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Patler
04-28-2008, 10:42 AM
As the roster has improved in overall quality the last few years, looking at the training camp battles becomes less of a "Who will they keep?" and more of a "Who will they cut?" situation. Deciding who to let go from among several you like somewhat, rather than who to keep from among a group none of which you really want.

Assuming 3 specialist and 25 offense and 25 defense, the battles to be fought for roster spots are:

QB (3)- No roster battles, unless they also bring in a vet. It is likely to be Rodgers, Brohm and Flynn. BUT - the interesting thing is there are very likely to be 3, not 2 as at the start of 2007, which means one less roster spot somewhere else.

RB/FB (5) - some interesting battles here. Grant and Jackson are likely givens. But then...do they keep only one pure fullback, Hall or Kuhn, or just one and a more combination type who can play either position, like Herron or Cory White as the second full back? Where does Ryan Powdrell fit in, if at all? Regardless of the issues at fullback, Morrency and Wynn are likely fighting for one spot. Hall, Kuhn, Powdrell, Herron and White are fighting for 2 spots.

TE/WR (8) - can likely keep only eight in total this season, with having 3 QBs on the roster This will make for some very interesting considerations. Finley seems athletic enough that with Lee they will have good receiving TEs, maybe justifying also keeping Humphrey and just 5 WRs. On the other hand, Jordy Nelson gives them a big body, justifying perhaps just 2 TEs. Regardless of the TE/WR makeup, Driver, Jennings, Jones, Nelson, Lee and Finley will be on the roster taking 6 spots. Do they keep Swain? Humphrey, Robinson, Martin, and Bodiford could be fighting it out for one roster spot, or possibly two with Swain also in the competition. Bodiford depends strictly on ST makeup, and probably has no real chance to be one of the 8, only if they keep 9.

O-line (9) - Someone's time is up. Can probably keep 9 at most. Clifton, Tauscher, Wells and Spitz are givens. Colledge, Sitton, Barbre, Coston and Stephenson are fighting for 3 guard spots, and Giacomini, Moll, Thompson and Toledo for 2 tackle spots. Coston, Moll and Thompson are on their last legs. They have to show real capability, or they will be replaced by others with "potential".

LBs-6 at most. Barnett, Hawk, Chillar and Poppinga take 4 spots, Tracy White possibly the 6th for special teams. Hodge, Bishop and Havner (OK maybe just Hodge and Bishop!) are fighting for one spot.

DL - 8? 9?, 10? 11? This is a tough one. Kampman, Pickett, Jenkins and Harrell for sure, Jolly depending on his recuperation status. If healthy, he makes it too. Thompson makes it unless he absolutely bombs out in camp. Muir, Cole, and Bolston are fighting for one or two spots. KGB, Montgomery and Hunter may be in a battle for two spots, and special teams play could be a deciding factor.

DBs - 9 or 10 depending on the # of DL. Woodson, Harris, Lee, Collins, Bigby, Rouse use 6 spots. Blackmon if healthy probably makes it, too. Culver, Peprah, Bush and Williams, are likely battling for just two spots.

There is a 3 way battle for punter.

There is a two way battle for long snapper. Not that he expected it to be given to him I'm sure, but Gafford may have felt the spot was his to lose. If he were the only one in camp, all he had to do was not screw up. Now, little things will be important, like down field coverage after a punt, the time on his snaps as well as accuracy. A healthy situation for the Packers.

I expect quite a few players released by the Packers will find their way on to other rosters. A number of players will be cut who you would not mind having on your roster.

HarveyWallbangers
04-28-2008, 10:55 AM
DBs - 9 or 10 depending on the # of DL. Woodson, Harris, Lee, Collins, Bigby, Rouse use 6 spots. Blackmon if healthy probably makes it, too. Culver, Peprah, Bush and Williams, are likely battling for just two spots.

Peprah and Culver fighting for one spot--with Peprah the slight favorite.
Williams and Bush fighting for one spot--with Williams the overwhelming favorite. They may keep 6 corners though--if the 6th guy (Bush) shows that he deserves a spot on the team.

pbmax
04-28-2008, 10:59 AM
Excellent breakdown Patler. I am definitely looking forward to the DL battles, as I hope the overall level of play is raised. Jolly and Harrell hopefully can raise their level of play. I am more concerned about finding a 3rd down rush end. Perhaps Thompson.

An real step up for the third CB would be great.

And I haven't mentioned that some may be paying attention to the level of play at QB.

Patler
04-28-2008, 11:04 AM
DBs - 9 or 10 depending on the # of DL. Woodson, Harris, Lee, Collins, Bigby, Rouse use 6 spots. Blackmon if healthy probably makes it, too. Culver, Peprah, Bush and Williams, are likely battling for just two spots.

Peprah and Culver fighting for one spot--with Peprah the slight favorite.
Williams and Bush fighting for one spot--with Williams the overwhelming favorite. They may keep 6 corners though--if the 6th guy (Bush) shows that he deserves a spot on the team.

Probably two separate battles, as you suggest. They could go with just 3 safeties this year if one or two of the corners show they can be a starter, allowing Woodson to move to safety if a couple safeties go down. Overall I think the depth at corner is better than at safety. Again, special teams play could decide between a fourth safety or a 6th corner.

The Leaper
04-28-2008, 11:06 AM
TE/WR (8) - On the other hand, Jordy Nelson gives them a big body, justifying perhaps just 2 TEs.

We have to keep 3 TEs IMO...Finley is a bit of a project, and having only Lee and Finley is a big stretch. I think we will stick with 5 WRs and will stick a couple on the practice squad just in case.


I expect quite a few players released by the Packers will find their way on to other rosters. A number of players will be cut who you would not mind having on your roster.

I also expect Thompson will have a good chance at landing a 2009 draft pick in a trade near the end of camp...probably by trading a WR, most likely Robinson.

Patler
04-28-2008, 11:11 AM
TE/WR (8) - On the other hand, Jordy Nelson gives them a big body, justifying perhaps just 2 TEs.

We have to keep 3 TEs IMO...Finley is a bit of a project, and having only Lee and Finley is a big stretch. I think we will stick with 5 WRs and will stick a couple on the practice squad just in case.


I expect it to go that way too, although I'm not convinced about Tory Humphrey as a third TE, and right now they have no other TEs on the roster. The 6th WR might be a better player than the 3rd TE.

Patler
04-28-2008, 11:16 AM
I expect quite a few players released by the Packers will find their way on to other rosters. A number of players will be cut who you would not mind having on your roster.

I also expect Thompson will have a good chance at landing a 2009 draft pick in a trade near the end of camp...probably by trading a WR, most likely Robinson.

That's possible, but a bit difficult, too. I'm not sure that Robinson or Martin, for example, will be wanted enough for a team to give up a draft pick if they know the Packers will have to release them anyway. Although, Robinson I suppose could garner a Ryan Grant type trade for a 6th or 7th. Martin, not likely, in my opinion.

Cheesehead Craig
04-28-2008, 12:20 PM
LBs-6 at most. Barnett, Hawk, Chillar and Poppinga take 4 spots, Tracy White possibly the 6th for special teams. Hodge, Bishop and Havner (OK maybe just Hodge and Bishop!) are fighting for one spot.
It's gonna be Barnett, Hawk, Chillar, Pops, White and Bishop. Hodge's knees are done and Bishop is much better than Havner. Unless some undrafted FA has a monster camp, that should be it.

Lurker64
04-28-2008, 12:37 PM
It's gonna be Barnett, Hawk, Chillar, Pops, White and Bishop. Hodge's knees are done and Bishop is much better than Havner. Unless some undrafted FA has a monster camp, that should be it.

I don't know if we can say that Hodge's knees are done. What held him up the last couple of seasons was untreated tendonitis, which is now treated. Tendonitis isn't really an injury that's going to affect him longterm after it's been treated, it's a very common injury and a full recovery is almost certain. It's not like he tore an ACL or something.

Patler
04-28-2008, 12:42 PM
It's gonna be Barnett, Hawk, Chillar, Pops, White and Bishop. Hodge's knees are done and Bishop is much better than Havner. Unless some undrafted FA has a monster camp, that should be it.

I don't know if we can say that Hodge's knees are done. What held him up the last couple of seasons was untreated tendonitis, which is now treated. Tendonitis isn't really an injury that's going to affect him longterm after it's been treated, it's a very common injury and a full recovery is almost certain. It's not like he tore an ACL or something.

Hodge is kind of like a rookie all over again. I, for one, have no idea what to expect from him. His tendonitis goes way back, apparently. If he is now pain-free, we could see a much different player than even that from his rookie season.

Noodle
04-28-2008, 01:27 PM
Didn't Giacomini play some TE in college? If we think we need a blocker to shore up Lee and Finley, I'd rather have Giacomini do that on occassion than waste time with a guy like Humphrey. Kid would probably love it, as it gets him some play time that may otherwise be hard to come by with Tausch and Cliffy inked in for 16+.

Lurker64
04-28-2008, 01:32 PM
Didn't Giacomini play some TE in college? If we think we need a blocker to shore up Lee and Finley, I'd rather have Giacomini do that on occassion than waste time with a guy like Humphrey. Kid would probably love it, as it gets him some play time that may otherwise be hard to come by with Tausch and Cliffy inked in for 16+.

He did play TE in college for a bit, but he's gotten bigger since he moved inside. So if you move him out he would be a very large TE. U-248 anybody? ;)

Patler
04-28-2008, 02:33 PM
Didn't Giacomini play some TE in college? If we think we need a blocker to shore up Lee and Finley, I'd rather have Giacomini do that on occassion than waste time with a guy like Humphrey. Kid would probably love it, as it gets him some play time that may otherwise be hard to come by with Tausch and Cliffy inked in for 16+.

He did play TE in college for a bit, but he's gotten bigger since he moved inside. So if you move him out he would be a very large TE. U-248 anybody? ;)

Moll was a tight end for 3 years in college, starting for 2 years.

Scott Campbell
04-28-2008, 03:13 PM
So if you move him out he would be a very large TE. U-248 anybody? ;)


There's nothing wrong with that being in the playbook Sherman just went to the well too often.

Scott Campbell
04-28-2008, 03:17 PM
I expect quite a few players released by the Packers will find their way on to other rosters. A number of players will be cut who you would not mind having on your roster.



I think were in a much better position to deal with injuries because of this depth, and a few of these roster battles are likely to be re-arranged by guys getting hurt. We also might be able to trade some of the cuts the way the Giants traded Grant to us last year.