Minorities in America

[4and12to12and4]

Can you believe that a black man and a woman are stealing 98% of the press this election? Wow, to think that the year I was born, 1969, blacks and women were fighting a HUGE uphill battle just to be viewed as equals to white males. This country was founded by immigrants, and it finally looks like it may embrace a minority as it's leader. I am so excited to be a part of this historic time. This election is the most exciting thing I have ever witnessed. A part of me thinks there is no way that a woman or black man could ever win a presidential election, then I study their opponents and wonder how either could fail. Republicans might as well sit at home and watch this election, because, there is nobody running that stands a chance at winning. The fact that Hillary and Barak are winning almost all the primaries is astounding and shows us that America's youth are decidedly sick and tired of being lied to and are actively looking for change. Whether or not either democratic nominee can offer that is yet to be seen, but the voice of America is screaming out and showing it's disgust ... FINALLY. This will be a historic year, and I may not choose my vote until my finger reaches out behind the curtain, but one thing is for certain, I will be choosing change, for good or for bad.

[MJZiggy]

Nice post and good point,. . .honey.

[4and12to12and4]

Nice post and good point,. . .honey.

Thank you, baby, and I still love you, sober. 8-)

[MJZiggy]

I could never forgive you for cheating on me last night with the Sassy Rat in front of the whole forum to boot....and with Tyrone too for that matter. *sigh* dissed for Vegas, gambling and escorts...

[4and12to12and4]

You know, I just wanna say, I was raised strict Baptist, and all my family are out of their minds with conservative lunacy. I used to believe in conservative values, and then I matured. I don't understand how "christian leaders" don't give a shit about the earth. They ridicule global warming, and then preach behind the pulpit that god is proven by the perfect "delicate" design of the universe. Well, if it's so damn perfect and delicate, then why aren't they concerned that we are messing with that perfection and delicacy. I grew up believing that republicans were the god fearing people, the party that cared about family and values, etc. and then I turned 30 and realized that they don't give a rats ass about the earth and all of nature. Hypocrisy. Double standards. I'm voting for Hillary. I just decided that now. I WANT a woman to be our President, if for no other reason, just to piss off the conservative extremists. (Most of my family).

[HarveyWallbangers]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

[4and12to12and4]

I could never forgive you for cheating on me last night with the Sassy Rat in front of the whole forum to boot....and with Tyrone too for that matter. *sigh* dissed for Vegas, gambling and escorts...

OVER HALF A GALLON OF CAPTIAN MORGAN BABY!!!! I'll do ANYTHaNG to make it up to you, you name it sweet cheeks!!!

[Zool]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

My point said much more coherently than I could have made it. Its all about the least smelly turd this year.

[4and12to12and4]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

Wow. I can't believe you are down playing the importance of this country choosing a black man or female as our leader. It's not about the issues this year, it's about a nation overcoming hundreds of years of segragation. Remind yourself of how women and blacks have been are still being treated in this country and around the world, and then tell me your "concern" is whether we get a universal health care system. I'm not saying I believe a damn word Hillary or Obama is saying, it matters not, all politicians are full of shit and bought by lobbyists, this election is about America proving to itself that we finally can act PUBLICALLY on our "belief" that all are created equal, bar none. Don't down play this historic time, it may change us as a nation in a positive way more than you can imagine, and I believe if one of the two become president, it will.

[4and12to12and4]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

My point said much more coherently than I could have made it. Its all about the least smelly turd this year.

Jesus, I had no idea so many conservatives were on this site. Wake up and read a book people.

[Zool]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

My point said much more coherently than I could have made it. Its all about the least smelly turd this year.

Jesus, I had no idea so many conservatives were on this site. Wake up and read a book people.

I had no idea you could make such sweeping generalizations based off two sentences. Interact with people much?

[Bretsky]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

Wow. I can't believe you are down playing the importance of this country choosing a black man or female as our leader. It's not about the issues this year, it's about a nation overcoming hundreds of years of segragation. Remind yourself of how women and blacks have been are still being treated in this country and around the world, and then tell me your "concern" is whether we get a universal health care system. I'm not saying I believe a damn word Hillary or Obama is saying, it matters not, all politicians are full of shit and bought by lobbyists, this election is about America proving to itself that we finally can act PUBLICALLY on our "belief" that all are created equal, bar none. Don't down play this historic time, it may change us as a nation in a positive way more than you can imagine, and I believe if one of the two become president, it will.

I just want good candidates; not too excited about this group. I fall more to Harv's view here. It'd be cool to have a female or minority president. But I'd want them to be very qualified. This year's group is the worst I can remember. Harv must be older than me; I hardly remember Carter or Ford :lol:

[Freak Out]

As long as we can finally take the plunger to the clogged toilet in the WH and start cleaning up this mess....maybe we can get a bunch of "turds" in Congress at the same time.

[4and12to12and4]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

Wow. I can't believe you are down playing the importance of this country choosing a black man or female as our leader. It's not about the issues this year, it's about a nation overcoming hundreds of years of segragation. Remind yourself of how women and blacks have been are still being treated in this country and around the world, and then tell me your "concern" is whether we get a universal health care system. I'm not saying I believe a damn word Hillary or Obama is saying, it matters not, all politicians are full of shit and bought by lobbyists, this election is about America proving to itself that we finally can act PUBLICALLY on our "belief" that all are created equal, bar none. Don't down play this historic time, it may change us as a nation in a positive way more than you can imagine, and I believe if one of the two become president, it will.

I just want good candidates; not too excited about this group. I fall more to Harv's view here. It'd be cool to have a female or minority president. But I'd want them to be very qualified. This year's group is the worst I can remember. Harv must be older than me; I hardly remember Carter or Ford :lol:

How on earth is Hillary not qualified. She was the first lady for eight years, and has been a senator ever since. She's probably more qualified than any nominee in America's history.

[BallHawk]

Wow. I can't believe you are down playing the importance of this country choosing a black man or female as our leader. It's not about the issues this year, it's about a nation overcoming hundreds of years of segragation. Remind yourself of how women and blacks have been are still being treated in this country and around the world, and then tell me your "concern" is whether we get a universal health care system. I'm not saying I believe a damn word Hillary or Obama is saying, it matters not, all politicians are full of shit and bought by lobbyists, this election is about America proving to itself that we finally can act PUBLICALLY on our "belief" that all are created equal, bar none. Don't down play this historic time, it may change us as a nation in a positive way more than you can imagine, and I believe if one of the two become president, it will.

So this election is about proving to ourselves that we are capable of changing and voting for a minority? :?:

At this point, when you vote for a candidate you are voting for the person, not their stance on the issues. Pressure within each party respectively has made about every candidate a clone of each other on the issues (nothing wrong with that) so it's not like when you are voting for Clinton or Obama you are voting for two different sets of ideals.

[BallHawk]

She's probably more qualified than any nominee in America's history.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Has The Captain made a return? :shock:

[Deputy Nutz]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

Wow. I can't believe you are down playing the importance of this country choosing a black man or female as our leader. It's not about the issues this year, it's about a nation overcoming hundreds of years of segragation. Remind yourself of how women and blacks have been are still being treated in this country and around the world, and then tell me your "concern" is whether we get a universal health care system. I'm not saying I believe a damn word Hillary or Obama is saying, it matters not, all politicians are full of shit and bought by lobbyists, this election is about America proving to itself that we finally can act PUBLICALLY on our "belief" that all are created equal, bar none. Don't down play this historic time, it may change us as a nation in a positive way more than you can imagine, and I believe if one of the two become president, it will.

I just want good candidates; not too excited about this group. I fall more to Harv's view here. It'd be cool to have a female or minority president. But I'd want them to be very qualified. This year's group is the worst I can remember. Harv must be older than me; I hardly remember Carter or Ford :lol:

I think Barako is a better choice than Jesse Jackson. Hillary will always put the fear of god into me.

[4and12to12and4]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

My point said much more coherently than I could have made it. Its all about the least smelly turd this year.

Jesus, I had no idea so many conservatives were on this site. Wake up and read a book people.

I had no idea you could make such sweeping generalizations based off two sentences. Interact with people much?



Wow, didn't wanna go head to head with you, Zool, I like to stay in good with commishes, but, I have spent more hours of my life reading and debating these issues than you can imagine. Interact with people much? Way too much actually. Makes you realize how narrowminded people are to their own situations. Wish I interacted less.

[Deputy Nutz]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

My point said much more coherently than I could have made it. Its all about the least smelly turd this year.

Jesus, I had no idea so many conservatives were on this site. Wake up and read a book people.

I had no idea you could make such sweeping generalizations based off two sentences. Interact with people much?



Wow, didn't wanna go head to head with you, Zool, I like to stay in good with commishes, but, I have spent more hours of my life reading and debating these issues than you can imagine. Interact with people much? Way too much actually. Makes you realize how narrowminded people are to their own situations. Wish I interacted less.

I understand a lot of the points you are making, but your last entry has me wondering if you like to frustrate yourself on purpose? I will use one of my famous quotes in this situation, "talking politics with people is like masturbating with a cheese grater, slightly amusing, but mostly painful."

[4and12to12and4]

Wow. I can't believe you are down playing the importance of this country choosing a black man or female as our leader. It's not about the issues this year, it's about a nation overcoming hundreds of years of segragation. Remind yourself of how women and blacks have been are still being treated in this country and around the world, and then tell me your "concern" is whether we get a universal health care system. I'm not saying I believe a damn word Hillary or Obama is saying, it matters not, all politicians are full of shit and bought by lobbyists, this election is about America proving to itself that we finally can act PUBLICALLY on our "belief" that all are created equal, bar none. Don't down play this historic time, it may change us as a nation in a positive way more than you can imagine, and I believe if one of the two become president, it will.

So this election is about proving to ourselves that we are capable of changing and voting for a minority? :?:

At this point, when you vote for a candidate you are voting for the person, not their stance on the issues. Pressure within each party respectively has made about every candidate a clone of each other on the issues (nothing wrong with that) so it's not like when you are voting for Clinton or Obama you are voting for two different sets of ideals.

OMG, you made my point for me. You admit that at this stage of the game, all nominees are puppets and don't give a shit about issues. That's a given, which is why this election becomes about America being able to free itself from its steriotype of "white males dominating EVERYTHING". If you guys can't see the importance of that, you aren't being very openminded. I can see by the few reactions I am getting here that most here are just like most people I deal with every day. You are white males in America and love it. Anyone who wants to impede you're comfort zone is either "crazy" or "drunk". Whatever. Just look in the mirror and know that you're opinions are based on truth and not bias.

[Patler]

How on earth is Hillary not qualified. She was the first lady for eight years, and has been a senator ever since. She's probably more qualified than any nominee in America's history.

I sure hope you are kidding with that statement. We have had many, many candidates as well or better qualified than that. For example, George Bush I:

Member of U.S. House of Representatives
U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations
Chief Liaison Officer to China (since we did not officially recognize China, he couldn't be the "Ambassador")
Director of the C.I.A.
Vice President for eight years.

[HarveyWallbangers]

4 & 12,

I'm guessing most of the books you've read are of the Chomsky variety. Would you have been as excited if it had been Condi Rice and Elizabeth Dole battling it out?

[4and12to12and4]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

My point said much more coherently than I could have made it. Its all about the least smelly turd this year.

Jesus, I had no idea so many conservatives were on this site. Wake up and read a book people.

I had no idea you could make such sweeping generalizations based off two sentences. Interact with people much?



Wow, didn't wanna go head to head with you, Zool, I like to stay in good with commishes, but, I have spent more hours of my life reading and debating these issues than you can imagine. Interact with people much? Way too much actually. Makes you realize how narrowminded people are to their own situations. Wish I interacted less.

I understand a lot of the points you are making, but your last entry has me wondering if you like to frustrate yourself on purpose? I will use one of my famous quotes in this situation, "talking politics with people is like masturbating with a cheese grater, slightly amusing, but mostly painful."

One Hundred Percent on point. Thank You. I just hate that in this day and age we have to keep quiet about the most essential points in life, because people can't talk reasonably without being offended. It's a sad state. I was taught at an early age not to talk politics or religion. I abided by that for years, and then said f it. Why should I shut my mouth about the most important things in life because someone might get mad and be an asshole. If that is the result, so be it, they will know how I feel, and that's all I care. If we can't enlighten one another, then why even speak. I don't offend easily, so if who I'm speaking to does, that is he or she's problem. It's called maturity.

[Bretsky]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

Wow. I can't believe you are down playing the importance of this country choosing a black man or female as our leader. It's not about the issues this year, it's about a nation overcoming hundreds of years of segragation. Remind yourself of how women and blacks have been are still being treated in this country and around the world, and then tell me your "concern" is whether we get a universal health care system. I'm not saying I believe a damn word Hillary or Obama is saying, it matters not, all politicians are full of shit and bought by lobbyists, this election is about America proving to itself that we finally can act PUBLICALLY on our "belief" that all are created equal, bar none. Don't down play this historic time, it may change us as a nation in a positive way more than you can imagine, and I believe if one of the two become president, it will.

I just want good candidates; not too excited about this group. I fall more to Harv's view here. It'd be cool to have a female or minority president. But I'd want them to be very qualified. This year's group is the worst I can remember. Harv must be older than me; I hardly remember Carter or Ford :lol:

How on earth is Hillary not qualified. She was the first lady for eight years, and has been a senator ever since. She's probably more qualified than any nominee in America's history.

I'm not going to fight about politics; truth be told I should have never posted in this thread as arguing about politics is frustrating and pointless because nobody's view ever changes. Personally I've seen little from Hillary that would allow me to entrust a country in here hands, but that is just me.

With that being said, I had this humorous email sent to me and seeing you think the world of Hillary I figured I'd post it for your entertainment.

I'll let you blast me for the post at will; it was emailed to me from a buddy in New York.

I'll retire now from here.

Cheers,
B

In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers this coming Sunday. Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sounds idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and 50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or State. When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef".

[Zool]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

My point said much more coherently than I could have made it. Its all about the least smelly turd this year.

Jesus, I had no idea so many conservatives were on this site. Wake up and read a book people.

I had no idea you could make such sweeping generalizations based off two sentences. Interact with people much?



Wow, didn't wanna go head to head with you, Zool, I like to stay in good with commishes, but, I have spent more hours of my life reading and debating these issues than you can imagine. Interact with people much? Way too much actually. Makes you realize how narrowminded people are to their own situations. Wish I interacted less.

I'm not trying to start anything tonight. I'll save that for tomorrow. But calling me a conservative, you couldn't be further off base if you tried. Especially based off what I said. Thats quite a reach. I'm also not a liberal. I'm one of those crazies that decides a candidate based off what their actions, not which party backs them in the election.

And as a few have said already, this years choices are not what I would call enticing. Maybe i need to preface everything with an IMO?

[4and12to12and4]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

Wow. I can't believe you are down playing the importance of this country choosing a black man or female as our leader. It's not about the issues this year, it's about a nation overcoming hundreds of years of segragation. Remind yourself of how women and blacks have been are still being treated in this country and around the world, and then tell me your "concern" is whether we get a universal health care system. I'm not saying I believe a damn word Hillary or Obama is saying, it matters not, all politicians are full of shit and bought by lobbyists, this election is about America proving to itself that we finally can act PUBLICALLY on our "belief" that all are created equal, bar none. Don't down play this historic time, it may change us as a nation in a positive way more than you can imagine, and I believe if one of the two become president, it will.

I just want good candidates; not too excited about this group. I fall more to Harv's view here. It'd be cool to have a female or minority president. But I'd want them to be very qualified. This year's group is the worst I can remember. Harv must be older than me; I hardly remember Carter or Ford :lol:

How on earth is Hillary not qualified. She was the first lady for eight years, and has been a senator ever since. She's probably more qualified than any nominee in America's history.

I'm not going to fight about politics; truth be told I should have never posted in this thread as arguing about politics is frustrating and pointless because nobody's view ever changes. Personally I've seen little from Hillary that would allow me to entrust a country in here hands, but that is just me.

With that being said, I had this humorous email sent to me and seeing you think the world of Hillary I figured I'd post it for your entertainment.

I'll let you blast me for the post at will; it was emailed to me from a buddy in New York.

I'm done in here.

Cheers,
B

In a news conference Deanna Favre announced she will be the starting QB for the Packers this coming Sunday. Deanna asserts that she is qualified to be starting QB because she has spent the past 16 years married to Brett while he played QB for the Packers. During this period of time she became familiar with the definition of a corner blitz, and is now completely comfortable with other terminology of the Packers offense. A survey of Packers fans shows that 50% of those polled supported the move.

Does this sounds idiotic and unbelievable to you? Well, Hillary Clinton makes the same claims as to why she is qualified to be President and 50% of democrats polled agreed. She has never run a City, County, or State. When told Hillary Clinton has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef".

That is humorous, but if you actually think you made a valid point there, I have lost complete respect for you. I don't "think the world of Hillary", if you read my post you will realize I am saying that if a black man or woman becomes President, it will change so many ignorant stereotypes in this nation. That analogy is exactly what it is suppose to be ... a joke. The comparisons are ridiculously off base. This woman has twenty times more political experience than Jack kennedy had, and she didn't just sit and eat JuJU beans while watching Bill run the country. She KNOWS the Senate and the White House backwards and forwards and knows how to deal with legislation. She is extremely intelligent and has Senate experience. Do I trust her? I don't know. But I trust her as much as I trust any other candidate. They are all full of shit to a point, which is why I figure we are better off with her, because if nothing else, we will have made a national statement that gender no longer matters. And that is a HUGE statement.

[4and12to12and4]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

My point said much more coherently than I could have made it. Its all about the least smelly turd this year.

Jesus, I had no idea so many conservatives were on this site. Wake up and read a book people.

I had no idea you could make such sweeping generalizations based off two sentences. Interact with people much?



Wow, didn't wanna go head to head with you, Zool, I like to stay in good with commishes, but, I have spent more hours of my life reading and debating these issues than you can imagine. Interact with people much? Way too much actually. Makes you realize how narrowminded people are to their own situations. Wish I interacted less.

I'm not trying to start anything tonight. I'll save that for tomorrow. But calling me a conservative, you couldn't be further off base if you tried. Especially based off what I said. Thats quite a reach. I'm also not a liberal. I'm one of those crazies that decides a candidate based off what their actions, not which party backs them in the election.

Same as I then. Good to hear.

And as a few have said already, this years choices are not what I would call enticing. Maybe i need to preface everything with an IMO?

Well, the FEW here that have spoken must not understand history. How can anyone act as if this isn't an unbelievable time in our nation's history. A WOMAN and A BLACK MAN are runnig and winning the primaries. To simply state that this election is 'hohum' nothing special, or noone that excites you speaks volumes.

[Zool]

That is humorous, but if you actually think you made a valid point there, I have lost complete respect for you. I don't "think the world of Hillary", if you read my post you will realize I am saying that if a black man or woman becomes President, it will change so many ignorant stereotypes in this nation. That analogy is exactly what it is suppose to be ... a joke. The comparisons are ridiculously off base. This woman has twenty times more political experience than Jack kennedy had, and she didn't just sit and eat JuJU beans while watching Bill run the country. She KNOWS the Senate and the White House backwards and forwards and knows how to deal with legislation. She is extremely intelligent and has Senate experience. Do I trust her? I don't know. But I trust her as much as I trust any other candidate. They are all full of shit to a point, which is why I figure we are better off with her, because if nothing else, we will have made a national statement that gender no longer matters. And that is a HUGE statement.

So you picked your least smelly turd specifically off gender to make a point? In an earlier post you said that people should "Just look in the mirror and know that you're opinions are based on truth and not bias." You're actually biased against white males if I'm reading you correctly.

"I can see by the few reactions I am getting here that most here are just like most people I deal with every day. You are white males in America and love it."

Excuse me while I pull out the silver spoon to reply to this one.

[BallHawk]

she didn't just sit and eat JuJU beans while watching Bill run the country.

There something wrong with candidates that like beans?

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/reference/jellybellies_files/image001.jpg

[Zool]

I was born a year after you, and I couldn't care less what color or gender the President is. I think the candidates that we will get this Fall are the worst we've had since Jimmy Carter vs. Gerald Ford. Just bad, and I can't get excited about any candidate on either side. It blows. Nothing wrong with having minority or female candidates, but I'd rather have two good, white male candidates over breaking some kind of ground.

My point said much more coherently than I could have made it. Its all about the least smelly turd this year.

Jesus, I had no idea so many conservatives were on this site. Wake up and read a book people.

I had no idea you could make such sweeping generalizations based off two sentences. Interact with people much?



Wow, didn't wanna go head to head with you, Zool, I like to stay in good with commishes, but, I have spent more hours of my life reading and debating these issues than you can imagine. Interact with people much? Way too much actually. Makes you realize how narrowminded people are to their own situations. Wish I interacted less.

I'm not trying to start anything tonight. I'll save that for tomorrow. But calling me a conservative, you couldn't be further off base if you tried. Especially based off what I said. Thats quite a reach. I'm also not a liberal. I'm one of those crazies that decides a candidate based off what their actions, not which party backs them in the election.

Same as I then. Good to hear.

And as a few have said already, this years choices are not what I would call enticing. Maybe i need to preface everything with an IMO?

Well, the FEW here that have spoken must not understand history. How can anyone act as if this isn't an unbelievable time in our nation's history. A WOMAN and A BLACK MAN are runnig and winning the primaries. To simply state that this election is 'hohum' nothing special, or noone that excites you speaks volumes.

I'm really confused as to what posts you're reading. No one said they didnt like the candidates because they are black or female. There's a very real chance that we'll have a woman or black man in the drivers seat next, but that doesnt mean that I like most of their views. If Obama was white and Hillary was a man, it wouldn't change my mind one bit. I won't vote for change for the sake of change when the country has some very serious issues right now.

[Deputy Nutz]

Let me sum it up, it is ground breaking that a black man or woman is going to win a democratic nomination for the first time in the history of this country. It is pretty amazing regardless of what you think of there qualifications. The world in the United States bubble is a changing.

4th, you need to chill you want others to be respectful and decent when talking politics, I think you might be walking a fine line between exuberance of your expressed views and disrespect for what others are trying to convey.

[Patler]

Well, the FEW here that have spoken must not understand history. How can anyone act as if this isn't an unbelievable time in our nation's history. A WOMAN and A BLACK MAN are runnig and winning the primaries. To simply state that this election is 'hohum' nothing special, or noone that excites you speaks volumes.

Apparently, I was already voting for Presidents when most of you were born. I experienced the civil rights movement first hand, riots, demonstrations, tear gas and all. The fact that many now take a "hohum" attitude to the minority presidential candidates is an unequivocal indicator that the country has passed the sterotypes that existed. The fact that people slough it off is a GOOD thing. The minority candidates SHOULD be treated just like any other candidate.

The truely remarkable times were when minorities were first becoming mayors of major cities, legislators, judges, CEOs, etc. When some first dared to even announce candidacy for President. Many of us think it is nothing special now because of those early pioneers, and the fact that we encounter minorities of all types in positions of power and influence every day. It is nothing special because the world has seen the Margret Thatchers and others on the international political scene for years.

It shocks me that you would think living in the White House somehow is vast experience when compared to the many candidates we have had with varied experience for many years and/or EXTENSIVE legislative experience. The fact is that Clinton and Obama are not very experienced at all.

I'm not saying there are not still prejudices, there always will be, and not just for women and minorities.

[Scott Campbell]

When we elect a minority or woman and its no longer a big deal, then you'll know we've arrived.

[Patler]

There was more controversy in 1960 over that fact that Kennedy was Catholic than there is today about a female and a black candidate. I look at that as a very good thing.

[MJZiggy]

There was more controversy in 1960 over that fact that Kennedy was Catholic than there is today about a female and a black candidate. I look at that as a very good thing.

That's because they're just a woman and a black man. If they elected Kennedy, he might have had to listen to the POPE!!! :shock:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Nice post and good point,. . .honey.

You are making Ty very jealous.

[4and12to12and4]

Well, the FEW here that have spoken must not understand history. How can anyone act as if this isn't an unbelievable time in our nation's history. A WOMAN and A BLACK MAN are runnig and winning the primaries. To simply state that this election is 'hohum' nothing special, or noone that excites you speaks volumes.

Apparently, I was already voting for Presidents when most of you were born. I experienced the civil rights movement first hand, riots, demonstrations, tear gas and all. The fact that many now take a "hohum" attitude to the minority presidential candidates is an unequivocal indicator that the country has passed the sterotypes that existed. The fact that people slough it off is a GOOD thing. The minority candidates SHOULD be treated just like any other candidate.

The truely remarkable times were when minorities were first becoming mayors of major cities, legislators, judges, CEOs, etc. When some first dared to even announce candidacy for President. Many of us think it is nothing special now because of those early pioneers, and the fact that we encounter minorities of all types in positions of power and influence every day. It is nothing special because the world has seen the Margret Thatchers and others on the international political scene for years.

It shocks me that you would think living in the White House somehow is vast experience when compared to the many candidates we have had with varied experience for many years and/or EXTENSIVE legislative experience. The fact is that Clinton and Obama are not very experienced at all.

I'm not saying there are not still prejudices, there always will be, and not just for women and minorities.

I agree with every point you make, but Patler, you have to admit that regardless of how far women and minorities have come in this day and age, it is a HUGE step if we actually elect either or as the leader of the most powerful country in the world. I mean, look how big a deal it was when Coach Dungy won the Superbowl That was a friggin' football game. This is arguably the greatest country in written history (besides ancient Rome). That is why am so pasionate about this. In a country run by white men, where even Tiger Woods had to overcome racial indifference, I am in utter shock that these two are even running, let alone winning the primaries. It is truly an amazing time in American history. That is all I am saying, and it seems as if some here don't realize it, or are opposed to it as so many of my racist friends are. Example, my wife has always told me that she doesn't want my daughters to marry a black man because "it would be a harder life for them". That argument had more weight 15 years ago, yet even then I knew she said it because she was racist. She still uses that argument today, and it's actually funny to me. That's why I suggested those here to look in the mirror and see why you really don't think it's a big deal that these two are so close to history, just look in the mirror.

[CyclonePackFan]

I agree with every point you make, but Patler, you have to admit that regardless of how far women and minorities have come in this day and age, it is a HUGE step if we actually elect either or as the leader of the most powerful country in the world. I mean, look how big a deal it was when Coach Dungy won the Superbowl That was a friggin' football game. This is arguably the greatest country in written history (besides ancient Rome). That is why am so pasionate about this. In a country run by white men, where even Tiger Woods had to overcome racial indifference, I am in utter shock that these two are even running, let alone winning the primaries. It is truly an amazing time in American history. That is all I am saying, and it seems as if some here don't realize it, or are opposed to it as so many of my racist friends are. Example, my wife has always told me that she doesn't want my daughters to marry a black man because "it would be a harder life for them". That argument had more weight 15 years ago, yet even then I knew she said it because she was racist. She still uses that argument today, and it's actually funny to me. That's why I suggested those here to look in the mirror and see why you really don't think it's a big deal that these two are so close to history, just look in the mirror.

For the record, I don't think it's a big deal. Yet. Is it a good thing that we have a woman and an African-American running for the highest office in the land? Absolutely. Is it significant? Definitely. However, I don't consider it a big deal until they win (as you said in the first sentence). There's an assumption in here that I'm not willing to make yet, that we as a country have come far enough that it really doesn't matter anymore. Just because these two are leading the primaries in the Democratic Party (which has a strong base in both women and African-Americans) doesn't mean it applies to the rest of the country. Have we come a long way since the sixties? Yes. Are we there yet? We'll find out. I personally still think there might be enough closet racism and bigotry in this country to keep either Hillary or Obama out of office. How many people are going to come out of the woodwork with the "Anything but a black man/woman" attitude? What does it say about the country if Barack or Hillary run and lose, or worse yet, become another RFK?

I'll reserve my excitement until November 5th.

[Patler]

I agree with every point you make, but Patler, you have to admit that regardless of how far women and minorities have come in this day and age, it is a HUGE step if we actually elect either or as the leader of the most powerful country in the world. I mean, look how big a deal it was when Coach Dungy won the Superbowl That was a friggin' football game. This is arguably the greatest country in written history (besides ancient Rome). That is why am so pasionate about this. In a country run by white men, where even Tiger Woods had to overcome racial indifference, I am in utter shock that these two are even running, let alone winning the primaries. It is truly an amazing time in American history. That is all I am saying, and it seems as if some here don't realize it, or are opposed to it as so many of my racist friends are. Example, my wife has always told me that she doesn't want my daughters to marry a black man because "it would be a harder life for them". That argument had more weight 15 years ago, yet even then I knew she said it because she was racist. She still uses that argument today, and it's actually funny to me. That's why I suggested those here to look in the mirror and see why you really don't think it's a big deal that these two are so close to history, just look in the mirror.

Sorry, I disagree. It is not a huge step. It is just the next step. There has been a protracted progression leading to the eventual election of a woman or a minority, whenever it finally occurs. The truly huge steps were taken years ago when women and minorities first became legitimate political figures. Once that happened, it was just a matter of time until one would be elected President. The fact that one most likely will be elected this year is merely anecdotal.

[Harlan Huckleby]

have to say I completely agree with Patler.

It's good to see a black or broad in the presidency, valuable symbolically.

But after all the shouting and celebrating is over, it's not going to change that much. It's not that critical whether the breakthrough is this year or 20 years from now. The broader movement is far more important.

India had a female leader 30 years ago. Didn't put an end to widows being burned to death on the funeral pyre of their husbands.

[HarveyWallbangers]

However, I don't consider it a big deal until they win (as you said in the first sentence). There's an assumption in here that I'm not willing to make yet, that we as a country have come far enough that it really doesn't matter anymore. Just because these two are leading the primaries in the Democratic Party (which has a strong base in both women and African-Americans) doesn't mean it applies to the rest of the country. Have we come a long way since the sixties? Yes. Are we there yet? We'll find out.

I disagree with this. If I felt either candidate was really strong, and they lost, then it would prove something. Hilary is the great polarizer. Whether she wins or losses has little to do with her gender, IMHO. Obama has a 1/2 stint as a Senator and no other experience on a national level. He's a much better candidate than Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, but I could see him losing a fair fight on his credentials alone. To me, Obama is like Colin Powell and Condi Rice in that they are impressive people who people want to do well--that aren't out to divide the country on racial lines (like Jackson and Sharpton have done). That's a step in the right direction. If Obama loses, it won't signal an end to his presidential aspirations. In fact, getting some experience on the Cabinet or something like that might bode well for his future prospects. I know Harlan is big on the Hilary bandwagon, but I believe there have been better female presidential candidates that have come along.

[HarveyWallbangers]

BTW, the whole theme of this thread seems to prey on a long-running concept of white guilt. I, for one, won't feel guilty about not voting for a black or woman candidate if I don't feel they are the best candidate or qualified to be President. When a woman or black candidate (or Hispanic, Asian, etc.) comes along that I feel strongly about, I'll have no inhibitions about voting for them.

[Zool]

BTW, the whole theme of this thread seems to prey on a long-running concept of white guilt. I, for one, won't feel guilty about not voting for a black or woman candidate if I don't feel they are the best candidate or qualified to be President. When a woman or black candidate (or Hispanic, Asian, etc.) comes along that I feel strongly about, I'll have no inhibitions about voting for them.

From now on Harv, when I want to say something and not come across combative, I'll PM you and you translate.

[the_idle_threat]

BTW, the whole theme of this thread seems to prey on a long-running concept of white guilt. I, for one, won't feel guilty about not voting for a black or woman candidate if I don't feel they are the best candidate or qualified to be President. When a woman or black candidate (or Hispanic, Asian, etc.) comes along that I feel strongly about, I'll have no inhibitions about voting for them.

From now on Harv, when I want to say something and not come across combative, I'll PM you and you translate.

Seconded.

[SkinBasket]

The fact that Hillary and Barak are winning almost all the primaries is astounding and shows us that America's youth are decidedly sick and tired of being lied to and are actively looking for change. Whether or not either democratic nominee can offer that is yet to be seen, but the voice of America is screaming out and showing it's disgust ... FINALLY.

Ummm... You do realize that the Democrats and Republicans have separate primaries right?

Hillary and Obama are winning the [democratic] primaries because they are the only two democratic candidates. They aren't running against anyone else - especially not a republican (I'm assuming that's the "change" you're referring to).

You think having a woman or black president will be revolutionary? I think it will be more revolutionary when more Americans understand the process of actually electing said president. Unfortunately we seem to be headed in the other direction.

[Freak Out]

The fact that Hillary and Barak are winning almost all the primaries is astounding and shows us that America's youth are decidedly sick and tired of being lied to and are actively looking for change. Whether or not either democratic nominee can offer that is yet to be seen, but the voice of America is screaming out and showing it's disgust ... FINALLY.

Ummm... You do realize that the Democrats and Republicans have separate primaries right?

Hillary and Obama are winning the [democratic] primaries because they are the only two democratic candidates. They aren't running against anyone else - especially not a republican (I'm assuming that's the "change" you're referring to).

You think having a woman or black president will be revolutionary? I think it will be more revolutionary when more Americans understand the process of actually electing said president. Unfortunately we seem to be headed in the other direction.

It's been headed the wrong way for some time now. Do they even teach basic civics in school anymore? Maybe the question should be does anyone pay attention?

[SkinBasket]

You know, at first I was a little sad by the quote above by 4thandalonglongwaytogotosane.

But then the humor of someone so earnestly and excitedly describing democrats winning "almost all" of the democratic primaries as "astounding" set in, and I do have to say I think it might be worth Americans forgetting how elections work if we can have more moments like this to share.

[MJZiggy]

Skin, you are one sneaky bastard. Gotta admire that persistence. :lol:

[SkinBasket]

Skin, you are one sneaky bastard. Gotta admire that persistence. :lol:

Sneaky like a fox or sneaky like the crabs? I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

[GoPackGo]

Obama, McCain, Clinton

There isn't a solid leader who deserves to be president in the group.
I'm not going to get caught up in the "first Black man or woman President" fever. I don't care what race or gender the next president is, they just need to be able to command the respect of the House, Senate, and other world leaders, relate with people from every income, fix healthcare, the national debt, and illegal immigration. I'm also not thrilled that America has become the world police. Bring all of the troops home except the ones that are in Iraq right now.
Is this to much to ask? probably. It seems like this country got in way over its head a long time ago.

[Zool]

No president has been a POW. Lets vote McCain to right that wrong.

[MJZiggy]

Skin, you are one sneaky bastard. Gotta admire that persistence. :lol:

Sneaky like a fox or sneaky like the crabs? I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

A little of both...it'll come to you eventually. Remember, Jesus is watching you. Apparently.

[BallHawk]

No president has been a POW. Lets vote McCain to right that wrong.

Just because he was a POW doesn't mean that he's fit to be Commander in Chief. Sure, I admire and respect the guy for all he's done, but kids come back from Iraq everyday with their limbs blown off. Why not elect them president?

[Zool]

No president has been a POW. Lets vote McCain to right that wrong.

Just because he was a POW doesn't mean that he's fit to be Commander in Chief. Sure, I admire and respect the guy for all he's done, but kids come back from Iraq everyday with their limbs blown off. Why not elect them president?

Thanks for reiterating my point.

[SkinBasket]

Skin, you are one sneaky bastard. Gotta admire that persistence. :lol:

Sneaky like a fox or sneaky like the crabs? I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.

A little of both...it'll come to you eventually. Remember, Jesus is watching you. Apparently.

No, I'm pretty sure it won't. My brain works on very limited resources, and I have no inclination to decipher riddles. Never mind. I understand. Look at that. I'm marginally less dumb than I previously thought. I thought what you're referring to was obvious. It has been weeks after all. Not as obvious as all the titties bouncing around here lately, but not really a riddle either.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Obama, McCain, Clinton

There isn't a solid leader who deserves to be president in the group.

Name three people you'd rather see become president.

EVERY election people claim all the candidates suck. Nobody survives a primary or general election without getting picked apart, fairly and unfairly.

[SkinBasket]

I would choose Flava Flav over Obama right now as a viable presidential candidate. I like his catchphrase more and he knows how to negotiate with whores.

[GoPackGo]

Obama, McCain, Clinton

There isn't a solid leader who deserves to be president in the group.

Name three people you'd rather see become president.

EVERY election people claim all the candidates suck. Nobody survives a primary or general election without getting picked apart, fairly and unfairly.

There aren't 3 perfect candidates that i have in mind, I'm just not crazy about the big 3. My vote is between Huckabee and Obama. Since Huckabee isn't going to make it that far I guess that leaves Obama.
I already stated what I expect my perfect president to accomplish (in 2 terms) in my previous post. I have very little faith that Obama or the others will be able to do these things.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Obama, McCain, Clinton

There isn't a solid leader who deserves to be president in the group.

Name three people you'd rather see become president.

EVERY election people claim all the candidates suck. Nobody survives a primary or general election without getting picked apart, fairly and unfairly.

There aren't 3 perfect candidates that i have in mind, I'm just not crazy about the big 3. My vote is between Huckabee and Obama. Since Huckabee isn't going to make it that far I guess that leaves Obama.
I already stated what I expect my perfect president to accomplish (in 2 terms) in my previous post. I have very little faith that Obama or the others will be able to do these things.

you only get to elect a human being. your only hope is to create a robot that you control. a manchurian candidate.

[twoseven]

What many seem to be trying to say is the two PEOPLE vying for the Dem nomination are not nearly as qualified as some would like. The history that might be made will be news for about a month, then our new leader will have four years of hard work ahead of them. Personally I am hoping the next President elected will be the most qualified to fix some problems. If they happen to be black or female, great, but I am more concerned about what they do, not who they are.

[Harlan Huckleby]

i want a black woman or nothing. Oprah!

[Harlan Huckleby]

Latino Lawmakers Upset Over Clinton Camp Shake-Up
By Patrick Healy

The anger in the Hispanic community over the ousting of Patti Solis Doyle as Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign manager continues to unfold, with two Hispanic legislators from Mrs. Clinton’s home state sending an open letter to her expressing their concerns. (They’re not the only ones voicing concerns.)

Given that Mrs. Clinton (not to mention Ms. Solis Doyle) spent months building a base out of Hispanic voters, does the move over the weekend — as Mrs. Clinton faced more losses — carry risks? Ms. Solis Doyle, the daughter of Mexican immigrants, was replaced by Maggie Williams, an African-American and a longtime, longtime Clinton adviser from their White House days. Ms. Solis Doyle has said that she will remain on the campaign as a “senior adviser.”

[Joemailman]

i want a black woman or nothing. Oprah!

I figured you as more the Star Jones type:

http://therecshow.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/fatstar.jpg

[4and12to12and4]

You know, at first I was a little sad by the quote above by 4thandalonglongwaytogotosane.

But then the humor of someone so earnestly and excitedly describing democrats winning "almost all" of the democratic primaries as "astounding" set in, and I do have to say I think it might be worth Americans forgetting how elections work if we can have more moments like this to share.

Funny stuff Creepy. U don't think I understand the BASICS of the primaries? Wow, what sad fucks do you hang out with. My point about these two leading the primaries is exactly as I stated it. Reread the thread. I've already thrown out the Republican candidates as modern day zombies, and that's being nice. U are in a very sad state if u think any joker on that side of the coin is even in contention. It's a two person race, and I'm not saying that because I listen to NPR (that's national public radio, creepy, sure you didn't know that :wink: ). Thus the poignance of my thought that either of the two sit in a scenery of historic magnitude unlike any in my lifetime. Deal with it Creep, a white man will probably give his seat to a minority in leading this "great" country forward. But, you know what? That's probably a good thing for the average white male in this country, they can start blaming the President for all their problems instead of mommy. Therapists around the country will be drinking the Captain along with me instead of their expensive wines.


Wow, that was a nice rant. I don't believe a third of it, but it had a lot of positives going for it. It should be critisized well ( as long as Skinny isn't the critic 8-) ).

[4and12to12and4]

You know, at first I was a little sad by the quote above by 4thandalonglongwaytogotosane.

But then the humor of someone so earnestly and excitedly describing democrats winning "almost all" of the democratic primaries as "astounding" set in, and I do have to say I think it might be worth Americans forgetting how elections work if we can have more moments like this to share.

Funny stuff Creepy. U don't think I understand the BASICS of the primaries? Wow, what sad fucks do you hang out with. My point about these two leading the primaries is exactly as I stated it. Reread the thread. I've already thrown out the Republican candidates as modern day zombies, and that's being nice. U are in a very sad state if u think any joker on that side of the coin is even in contention. It's a two person race, and I'm not saying that because I listen to NPR (that's national public radio, creepy, sure you didn't know that :wink: ). Thus the poignance of my thought that either of the two sit in a scenery of historic magnitude unlike any in my lifetime. Deal with it Creep, a white man will probably give his seat to a minority in leading this "great" country forward. But, you know what? That's probably a good thing for the average white male in this country, they can start blaming the President for all their problems instead of mommy. Therapists around the country will be drinking the Captain along with me instead of their expensive wines.


Wow, that was a nice rant. I don't believe a third of it, but it had a lot of positives going for it. It should be critisized well ( as long as Skinny isn't the critic 8-) ).

BTW, creepy, that nickname you gave me was hilarious, even I laughed at it, which pisses me off, but, good job, very creative, PRICK!! :lol:

[SkinBasket]

4th, you've got to chill out a bit. I actually don't think you do understand the primary process given your first post. You've got this whole, "I'm divorced and free for the first time in years" middle life crisis thing going on, but you've got to settle down or you're going to burn out the you'll end up naked in a dark corner crying into your pubes. If I've seen it once, I've seen it a hundred times. Before your freedom was won, you were on the verge of confusion vs foolishness. Right now you seem to be throwing yourself wholeheartedly into the pit of scatterbrained craziness, lashing out at anything that comes near you. Take a moment to get sober and set your course.

[Freak Out]

and he knows how to negotiate with whores.

What makes you think Obama hasn't mastered that art yet?

[pacfan]

This thread makes me miss TPB (TexasPackerBacker, for the post JSO crowd), Lamboo, GreenDay, TH87 and all those skirmishes over Bush, Kerry and the american way of life

(not enough to head back over, mind you)

I don't agree that this pool of candidates are not qualified. In the mix is a Naval officer, all US senators, lawyers, highly educated from reputable colleges. Years of experience working in various occupations.

Are they the best qualified? That varies on what YOU want as president.

We currently have a Yale/Harvard grad with a Wyoming grad (with time at UW-Madison) as his VP.

Personally I don't like Clinton for some of the same reasons the Harv posted eariler. I won't be voting for her anytime soon.

Obama intrigues me, while he lacks the national leadership exposure, but that doesn't bother me very much. Its not like he's the only person behind the wheel. The current prez ran businesses into the ground, yet...maybe not a good example. Anyway Obama over Clinton in my book, the guy can give some great speeches.

I like McCain, for reasons that some people don't. He has worked on solving issues and sometimes making it more important than party loyalty. Bipartisan efforts should matter more than blind loyalty to a party machine. I would pick McCain over Obama.

The minority issue; being a member of a group that is called a minority, it is a historic occasion. Will I vote for someone just because they are, no. I think the "historic part" has been beaten to death by the media.

[MJZiggy]

I think the fact that they are in the race is enough. Monumental. Ground breaking. Yet, from here on out we should be blind to the gender and race and vote on ideas and ideals and what they're planning on doing once in office and forget the rest of it as it seems some already have.

[Harlan Huckleby]

No president has been a POW. Lets vote McCain to right that wrong.

Just because he was a POW doesn't mean that he's fit to be Commander in Chief. Sure, I admire and respect the guy for all he's done, but kids come back from Iraq everyday with their limbs blown off. Why not elect them president?

Thanks for reiterating my point.


you're an idiot, Zool. How does being a POW qualify somebody to be president? Why, they might even be crazy in the head, like that guy in the Manchurian Candidate movie.

[Zool]

No president has been a POW. Lets vote McCain to right that wrong.

Just because he was a POW doesn't mean that he's fit to be Commander in Chief. Sure, I admire and respect the guy for all he's done, but kids come back from Iraq everyday with their limbs blown off. Why not elect them president?

Thanks for reiterating my point.


you're an idiot, Zool. How does being a POW qualify somebody to be president? Why, they might even be crazy in the head, like that guy in the Manchurian Candidate movie.

Not knowing you well enough, I'm going to have to assume you're joking. Otherwise I've lost what little respect I had for you.

[SkinBasket]

The way this thread is going, nothing is impossible.

[Zool]

The way this thread is going, nothing is impossible.

Abba Zabba you're my only friend.

[GoPackGo]

http://politicalpartypoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/obama11.jpg

Together, we can have a threesome.

-Mubarak Hussein Osama

[Harlan Huckleby]

no disrespect to the girls, but he's the prettiest of the three.

[the_idle_threat]

no disrespect to the girls, but he's the prettiest of the three.

Even if that's true, he's still thinkin Yes We Can. Maybe Flava Flav doesn't have anything on him after all. :lol:

[MJZiggy]

The way he's focused on the camera and not the girls says to me, "yes we could, but why?"

[LL2]

The way he's focused on the camera and not the girls says to me, "yes we could, but why?"

Oh...but he is enjoying the moment.

[4and12to12and4]

4th, you've got to chill out a bit. I actually don't think you do understand the primary process given your first post. You've got this whole, "I'm divorced and free for the first time in years" middle life crisis thing going on, but you've got to settle down or you're going to burn out the you'll end up naked in a dark corner crying into your pubes. If I've seen it once, I've seen it a hundred times. Before your freedom was won, you were on the verge of confusion vs foolishness. Right now you seem to be throwing yourself wholeheartedly into the pit of scatterbrained craziness, lashing out at anything that comes near you. Take a moment to get sober and set your course.


Thank you Creepy, I needed a dose of reality. I am amazed at you're insight to what's going on in my head without me even realizing it. I took the time to go back over all the posts I've had these past couple of weeks, and it is a testiment to all of you here for not hating me forever, (those who do hate me, I apoligize for my wayward behavior). Wow, I have been using the one source of joy that I can count on and abusing it. I am sorry to all, I am still trying to tame my own freedom I guess, if Mr. Basket is right. Disregard 99.9% of what I've said recently. In fact, hell, I don't like black people OR women!! @#$&*#@$!!!! What the hell was I thinking? J/K, I like black people. 8-)

[Harlan Huckleby]

4and12to12and4, your posts are fine. you aren't lashing out, that is BS.

95% of people just scan posts and forget about them 30 seconds later. A few individuals pick apart your words, give them a spin that may or may not be true.

[Deputy Nutz]

The funny thing is when people get divorced they sometimes fall into a sense of immaturity. It is like when your parents left you home for the first time and you decided to drink all their booze, have friends over, have sex with yourself in their bed, eat all the junk food you could get your hands on while laying naked in your beanbag chair.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I would say if you are recently seperated, beware of falling in love with women more than 10 years younger than yourself. It's not love and will lead to hell. If you fall for an older, overweight woman with bad teeth, maybe it's real, but best to stay on the safe side. Rebound sex should be strictly limited to sport fucking and masterbation.

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[SkinBasket]

I would say if you are recently seperated, beware of listening to Harlan about love and sex advice. I mean, you wouldn't ask a PETA member how to skin a mink would you?

[the_idle_threat]

I would say if you are recently seperated, beware of listening to Harlan about love and sex advice. I mean, you wouldn't ask a PETA member how to skin a mink would you?

I might, just for their reaction. :twisted:

[Deputy Nutz]

I would say if you are recently seperated, beware of listening to Harlan about love and sex advice. I mean, you wouldn't ask a PETA member how to skin a mink would you?

I might, just for their reaction. :twisted:

I am surely offended.