No overriding needs

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=741141

Bretsky will like the comment about the OGs. Bulldog will like the comment about the WLB.


Guard: "I think they're OK at guard with the combination of (Daryn) Colledge, (Jason) Spitz and (Junius) Coston. They've got Barbre and Moll. They've got lots of bodies. They're adequate and can get better. They're still young. You can only work with so many guys in the interior of an offensive line."

Weak-side linebacker: "They got one of the top guys in the league."

Chillar sounds like a Poppinga clone.

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=741141

Bretsky will like the comment about the OGs. Bulldog will like the comment about the WLB.

[quote]Guard: "I think they're OK at guard with the combination of (Daryn) Colledge, (Jason) Spitz and (Junius) Coston. They've got Barbre and Moll. They've got lots of bodies. They're adequate and can get better. They're still young. You can only work with so many guys in the interior of an offensive line."

Weak-side linebacker: "They got one of the top guys in the league."



Oh Yeah; we've got a lot of bodies :!: Doesn't everybody ? I'm not sure if I even want to read it. When they use Orange Julius and Moll as positives I'm afraid to click onto the link.

Hopefully they develop; hopefully I'm wrong. But at this point they are not good enough.

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[Bretsky]

The only logical explanation I can give is the guy who said this was undoubtedly


A DETROIT LIONS SCOUT :lol:

[Lurker64]

I think two years ago (after we lost Wahle and Rivera) we didn't even have a bunch of bodies. With any luck the young guys will end up a lot better than they are.

[Packnut]

This article is WRONG. WE do have a HUGE need and we all know it's at cornerback. Just remember the Cowboy's game. That game alone makes my point fact.

This is Al's last season of being a shut-down corner. The Giants showed us the writing on the wall.

Our 1st rd pick should be the best corner available. Thompson has already passed up 2 area's of need with missing the guard Philly got one year and missing on Nelson last draft which would have secured the saftey position.

Drafting the best over-all player is fine when you either have a lot of weakness or no weakness. This team has the talent to compete.

Thompson has crafted the puzzle well even with the few mistakes he's made. However, now is the time to COMPLETE it. Take the best corner available at 1 and get a saftey in the second coupled with the best guard or tackle available. If Teddy accomplishes that, then this team is capable of a SB run.

[Scott Campbell]

Re: Defensive end: "I like them. I do think it's probably time for 'KGB' (Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila) to move on and get another guy. He's a luxury. He's kind of lost it. He hasn't been as productive. (Cullen) Jenkins is really a solid football player with (Aaron) Kampman. I think they need a third end."


I'm in agreement with that, and would have no issue with the Packers drafting a DE in the first.

[Fred's Slacks]

Packnut, I agree that we need a corner but I must respectfully disagree that we should take one first no matter what. We need to stick with the BPA strategy. If we deem Sam Baker or Desean Jackson the best player available, we should take him. Otherwise we're short changing ourselves. Needs are only perceived needs. We don't know how they'll change once the season starts. If Blackmon stays healthy and Williams make strides corner might be a position of strength. When you start talking about needs you start using the word "if" alot. If this and if that. You can't build your team around if's. So you always take the BPA and as you progress you start to see your needs get smaller and smaller (as we've seen over the last couple seasons).

Like I said I agree we need a corner. I just don't think you pass on a better player to get one. It's a deep draft for corner. There's a good chance that at some point early one will be the BPA.

[Patler]

The last time the Packers drafted corners because they really needed corners they ended up with Ahmad Carroll and Joey Thomas. That's what happens when you draft what you think is the best player at a specific position rather than on of the best players regardless of position.

[RashanGary]

I'm in agreement with that, and would have no issue with the Packers drafting a DE in the first.


Me as well. I like Lawrence Jackson as a possible late round 1. I also like Brian Johnston from Gardner-Webb as a possible 2nd-4th rounder. I think he's going to go higher than the draft publications list him.



I thought this scout pretty much broke it down the way we have it. We need a legit pass rushing DE, young corners and a young LT more than the rest but we can use guys anywhere so if we take the best player, we're OK.

[RashanGary]

On a side note, McGinn did a great job not sprinkling in made up drama, but just quoting the scout and moving forward. It's so much more refreshing than some of the stuff we were reading early in the off season. I think part of it is that it gets hard to come up with stuff at certain times of the year. Now he acctually has something substantial and doesn't have to twist the truth to bring something interesting.

[Patler]

On a side note, McGinn did a great job not sprinkling in made up drama, but just quoting the scout and moving forward. It's so much more refreshing than some of the stuff we were reading early in the off season. I think part of it is that it gets hard to come up with stuff at certain times of the year. Now he acctually has something substantial and doesn't have to twist the truth to bring something interesting.

Then you might not want to read this article of his:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=741373

[Fritz]

When I was reading Packernews.com on the running backs, this blurb really caught my eye - because every thing mentioned here strikes me as making this player a Ted Thompson kind of guy - the small school, the experience, hands and the pass pro ability, the running style - it's got "Ted pick" written all over it:

" Kevin Smith, Central Florida


6-1 1/8, 216; Round 2


Overview: Junior entry who, of the second-tier prospects, has the best size to be an every-down back in the NFL. Three-year starter who rushed for 4,679 yards, averaged 5.2 yards a carry and ran for 45 touchdowns in his career. Last year, he carried the ball a whopping 405 times for 2,567 yards, a 5.7-yard average and 29 touchdowns. That rushing total is second in NCAA Division I history for yards in a season behind Barry Sanders (2,628 yards). Is a natural, instinctive runner and catches the ball well (55 career receptions). Might not be quick-twitch explosive but ran the 40 in 4.47 and 4.49 at his campus workout.


The talk: "I think he's probably one of the better backs in the draft," said one scout. "He's got great vision, very elusive, radical cutting ability, no loss of motion or speed. I think the guy has special run talent and he catches the ball really well, and he's probably better in pass protection than any of the backs coming out. He could be a late first, to me." … "I liked him at the outset, then I went to his first workout and liked him better," the national scout for one team said. "This guy proved to me he has a combination of being a complete back. He catches the ball, he can gear down — in the workout, he showed he can (gear down) and has some explosive acceleration after he gets out of the cuts. If Kevin is your guy, you might have to go with late first or early second." … "I wasn't crazy about Kevin Smith, to be honest with you," a scout who put a third-round grade on him said. "I didn't see the kind of speed and burst and explosiveness I thought I'd see. I love his ability to carry the ball it seemed like 1,000 times and his toughness. He ran pretty good inside. But when you translate his skills to the next level, his lack of explosiveness is going to catch up with him to a degree. I think he can be a really solid backup-type runner, but I didn't see him as a front-line guy."

Of course, this only means TT won't pick him...

[Bretsky]

On a side note, McGinn did a great job not sprinkling in made up drama, but just quoting the scout and moving forward. It's so much more refreshing than some of the stuff we were reading early in the off season. I think part of it is that it gets hard to come up with stuff at certain times of the year. Now he acctually has something substantial and doesn't have to twist the truth to bring something interesting.

Then you might not want to read this article of his:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=741373


Oh Great; you're going to send him over the edge again :lol:

This from McGinn might do it right here

The team's general manager, Ted Thompson, believes so wholeheartedly in Rodgers and is so driven to prevent anything from interfering with his development that he has left the Packers vulnerable at the game's most important position

.............going on further McGinn notes TT

• Refused to beg his Pro Bowl starting quarterback, Brett Favre, to play another year. [/i.


•[i] Rushed to get Favre's jersey retired at the season opener, possibly to head off an awkward scenario in which Favre would put out public feelers in June or July that he wished to come back only to discover just how irrevocably the team has moved on with Rodgers.

[GrnBay007]

On a side note, McGinn did a great job not sprinkling in made up drama, but just quoting the scout and moving forward. It's so much more refreshing than some of the stuff we were reading early in the off season. I think part of it is that it gets hard to come up with stuff at certain times of the year. Now he acctually has something substantial and doesn't have to twist the truth to bring something interesting.

Then you might not want to read this article of his:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=741373


Oh Great; you're going to send him over the edge again :lol:

This from McGinn might do it right here

The team's general manager, Ted Thompson, believes so wholeheartedly in Rodgers and is so driven to prevent anything from interfering with his development that he has left the Packers vulnerable at the game's most important position

.............going on further McGinn notes TT

• Refused to beg his Pro Bowl starting quarterback, Brett Favre, to play another year. [/i.


•[i] Rushed to get Favre's jersey retired at the season opener, possibly to head off an awkward scenario in which Favre would put out public feelers in June or July that he wished to come back only to discover just how irrevocably the team has moved on with Rodgers.

Scares me.

[vince]

On a side note, McGinn did a great job not sprinkling in made up drama, but just quoting the scout and moving forward. It's so much more refreshing than some of the stuff we were reading early in the off season. I think part of it is that it gets hard to come up with stuff at certain times of the year. Now he acctually has something substantial and doesn't have to twist the truth to bring something interesting.

Then you might not want to read this article of his:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=741373
The most cogent point of the whole article was the last one...

"Now we feel there are certain measurables and things it takes to be a productive football player in the NFL," Thompson said. "But my scouts are instructed during the course of the draft to come by and just whisper 'football players' to me about every 20 minutes. And they do it."

[RashanGary]

McGinn jumps to conclusions. I wouldn't care, but so many people hold these writers opinions as gospel and then we have to sit here fighting misinformed people who think they have an armies worht of amunition because of one wrong writer.

I think it's great when he has scouting info. I like when he gets quotes that aren't on Packers.com for me to listen to myself (rare, almost everything is posted at packers.com).

Other than that, his opinions are no better than half of the people here and equally falty to some of the worst in that they are complete stretches much of the time. The problem is, he writes it persuasive enough to convince people it's reality, not a stretched opinion.

[RashanGary]

I thought that was a good quote too, Vince. Pieces here and there give glimpses into what Thompson will do.

[Scott Campbell]

I thought that was a good quote too, Vince. Pieces here and there give glimpses into what Thompson will do.




I think people need the constant reminder of how easy it is to get seduced by combine numbers.

[MJZiggy]

On a side note, McGinn did a great job not sprinkling in made up drama, but just quoting the scout and moving forward. It's so much more refreshing than some of the stuff we were reading early in the off season. I think part of it is that it gets hard to come up with stuff at certain times of the year. Now he acctually has something substantial and doesn't have to twist the truth to bring something interesting.

Then you might not want to read this article of his:

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=741373
The most cogent point of the whole article was the last one...

"Now we feel there are certain measurables and things it takes to be a productive football player in the NFL," Thompson said. "But my scouts are instructed during the course of the draft to come by and just whisper 'football players' to me about every 20 minutes. And they do it."

Can I get paid to whisper "football players" in his ear? I would do it.

[The Leaper]

He's kind of lost it. He hasn't been as productive.

KGB had 9.5 sacks last year. I'm not saying he's a stud, but how isn't that productive?

[The Leaper]

I agree that Harris is closing in rapidly on the end of the line in terms of being a quality starter. He can't hang with the Pro Bowl caliber guys anymore...and it won't be long before he struggles with the better than average guys.

I wouldn't say that we have to take a CB with the first pick...but I do think we have to take one on the first day...and pick up at least 3 during the draft weekend (2 drafted, 1 undrafted).

If we don't accomplish that, I think that would be a huge mistake considering our lack of quality depth at a position that is vital to our defensive system.

[Scott Campbell]

He's kind of lost it. He hasn't been as productive.

KGB had 9.5 sacks last year. I'm not saying he's a stud, but how isn't that productive?



That was a direct quote from the article, which I don't really agree with. I thought he was pretty productive last year - as a pass rush specialist. I think he's undersized and a major liability in the run defense.

[Lurker64]

We have no overriding needs, that isn't to say that we have no needs. A nickel/dime corner who could be ready to start in a year or two is certainly a need, but it's not an overriding one. Similarly we need a backup TE and a backup QB, probably another DE, and some more bodies on the OL but none of those needs are so overriding that you won't pass up an excellent value at another position to fill them.

I think that's what we mean by "no overriding needs." Every team has needs, some are just less pressing than others.