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Phil03
05-27-2008, 04:44 PM
I posted on here a few times and recently wrote an article about Aaron Rodgers. It's mainly about trying to project his stats for fantasy purposes but though it might interest you guys and I'm curious to see what you think.




Aaron Rodgers in the Top 10

One of the biggest questions for fantasy football players entering the 2008 season is to determine when to draft Aaron Rodgers. Favre finished the season as the 7th best ranked quarterback in 2008 and the Packers still have an excellent offensive line and a very deep group of wide receivers. The following article will explain why Aaron Rodgers is ranked at number 10 in Ultimate FF Strategy’s 2008 Quarterback Rankings (http://www.ultimateffstrategy.com/Rankings/qb.htm)

The first thing to look at is historical statistics to see how other quarterbacks performed in their first season as a starter. In order to find only the quarterbacks that were full-time starters for the first time in their career, we will only consider quarterbacks who did not play more than five games in previous seasons and who attempted over 400 passes in the next season. Rodgers is entering his fourth season in the NFL so we will only look at quarterbacks who became full-time starters in years three, four or five. There are 14 quarterbacks that respect these criterions, the latest ones being Derek Anderson in 2007, Philip Rivers and Rex Grossman in 2006 and Jake Delhomme in 2003. Those 14 quarterbacks averaged 233 fantasy points based on their passing statistics alone and three of them had over 280 fantasy points. It is a little difficult to compare Rodgers to those quarterbacks but we know that Green Bay is a very solid offense and Rodgers is in a very good situation. Those numbers show us that quarterbacks who have some backup experience and become starters generally have some pretty good success in their first year.

The Packers offensive line is one of the best in the league and you can find my in depth analysis on their situation here (http://www.ultimateffstrategy.com/OLine/green_bay_packers.php). In short, the line improved in run blocking as the season progressed, is pretty young and has good depth. The downside of this line is that the guards are not very strong and will get pushed into the backfield which was not much of an issue with Favre because he gets rid of the ball so quickly but it could be more difficult for Rodgers. They gave up 19 sacks last season and we can probably expect Rodgers to be sacked about 25-30 times this year but he will get better as the season progresses.

It is difficult to evaluate Rodgers because he only had 28 pass attempts last season but he was very impressive in the game against the Cowboys when he completed 18 of his 26 passes for 201 yards and a touchdown. It would be too much to expect from Rodgers to have that kind of performance every week but it gives us an idea of how good he can be. The Packers had 4,400 passing yards, 30 touchdowns and 15 interceptions last season so we will use very conservative projections that the passing yards will decrease by 20%, the touchdowns by 25% and interceptions will increase by 25%. Those numbers would give Rodgers 3,600 passing yards with 22 touchdowns and 19 interceptions for 249 fantasy points, slightly above the average of 233 that we found earlier. However, one aspect that we did not account for in any projections thus far is the running game and Rodgers is much more mobile than Brett Favre. So far Rodgers has attempted 59 passes in his NFL career and has rushed eight times (excluding the three kneel downs) or about one time for every seven pass attempts. We will once again use very conservative numbers and project that he will rush one time for every ten pass attempts which means he would carry the ball about 50 times. The NFL average for quarterbacks is about 3.0 yards per carry and one touchdown per 32 rushing attempts. This would mean that Rodgers would have about 150 rushing yards and one touchdown for a total of 270 fantasy points. Those numbers would have made Rodgers the 10th best fantasy quarterback last season.

The projections used to obtain those numbers were very conservative and last season the Packers quarterbacks had 333 fantasy points so there is potential for Rodgers to have a lot more than 270. There is some risk because it is his first season as starter but he is still a pretty safe pick because there is good depth on the offensive line and at wide receiver so they should be able to deal with injuries. In conclusion, Rodgers is a safer pick than many people think with much more potential than quarterbacks selected around him in fantasy drafts so he should be a very good pick.

HarveyWallbangers
05-27-2008, 04:56 PM
Good stuff. Thanks for finding that.

Tarlam!
05-27-2008, 06:17 PM
Good stuff. Thanks for finding that.

Um, Harv, he didn't have to find it. He wrote it...

HarveyWallbangers
05-27-2008, 06:18 PM
Good stuff. Thanks for finding that.

Um, Harv, he didn't have to find it. He wrote it...

I see. Good stuff, Phil.
:D

RashanGary
05-27-2008, 06:28 PM
I've seen this around. Great research, phil. I didn't read it this time, but I remember the moral of the story being Rodgers has a real chance and the logic was solid as I recall.

Phil03
05-27-2008, 07:02 PM
Good stuff. Thanks for finding that.

Um, Harv, he didn't have to find it. He wrote it...

I see. Good stuff, Phil.
:D

haha thanks :)

SkinBasket
05-27-2008, 07:09 PM
We gonna get this on the front page so we can move Mad's fluff piece off there?

MJZiggy
05-27-2008, 07:51 PM
We gonna get this on the front page so we can move Mad's fluff piece off there?

Ummm...it's not our article...

Tarlam!
05-27-2008, 08:02 PM
We gonna get this on the front page so we can move Mad's fluff piece off there?

Ummm...it's not our article...

You say that like plagiarism is a bad thing....

Phil03
05-27-2008, 08:30 PM
We gonna get this on the front page so we can move Mad's fluff piece off there?

Ummm...it's not our article...

You're welcome to put it up if you want.

The Leaper
05-27-2008, 09:31 PM
I fully expect Rodgers to toss for 3500 yards and 24 TDs this year...if he stays healthy. He is the perfect choice for those who like to load up at other positions in the first 6-8 rounds of a fantasy draft before nabbing a couple mid-level QBs. He'll probably be undervalued in many drafts...especially drafts conducted early.

HarveyWallbangers
05-27-2008, 09:37 PM
We actually had a similar discussion to this.

http://packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=12534

oregonpackfan
05-28-2008, 12:22 AM
The success or failure of Aaron Rodgers this season may well be the most deciding factor in the Packers' success.

Realistically, the Packers have no proven backup QB. I have nothing against Brohm or Flynn. They both could be successful NFL QB's someday. The bottom line about them is that they are rookies. In the NFL, starting rookie QB's generally have a very difficult time successfully leading the offense.

I would still like to see the Packers pick up a veteran QB to back up Rodgers. They could put one of the rookie QB's(most likely Flynn) on the Practice Squad.

Pack-man
05-28-2008, 08:49 AM
I see no reason Rodgers can't put up 3500-4000 yards, 20-28 TD passes. I think he may throw LESS interceptions than Brett. I don't see him taking as many chances as the gunslinger!

HarveyWallbangers
05-28-2008, 11:18 AM
Vinnie Iyer of the Sporting News on the things he's most excited to see this year in the NFL.


13. Aaron Rodgers taking over for a legend as the Green Bay Packers' quarterback. Packers fans have known this time eventually would come and could glean some hope from what Rodgers did against Dallas last season. That said, Packers fans still are nervous about Rodgers replacing Brett Favre. That's understandable, considering the Denver Broncos and Miami Dolphins have spent years searching for someone to carry the torch from their all-time greats, John Elway and Dan Marino, respectively.

The best bet on what we'll see from Rodgers is fewer jaw-dropping plays but fewer head-shaking mistakes. As a young, still developing quarterback, Rodgers is more likely to be reined in -- living off the run and high-percentage routes and not taking as many chances as Favre with gunning the ball deep.

The coaching staff should instill in Rodgers that he has several talented teammates on both sides of the ball and that protecting the ball and executing simple throws will be enough to win plenty of games.

Pugger
05-28-2008, 12:01 PM
I am looking forward to seeing AR play this season. I sure hope he does well. He must be chomping at the bit to be the Man this summer!! :pack:

CaliforniaCheez
05-28-2008, 12:14 PM
The first 2 years I was very unimpressed with Rodgers. I kept posing the question heir apparent or apparent error. I went on about how drafting a guard with that pick would have changed the 2005 season for the better.

Last year though in the preseason I was impressed. I remember a post game interview where he discussed his reaction when things went wrong during the game. Francies ran the wrong route and in that moment remembered some Brett Favre advice and went elsewhere with the ball for a successful play.

He reacts better on the field and his 2 minute game has gone from miserable to adequate.

Now his lessons will be on the field. If he stays uninjured the end of the season will be more impressive than the begining as he continues to improve by learning from his mistakes.

The article has one flaw in that fantsy leagues all count points a bit differently. Comparing points is pointless.

The assumption of 75% of the numbers of Brett Favre is conservative yet they are good numbers.

I think Aaron Rodgers will have enough success that you will see the folks at ESPN making comments about how the 49'ers should have taken him over Alex Smith and how teams like the Vikings selecting Troy Williamson and Erasmus James instead of Rodgers really screwed up.

Only injury and Rodgers himself can screw up having a successful season.

wist43
05-28-2008, 03:55 PM
My over/under is 8 games...

Slow start in games 1-4, shows modest improvement in games 5-7... then it's his home away from home (IR) :)

MadtownPacker
05-28-2008, 06:13 PM
My over/under is 8 games...

Slow start in games 1-4, shows modest improvement in games 5-7... then it's his home away from home (IR) :)8 games huh? Very optimistic there Wist.

I say if he last that long he makes it through the whole season. I think the vikings DL in week 1 will give us an idea of how ARod will handle getting hit.

MadtownPacker
05-28-2008, 06:16 PM
Vinnie Iyer of the Sporting News on the things he's most excited to see this year in the NFL.


The coaching staff should instill in Rodgers that he has several talented teammates on both sides of the ball and that protecting the ball and executing simple throws will be enough to win plenty of games.Not so sure about that. It damn sure wouldn't have been good enough to win 13 games last year. There will be Sundays that Rodgers has to put everything on his shoulders like Favre had to do many times. Those are the games I will be most interested in.

HarveyWallbangers
05-28-2008, 09:29 PM
Vinnie Iyer of the Sporting News on the things he's most excited to see this year in the NFL.


The coaching staff should instill in Rodgers that he has several talented teammates on both sides of the ball and that protecting the ball and executing simple throws will be enough to win plenty of games.Not so sure about that. It damn sure wouldn't have been good enough to win 13 games last year. There will be Sundays that Rodgers has to put everything on his shoulders like Favre had to do many times. Those are the games I will be most interested in.

Brett was great last year. Mostly because McCarthy reined him in. It did lead to about 11 of those 13 victories.

Chubbyhubby
05-29-2008, 09:15 AM
IF Aarron Rodgers says healthy and plays all 16 games. He should be able to continue where Favre left off. A solid playoff contender team in 09. It is safe tol say that the pieces are all there for Rodgers to succeed. Should be interesting to watch him this season. I like the draft choice of Brian Brohm. Because he was by far the most NFL ready QB in 2008 draft class. If sinething happens to AROD then Brohm will step in. Lets hope that doesn't happen. Anything can happen and usally does.

Packerarcher
05-29-2008, 10:23 AM
IF Aarron Rodgers says healthy and plays all 16 games. He should be able to continue where Favre left off. A solid playoff contender team in 09. It is safe tol say that the pieces are all there for Rodgers to succeed. Should be interesting to watch him this season. I like the draft choice of Brian Brohm. Because he was by far the most NFL ready QB in 2008 draft class. If sinething happens to AROD then Brohm will step in. Lets hope that doesn't happen. Anything can happen and usally does.

I do not post much,and when I do it's usually to say that I think AROD is a big puss. I still do not think he will go the whole season without injury. But I do think he will make past my origional prediction of four games. However I do not expect him to continue where Favre left off,not right away. Rodgers will not disapoint me because I have lowr expectations of him. He is replacing one of the best QB's of all time,that has to be a hell of a lot of pressure.

Packers4Ever
05-29-2008, 11:20 PM
I am looking forward to seeing AR play this season. I sure hope he does well. He must be chomping at the bit to be the Man this summer!! :pack:

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