2008 OFFICIAL DRAFT THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[motife]

25 Seattle
26 Houston
27 San Diego
28 Dallas
29 San Francisco
30 Green Bay

[GoPackGo]

Will the Packers take Brohm??

They need a back up long term.

Could be BPA.

that would be cool

But Partial would then be happy.

That can't be allowed to happen.

he will continue to be miserable for eternity regardless

[red]

i'm smiling, it looks like flowers will be there when we pick

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Merling isn't a speed rusher like Jamaal, if you are going to bash a pick know what you are talking about. Merling is a prototypical 5 LDE, he holds the point of attack and plays big run d.

[Bretsky]

NEW TARGET LIST; WHAT DO YOU THINK ? ANY OTHERS ??

1 Mike Jenkins
2 Philip Merling
3 Antoine Cason
3 Brandon Flowers

[Charles Woodson]

So will there be any WR's taken? San Fran might be the next team that may take one

[Rastak]

Chris Johnson? In R1? Wow. My first reaction was LMAO at that one. They must know/see something with him.


4.24 speed and he can return kicks.....

[motife]

Draft slot vs. Draft rank so far. 3 outliers.

1 1 Jake Long, OT, Michigan
2 5 Chris Long, DE, Virginia
3 3 Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
4 6 Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
5 4 Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
6 2 Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State
7 7 Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
8 10 Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
9 13 Keith Rivers, LB, USC
10 15 Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
11 8 Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
12 12 Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
13 11 Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
14 25 Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
15 9 Branden Albert, OG-OT, Virginia
16 18 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State
17 17 Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
18 53 Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
19 14 Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
20 29 Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
21 27 Sam Baker, OL, USC
22 22 Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
23 16 Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
24 42 Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina

[BF4MVP]

Great..No first round talent left...

Merlings still on the board

Say no the Jamaal Reynolds II.
Reynolds was like 6'1 and 250...

Merling is 6'5 and 272..They're not really comparable...

[Chubbyhubby]

Tians pick Chris Johnson RB

[BF4MVP]

Johnson was a reach...He's sick fast, but he's not a first round talent..

[BallHawk]

Great..No first round talent left...

Merlings still on the board

Say no the Jamaal Reynolds II.
Reynolds was like 6'1 and 250...

Merling is 6'5 and 272..They're not really comparable...

13 on Wonderlic. Don't like that.

[motife]

Would TT take a WR with the BPA philosophy?

[digitaldean]

The top echelon RBs are gone. Houston will have to go O-Line.

Flowers, Jenkins or Cason at CB.... nice selection.

Amazing how high Brohm COULD have gone if he came out last year.

[Charles Woodson]

If we traded down, wouldnt mind taking Calias Cambell. Guy is a beast

[Rastak]

Would TT take a WR with the BPA philosophy?

If he's being honest he'll take any position.

[red]

is there a chance that we take another DT in the first round?

balmer is sitting there just staring at me like we're going to take him

[Brando19]

Would TT take a WR with the BPA philosophy?
I hope not. We have Driver, Jennings and Jones...and I love Ruvell and Koren.

[Charles Woodson]

is there a chance that we take another DT in the first round?

balmer is sitting there just staring at me like we're going to take him

i think balmer could go to Seatlle

[run pMc]

Watch: Jenkins will be on the board, and TT trades down.
Not sure about Merling. I've read somewhere that scouts think he has a high bust factor.

[Brando19]

Was Jenkins a high first round pick in most mock drafts?

[Bretsky]

BEDARD AT JS


Green Bay - After Dallas took Felix Jones and Pittsburgh took Rashard Mendenhall, here are the 10 players the Packers that the Packers could pick as we move closer, in order of best value (in my opinion):

Check them off as each pick is made before the Packers:

CB Mike Jenkins
QB Chad Henne
DE Phillip Merling
DT Kentwan Balmer
CB Antoine Cason
TE John Carlson
TE Dustin Keller
WR Devin Thomas
WR Limas Sweed

Of course, I could be way off.

[Charles Woodson]

Was Jenkins a high first round pick in most mock drafts?

He was a mid pick, most had him going to Tampa,

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Everyone getting excited about CB and we wont even go that way. The Pack is probably trading out of the first round, and if they don't I just don't see TT going for the obvious.

[Rastak]

Watch: Jenkins will be on the board, and TT trades down.
Not sure about Merling. I've read somewhere that scouts think he has a high bust factor.


Both he and Harvey have the potential for that. Phillips would be my pick if I were TT unless jenkins was still there somehow. Hell, maybe Phillips goes before 30.

[BallHawk]

Not sure about Merling. I've read somewhere that scouts think he has a high bust factor.

He's an ACC DE.

Sound familiar?

[red]

Was Jenkins a high first round pick in most mock drafts?

yes

some mocks had him as the #1 cb, going top ten

[motife]

chances of trading down enhanced if Henne's not picked by the 30th pick.

Hard to trade down and get value if no one wants to trade up.

[Lurker64]

Watch: Jenkins will be on the board, and TT trades down.
Not sure about Merling. I've read somewhere that scouts think he has a high bust factor.

Jenkins is Thugalicious, I wouldn't be too upset if Thompson saw red flags and went another direction. He's a quality talent but is likely not "Packer people", whatever that means.

[Brando19]

Dallas traded up!!!!!

[Bretsky]

Everyone getting excited about CB and we wont even go that way. The Pack is probably trading out of the first round, and if they don't I just don't see TT going for the obvious.


I THINK WE'LL ALL BE HAPPY WITH A TRADE DOWN

I hope we don't take Henne from Michigan

[Charles Woodson]

Why did the cowboys move up?

[BallHawk]

Dalllas trades up.

[Rastak]

Wow, Cowboys now on the clock.....Hawks trade.

[motife]

Was Jenkins a high first round pick in most mock drafts?

yes

some mocks had him as the #1 cb, going top ten

Jenkins was at least supposed to go in the early 20's.

[pbmax]

I think it is the Ron Wolf Modified BPA.

If that BPA plays QB, LT, DL or CB, then you take him regardless of need.



Would TT take a WR with the BPA philosophy?

If he's being honest he'll take any position.

[red]

dallas trades back up

this could be jenkins

[Bretsky]

STINKING DALLAS COWBOYS; I HATE EM

[The Leaper]

I can't see Thompson taking a QB on the first day.

[Gunakor]

Everyone getting excited about CB and we wont even go that way. The Pack is probably trading out of the first round, and if they don't I just don't see TT going for the obvious.

Thompson goes BPA. Right now I'd say Jenkins is the BPA and if he's there I'd think TT would take him.

[motife]

I think it is the Ron Wolf Modified BPA.

If that BPA plays QB, LT, DL or CB, then you take him regardless of need.



Would TT take a WR with the BPA philosophy?

If he's being honest he'll take any position.

But not a DT.

[Brando19]

Dallas picks Mike Jenkins!

[BF4MVP]

That doesn't surprise me..

[Charles Woodson]

Dallas take Mike Jenkins

Damnnitttt

[BallHawk]

TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN!

[Gunakor]

There goes Jenkins

[imscott72]

Everyone getting excited about CB and we wont even go that way. The Pack is probably trading out of the first round, and if they don't I just don't see TT going for the obvious.

I like Jenkins for our pick, but you're right, I expect TT to do something we all don't expect..Damn Cowboys just took Jenkin.. :x

[digitaldean]

bye bye Jenkins

[run pMc]

Not sure about Merling. I've read somewhere that scouts think he has a high bust factor.

OK, I'm quoting myself. I think I got Merling and Balmer mixed up.

Crap. DAL picked Jenkins.

[Chubbyhubby]

Seattle trades with dallas gets Mike Jenkins CB

[Rastak]

Cowboys get Jenkins, he finally goes......


Strengths: Is thickly built for his adequate height. He has very quick feet and is extremely smooth getting in and out of his backpedal. Does a good job of opening up hips, shows a second gear when tracking the ball downfield and has the long arms to occasionally tip away passes from a trail position. Possesses outstanding top-end speed and can make up ground when the ball is in the air. Is smooth when forced to change directions quickly, shows very good burst coming out of cuts and shows outstanding balance coming out of his pedal. Times jumps fairly well and is tall enough to compete for jump balls. Continues to show more versatility with experience. Has some experience lining up at safety, can line up over the slot or on the outside and shows good instincts and closing burst when turned loose on the blitz. Has experience blocking for punt returns and shows some upside as a return specialist.

Weaknesses: Hasn't shown great upper body strength, doesn't use hands that well and gives away the inside too much. Though reads quarterback's eyes and consistently gets into position to make plays on the ball, he lacks ideal ball skills. Mis-times some of his jumps, locates the ball late occasionally and will knock down some passes he should intercept. Run support aggressiveness is sporadic. Not overly physical, doesn't shed blocks well and takes poor angles to the ball at times. Character is a concern after 2007 arrest/suspension.

Overall: Jenkins appeared in 38 games (28 starts) in his first three seasons (2004-'06), recording 92 tackles (two for losses), three interceptions and 29 pass breakups. As a senior, he started all 13 games at right cornerback and had 41 tackles (four for losses), three interceptions and 12 pass breakups. He also has experience at safety and returning kicks. He averaged 30.4 yards on nine kickoff returns last season, returning one kick 100 yards for a touchdown. Jenkins suffers from an asthmatic condition, and in '04 he missed one game because of an ankle injury. In 2007, he was arrested after a fight outside a bar and charged with disorderly conduct and obstructing or opposing an officer without violence. Jenkins' asthmatic condition and 2007 arrest do create some reasons for concern. However, he did not miss playing time due to medical reasons the past three seasons and the off-the-field incident appears to be isolated. Jenkins has always possessed outstanding natural ability, including ideal speed and athleticism for a well-built cover corner. His recognition skills, technique and overall versatility improved as a senior, which is why he finally shot up NFL teams' draft boards. Jenkins proved in 2007 that he's capable of holding up on an island versus opponents' top receivers and he became a bigger factor in run support. He came up big in clutch situations (see: interception returned to the Auburn two yard-line) and showed some promise in brief duty as a return man. Overall, Jenkins ranks among the top-three cover corners in this year's draft, which is why we give him a mid-to-late first round grade.

[red]

hmmm

but that should be about the last chance for a cb until our pick

[motife]

1 19 Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
2 21 Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
3 23 Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
4 24 Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
5 26 Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
6 28 Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State
7 30 Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
8 31 Curtis Lofton, MLB, Oklahoma
9 32 Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
10 33 Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fla
11 34 DeSean Jackson, WR, California
12 35 Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
13 36 DaJuan Morgan, S, North Carolina State
14 37 Chilo Rachal, OG, USC
15 38 Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
16 39 Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
17 40 Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (Fla

[Lurker64]

Jenkins was a good player, but now he's the enemy and I'm not heartbroken.

[The Leaper]

Merling is going to be a strong possibility IMO.

[BallHawk]

Merling is going to be a strong possibility IMO.

That's scaring the shit outta me.

[Rastak]

Houston on the clock.....Devin Thomas?

[Gunakor]

TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN! TRADE DOWN!


To who? As was mentioned before, the potential trade partners are almost gone. Besides that, I'd be happy with Flowers or Cason at #30, and one or both of them will fall. San Diego and Seattle and San Fransisco aren't going to take a corner.

[The Leaper]

Merling is going to be a strong possibility IMO.

That's scaring the shit outta me.

It's Thompson's MO...and reports were they scouted the guy hard.

[texaspackerbacker]

Damn. I wanted the Packers to do exactly what the Cowboys did.

At least Jenkins goes to my second favorite team. Great day for the 'Boys--Jenkins and Felix Jones.

[BF4MVP]

Jenkins was a good player, but now he's the enemy and I'm not heartbroken.
Same...

[red]

Merling is going to be a strong possibility IMO.

merlin, balmer, flowers, and campbell are guys i still like right now

[TheCheese]

Damn, I really wanted Jenkins, hopefully we get Cambel or Merling

[motife]

26 Houston
27 San Diego
28 Seattle
29 San Francisco
30 Green Bay

[Charles Woodson]

Would you have traded up and taken jenkins? all it took was a 5 and 7

[Rastak]

Schefter thinks Brown of VT may go now......

[red]

Merling is going to be a strong possibility IMO.

That's scaring the shit outta me.

why? guy was a freak until he got a sports hernia and missed the combine and his pro day

[Rastak]

Would you have traded up and taken jenkins? all it took was a 5 and 7


I would have, unless I had Phillips graded really high.

[The Leaper]

Would you have traded up and taken jenkins? all it took was a 5 and 7

I don't think so...I don't think Jenkins was that much better than Cason/Flowers. Plus, there is still strong depth at CB into the second round.

[GrnBay007]

What do you think TT would LEAST likely to do.....take Henne? OK, I'm guessing he will. :D

[BF4MVP]

Would you have traded up and taken jenkins? all it took was a 5 and 7

I don't think so...I don't think Jenkins was that much better than Cason/Flowers. Plus, there is still strong depth at CB into the second round.
I agree with that..

[BallHawk]

Merling is going to be a strong possibility IMO.

That's scaring the shit outta me.

why? guy was a freak until he got a sports hernia and missed the combine and his pro day

If there's one position that you should never go for in the first round it's DE. Unless the guy is like Julius Peppers talent you wait.

[texaspackerbacker]

Could be a wideout at this point for the Packers--Best Player Available.

I don't like any of the Corners or O Linemen that are left. Maybe all you guys saying trade down will be right too.

I REALLY hope it ain't a D Lineman.

[motife]

I hope Thompson is not intimidated by facing the fans at the Draft Party. Trade down if you need to Ted.

[Rastak]

Texans take Brown, Schefter nails it....



Strengths: Has a quick first step and flashes the ability to get into position quickly. Gets adequate hand placement, has active feet and flashes the ability to sustain. Moves well laterally, can reach defenders lined up over outside shoulder and can seal the edge. Gets into pass set quickly and uses long arms to ride edge rushers past the pocket. Footwork is inconsistent and is vulnerable to double moves but can redirect in pass protection and has the potential to develop into a very good pass blocker once gains more experience. Moved from tight end to tackle in 2005 and can still line up there in goal line situations. Tall, times jumps fairly well and blocked a field goal attempt last year.

Weaknesses: Doesn't always take sound angles to blocks and can struggle to get into position at the second level. Plays too high, hasn't shown great lower body strength and is going to have problems driving two-gap defenders off the ball. Bends at the waist rather than the knees, is undersized and is going to have problems anchoring against bull rushers. Dives at defenders' feet rather than attacking the thigh pad and isn't an effective cut blocker at this point. Lacks ideal awareness and doesn't always adjust well to line stunts and blitzes.

Overall: Brown arrived at Virginia Tech as a tight end in 2003 and redshirted his first year. In 2004, he played in all 13 games as a reserve tight end, finishing the season with three receptions for 64 yards and a touchdown. He was switched to right tackle in 2005 and started all 26 games over the next two seasons (20005-06). He switched to left tackle in the spring of 2007 and started all 12 games as a senior. Brown is a former tight end who is still somewhat raw and inconsistent but there's no questioning his upside, as he has prototypical size, initial quickness and athletic ability. With that mind he projects as a third round pick.

[The Leaper]

Geez...another OT.

I'm guessing the chances of trading down are about 10% at this point.

[Tony Oday]

maybe free saftey?

[motife]

1 19 Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
2 21 Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
3 23 Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
4 24 Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
5 26 Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
6 28 Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State
7 30 Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
8 31 Curtis Lofton, MLB, Oklahoma
9 32 Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
10 33 Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fla
11 34 DeSean Jackson, WR, California
12 35 Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
13 36 DaJuan Morgan, S, North Carolina State
14 37 Chilo Rachal, OG, USC
15 38 Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
16 39 Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
17 40 Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (Fla

[TheCheese]

Would you have traded up and taken jenkins? all it took was a 5 and 7

Hell yeah i would of, Jenkins was the best man to man corner in the draft, oh well though, hes a cowboy now, bastards

[pbmax]

From his height/weight/former position, looks like D Colledge.

[Rastak]

Eagles trade 4th for Lorenzo Booker per Schefter......

[Charles Woodson]

Eagles trade a 4th to Dolphins for Lorenzo Booker

[motife]

now it's down to GB vs. the "S" teams :

27 San Diego
28 Seattle
29 San Francisco
30 Green Bay

[BF4MVP]

The final NFL Draft Countdown mock had Green Bay taking Kenny Phillips..

But Scott Wright said it would be an upgrade over Atari Bigby...Why not Nick Collins? Bigby is tons better than Collins....

[red]

Merling is going to be a strong possibility IMO.

That's scaring the shit outta me.

why? guy was a freak until he got a sports hernia and missed the combine and his pro day

If there's one position that you should never go for in the first round it's DE. Unless the guy is like Julius Peppers talent you wait.

thats the dumbest fucking thing i've read today

[motife]

The final NFL Draft Countdown mock had Green Bay taking Kenny Phillips..

But Scott Wright said it would be an upgrade over Atari Bigby...Why not Nick Collins? Bigby is tons better than Collins....

move Collins to CB and Rouse to Safety.

[GoPackGo]

1 19 Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
2 21 Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
3 23 Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
4 24 Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
5 26 Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
6 28 Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State
7 30 Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
8 31 Curtis Lofton, MLB, Oklahoma
9 32 Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
10 33 Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fla
11 34 DeSean Jackson, WR, California
12 35 Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
13 36 DaJuan Morgan, S, North Carolina State
14 37 Chilo Rachal, OG, USC
15 38 Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
16 39 Lawrence Jackson, DE, USC
17 40 Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (Fla
where is Arizona CB Cason on that list?

[imscott72]

Anybody know anything about Dustin Keller TE? Good size at 6'2 242 and would fill a need.

[Charles Woodson]

Cason to Chargers

[red]

cason going here

nice

[BF4MVP]

I think there's a possibility Green Bay goes with Flowers, even though he's short...He's pretty much the Anti-Carroll in every way other than similar height..

[Rastak]

Merling is going to be a strong possibility IMO.

That's scaring the shit outta me.

why? guy was a freak until he got a sports hernia and missed the combine and his pro day

If there's one position that you should never go for in the first round it's DE. Unless the guy is like Julius Peppers talent you wait.

thats the dumbest fucking thing i've read today


I know what he means.......it's damn fucking hard finding a DE it seems in round one unless you grab a top 1 or 2 at the position. Of course 30th is damn near a second round pick so taking a chance isn;t maybe a bad value.

[TheCheese]

Hopefully merling, cambel or trade down, I hope we dont get phillups

[The Leaper]

move Collins to CB and Rouse to Safety.

Move Collins to backup.

[motife]

where is Arizona CB Cason on that list?

68 Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona

[Rastak]

I think there's a possibility Green Bay goes with Flowers, even though he's short...He's pretty much the Anti-Carroll in every way other than similar height..


Can he defend with Boxing gloves?

[BallHawk]

Merling is going to be a strong possibility IMO.

That's scaring the shit outta me.

why? guy was a freak until he got a sports hernia and missed the combine and his pro day

If there's one position that you should never go for in the first round it's DE. Unless the guy is like Julius Peppers talent you wait.

thats the dumbest fucking thing i've read today

Sweet. What award to do I get?

[run pMc]

move Collins to CB and Rouse to Safety.


I disagree. Collins has trouble with TE's & RB's...can't imagine him covering WR's. Draft a CB, let him learn from Al & Charles, and let the competition for S be open in TC.

[The Leaper]

Bye Bye Cason.

[BF4MVP]

move Collins to CB and Rouse to Safety.

Move Collins to backup.
Yeah no kiddin :lol:

Collins has no ball skills..How can he be a corner?

[imscott72]

Cason gone...

[run pMc]

Crap. I was hoping he'd be a TT pick.

[Rastak]

Chargers get Cason:



Strengths: A tall, somewhat lean corner with long arms (32.3) and big hands (9.2). Very instinctive and confident. Played in a blitz-heavy scheme that frequently left him on an island, but he's better suited to play zone in the NFL. He has very good straight-line speed. Footwork is sound, plays with good balance and shows good burst coming out of cuts. Gets good knee bend in backpedal, reads routes fairly well and closes quickly. Times jumps well and is tall enough to compete for jump balls. Has quick feet and shows a second gear when tracking the ball downfield. Reads routes well, reads quarterback's eyes and is aggressive. Locates the ball well. Displays good ball skills and flashes big-play ability after interceptions. Physical and fills hard when reads run. Active and can effectively bluff blitz. Has progressed steadily and should only continue to get better with experience. A person of high character and a hard worker on and off the field. Passionate about the game and is out to prove he's better than people think. Very durable athlete.

Weaknesses: Though he has quick feet and good straight-line speed, he shows stiffness in his hips. Struggles to open quickly and mirror faster/quicker receivers. Press technique can improve. Hand-placement is inconsistent and he hasn't shown great upper body strength. Will have some problems rerouting receivers at the NFL level and is more effective playing off the line than he is jamming receivers. He plays the game hard but isn't as physical as you'd like to see, especially from a cover-2 type NFL prospect. Takes too long to shed block when gets reached and occasionally takes himself out of the play by trying to avoid blocker rather than stacking him up. Doesn't always wrap up upon contact and is an inconsistent open field tackler that isn't going to deliver a lot of big hits.

Overall: Cason arrived at Arizona in 2004 and went on to start all 46 games during his Wildcats career ('04-07). In his first three seasons, he compiled 182 tackles (10 for losses), three forced fumbles, 10 interceptions (one of which he returned for a touchdown) and 18 pass breakups. He turned in his finest season as a senior, recording 71 tackles (four for losses), two forced fumbles, five interceptions (two of which he returned for TDs) and 14 pass breakups. He had two more scores and averaged 10.0 yards on 27 punt returns last season. Cason also participated on Arizona's track team in 2006, competing in the 200 meters and the sprint relays. His father Wendell played three seasons in the NFL and his cousins  Aveion Cason and Ken-yon Rambo  also played in the league. Aveion has played six seasons with three different teams and Ken-yon played two seasons (2001-02) for the Cowboys. Cason has some stiffness in his hips and will struggle to turn-and-run with some faster NFL receivers, which is why he's best suited to play in a cover-2 heavy scheme. Otherwise, his combination of physical tools, mental toughness and versatility is impressive. He has the size, straight-line speed and anticipation to emerge as a solid starter in a zone-heavy NFL defense, and he also can compete for touches on punt returns. Cason should come off the board in Round 2.

[BF4MVP]

I like Flowers better than Cason anyway.

[texaspackerbacker]

Good. I didn't want the Packers to take Cason.

I don't like Flowers either, though.

[Bretsky]

Would you have traded up and taken jenkins? all it took was a 5 and 7


TT would say no

[red]

Anybody know anything about Dustin Keller TE? Good size at 6'2 242 and would fill a need.

we can get a very nice quality TE in the second

[BallHawk]

Good. I didn't want the Packers to take Cason.

Yup.

[Guiness]

I've got $5 that says TT doesn't pick a guy from the list Motife keeps flashing :twisted:

Countdown to pulling of hair at T-30

[TheCheese]

I really like Cason as a football player but didn't really feel he fit our system too well. Gonna be a good one for the chargers.

[pittstang5]

Crap. I was hoping he'd be a TT pick.

Me too. Damn!

[Charles Woodson]

Would you have traded up and taken jenkins? all it took was a 5 and 7


TT would say no

But what would B say?

[motife]

here's the draft slot vs. the rankings. They didn't like Cason that much, obviously. But there are only 3 outliers so far, including Cason. :

1 1 Jake Long, OT, Michigan
2 5 Chris Long, DE, Virginia
3 3 Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
4 6 Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
5 4 Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
6 2 Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State
7 7 Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
8 10 Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
9 13 Keith Rivers, LB, USC
10 15 Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
11 8 Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
12 12 Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
13 11 Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
14 25 Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
15 9 Branden Albert, OG-OT, Virginia
16 18 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State
17 17 Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
18 53 Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
19 14 Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
20 29 Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
21 27 Sam Baker, OL, USC
22 22 Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
23 16 Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
24 42 Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
25 20 Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
26 70 Duane Brown, OT, Virginia Tech
27 68 Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona

[BF4MVP]

I've got $5 that says TT doesn't pick a guy from the list Motife keeps flashing :twisted:

Countdown to pulling of hair at T-30
That's certainly what happened last year, so I wouldn't be surprised..

[GrnBay007]

things have sure slowed down.....taking forever to get to #30

[Rastak]

I've got $5 that says TT doesn't pick a guy from the list Motife keeps flashing :twisted:

Countdown to pulling of hair at T-30


True dat.

[motife]

28 Seattle
29 San Francisco
30 Green Bay

[BF4MVP]

Holy crap, that list didn't like Brown much either

[Charles Woodson]

I really like Cason as a football player but didn't really feel he fit our system too well. Gonna be a good one for the chargers.
I agree, i really liked him, and had wished he would have fit in our system, but oh well..

[The Leaper]

I'm guessing Thompson says NO to Flowers...at least at #30. Perhaps if he can trade back he'd consider him.

[MateoInMex]

Good Afternoon Everyone!! It's been a while. I thought Mike Jenkins would fall to #30 and the Packers would have selected him...it looks more like the Front Page of PR, O Lineman.

[imscott72]

here's the draft slot vs. the rankings. They didn't like Cason that much, obviously. But there are only 3 outliers so far, including Cason. :

1 1 Jake Long, OT, Michigan
2 5 Chris Long, DE, Virginia
3 3 Matt Ryan, QB, Boston College
4 6 Darren McFadden, RB, Arkansas
5 4 Glenn Dorsey, DT, LSU
6 2 Vernon Gholston, DE, Ohio State
7 7 Sedrick Ellis, DT, USC
8 10 Derrick Harvey, DE, Florida
9 13 Keith Rivers, LB, USC
10 15 Jerod Mayo, LB, Tennessee
11 8 Leodis McKelvin, CB, Troy
12 12 Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
13 11 Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon
14 25 Chris Williams, OT, Vanderbilt
15 9 Branden Albert, OG-OT, Virginia
16 18 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Tennessee State
17 17 Gosder Cherilus, OT, Boston College
18 53 Joe Flacco, QB, Delaware
19 14 Jeff Otah, OT, Pittsburgh
20 29 Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas
21 27 Sam Baker, OL, USC
22 22 Felix Jones, RB, Arkansas
23 16 Rashard Mendenhall, RB, Illinois
24 42 Chris Johnson, RB, East Carolina
25 20 Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida
26 70 Duane Brown, OT, Virginia Tech
27 68 Antoine Cason, CB, Arizona

Wow they weren't that high on Brown either..

[Bretsky]

I've got $5 that says TT doesn't pick a guy from the list Motife keeps flashing :twisted:

Countdown to pulling of hair at T-30


I'd take that bet

[motife]

you can't argue with S.D. on picking Cason. Along with NE, no other team has done a better job drafting.

[The Leaper]

Does Lito become more of a possibility now?

[TennesseePackerBacker]

Merling would definitely be BPA, not to mention it would completely solidify our D-Line. If not maybe DeSean Jackson if he makes it past San Fran.

I'm telling you guys, no 1st rd. CB this year, we probably won't get one until the last 2nd or early 3rd.

[Lurker64]

I have this creeping fear that we're going to take Merling. We're going to take Merling aren't we?

[pbmax]

Even first round picks have a high bust rate if the dividing line is solid starter. Falling in love with one player is a recipe for disaster.

[Bretsky]

Would you have traded up and taken jenkins? all it took was a 5 and 7


TT would say no

But what would B say?


I'd probably go get him

[GoPackGo]

Seattle goes WR here

[red]

fucking christ. we're 20 minutes from our pick and wtmj is talking about fucking baseball

[The Leaper]

I have this creeping fear that we're going to take Merling. We're going to take Merling aren't we?

I'm about 85% certain of that right now.

[The Leaper]

fucking christ. we're 20 minutes from our pick and wtmj is talking about fucking baseball

BREATHE, red.

BREATHE!

[TheCheese]

I have this creeping fear that we're going to take Merling. We're going to take Merling aren't we?

Damn i hope so

[Charles Woodson]

Seattle takes Lawrence Jackson... Hmm

[motife]

Wow they weren't that high on Brown either..

Brown, Cason and Chris Johnson were the "misses" so far. Otherwise, it's pretty accurate.

There is going to be a LOT of degrading from here on out though.

TT will probably pick either Daryn Colledge, Nick Collins, Justin Harrell, Brandon Jackson, Greg Jennings or James Jones's brother.

[BF4MVP]

Hmmmm.......Apparently SEA didn't think Merling was the best DE available..

[Rastak]

Hawks grab Jackson DE


Strengths: Possesses good overall size; adequate height, thickly built with longer arms (34.1) and bigger hands (9.1). Displays good initial quickness and mobility for his size. Shows some variety as a pass rusher, using a combination of quickness and power. At his best as a pass rusher when working one-on-one on the perimeter. Displays enough upper-and-lower body strength to seal off the perimeter when he's playing with leverage. Does a good job at times of keeping separation from blockers and is learning how to disengage quicker than he would earlier in his career. Is tough and plays with a mean streak.

Weaknesses: Is more quick than fast. Lacks ideal top-end speed. He will never be the type of speed-end that can consistently run past offensive tackles. Lacks explosive closing burst as a pass rusher. Really struggles to split the double-team. He leaves his feet too frequently. Durability is only a minor concern but he has had ankle surgery twice during collegiate career; once in 2003 and most recently in spring of 2007.

Overall: Jackson was redshirted in 2003 and underwent arthroscopic surgery on his right ankle after the season. In his first three active seasons (2004-'06), he played in 39 games and recorded 121 total tackles (35 for losses), 20 sacks, five forced fumbles and two interceptions. Jackson started all 13 games as a senior, delivering 60 tackles (17 for losses), 10.5 sacks and two forced fumbles. His right ankle required a second surgery before 2007 spring practice. His brother, Keith, played offensive tackle at Arizona. Jackson was one of the best young defensive ends in the nation during his first two seasons at USC (2004-'05) before his production tailed off as a junior in 2006. Part of the problem was that Jackson spent more time inside as the Trojans' injected more 3-4 alignments on defense. The other problem was that Jackson didn't handle all the double-team attention well. Regardless, Jackson bounced back as a senior in 2007, showing far more explosiveness when turned loose more frequently as an outside rusher. Jackson does not possess great top-end speed but his combination of initial quickness, size and power give him a chance to make an impact as an every-down starter in the NFL -- likely as an end in a traditional 4-3 scheme. But if he doesn't become a more consistent performer on the next level; Jackson will be a disappointment as a projected second-round pick.

[The Leaper]

Thank you Seattle.

[GoPackGo]

ok we are on deck

[Rastak]

fucking christ. we're 20 minutes from our pick and wtmj is talking about fucking baseball



Idiots.....

[BallHawk]

I have this creeping fear that we're going to take Merling. We're going to take Merling aren't we?

I'm about 85% certain of that right now.

Please no. That'd ruin my day.

[texaspackerbacker]

Dustin Keller is beginning to look good too. There are a bunch of other TEs who will be there in the second, though, too.

[TheCheese]

I have this creeping fear that we're going to take Merling. We're going to take Merling aren't we?

I'm about 85% certain of that right now.

Please no. That'd ruin my day.

Why, have you seen Merling play? Dude is a stud and great value at this point.

[Bretsky]

Merling
Balmer
Flowers
GOSH, do we consider a WR here ?


Can't believe at pick #30 we might be able to draft the top WR in the draft

BPA baby

[motife]

1 19 Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State
2 21 Phillip Merling, DE, Clemson
3 23 Limas Sweed, WR, Texas
4 24 Kentwan Balmer, DT, North Carolina
5 26 Chad Henne, QB, Michigan
6 28 Tyrell Johnson, S, Arkansas State
7 30 Brandon Flowers, CB, Virginia Tech
8 31 Curtis Lofton, MLB, Oklahoma
9 32 Dustin Keller, TE, Purdue
10 33 Calais Campbell, DE, Miami (Fla
11 34 DeSean Jackson, WR, California
12 35 Brian Brohm, QB, Louisville
13 36 DaJuan Morgan, S, North Carolina State
14 37 Chilo Rachal, OG, USC
15 38 Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma
16 40 Kenny Phillips, S, Miami (Fla

[red]

merling or flowers for us

come on

[Brando19]

Packers are on the clock....get ready to trade down.

[BallHawk]

Dustin Keller is beginning to look good too.

I'd be OK with that.

[Bretsky]

LEAVE FLOWERS ALONE

[Charles Woodson]

Hey its our pick!!!!!
San Fran takes Kentwan Balmer

[BallHawk]

TRADE DOWN!

[TheCheese]

Hell yeah, come on Merling

[The Leaper]

I'm about 95% certain we take Merling now.

[Rastak]

9ers take Blamer.......not bad.....


Strengths: Is tall with adequate bulk and room to get even bigger if necessary. When he plays hard he can be flat-out dominant. Gets good forward lean in stance and displays outstanding initial quickness. Has experience playing DT and NT. Takes sound angles to the ball and makes plays in pursuit. Is playing with a better motor as a senior. He can take on blocks when he stays low. Generally wraps up upon contact and is an adequate open field tackler. Athletic, flashes the ability to redirect inside after setting blockers up to the outside and is a relentless pass rusher. Moves well laterally and runs line stunts well. Shows adequate awareness, times jumps well and he gets hands up when isn't going to get to the quarterback. Blocked two kicks in 2006 and can contribute on special teams.

Weaknesses: Inconsistent effort earlier in career. Is he a one-year wonder? Plays too high at times and will lose his power when he does. Not disciplined enough. Gets sucked inside and upfield too often. Needs to do a more consistent job with his hands and can take too long to shed blocks.

Overall: In his first three seasons at North Carolina (2004-'06), Balmer appeared in 30 games (11 starts) at defensive end and defensive tackle, recording 34 tackles (7.5 for losses) and 3.5 sacks. As a senior in 2007, he started all 12 games and delivered 59 tackles (9.5 for losses) and 3.5 sacks. He had right knee surgery following the 2005 season and missed two games in '06 after suffering an ankle sprain. Balmer could play DE in a three-man front but we think he's better suited to play DT or NT in a 4-3 scheme in the NFL. Regardless, he is tall and strong with adequate bulk and outstanding quickness. Balmer can take on blocks, disrupt plays in the backfield and collapse the pocket  but only when he wants to. While he finally displayed first-round ability as a senior, NFL teams must be concerned about this one-year wonder. Prior to 2007 we viewed Balmer as a talented underachiever and the question is whether the light has finally come on or if he will revert to old, lazy habits following his big NFL payday.

[BF4MVP]

merling or flowers for us

come on
I would not complain about that one bit.

[red]

ok, balmers gone

here we go.

what are you going to blow us away with this year TT?

[BallHawk]

LEAVE FLOWERS ALONE

Yup.

[MadtownPacker]

I want a trade down so badly...

BUt I say TT goes WR just to piss everyone off..

[Chubbyhubby]

WE ARE UP!

[Charles Woodson]

Dustin Keller is beginning to look good too.

I'd be OK with that.

I would love to trade down a lil and take him

[imscott72]

listen to the "Go Pack Go" in the crowd...Nice!!

[Brando19]

There's a Go Pack Go chant in New York...haha.

[BallHawk]

Dustin Keller would be a good pick here.

[BF4MVP]

Wow we're fast.

[Rastak]

BPA:

Just my wild ass guess...


Thomas WR
Merling DE


edit: or Brohm.....

[Bretsky]

FIRST OFF TRY TO TRADE DOWN

Otherwise it should probably be Merling
We can pick up a solid CB in round two, but Merling has fallen lower than most though

I'd also be OK with Flowers, or the top rated WR or TE

Please no QB

[imscott72]

our pick is in already?

[RashanGary]

My guess
ESPN commercial
Merling
Hardy
Trade down

[BF4MVP]

I'd rather have merling than thomas

[CaliforniaCheez]

WHO KNOWS??

[MateoInMex]

Please don't be a guy that will be there late in the 2nd Teddy.

[Bretsky]

I want a trade down so badly...

BUt I say TT goes WR just to piss everyone off..


I'm OK there

BH would be upset cuz Ruvell Martin might be out da door

[texaspackerbacker]

My final word: I go with you trade down guys.

[Rastak]

our pick is in already?


Yes,

Gaurd Alfred Liepschitz of Acorn State College.

[Brando19]

The Packers traded to the Jets!??

[motife]

KGB really fell off in the 2nd half of the season. Jenkins can't rush from the outside.

[imscott72]

Traded down!!!

[BF4MVP]

Traded!

[BallHawk]

YES!!!!!!!!

[red]

trade to jets

[Bretsky]

YES YES YES YES

JETS JETS :lol:

[MadtownPacker]

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRADE DOWN!!!

[The Leaper]

TRADE DOWN BABY!

I like it.

[GrnBay007]

LOL trade. anyone surprised?

[Brando19]

So what do we get now?

[GoPackGo]

I wonder if we have #38 now....

[MadtownPacker]

What is the deal??

[digitaldean]

I can see the trade down DEPENDING on what TT got for it.

[Badgerinmaine]

what did the Pack get?

[Rastak]

YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TRADE DOWN!!!


Nothing like a happy Madtown.

[TheCheese]

Good move either way, hopefully there we still get a DE

[BallHawk]

our pick is in already?


Yes,

Gaurd Alfred Liepschitz of Acorn State College.

LMAO. :lol:

[Bretsky]

MY GUESS is we get pick 36 and the Jets early 4th rounder

[motife]

LOL trade. anyone surprised?

BOB MCGINN = GOD

[BF4MVP]

LOL trade. anyone surprised?
I am a little...TT has always traded down from the second round on, but he's never traded a first round pick..

[TennesseePackerBacker]

WOOOO BEST CASE SCENARIO TRADE DOWN

[CaliforniaCheez]

THEY TAKE A QB OR TRADE BACK FOR WHO WANTS A QB??

THAT'S MY GUESS.

[The Leaper]

We would have to get #5 in the second...unless we get a first round pick next year.

[red]

they get 30

we get probably 36 and a 4th

[Charles Woodson]

yay

[Carolina_Packer]

YES YES YES YES

JETS JETS :lol:

Just Enlisted a Trading Sucker!

[BF4MVP]

MY GUESS is we get pick 36 and the Jets early 4th rounder
Hmm..That'd be a bad deal I think....a fourth rounder?

[Charles Woodson]

they get 30

we get probably 36 and a 4th

ya

[BallHawk]

MY GUESS is we get pick 36 and the Jets early 4th rounder

WINNER!!!!

[red]

MY GUESS is we get pick 36 and the Jets early 4th rounder

geat minds b

[Rastak]

Wow, Pack got a 2 and a 4!

[The Leaper]

We should still be able to get Flowers now...and an extra 4th.

[TheCheese]

Fuck, was hoping we would get a third pick from that

[Gunakor]

Jets trade up for Dustin Keller, TE Purdue

[BallHawk]

Damn.

I was hoping Keller would be there.

[MadtownPacker]

LOL trade. anyone surprised?
I am a little...TT has always traded down from the second round on, but he's never traded a first round pick..This pick was not a first rounder anyways. Excellent move by Ted. Great start to the day and he hasnt even picked!!

[motife]

trade down 7 spots, get a high 4th, which is almost a 3rd.

[BF4MVP]

Hmmmm............

[pbmax]

I thought it was McGenius?




LOL trade. anyone surprised?

BOB MCGINN = GOD

[Bretsky]

MY GUESS is we get pick 36 and the Jets early 4th rounder



BINGO

[imscott72]

a 2nd and a 4th..Nice!!

[RashanGary]

MY GUESS is we get pick 36 and the Jets early 4th rounder

Good One

[Rastak]

Sounds like Jets may grab Keller per Mayock. Man, they sure have re-tooled that offense.

[digitaldean]

TT got a 2nd and a 4th for the trade.

[MadtownPacker]

Stoned cold draft pimping!!! He worked out a great deal. The 36 overall and their 4th.

[Gunakor]

I'm okay with this trade. Flowers could still be there for us. I didn't think the Jets would be the ones to trade back up into the first round though...

[motife]

in a normal year, the 36th pick is the 4th pick in the 2nd round. Not much different than the 30th.

[The Leaper]

Jets sure taking awhile on this one.

[red]

still looking at flowers at 36

also get 113 i think they said

[Guiness]

What is the deal??

The deal is Bretsky owes me five bucks 8-)

[CyclonePackFan]

Two constants of the universe:

Draft coverage (NFL Net, anyway) goes to commercial during Packer pick, and Ted Thompson trades down.

[Bretsky]

Damn.

I was hoping Keller would be there.


Good chance he's there at the Jets pick

[Carolina_Packer]

Hmmmm............

If they were locked and loaded on a guy and thought they couldn't get him, they probably woudn't have moved. They probably figured they were still going to get their guy either way.

[Badgerinmaine]

The deal works for me...second rounders are cheaper to sign, too.

[GoPackGo]

MY GUESS is we get pick 36 and the Jets early 4th rounder

WINNER!!!!

winner winner chicken dinner

[CaliforniaCheez]

Flowers is a short 5' 9" character who is slow!!

[Chubbyhubby]

We just traded our pick to the Jets

We get 2nd pick from Jets and a 4th round pick

[gbgary]

The deal works for me...second rounders are cheaper to sign, too.

right...we don't have any money.

[Tony Oday]

Time to trade one of our 2nds for Jason Taylor :)

[MateoInMex]

YOU GOTTA GIVE IT UP TO JETS FANS.....THE NFL DRAFT IS THEIR FUCKING SUPERBOWL!!

[digitaldean]

Two constants of the universe:

Draft coverage (NFL Net, anyway) goes to commercial during Packer pick, and Ted Thompson trades down.

ESPN has done that in previous seasons too.

[imscott72]

Well there goes a good TE...Was hoping we could get him...

[red]

theres the reaction we were looking for lol

[Rastak]

Nice pick by the Jets.......Keller......


Strengths: Very athletic pass-catching weapon. Settles into soft spots when reads zone coverage and uses frame to shield defenders from the ball. Flashes the ability to make the tough catch in traffic and has the potential to develop into a productive red zone target. Lacks ideal explosiveness but changes directions well and runs adequate routes. He will generate yards after catch. Shows a second gear when tracking the ball downfield, knows when to turn back to look for passes and flashes the ability to work the seam. Gets adequate hand placement has a mean streak and flashes the ability to sustain blocks. Takes adequate angles to blocks and get into position at the second level. Has experience lining up wide, size can cause matchup problems for corners and is somewhat versatile.

Weaknesses: Is short, lacks ideal bulk for a tight end and can get muscled out of routes by linebackers and safeties. Footwork is inconsistent, takes some false steps and doesn't always get into good position. Doesn't deliver a powerful punch and isn't going to knock many defenders back. Isn't going to make many defenders miss, lacks breakaway speed and isn't much of a big-play threat after the catch. Missed 2005 games with a sprained ankle, played with a broken left hand in 2006 and durability is somewhat of a concern.

Overall: Keller reshirted his first year at Purdue (2003), moving from wide receiver to tight end before his freshman season. He appeared in 33 games (13 starts) in his first three seasons (2004-'06), hauling in 74 receptions for 1,001 yards (13.5 average) and nine touchdowns. As a senior, he hauled in 68 receptions for 881 yards (13.0 average) and seven touchdowns in 13 games (all starts). His receptions per game (5.2) and receiving yards per game (67.8) ranked fourth and fifth, respectively, among the country's tight ends in 2007. Keller missed one game in 2005 because of an ankle injury. Keller is undersized and he will never be a dominant drive blocker. He also will struggle to get off the line at times. However, this converted wide receiver is a playmaking threat in the passing game with the hands, athletic ability and versatility to develop into a quality contributor in the NFL. Teams that like to spread things out more offensively and have use for an H-back type should value Keller in the third round of the 2008 draft.

[The Leaper]

Time to trade one of our 2nds for Jason Taylor :)

I'd rather trade one for LITO.

[GrnBay007]

YOU GOTTA GIVE IT UP TO JETS FANS.....THE NFL DRAFT IS THEIR FUCKING SUPERBOWL!!

:lol: :lol:

[cpk1994]

Gotta love the Jets fans.....

[Badgerinmaine]

YOU GOTTA GIVE IT UP TO JETS FANS.....THE NFL DRAFT IS THEIR FUCKING SUPERBOWL!!
Well, they haven't had the other kind in a heckuva long time. :P

[run pMc]

I hear Keller is a good receiver, but a turnstile blocker.

[BF4MVP]

Nevermind

[digitaldean]

So much for our TE!!!!

[Carolina_Packer]

YOU GOTTA GIVE IT UP TO JETS FANS.....THE NFL DRAFT IS THEIR FUCKING SUPERBOWL!!

That's funny!

[Bretsky]

OK he is not going to be there

I'm betting TT trades back once more with one of his 2nd round picks as well

[MadtownPacker]

YOU GOTTA GIVE IT UP TO JETS FANS.....THE NFL DRAFT IS THEIR FUCKING SUPERBOWL!!You aint joking. These fuckers make it party out that shit. They all look like WTF with their pick.