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[Harlan Huckleby]

Taps for HD DVD as Wal-Mart Backs Blu-ray

SAN FRANCISCO — HD DVD, the beloved format of Toshiba and three Hollywood studios, died Friday after a brief illness. The cause of death was determined to be the decision by Wal-Mart to stock only high-definition DVDs and players using the Blu-ray format.

There are no funeral plans, but retailers and industry analysts are already writing the obituary for HD DVD.

The announcement by Wal-Mart Stores, the nation’s largest retailer of DVDs, that it would stop selling the discs and machines in June when supplies are depleted comes after decisions this week by Best Buy, the largest electronics retailer, to promote Blu-ray as its preferred format and Netflix, the DVD-rental service, to stock only Blu-ray movies, phasing out HD DVD by the end of this year.

Last year, Target, one of the top sellers of electronics, discontinued selling HD DVD players in its stores, but continued to sell them online.

“The fat lady has sung,” said Rob Enderle, a technology industry analyst in Silicon Valley. “Wal-Mart is the biggest player in the DVD market. If it says HD DVD is done, you can take that as a fact.”

Toshiba executives did not return calls asking for comment. Analysts do not expect the company to take the product off the market but the format war is over. Toshiba had been fighting for more than two years to establish the dominance of the format it developed over Blu-ray, developed by Sony.

The combined weight of the decisions this week, but particularly the heft of Wal-Mart, signals the end of a format war that has confounded and frustrated consumers and that had grown increasingly costly for the consumer electronics industry — from hardware makers and studios to retailers.

Andy Parsons, a spokesman for the Blu-ray Disc Association, an industry trade group, said retailers and movie studios had incentives to resolve the issue quickly because it was costly for them to devote shelf space and technology to two formats. Besides, he noted, many consumers have sat on the sidelines and not purchased either version because they did not want to invest in a technology that could become obsolete.

Thus far, consumers have purchased about one million Blu-ray players, though there are another three million in the market that are integrated into the PlayStation 3 consoles of Sony, said Richard Doherty, research director of Envisioneering, a technology assessment firm. About one million HD DVD players have been sold.

Evenly matched by Blu-ray through 2007, HD DVD experienced a marked reversal in fortune in early January when Warner Brothers studio, a unit of Time Warner, announced it would manufacture and distribute movies only in Blu-ray. With the Warner decision, the Blu-ray coalition controlled around 75 percent of the high-definition content from the major movie and TV studios. The coalition includes Sharp, Panasonic and Philips as well as Walt Disney and 20th Century Fox studios.

Universal, Paramount and the DreamWorks Animation studios still back HD DVD; none of those studios responded to requests for comment Friday.

“It’s pretty clear that retailers consumers trust the most have concluded that the format war is all but over,” Mr. Parsons said. “Toshiba fought a very good battle, but the industry is ready to move on and go with a single format.”

Because movie and entertainment technology has become integrated into a range of consumer electronics, the high-definition movie format war has created unusually wide-ranging alliances. The battle included, for example, video game companies; Microsoft has backed the HD DVD standard and sold a compatible player to accompany its Xbox 360 video game console.

Sony has pushed vigorously for the Blu-ray standard, not just because it is a patent holder of the technology, but also because it has integrated the standard into PlayStation 3. Sony has argued that consumers will gravitate to the PlayStation 3 because of the high-definition movie player.

Any celebration over the victory may be tempered by concerns that the DVD — of any format — may be doomed by electronic delivery of movies over the Internet. The longer HD DVD battled Blu-ray, the more the consumer market has had an opportunity to gravitate to downloading movies. Such a move, coupled with the growth of technology that makes such downloading easier and cheaper, has threatened to cut into the long-term sales of physical movies in the DVD format.

Mr. Doherty, like Mr. Parsons, argued that digital downloads are not yet affecting the DVD market and that they would not for some time. They said that movie downloads face a host of challenges, chief among them that many consumers have insufficient bandwidth to download movies or move them from device to device on a wireless home network.

Mr. Enderle, however, argued that bandwidth was improving and that major telecommunications carriers, which are pushing to increase speeds, would like to be able to make their pipes the delivery mechanism for high-definition movies. Wal-Mart, Warner Brothers, Best Buy and all the others lining up behind Blu-ray realized they had to kill HD DVD — and fast, he said.

“The later it gets, the much worse it gets,” he said.

By contrast, Mr. Parsons said that downloading movies “is not a viable option now or even in the near future.”

“It’s something that will move very gradually in that direction.”

[twoseven]

Netflix has also committed 100% to Blueray.

[Joemailman]

I got a VCR recorder for sale - cheap.

[Freak Out]

I read somewhere that Toshiba and the boys are throwing in the towel. TBA next week if not sooner.

[Jimx29]

I got a VCR recorder for sale - cheap.$2 American?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Well, just like in a visit to a quality massage parlor, there is a happy ending. All those HD-DVD owners are getting a $600 stimulus check from the government just in time to buy a new Blue-Ray machine.

[Zool]

Just got my PS3 lastnight. Glad i held off till one or the other ended up winning.

[twoseven]

Just got my PS3 lastnight. Glad i held off till one or the other ended up winning.
Bought the HD DVD upconvert for the XBOX 360 (right before they backed the Blueray, I backed the loser, only bought one movie though), will eventually get the PS3 for the Blueray and have both covered. I am holding out until the PS3 puts out a game worth buying that the 360 doesn't carry, they're not there just yet, hopefully soon. :(

[SkinBasket]

Oh good. I thought I would have to find some dorks to ask, but you've come to me.

If you have an xbox 360 that actually works, do you have to subscribe to their on-line service to get game patches and updates or can you get those some other way without having to pay "the man?"

[Tony Oday]

I dont think you will have to purchase a PS3 in order to get a Blue-Ray you know that the powers that be at Microsoft arent that stupid they will make a blue-ray adaptable peripheral for the 360.

[twoseven]

I dont think you will have to purchase a PS3 in order to get a Blue-Ray you know that the powers that be at Microsoft arent that stupid they will make a blue-ray adaptable peripheral for the 360.
As a gamer, I would rather pay $400 for a PS3 and get the blueray to boot, versus throwing money at a future 360 peripheral or a plain old Blueray player. One day down the road when they aren't fleecing people for Blueray players I'll gt one of those too.

[twoseven]

Oh good. I thought I would have to find some dorks to ask, but you've come to me.

If you have an xbox 360 that actually works, do you have to subscribe to their on-line service to get game patches and updates or can you get those some other way without having to pay "the man?"
Dork? Sure. Whatever you say.

I do not have access to anything high speed where I live yet, can't speak personally about Xbox. I'm only online at 37K for chrissakes. But I am pretty sure the answer is YES, you have to be paying the 10-15 bucks monthly for Xbox Live to download anything, access patches. Get on there and get your ass kicked around by some 5th graders at Halo 3, just what you need.

[SkinBasket]

Oh good. I thought I would have to find some dorks to ask, but you've come to me.

If you have an xbox 360 that actually works, do you have to subscribe to their on-line service to get game patches and updates or can you get those some other way without having to pay "the man?"
Dork? Sure. Whatever you say.

I do not have access to anything high speed where I live yet, can't speak personally about Xbox. I'm only online at 37K for chrissakes. But I am pretty sure the answer is YES, you have to be paying the 10-15 bucks monthly for Xbox Live to download anything, access patches. Get on there and get your ass kicked around by some 5th graders at Halo 3, just what you need.

Don't be so sensitive. You'll end up like Partial.

There's a few games that interest me on 360. I'm not a big fan of on-line play though, even when it's free, so I sure as shit don't want to be paying 10 bucks for a month's subscription whenever there's a patch for a game I own.

Fuck it, I'm breaking my Atari Lynx out of storage. California Games owns Bioshock anyway.

[twoseven]

Oh good. I thought I would have to find some dorks to ask, but you've come to me.

If you have an xbox 360 that actually works, do you have to subscribe to their on-line service to get game patches and updates or can you get those some other way without having to pay "the man?"
Dork? Sure. Whatever you say.

I do not have access to anything high speed where I live yet, can't speak personally about Xbox. I'm only online at 37K for chrissakes. But I am pretty sure the answer is YES, you have to be paying the 10-15 bucks monthly for Xbox Live to download anything, access patches. Get on there and get your ass kicked around by some 5th graders at Halo 3, just what you need.

Don't be so sensitive. You'll end up like Partial.

There's a few games that interest me on 360. I'm not a big fan of on-line play though, even when it's free, so I sure as shit don't want to be paying 10 bucks for a month's subscription whenever there's a patch for a game I own.

Fuck it, I'm breaking my Atari Lynx out of storage. California Games owns Bioshock anyway.
Sensitive like Partial? Them's fightin' words, ass.

I only buy from the store, obviously with no Live. But I can reccomend quite a few, I only buy the highest rated games so as not to piss away $60 and get months out of each one if I so choose. If that's what you're looking for check out Gamespot.com, read the reviews in Xbox section, click the 'score' link at the top of the page to arrange them best to worst, don't mess with anything less than 8.8/10 and you'll get your money's worth. I have played through several of the top ten on their list.

Bioshock is one of the best games I've ever played.

[SkinBasket]

Really it's only Bioshock, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect and Too Human that's made me consider the 360. I wouldn't mind picking up the cross platform games that run better on the 360 too. The idea a multiple DVD game kind of makes me feel all 1999 though.

[Partial]

Really it's only Bioshock, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect and Too Human that's made me consider the 360. I wouldn't mind picking up the cross platform games that run better on the 360 too. The idea a multiple DVD game kind of makes me feel all 1999 though.

How can you have all that time to play all those games when you're so busy working your job of SAHD in addition to the 15 posts a day you've been making lately.

[SkinBasket]

I've got nothing but time partial. I'm on vacation, remember? You going to start counting how many times my cat takes a shit and start a poll about that too you creepy little turd?

[Partial]

I'm just saying mr. busy beaver. I don't have time to dilly dally with video games and you claimed my life was a cake walk.

[twoseven]

Really it's only Bioshock, Lost Odyssey, Mass Effect and Too Human that's made me consider the 360. I wouldn't mind picking up the cross platform games that run better on the 360 too. The idea a multiple DVD game kind of makes me feel all 1999 though.
Haven't heard of Lost Odysssy, Mass Effect, or Too Human.

Can Highly suggest Bioshock, Gears of War, Oblivion, Halo 3, Call Of Duty 3. I've got Assasin's Creed waiting to be played, that's supposed to be good too.

Bioshock was the coolest, most dark, demented, smart, violent thing I have ever played. Finished it and started right back up again.

[BallHawk]

If you have an xbox 360 that actually works, do you have to subscribe to their on-line service to get game patches and updates or can you get those some other way without having to pay "the man?"

Sign up for a free silver membership and you're good to go.

[twoseven]

Lost Odyssey, review not so hot.

Mass Effect, ehh, maybe.

Too Human, not out yet.

Looks like you're into the Sci-fi RPGs. Bioshock is a first person shooter, plays kind of like an RPG because you are better off sneaking around and outsmarting enemies versus outshooting them. But there's more killing in Bioshock than most I've played, and the twisted ways you can kill make it unique.

[Zool]

Mass Effect is damned good. Rockband is for both platforms so thats not an issue.

There's already rumors of a BluRay peripheral for the 360, but I didnt bother. Sure the 360 has a better game selection, but it does have more than a years head start.

Movies in BluRay at 1080p are ridiculous. I cant get over how clean it all is, and the PS3 never hiccups or slows down. Havent been able to see any ghosting on my TV either. I'm very happy. Too bad they give you that heap of shit Spiderman3 as the free movie. It sucks so bad, I had to just fast forward through to the action scenes. Much like Skinemax on DVR.

[Harlan Huckleby]

jeez, I thought most people were interested in High Def for viewing movies.

All the talk is about video games.

I think I'm gonna go kill myself.

[twoseven]

jeez, I thought most people were interested in High Def for viewing movies.

All the talk is about video games.

I think I'm gonna go kill myself.
When you're already watching everything else in HD, how interesting are the movies for $30 bucks a pop from a player or add-on that's 150-400 more? The difference between my HBO HD and HD DVD I've watched is minimal, almost no difference. Blureay at 1080p may be a bit better, I'll have to wait and see, but it's still just a movie. I'd rather play something that looks like an HD movie and the games are often taking more advantage of the surround sound as well.

[twoseven]

Mass Effect is damned good. Rockband is for both platforms so thats not an issue.

There's already rumors of a BluRay peripheral for the 360, but I didnt bother. Sure the 360 has a better game selection, but it does have more than a years head start.

Movies in BluRay at 1080p are ridiculous. I cant get over how clean it all is, and the PS3 never hiccups or slows down. Havent been able to see any ghosting on my TV either. I'm very happy. Too bad they give you that heap of shit Spiderman3 as the free movie. It sucks so bad, I had to just fast forward through to the action scenes. Much like Skinemax on DVR.
Does your HDTV have to support 1080p to get this best picture quality out of the Blueray? How does the Blueray look as compared to the regular HD programming (I assume) that you have? I don't think my TV supports higher than 1080i, it's 1 1/2 years old, what a fossil. :roll:

Are the PS3 controllers WIRELESS?

[SkinBasket]

Mass Effect is damned good. Rockband is for both platforms so thats not an issue.

There's already rumors of a BluRay peripheral for the 360, but I didnt bother. Sure the 360 has a better game selection, but it does have more than a years head start.

Movies in BluRay at 1080p are ridiculous. I cant get over how clean it all is, and the PS3 never hiccups or slows down. Havent been able to see any ghosting on my TV either. I'm very happy. Too bad they give you that heap of shit Spiderman3 as the free movie. It sucks so bad, I had to just fast forward through to the action scenes. Much like Skinemax on DVR.
Does your HDTV have to support 1080p to get this best picture quality out of the Blueray? How does the Blueray look as compared to the regular HD programming (I assume) that you have? I don't think my TV supports higher than 1080i, it's 1 1/2 years old, what a fossil. :roll:

Are the PS3 controllers WIRELESS?

I've got the PS3 on 1080p, and you can tell the difference on BR movies. Some of the older movies (up til about a year ago) weren't mastered for shit, so they're hit or miss, but now the studios know they can't fudge scenes and the quality's coming up.

The BR is better than the 1080i or 720p programming. There are some people that still don't see the difference, but even my wife, who couldn't tell the difference between Mayo and Miracle Whip, admitted the difference between a recent movie at 720p and 1080p.

The controllers are wireless, have enough range to work from any point in my house, and charge on any USB port you might have around.

[SkinBasket]

I'm just saying mr. busy beaver. I don't have time to dilly dally with video games and you claimed my life was a cake walk.

You're making that little growling noise again...

[Scott Campbell]

I think I'm gonna go kill myself.


No, please don't. :bs:

[Joemailman]

jeez, I thought most people were interested in High Def for viewing movies.

All the talk is about video games.

I think I'm gonna go kill myself.

Wait! Hillary needs your vote!

[Scott Campbell]

.......

[Scott Campbell]

Does your HDTV have to support 1080p to get this best picture quality out of the Blueray? How does the Blueray look as compared to the regular HD programming (I assume) that you have? I don't think my TV supports higher than 1080i, it's 1 1/2 years old, what a fossil. :roll:


Yes, you may see a somewhat better picture on a 1080p set. But I doubt you'll see much difference. The jump from 480P (standard def movies) to 720P/1080i is staggering. The jump from there to 1080p is real, but not by the same factor. And depending upon the size of your set, viewing distance, quality of the source material and your own eyesight, you may not see any of the extra resolution on a 1080p set vs a 720p/1080i set. It depends on these 4 variables, and its not an easy answer. If your sitting more than 10 feet away from a 50 inch set, you're not going to be able to see the difference between 1080p and 720p/1080i. But on a 60 inch set, you might.

Blueray should look spectacular on your HDTV.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Blureay at 1080p may be a bit better, I'll have to wait and see, but it's still just a movie. I'd rather play something that looks like an HD movie and the games are often taking more advantage of the surround sound as well.

(I agree, movies are just marginally better in HD, and also agree that 1080 might show difference.)

You'd rather play something? You're from Hudson, they got a beautiful YMCA there that I swim at on my trips back to the old country. What about playing some basketball at the Y? You might make a new friend, or break somebody's jaw with an elbow. Something might happen!! For sure you'll feel alive from the physical activity.

I think video gaming is the lowest form of human activity. Porn viewing is only marginally better, and similar in effect. I'll watch porn for the ocasional, actually rare, inspiration. But it just gets more and more boring and routine. You get lulled into a stupor, always hoping/searching for the next scene that will cause some endorphins to pop into your bloodstream.

Video games are a similarly stupid addiction that leave you with no memories, no mental or physical growth. Even if you are just sitting down and watching a movie it at least has a chance of being a memorable experience. You might learn something. People read books and remember them all their lives, they stimulate imagination.

Video games & porn = slow death.

[SkinBasket]

Video games & porn = slow death.

I would say that's better than a quick death without porn or video games. In fact, your way seems kind of like a lose lose.

[Partial]

Does your HDTV have to support 1080p to get this best picture quality out of the Blueray? How does the Blueray look as compared to the regular HD programming (I assume) that you have? I don't think my TV supports higher than 1080i, it's 1 1/2 years old, what a fossil. :roll:


Yes, you may see a somewhat better picture on a 1080p set. But I doubt you'll see much difference. The jump from 480P (standard def movies) to 720P/1080i is staggering. The jump from there to 1080p is real, but not by the same factor. And depending upon the size of your set, viewing distance, quality of the source material and your own eyesight, you may not see any of the extra resolution on a 1080p set vs a 720p/1080i set. It depends on these 4 variables, and its not an easy answer. If your sitting more than 10 feet away from a 50 inch set, you're not going to be able to see the difference between 1080p and 720p/1080i. But on a 60 inch set, you might.

Blueray should look spectacular on your HDTV.

Exactly. That is why I think Skin and others are full of shit unless they've got some really big ass TVs.

[SkinBasket]

Exactly. That is why I think Skin and others are full of shit unless they've got some really big ass TVs.

It's 56 inches at 12 feet douchehole and it doesn't take much to see the difference. Of course I speak from experience while you talk from, well... I'm guessing your ass as usual.

I know others have suggested this to you before, but maybe you should know what you're talking about before you talk about other people being "full of shit." Of course, that would severely limit your topics of conversation, but it would save us all a lot of trouble.

[Partial]

I stand corrected, then. You should notice an ever so slight difference that one could only decipher if they had picture perfect vision. I guess I'm an idiot for joining the masses who think 1080p is ridiculous, makes most sources look like shit, am smart enough to know it won't be broadcasted until your panel is outdated, etc.

On a side note, maybe you can use my tax dollars your two daughters are stealing on some more video games that you can play during the day instead of working. Must be nice to live a life of luxury while your wife slaves away at a lawfirm.

[twoseven]

Blureay at 1080p may be a bit better, I'll have to wait and see, but it's still just a movie. I'd rather play something that looks like an HD movie and the games are often taking more advantage of the surround sound as well.

(I agree, movies are just marginally better in HD, and also agree that 1080 might show difference.)

You'd rather play something? You're from Hudson, they got a beautiful YMCA there that I swim at on my trips back to the old country. What about playing some basketball at the Y? You might make a new friend, or break somebody's jaw with an elbow. Something might happen!! For sure you'll feel alive from the physical activity.
So I am not physically active enough because I play a video game now and then?

I get up at about 3am every day, at 5am I make an hour drive to a gym west of minneapolis where I work as a personal trainer, 600 miles every week in my car just to get to and from work. I've spent 20 years of my life in one gym or another helping OTHER people stay healthy, when I'm not helping them I am putting myself through 6 days a week of my own workouts, a lifestyle left over from competitive athletics that extended to and throughout college and beyond. When I get home from my work in the early afternoon I watch after my 5 dogs and 2 kids and I play Mr. Mom until my wife comes home.

Thanks for the advice on being more active, but I don't need any help.

So, if I choose every now and then to play a video game for some escape time after everything else I actually do in a given week, hey pal, I've earned it. I don't expect you to like it or agree with it. It's for me.

[Partial]

600 miles is insane. You should really go ahead and move closer.

[twoseven]

600 miles is insane. You should really go ahead and move closer.
I am already in my dream house on my dream property. When my kids get older I'll turn my work attention more fully to my own town and then can look to let minny fade away if I so choose. Drive doesn't bother me at all, but it is a bitch at the pump. Reality is there's a big difference with what I do in the MN metro versus over here. The market over there is prime whereas over here in Hudson it's fledgling at best.

[Harlan Huckleby]

So, if I choose every now and then to play a video game for some escape time after everything else I actually do in a given week, hey pal, I've earned it. I don't expect you to like it or agree with it. It's for me.

:lol: I wasn't actually judging you. Or anybody that plays video games. To me they seem like a god-awful waste of time.

[GrnBay007]

:lol: I wasn't actually judging you. Or anybody that plays video games. To me they seem like a god-awful waste of time.

Some may think your blow up doll is a waste of time too.




omg, did I just type that???? :oops:

LOL :P :wink:

People need to lighten up here!!!!

[Harlan Huckleby]

I expect to catch some shit for making fun of video games, it's ok.

[GrnBay007]

I expect to catch some shit for making fun of video games, it's ok.

I don't play them....but I couldn't pass up that opportunity. :D

[Harlan Huckleby]

I don't play them....but I couldn't pass up that opportunity. :D

ya, but you buy them for your son, you bad mother.

tuck the kid away in the den with the Wii while you entertain your lovers.

[GrnBay007]

ya, but you buy them for your son, you bad mother.


You are right!!! I should be spending 100% of my time with him when we are not at work and school rather than the 90% I spend with him. I will try to be a better mother!!!! Thanks for getting me back on track HH....you da man!! 8-)

[Scott Campbell]

Does your HDTV have to support 1080p to get this best picture quality out of the Blueray? How does the Blueray look as compared to the regular HD programming (I assume) that you have? I don't think my TV supports higher than 1080i, it's 1 1/2 years old, what a fossil. :roll:


Yes, you may see a somewhat better picture on a 1080p set. But I doubt you'll see much difference. The jump from 480P (standard def movies) to 720P/1080i is staggering. The jump from there to 1080p is real, but not by the same factor. And depending upon the size of your set, viewing distance, quality of the source material and your own eyesight, you may not see any of the extra resolution on a 1080p set vs a 720p/1080i set. It depends on these 4 variables, and its not an easy answer. If your sitting more than 10 feet away from a 50 inch set, you're not going to be able to see the difference between 1080p and 720p/1080i. But on a 60 inch set, you might.

Blueray should look spectacular on your HDTV.

Exactly. That is why I think Skin and others are full of shit unless they've got some really big ass TVs.


Keep in mind that there could differences in eyesight or source material skewing individual results.

[SkinBasket]

I stand corrected, then. You should notice an ever so slight difference that one could only decipher if they had picture perfect vision. I guess I'm an idiot for joining the masses who think 1080p is ridiculous, makes most sources look like shit, am smart enough to know it won't be broadcasted until your panel is outdated, etc.

On a side note, maybe you can use my tax dollars your two daughters are stealing on some more video games that you can play during the day instead of working. Must be nice to live a life of luxury while your wife slaves away at a lawfirm.

Partial. You are right. You are an idiot. Refer to previous post about talking about shit you don't know anything about. I can tell they taught yo everything you need to know about 1080p at Sears.

I know it's hard for you to go 3 days without making yourself look like a more ignorant asshole lately, but I'm all for you continuing to make an effort at improvement. Go for 4 days. Then we'll see if you can make 5, cupcake.

Go rest up for your hard knock life, Partial. Poor, poor Partial. I'll pray to Ron Paul to save your tortured soul tonight.

[GrnBay007]

On a side note, maybe you can use my tax dollars your two daughters are stealing on some more video games that you can play during the day instead of working. Must be nice to live a life of luxury while your wife slaves away at a lawfirm.

Not cool. What's up with all the low blows lately?

Seriously Partial, you are young and you are stepping on ground you know nothing about...with not being married and having small children. To have one parent home with the kids before they are in school is priceless. Trust me...just to try to accomplish that we worked opposite shifts and that was rough on the marriage. I feel you will change your tune when/if you have a child and you will have more respect for those that do stay at home and care for the kids.

[SkinBasket]

Not cool. What's up with all the low blows lately?

Partial thinks he's 5'11" so he considers the blows above the waist. :D

[Partial]

On a side note, maybe you can use my tax dollars your two daughters are stealing on some more video games that you can play during the day instead of working. Must be nice to live a life of luxury while your wife slaves away at a lawfirm.

Not cool. What's up with all the low blows lately?

Seriously Partial, you are young and you are stepping on ground you know nothing about...with not being married and having small children. To have one parent home with the kids before they are in school is priceless. Trust me...just to try to accomplish that we worked opposite shifts and that was rough on the marriage. I feel you will change your tune when/if you have a child and you will have more respect for those that do stay at home and care for the kids.

I am referencing where Skin accused me of "stealing" his tax dollars despite him not having a real job. He says he worked 6 years, I am 22 and put in more years of work than him!!

Skin talked about how I should work at my job, and talked about how busy he is and how he maybe has 5 minutes a day to himself to post. 15-20 posts a day later typically spread out over 15-20 minute periods which he can read threads disagrees with his bullshit lies.

I don't have any problems with how the idiot chooses to live his life, its when he accuses me of stealing his tax dollars that gets me.

[Partial]

Not cool. What's up with all the low blows lately?

Partial thinks he's 5'11" so he considers the blows above the waist. :D

I actually got measured the other day at the doc and I was 5'10" without shoes.

[SkinBasket]

I am referencing where Skin accused me of "stealing" his tax dollars despite him not having a real job. He says he worked 6 years, I am 22 and put in more years of work than him!!

Whaa wa!!!

I told your confused ass I worked the SAME job for 6 years (OMG!!!! 3 of those years full time while a double major STUDENT at a real university!!! OMG! OMG! OMG!! What a hard life!!!) and that I had worked since I was 12.


Skin talked about how I should work at my job, and talked about how busy he is and how he maybe has 5 minutes a day to himself to post. 15-20 posts a day later typically spread out over 15-20 minute periods which he can read threads disagrees with his bullshit lies.

...Says the guy with 10,000 posts. You sure know a lot about my life Partial. In fact, it's a little more than creepy how close attention you're paying to me lately, without knowing the particulars about what's happening in my life... or do you? Was that Daddy's Lexus outside the house this weekend? You're like a stalker without the sexual MO. It's a little flattering, but mostly just annoying. Funny, but annoying.



I don't have any problems with how the idiot chooses to live his life, its when he accuses me of stealing his tax dollars that gets me.

You want fair taxes, yet you avoid paying every penny you can while trying to talk past the silver spoon in your mouth. You seem to think you have a better claim to my family's money than we do. You're logic is repulsive and belies your racist, misogynistic, elitist nature. Quite a resume for an intern from UWM.


BTW, my doctor told me I'm 6'4", but I was standing on my cock at the time.


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Partial says Grrrr!!!

[MJZiggy]

I'd say something, but Skin would yell at me for being too mean again... :oops:

[SkinBasket]

I'd say something, but Skin would yell at me for being too mean again... :oops:

Fuck it. I think I'm done defending Partial's delicate manhood.

[Zool]

http://www.bunnyhutchrabbitry.com/photos-rabbit-hutch/rylee-280.jpg
Partial says Grrrr!!!

I wasnt even drinking milk and some just shot out my nose.

[Zool]

On the topic at home that was deviated away from (I know shocking right?)

720p and 1080i broadcasts from Charter cable are craptactular in comparison with a bluray at 1080p. Its sorta like you had a film over your eyes before and now its gone. I've watched 4 movies this weekend and they were all incredible.

Older HD movies were encoded to shit because no one knew what to expect and everything at 720p is so much cleaner than SD.

My friend has a 47" 1080i and I have a 47" 1080p. He has a PS3 as well. Both hooked up HDMI There's a difference. Is it substantial enough to warrant a new TV? Well I guess that depends on how much money you make. Also 1080i will only do 1340x768 resolution when hooking up a computer, where the 1080p will do 1920x1080.

On the subject by the resident old fucker, HH how are playing games any less worthwhile than watching a TV show or a movie? I'd say I actually have a sense of accomplishment when finishing a game. No one of your generation and not that many of the generation after you play games. Lets just say that your opinion on the subject is skewed. I'm sure you hated it when 'talkies' hit the screens. Silent film was just fine.

[Scott Campbell]

720p and 1080i broadcasts from Charter cable are craptactular in comparison with a bluray at 1080p.


Hard to say if its a fair comparison. Cable and satellite broadcasters are compressing their HD signals. You actually get a better signal with a good over the air antenna.

[Partial]

Zool, out of curiosity have you tried a blu-ray at 720p compared to a blu-ray at 1080p? Broadcast HD doesn't look as great as Scott said. I'd be curious to know if you can legitimately tell the difference. Everything I have read has made it very clear the difference is damn near impossible and with the blu-ray hooked up to some 720p and 1080p sets at Sears I cannot tell a difference.

[MJZiggy]

720p and 1080i broadcasts from Charter cable are craptactular in comparison with a bluray at 1080p.


Hard to say if its a fair comparison. Cable and satellite broadcasters are compressing their HD signals. You actually get a better signal with a good over the air antenna.

When you switch to HD, do the HDTVs get better actual reception than their non-HD counterparts? Obviously the picture quality is far superior, but do you get a better signal?

[Harlan Huckleby]

On the subject by the resident old fucker, HH how are playing games any less worthwhile than watching a TV show or a movie?

Those games are mind numbing. A good movie stimulates imagination, makes you think. Or laugh, or cry if an animal dies.

Maybe there are some video games that require some creativity. What I've seen is just repetitive crap. They are glorified pinball machines.

I think activities that you remember enrich your life, that's a good test.

I can't say what the video game experience is for you. And I really don't think less of people who amuse themselves with video games. It just looks awful to me, I don't get it.

[Partial]

On the subject by the resident old fucker, HH how are playing games any less worthwhile than watching a TV show or a movie?

Those games are mind numbing. A good movie stimulates imagination, makes you think. Or laugh, or cry if an animal dies.

Maybe there are some video games that require some creativity. What I've seen is just repetitive crap. They are glorified pinball machines.

Play Final Fantasy 3 for super nintendo and get back to me. Best video game ever.

[Zool]

On the subject by the resident old fucker, HH how are playing games any less worthwhile than watching a TV show or a movie?

Those games are mind numbing. A good movie stimulates imagination, makes you think. Or laugh, or cry if an animal dies.

Maybe there are some video games that require some creativity. What I've seen is just repetitive crap. They are glorified pinball machines.

I think activities that you remember enrich your life, that's a good test.

I can't say what the video game experience is for you. And I really don't think less of people who amuse themselves with video games. It just looks awful to me, I don't get it.

You've obviously had limited exposure to games in the last 10 years. Read up on Half Life some time. Games aren't all Asteroids and PacMan anymore. I remember specifically the first time I played Silent Hill and Resident Evil. Never before had a games atmosphere made me jump when something came at me. Check out a game called Fable. The game's progress is altered by the way you play it.

I can't remember what I watched on TV last week, and no moment sticks out in my mind right now of a TV show I watched and wanted to watch it again. Movies hit me like games do but thats about it.

I can say that without computer games, i wouldn't work in IT. I bought a PC to play a game specifically. Tore it apart a week later to figure out how to make it faster. I would say that makes it life changing in a round about way.

Obviously real-life experiences are more fulfilling, that goes without saying. But TV is actually a giant waste of time for me anymore. Its all rehashing the same damned cop drama and boring sit-com. I wont even get into reality TV. Especially when they have writers on their staff.


Partial:
I know that cable is compressed, but someone asked how picture quality compared between Blu-Ray and broadcast.

Havent tried 720p specifically, but have tried 1080i vs 1080p while playing Ratchet and Clank. Its noticeable, but hardly a deal breaker. I have a 47 and my couch is about 5feet from the set. Yeah its a little close. As I said, the difference between the 2 can be measured by your wallet.

And yeah, if you go back and check out some early HD-DVD's they weren't up to todays standards, which makes me wonder what it will be like in 2 years. Will 1080p matter more then?? I don't want to find out the hard way like early adopters of HD-DVD.

[twoseven]

So, if I choose every now and then to play a video game for some escape time after everything else I actually do in a given week, hey pal, I've earned it. I don't expect you to like it or agree with it. It's for me.

:lol: I wasn't actually judging you. Or anybody that plays video games. To me they seem like a god-awful waste of time.
No, what you definitely did do was make an assumption about me that was about as far off the mark as you could possibly get. I can't remember the last time anyone has ever suggested to me I should get off my ass and go down to the Y for some pick up hoops or some laps in the pool. However, there are plenty of people I have been around that are quick to give advice on better health no matter what their level of understanding is. So I'm not shocked that you would think what you do at the Y would qualify you to tell others to stop being so lazy. Is there any way you could have known enough about me to realize that I didn't need you to coach me up? No, and that's the point. It appears that you need to assume less and ask more questions before you suggest how people you've never met could better spend their freetime.

Zool's right, you have absolutely no idea what a video game is all about these days. You should find out how far they have advanced in the last 20 years before you belittle them to those that know exactly what they involve. The advances are like comparing VHS to Blueray x 1000, and they're a helluva lot more than beeps and buzzes and glorified versions of pinball. Stop assuming and do some research before you make your sweeping generalizations in the future.

[Scott Campbell]

720p and 1080i broadcasts from Charter cable are craptactular in comparison with a bluray at 1080p.


Hard to say if its a fair comparison. Cable and satellite broadcasters are compressing their HD signals. You actually get a better signal with a good over the air antenna.

When you switch to HD, do the HDTVs get better actual reception than their non-HD counterparts? Obviously the picture quality is far superior, but do you get a better signal?


Are you asking about the quality of the tuner? Newer sets have digital tuners, and pick up signals over a different part of the spectrum than sets from 20 years ago. I don't know about signal strength, and the sensitivity of todays tuners. Typically reception has more to do with the strength of the signal.

[SkinBasket]

720p and 1080i broadcasts from Charter cable are craptactular in comparison with a bluray at 1080p.


Hard to say if its a fair comparison. Cable and satellite broadcasters are compressing their HD signals. You actually get a better signal with a good over the air antenna.

Due to some poor programming on a certain PS3 game, it's required that you set your PS3 settings to 720p output to play the game. We watched the new Harry Potter BR entirely and I kept noticing that the image was not as sharp as the 1080p trailer I had seen. It was then that I remembered setting the output to 720p. Changed the output back to 1080p and watched several of the fine detail scenes again. My wife, who has trouble discerning these things - mainly because she doesn't care, and I immediately agreed that there was a noticeable difference and felt a little sad about watching the movie in 720. As mentioned before it's 56 inches at 12-16 feet depending where you sit.

I understand some people have trouble ever seeing the difference due to the variables you mentioned before, combined with ignorance and poor eyesight. I only think said people are idiots when they try to tell everyone else - especially those who have 1080p TVs hooked up to 1080p sources that there isn't a difference because they don't see it at their local Sears, which probably has their HD Pretty Flower Show source box hooked up with component cables.

[Zool]

I understand some people have trouble ever seeing the difference due to the variables you mentioned before, combined with ignorance and poor eyesight. I only think said people are idiots when they try to tell everyone else - especially those who have 1080p TVs hooked up to 1080p sources that there isn't a difference because they don't see it at their local Sears, which probably has their HD Pretty Flower Show source box hooked up with component cables.

With a component splitter running 8-10 TV's at one time from one signal. HDMI makes a difference as well.

[Harlan Huckleby]

No, what you definitely did do was make an assumption about me that was about as far off the mark as you could possibly get. I can't remember the last time anyone has ever suggested to me I should get off my ass and go down to the Y for some pick up hoops

frankly you are entering the moron zone now. I have zero idea who you are, and made no assumptions. The comment about the Y was not directed at you personally, it was to make my point in general about the superiority of physical activity to video gaming.

We are not having a face-to-face conversation. We are shooting the bull in an internet forum. Don't take things so personally that obviously can have no connection to you as a real person.



they're a helluva lot more than beeps and buzzes and glorified versions of pinball. Stop assuming and do some research before you make your sweeping generalizations in the future.

:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm to do my research before offering an opinion in this forum? :lol: :lol: But this forum IS my research! :lol: :lol: I'm just telling you what I think, and I admittedly have limited experience with video games, my limited experience has not been encouraging.

I consider video games roughly equivalent to watching a football game on TV. They are forgetable, mind-numbing experiences that generally just blend together in your memory. I am not looking down on people, I appreciate the appeal of vegging out.

[SkinBasket]

With a component splitter running 8-10 TV's at one time from one signal. HDMI makes a difference as well.

Not only does it help, it's necessary for a 1080p signal right now.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I can say that without computer games, i wouldn't work in IT.

this may be the most damning comment I've ever read about computer games. :lol:


I think TV, computer games, the internet and virtual reality toys are taking a toll. People are interacting less with the real environment. I've worked a lot as a computer programmer, so I know about virtual worlds.

[Zool]

I can say that without computer games, i wouldn't work in IT.

this may be the most damning comment I've ever read about computer games. :lol:


I think TV, computer games, the internet and virtual reality toys are taking a toll. People are interacting less with the real environment. I've worked a lot as a computer programmer, so I know about virtual worlds.

How the hell is that a damning comment? I was 20 at the time, working as a framer as a good portion of my family has done most of their lives.

[Harlan Huckleby]

How the hell is that a damning comment?

Oh my God. It's happening again. Is there something about computer gaming that causes young men to lose their sense of humor??

yes Zool, IT is a very honorable profession, and you should be proud of your accomplishments in that field.

[Zool]

How the hell is that a damning comment?

Oh my God. It's happening again. Is there something about video gaming that causes young men to lose their sense of humor??

yes Zool, IT is a very honorable profession, and you should be proud of your accomplishments in that field.

I lost my sense of humor about 25 years ago, and this has nothing to do with that. You're dry (ahem) wit escapes me sometimes I guess. I didnt realize we were back to the comedic verbal jabs.

Its on like Donkey Kong old man.

[BallHawk]

edit.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I worked 25 years in IT, and I always found it quite the land of dark humor. People often talked about escaping to the light side. And actually, after the .COM bust, they weren't kidding so much!

[MadtownPacker]

Oh my God. It's happening again. Is there something about computer gaming that causes young men to lose their sense of humor??
Its because he doesnt have the luxury of killing you like he does in the games and getting some of that instant gratification he is use to.

[SkinBasket]

I worked 25 years in IT

Fixing typewriters and adding machines doesn't count as IT Harlan.

[Zool]

I worked 25 years in IT

Fixing typewriters and adding machines doesn't count as IT Harlan.

Well those new-fangled devices now-a-days just confuse him. They sure are handy for pretending your a catholic priest however.

[Harlan Huckleby]

whipper snappers.

You think fixing a typewriter is easy? You think programming a computer with toggle switches is kids stuff?

pampered punks with your keyboards and FORTRAN.

[Zool]

Rented Heavenly Sword this weekend. If you are looking for mindless button mashing good times, give this one a shot. Also avoid Sonic. Got that one for the kid, and wow does it suck. Sonic the RPG. Not a great concept.

[Scott Campbell]

I understand some people have trouble ever seeing the difference due to the variables you mentioned before, combined with ignorance and poor eyesight. I only think said people are idiots when they try to tell everyone else - especially those who have 1080p TVs hooked up to 1080p sources that there isn't a difference because they don't see it at their local Sears, which probably has their HD Pretty Flower Show source box hooked up with component cables.


Much of preference is still subjective, so at the end of the day your own eyes are still the best judge.

Really the whole 720p vs. 1080p is already being decided for you. I don't think you can even get a DLP at 720p anymore - all 1080p. Most LCD's are now 1080p. The only technology where there is still a real choice is plasma. With plasma, you pay a significant premium for 1080p, but that will change soon too. I understand Pioneer is discontinuing their 720p plasma sets and will be 100% 1080p.

[Partial]

o the variables you mentioned before, combined with ignorance and poor eyesight. I only think said people are idiots when they try to tell everyone else - especially those who have 1080p TVs hooked up to 1080p sources that there isn't a difference because they don't see it at their local Sears, which probably has their HD Pretty Flower Show source box hooked up with component cables.

Actually, they use BR and HDMI from individual players.

[Partial]

I understand some people have trouble ever seeing the difference due to the variables you mentioned before, combined with ignorance and poor eyesight. I only think said people are idiots when they try to tell everyone else - especially those who have 1080p TVs hooked up to 1080p sources that there isn't a difference because they don't see it at their local Sears, which probably has their HD Pretty Flower Show source box hooked up with component cables.


Much of preference is still subjective, so at the end of the day your own eyes are still the best judge.

Really the whole 720p vs. 1080p is already being decided for you. I don't think you can even get a DLP at 720p anymore - all 1080p. Most LCD's are now 1080p. The only technology where there is still a real choice is plasma. With plasma, you pay a significant premium for 1080p, but that will change soon too. I understand Pioneer is discontinuing their 720p plasma sets and will be 100% 1080p.

I don't think that will be true because 1080p is known to hurt a lot of people's eyes. I think 720 will have a place for the long run.

[Scott Campbell]

I don't think that will be true because 1080p is known to hurt a lot of people's eyes.


LOL

Ok, you're just screwing with us now.

[SkinBasket]

I don't think that will be true because 1080p is known to hurt a lot of people's eyes.

1080p gives you hairy palms too.

[Partial]

I don't think that will be true because 1080p is known to hurt a lot of people's eyes.


LOL

Ok, you're just screwing with us now.

Look on AVS man. I hear it often, actually.

[twoseven]

Zool, Skinbasket, whoever...

If you are shopping/researching games for any of the platforms, how are you deciding which to buy versus which to stay away from? Do you hear about them through your personal networks, or just from TV and gaming websites like many, or is there another means?

[twoseven]

I don't think that will be true because 1080p is known to hurt a lot of people's eyes.


LOL

Ok, you're just screwing with us now.

Look on AVS man. I hear it often, actually.
See, now you are sounding like the man, trying to bring me and my dreams of a new TV down. Skinbasket's got me all fired up to go out and get a 40-50+ inch 1080p capable plasma later this year, and you're telling me I'll hurt my eyes. Hell, 1080p is more important than my eyes, soon..

Then I'm gonna buy about 4-5 new games, throw out all the books in the house, call in a bomb threat to the Hudson YMCA, send my kids to their rooms for the day, lock the dogs up, cut down a tree and play those video games until I'm cross-eyed, all in honor of Harlan. Can't wait.

[Zool]

Zool, Skinbasket, whoever...

If you are shopping/researching games for any of the platforms, how are you deciding which to buy versus which to stay away from? Do you hear about them through your personal networks, or just from TV and gaming websites like many, or is there another means?

Skin sits at home all day playing games and neglecting his kids, so I ask him. That and I keep an eye out for new games. Pretty much every one of my friends play games, so we keep each other informed.

[SkinBasket]

I read the reviews at ign.com while ignoring my children. Sometimes it hard when they pull the DLP down on themselves and they're screaming and the TV is on fire, but they usually don't use big words there and have plenty of media to look at so I get by. It's just more annoying than anything.

Of course since the TV burned up my eyes feel much better. I still seem to have hairy palms though. I just don't know where the kids are.

[twoseven]

Nice. Turok after tons of hype looks like it sucks balls, got a really weak review.

[Freak Out]

Nice. Turok after tons of hype looks like it sucks balls, got a really weak review.

Turok? Turok son of Stone? Of comic book fame?

[twoseven]

Nice. Turok after tons of hype looks like it sucks balls, got a really weak review.

Turok? Turok son of Stone? Of comic book fame?
If he is a native american that kills dinosaurs..

[Freak Out]

Nice. Turok after tons of hype looks like it sucks balls, got a really weak review.

Turok? Turok son of Stone? Of comic book fame?
If he is a native american that kills dinosaurs..

That's the guy. I had no idea someone was developing a game based on the old comic book. Probably a bad idea......running around killing Dinosaurs was really all he and his sidekick did...and try and find a way home. Boring...especially considering how often you would die fighting a T-Rex with a flint bow and tomahawk.

[twoseven]

Nice. Turok after tons of hype looks like it sucks balls, got a really weak review.

Turok? Turok son of Stone? Of comic book fame?
If he is a native american that kills dinosaurs..

That's the guy. I had no idea someone was developing a game based on the old comic book. Probably a bad idea......running around killing Dinosaurs was really all he and his sidekick did...and try and find a way home. Boring...especially considering how often you would die fighting a T-Rex with a flint bow and tomahawk.
Actually this one I mentioned is the third or fourth installment. The first one came out over ten years ago I think, the second was back around 2000. Both of those were great. This latest version did not live up to them. BTW, Turok was weilding more than just his native tools in those games, unless the comic had him toting around plasma rifles, shotguns, and rocket launchers. Wonder how much wampum he would have needed for that kind of hardware.

[Freak Out]

Nice. Turok after tons of hype looks like it sucks balls, got a really weak review.

Turok? Turok son of Stone? Of comic book fame?
If he is a native american that kills dinosaurs..

That's the guy. I had no idea someone was developing a game based on the old comic book. Probably a bad idea......running around killing Dinosaurs was really all he and his sidekick did...and try and find a way home. Boring...especially considering how often you would die fighting a T-Rex with a flint bow and tomahawk.
Actually this one I mentioned is the third or fourth installment. The first one came out over ten years ago I think, the second was back around 2000. Both of those were great. This latest version did not live up to them. BTW, Turok was weilding more than just his native tools in those games, unless the comic had him toting around plasma rifles, shotguns, and rocket launchers. Wonder how much wampum he would have needed for that kind of hardware.

Turok with a BFG! :lol:

No plasma rifles or RPG's in the original. Just stone age savvy.

[Partial]

I don't think that will be true because 1080p is known to hurt a lot of people's eyes.


LOL

Ok, you're just screwing with us now.

Look on AVS man. I hear it often, actually.
See, now you are sounding like the man, trying to bring me and my dreams of a new TV down. Skinbasket's got me all fired up to go out and get a 40-50+ inch 1080p capable plasma later this year, and you're telling me I'll hurt my eyes. Hell, 1080p is more important than my eyes, soon..

Then I'm gonna buy about 4-5 new games, throw out all the books in the house, call in a bomb threat to the Hudson YMCA, send my kids to their rooms for the day, lock the dogs up, cut down a tree and play those video games until I'm cross-eyed, all in honor of Harlan. Can't wait.

Get LCD over plasma. It's a technology that is here to stay in terms of flat panels. 1080p is good for over 50". Waste of money for less, but most TV's come with 1080p nowadays anyway.

[MadtownPacker]

The 67" Samsung DLP laughs at any panochas who oppose 1080p. I invited King Kong over to watch TV and he thought it was just right. Thanks for the recommendation Campbell. At this point there is no reason to buy one that aint full HD.

27 - You might die tomorrow, better enjoy what little life you might have left. Treat yourself right.

[Scott Campbell]

Get LCD over plasma. It's a technology that is here to stay in terms of flat panels. 1080p is good for over 50". Waste of money for less, but most TV's come with 1080p nowadays anyway.


I don't consider that very good advice.

[Harlan Huckleby]

are you nerds still talking about electronic gadgets?

[MadtownPacker]

Get LCD over plasma. It's a technology that is here to stay in terms of flat panels. 1080p is good for over 50". Waste of money for less, but most TV's come with 1080p nowadays anyway.


I don't consider that very good advice.When is ANY advice from Partial good?

[Partial]

Get LCD over plasma. It's a technology that is here to stay in terms of flat panels. 1080p is good for over 50". Waste of money for less, but most TV's come with 1080p nowadays anyway.


I don't consider that very good advice.

What would you recommend? Plasma is a pain in the ass with its break-in period. LCD technology is only getting better and better. I would probably get the 1080p regardless of size because it will be a newer panel and thus nicer TV.

[Scott Campbell]

Get LCD over plasma. It's a technology that is here to stay in terms of flat panels. 1080p is good for over 50". Waste of money for less, but most TV's come with 1080p nowadays anyway.


I don't consider that very good advice.

What would you recommend? Plasma is a pain in the ass with its break-in period. LCD technology is only getting better and better. I would probably get the 1080p regardless of size because it will be a newer panel and thus nicer TV.


Breakin period has been an old wives tale for a long time with plasma. I wouldn't recommend a tv without knowing exactly how its going to be used first. Room size, viewing distance, lighting....all the usual questions you ask before picking one technology over another.

I've got 2 LCD 1080p sets, and while they're nice, they can't touch my 720p plasma or my 1080i rear projection CRT as televisions. But my LCD's work very well in their applications primarily as desktop displays.

[SkinBasket]

The 67" Samsung DLP laughs at any panochas who oppose 1080p.

Did you really need all 67 inches? Are you watching TV from your garage?

[SkinBasket]

I've got 2 LCD 1080p sets, and while they're nice.

So you've got hairy palms too.

[Scott Campbell]

I've got 2 LCD 1080p sets, and while they're nice.

So you've got hairy palms too.


......long before hdtv.....

[Partial]

Get LCD over plasma. It's a technology that is here to stay in terms of flat panels. 1080p is good for over 50". Waste of money for less, but most TV's come with 1080p nowadays anyway.


I don't consider that very good advice.

What would you recommend? Plasma is a pain in the ass with its break-in period. LCD technology is only getting better and better. I would probably get the 1080p regardless of size because it will be a newer panel and thus nicer TV.


Breakin period has been an old wives tale for a long time with plasma. I wouldn't recommend a tv without knowing exactly how its going to be used first. Room size, viewing distance, lighting....all the usual questions you ask before picking one technology over another.

I've got 2 LCD 1080p sets, and while they're nice, they can't touch my 720p plasma or my 1080i rear projection CRT as televisions. But my LCD's work very well in their applications doubling as desktops.

Pannie still recommends breaking in their Panels on the 70u and 77u if I remember correctly. Typically I like DLP but am moving more towards a flat-panel approach as they look a lot better. I agree it depends on lighting and what it is being used for, but LCD is pretty solid across the board. Maybe if you're in a room with tons of ambient light the Plasma would make a pretty big difference.

[MadtownPacker]

The 67" Samsung DLP laughs at any panochas who oppose 1080p.

Did you really need all 67 inches? Are you watching TV from your garage?Nah, Im just compensating for my above average chorizo.

[twoseven]

The 67" Samsung DLP laughs at any panochas who oppose 1080p. I invited King Kong over to watch TV and he thought it was just right. Thanks for the recommendation Campbell. At this point there is no reason to buy one that aint full HD.

27 - You might die tomorrow, better enjoy what little life you might have left. Treat yourself right.
I tossed out a Sony 35 inch trinitron glass tube 1 1/2 years ago in favor of a 42" plasma Hitachi Ultravision. I swore I would never buy another TV that weighed over 100 lbs or was as bulky as the old TVs. That's the main reason I have avoided DLP, that and the fear of one of the million mirrors or moving parts inside malfunctioning (a friend just had it happen). Will probably stay plasma on this next one, but thanks for the advice Mad.

[twoseven]

are you nerds still talking about electronic gadgets?
Maybe we should start talking about pacemakers and penile implants so you can join in, care to tell us how long you've had yours?

[twoseven]

Breakin period has been an old wives tale for a long time with plasma. I wouldn't recommend a tv without knowing exactly how its going to be used first. Room size, viewing distance, lighting....all the usual questions you ask before picking one technology over another.

I've got 2 LCD 1080p sets, and while they're nice, they can't touch my 720p plasma or my 1080i rear projection CRT as televisions. But my LCD's work very well in their applications primarily as desktop displays.
I'm sitting about 9-10 feet away currently, could nudge the couches back to close to 12 foot at best without rearranging entire room, DO NOT want to do that. So I am thinking somewhere in the 50 inch range is actually pushing it. Current HDTV is 42" plasma Hitachi Ultravision. That would be getting moved to the bedroom and replaced by whatever I get next. I am thinking plasma and am going to press for 1080p capable, other than that I am totally up for suggestions. Watch more sports and regular TV than movies, plenty of gaming that looks to increase quite a bit as my 4 and 6 year olds get more into it (you can kill yourself now Harlan). Also I assume most every HDTV you can buy is carrying minimum 3 HDMI slots these days, I would want 4-5 ideally (just in case Nintendo gives up on the cartoony graphics through the red/white/yellow cords and gets with the HD program next time around), or go with the HDMI connector box I guess. I'm not buying this new toy at Sears, either. Best Buy, Circuit City, or Ultimate Electronics look to be best outlets.

[Harlan Huckleby]

are you nerds still talking about electronic gadgets?
Maybe we should start talking about pacemakers and penile implants so you can join in, care to tell us how long you've had yours?

I find the pump to be a very fine product.

[twoseven]

are you nerds still talking about electronic gadgets?
Maybe we should start talking about pacemakers and penile implants so you can join in, care to tell us how long you've had yours?

I find the pump to be a very fine product.
The one for your heart or the one for your penis?

[Scott Campbell]

Breakin period has been an old wives tale for a long time with plasma. I wouldn't recommend a tv without knowing exactly how its going to be used first. Room size, viewing distance, lighting....all the usual questions you ask before picking one technology over another.

I've got 2 LCD 1080p sets, and while they're nice, they can't touch my 720p plasma or my 1080i rear projection CRT as televisions. But my LCD's work very well in their applications primarily as desktop displays.
I'm sitting about 9-10 feet away currently, could nudge the couches back to close to 12 foot at best without rearranging entire room, DO NOT want to do that. So I am thinking somewhere in the 50 inch range is actually pushing it. Current HDTV is 42" plasma Hitachi Ultravision. That would be getting moved to the bedroom and replaced by whatever I get next. I am thinking plasma and am going to press for 1080p capable, other than that I am totally up for suggestions. Watch more sports and regular TV than movies, plenty of gaming that looks to increase quite a bit as my 4 and 6 year olds get more into it (you can kill yourself now Harlan). Also I assume most every HDTV you can buy is carrying minimum 3 HDMI slots these days, I would want 4-5 ideally (just in case Nintendo gives up on the cartoony graphics through the red/white/yellow cords and gets with the HD program next time around), or go with the HDMI connector box I guess. I'm not buying this new toy at Sears, either. Best Buy, Circuit City, or Ultimate Electronics look to be best outlets.


I think your right about the 50. 60 would be huge from that distance. The Pioneer 5010 is well reviewed, or the 110 Elite model. But Elites cost a huge premium, and they use the same glass. The value leader in plasma are the Panasonics. Those are the only two brands I'd consider right now in plasma. I've got a 5080 (same as 5010, but 720p) and LOVE it.

[twoseven]

Breakin period has been an old wives tale for a long time with plasma. I wouldn't recommend a tv without knowing exactly how its going to be used first. Room size, viewing distance, lighting....all the usual questions you ask before picking one technology over another.

I've got 2 LCD 1080p sets, and while they're nice, they can't touch my 720p plasma or my 1080i rear projection CRT as televisions. But my LCD's work very well in their applications primarily as desktop displays.
I'm sitting about 9-10 feet away currently, could nudge the couches back to close to 12 foot at best without rearranging entire room, DO NOT want to do that. So I am thinking somewhere in the 50 inch range is actually pushing it. Current HDTV is 42" plasma Hitachi Ultravision. That would be getting moved to the bedroom and replaced by whatever I get next. I am thinking plasma and am going to press for 1080p capable, other than that I am totally up for suggestions. Watch more sports and regular TV than movies, plenty of gaming that looks to increase quite a bit as my 4 and 6 year olds get more into it (you can kill yourself now Harlan). Also I assume most every HDTV you can buy is carrying minimum 3 HDMI slots these days, I would want 4-5 ideally (just in case Nintendo gives up on the cartoony graphics through the red/white/yellow cords and gets with the HD program next time around), or go with the HDMI connector box I guess. I'm not buying this new toy at Sears, either. Best Buy, Circuit City, or Ultimate Electronics look to be best outlets.


I think your right about the 50. 60 would be huge from that distance. The Pioneer 5010 is well reviewed, or the 110 Elite model. But Elites cost a huge premium, and they use the same glass. The value leader in plasma are the Panasonics. Those are the only two brands I'd consider right now in plasma. I've got a 5080 (same as 5010, but 720p) and LOVE it.
Your advice is VERY appreciated, thank you.

[SkinBasket]

o the variables you mentioned before, combined with ignorance and poor eyesight. I only think said people are idiots when they try to tell everyone else - especially those who have 1080p TVs hooked up to 1080p sources that there isn't a difference because they don't see it at their local Sears, which probably has their HD Pretty Flower Show source box hooked up with component cables.

Actually, they use BR and HDMI from individual players.

So I happening through the mall, shopping for some dresses for when nutz comes over and we play the crying game. Anyway, I park at Sears because no one parks there so it's easy access to the good stores in the mall. As I'm strolling through the store, I happen across the TV department and the seemingly ridiculous claim Partail makes about Sears taking the time and money to hook up each TV to a BR player via HDMI comes to mind.

I check one bank of TVs, then another, and then all the rest.

You'll never guess what I found!


Every TV in the place hooked up via coax cable running off unamplified splitters. I guess my hopes for component were overly optimistic.

[Zool]

gasp? shock? uhh...no If Best Buy wont even run component, Sears sure as hell isn't.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

o the variables you mentioned before, combined with ignorance and poor eyesight. I only think said people are idiots when they try to tell everyone else - especially those who have 1080p TVs hooked up to 1080p sources that there isn't a difference because they don't see it at their local Sears, which probably has their HD Pretty Flower Show source box hooked up with component cables.

Actually, they use BR and HDMI from individual players.

So I happening through the mall, shopping for some dresses for when nutz comes over and we play the crying game. Anyway, I park at Sears because no one parks there so it's easy access to the good stores in the mall. As I'm strolling through the store, I happen across the TV department and the seemingly ridiculous claim Partail makes about Sears taking the time and money to hook up each TV to a BR player via HDMI comes to mind.

I check one bank of TVs, then another, and then all the rest.

You'll never guess what I found!


Every TV in the place hooked up via coax cable running off unamplified splitters. I guess my hopes for component were overly optimistic.

There is gambling in monte carlo? Shocking.

[Partial]

um at my Sears we have at least 6-7 sets right next to each other w/ blue-ray through HDMI.

[SkinBasket]

At my sears they have a secret gay porn section hidden behind the water softeners. Next time you're at sears make a note about how many guys with mustaches are interested in water softeners.

[Harlan Huckleby]

February 20, 2008
Blu-ray Won the Battle, but Now Comes the War
By Saul Hansell

There is a concept rattling around the blogosphere that Sony’s victory over Toshiba in the war to define the high-definition video disc format is moot because soon people will be downloading high-definition videos rather than buying them on discs.
I suspect Blu-ray will have a hard time for a few years, but not because of downloading. That is simply too hard for the mass market. Buying discs is easy to do and easy to understand.
The competition for Blu-ray players is the latest generation of DVD players which can generate a high-definition signal from a standard-definition disc.
Right now, Blu-ray players cost $350 to $400. Sony PlayStation 3 game machines, which also play Blu-ray discs, also cost about $400.
I called Mike Abt, the president of Abt Electronics, the big Chicago-area electronics retailer, to ask about his take on demand for Blu-ray players in the wake of the withdrawal of Toshiba’s HD DVD format.
He said the biggest question is how Sony and the other manufacturers approach pricing.
“If Blu-ray is really smart they won’t raise prices even though they can, now that they have no competition,” he said. “They haven’t got everyone to join in and want a Blu-ray.”
“Most people are happy just buying a better DVD player, instead of spending $350 or $400 for Blu-ray,” Mr. Abt said. “An upconverting DVD player for $79 is a great value. It has a great picture, really better than an old DVD. You really see a difference.”
What is more, he said, consumers will be put off because Blu-ray discs cost $5 to $10 more than standard DVDs.
Sure, the super-high-end home theater buyers will start to get Blu-ray players, Mr. Abt said. They had already been buying the combination Blu-ray and HD DVD players from Samsung and other makers. (Those are the folks who may experiment with Apple TV or other ways to download movies, I suspect, but they will have disc players too.)
But Blu-ray will represent far less than 25 percent of disc players sold until the price falls below $200 or even $150, he said.
What about all the people who bought HD DVD players, prompted by Toshiba’s aggressive price cuts? Mr. Abt hopes he can at least partially mitigate their anger and frustration by pointing out how well the players can display standard DVDs.
“We have a lot of people who bought HD DVD players in the last few months,” he said. “We are going to communicate with them: you have an upconverting DVD player, enjoy it. You paid $150 for it, so you didn’t lose too much.”