo/
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