Obama is the man!

[LL2]

I will not be voting for this guy in the fall, and I’m glad Clinton dragged the primaries on much longer than was necessary. It will be interesting to see the match up between Obama and McCain, and where they stand on issues like taxes, health care, foreign policy, Iraq, and others. I bet the election will be close. If Obama was smart he would offer the VP to Clinton. McCain better be smart about who his VP will be, and perhaps it should be Romney or Huckabee.

Let's see who will win the Packerats election. Please vote and vote only once.

[Partial]

Obama is a loser who refuses to stick to his convictions when time gets tough. Is that the kind of person you want in office?!? I sure don't.

[BallHawk]

Obama is a loser who refuses to stick to his convictions when time gets tough. Is that the kind of person you want in office?!? I sure don't.

Obama is a loser?

Them fighting words. :roll:

[Zool]

Obama is a loser who refuses to stick to his convictions when time gets tough. Is that the kind of person you want in office?!? I sure don't.

Obama is a loser?

Them fighting words. :roll:

I think you'll need a dress before the fight BH.

[Harlan Huckleby]

"Obama" - isn't that a muslim name?

[Harlan Huckleby]

Was just listening to Obama's victory speech on the radio. He said, "What you will not hear from this campaign is the sort of politics that uses religion as a wedge issue."

So any reference to the "religous" statements of Wright, Pflager, Farrakan etc. is dividing people by their religous beliefs.

:D

[sooner6600]

I would say that Barry H is not a loser; but a culmination of all
that is wrong with the Socialist American Party(nee Democrat)!

The operatives of same put out two candidates;
socialist heavy and socialist light.

Socialist light was chosen by the sheepole and Socialist heavy was
annoited by the party aparattus.


Come November I will take the Manchurian Candidate over
the empty suit.

After all the case can be made that the old farts got us into this
mess and the young tigers will have thier just cause to destroy
what is left of the spoils.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Heard more of the Messiah's speech. The moment of his winning the nomination by 200 delegates is far more significant than I thought:

"we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war ."

:lol: He has come! :lol: :lol:


Guess I have to laugh to keep from crying.

[BallHawk]

He knows how to work a crowd and warp the minds of the innocent, that's for sure.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I've noticed the changes in you, Ballhawk.

[Freak Out]

Heard more of the Messiah's speech. The moment of his winning the nomination by 200 delegates is far more significant than I thought:

"we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war ."

:lol: He has come! :lol: :lol:


Guess I have to laugh to keep from crying.

Didn't Texas say he was the Anti-Christ?

[BallHawk]

I've noticed the changes in you, Ballhawk.

And what would those be? :D

[LL2]

So far McCain is winning the PR election. Is the PR group a representative sample of the U.S. population, maybe not we need more chicks. Does Harlan balance that area out?

[Deputy Nutz]

I am voting McCain. If he wasn't the Republican front runner I would be screwed. I have liked since he ran for election 8 years ago. No way I would have voted for Romney or Huck. I am far to unreligious for them. I say no to the Christian Right, beat those suckers off with sticks.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I've noticed the changes in you, Ballhawk.

And what would those be? :D

A growing self-confidence. A "can do" spirit. Shiny eyes. A distrust of old white people.

[LL2]

I am voting McCain. If he wasn't the Republican front runner I would be screwed. I have liked since he ran for election 8 years ago. No way I would have voted for Romney or Huck. I am far to unreligious for them. I say no to the Christian Right, beat those suckers off with sticks.

So, are you saying if Romney or Huck were the VP you would not vote for McCain? I'm curious as to who would solidify McCain as the presidential favorite.

[hoosier]

So far McCain is winning the PR election. Is the PR group a representative sample of the U.S. population, maybe not we need more chicks. Does Harlan balance that area out?

I think you're overlooking another very significant demographic: non-whites. Harlan is of no help to you there. :lol:

[Deputy Nutz]

I am voting McCain. If he wasn't the Republican front runner I would be screwed. I have liked since he ran for election 8 years ago. No way I would have voted for Romney or Huck. I am far to unreligious for them. I say no to the Christian Right, beat those suckers off with sticks.

So, are you saying if Romney or Huck were the VP you would not vote for McCain? I'm curious as to who would solidify McCain as the presidential favorite.

I think there would be better choices, do I know any no. Just keep abortion legal and I will be a happy camper, although I can't see Huck being any more of a threat to abortion rights than our current president so I really don't see why I wouldn't vote for McCain if Huck was Vice. Romney would be ok as well. Isn't Russ Feingold available?

[SkinBasket]

On an unrelated note, I'm ready to kick ol' Doyle in the balls after paying $34 to renew my license and another $75 for each plate.

[BallHawk]

I've noticed the changes in you, Ballhawk.

And what would those be? :D

A growing self-confidence. A "can do" spirit. Shiny eyes. A distrust of old white people.

Supposedly I'm an old whitey myself. :satan:

[GoPackGo]

On an unrelated note, I'm ready to kick ol' Doyle in the balls after paying $34 to renew my license and another $75 for each plate.

You are lucky to pay so little
Arizona charges $2.80 for every $100 of the assessed value of your vehicle for registration every year.
example: a $30,000 vehicle would cost $840. I paid it, and I was pissed :evil:

[the_idle_threat]

On an unrelated note, I'm ready to kick ol' Doyle in the balls after paying $34 to renew my license and another $75 for each plate.

I've always been ready to kick ol' Doyle in the balls. He sounded like a blustering idiot in his sound bite yesterday regarding the Janesville plant closing. "When ppl work hard and make a good product and shit, then GOOD things are supposed to happen!"

Well, Jimmy, not in a state where you jack up taxes and fees sky high, appoint judges to the Supreme Court that vastly expand business liability in the state, and generally make this state extremely inhospitable to business. Do you wonder why they decided to close the plant rather than retool it? They're moving production to Ohio.

[the_idle_threat]

On an unrelated note, I'm ready to kick ol' Doyle in the balls after paying $34 to renew my license and another $75 for each plate.

You are lucky to pay so little
Arizona charges $2.80 for every $100 of the assessed value of your vehicle for registration every year.
example: a $30,000 vehicle would cost $840. I paid it, and I was pissed :evil:

Wisconsin has only just started on the raising fees angle, becuase our property taxes are about maxed out for a while. Apparently there's a lot of room to expand on the fees. :!: :evil:

[oregonpackfan]

"Obama" - isn't that a muslim name?

Yup! If Obama is elected President, all American households will be required to display a Koran on the kitchen table and all American women will be forced to wear a Burkkah! :roll:

[Deputy Nutz]

"Obama" - isn't that a muslim name?

Yup! If Obama is elected President, all American households will be required to display a Koran on the kitchen table and all American women will be forced to wear a Burkkah! :roll:

Really? Well I won't stand for that

[BallHawk]

"Obama" - isn't that a muslim name?

Yup! If Obama is elected President, all American households will be required to display a Koran on the kitchen table and all American women will be forced to wear a Burkkah! :roll:

Really? Well I won't stand for that

Then, sir, I think I've found the candidate for you.....

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/02/ron_paul/story.jpg

[Tarlam!]

I am pretty sure you all don't give a shit, but the outside world hopes and prays that you elect Obama.

We are all pretty delighted that you declined Hillary, believe me.

We would be very encouraged if you now declined McCain.

Not that we claim to know anything about it! We know nothing! But we do have feelings.

That was Tarlam! on behalf of every free non-American worldwide.

[BallHawk]

I am pretty sure you all don't give a shit, but the outside world hopes and prays that you elect Obama.

We are all pretty delighted that you declined Hillary, believe me.

We would be very encouraged if you now declined McCain.

Not that we claim to know anything about it! We know nothing! But we do have feelings.

That was Tarlam! on behalf of every free non-American worldwide.

Tar, what does the world view McCain as? Another Bush or some mutated form of him? And what do they view Obama as?

[Tarlam!]

Actaully, the world has no real view yet of McCain. By this time both of the last elections, there was a strong view of Mr. Bush and it was not good. Neither times.

The world is hoping that America's new leader (i.e. the most powerful person in the world) is a black man from Chicago.

The world has no rights in your elections, BH. They're just saying, is all.

[sheepshead]

I agree a black man from Chicago could and maybe should be president. Just..this isn't the guy. Not by any stretch.

[Deputy Nutz]

"Obama" - isn't that a muslim name?

Yup! If Obama is elected President, all American households will be required to display a Koran on the kitchen table and all American women will be forced to wear a Burkkah! :roll:

Really? Well I won't stand for that

Then, sir, I think I've found the candidate for you.....

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/06/02/ron_paul/story.jpg

In a perfect world Paul makes sense, it is not a perfect world and Paul's ideas as good as they sound would be very tough to get through.

[Tarlam!]

I agree a black man from Chicago could and maybe should be president. Just..this isn't the guy. Not by any stretch.

Without wanting to be disrespectful, and talking politics and religion is always thin ice territory, the world doesn't want another G.W. Bush. If McCain is remotely similar, the world would settle for Harlan.

We're just sayin'.

[sheepshead]

well then you'll be relieved to know that G.W. Bush isn't running. John McCain and Dubya are anything but close associates. They have a history and it's not of working together. He would not have been my choice but that whole "Bush 3rd term crap" isnt going to stick to McCain. The left is going to have to come up with something better.

[SkinBasket]

I agree a black man from Chicago could and maybe should be president. Just..this isn't the guy. Not by any stretch.

Without wanting to be disrespectful, and talking politics and religion is always thin ice territory, the world doesn't want another G.W. Bush. If McCain is remotely similar, the world would settle for Harlan.

We're just sayin'.

No disrespect to you Tar, but "the world" can go fuck itself. I mean, are people in Germany or France or England supposed to care who Americans want to lead their respective nations as much as Americans are expected to care who Europe wants to lead the US?

I understand you're not trying to force those views on us, but it's also every 4 years that we're reminded that Europe is a seething mass of indignant people who are constantly disappointed that the US doesn't act in their best interest.

I'm going to go get some Freedom Fries now.

[LL2]

I agree a black man from Chicago could and maybe should be president. Just..this isn't the guy. Not by any stretch.

Without wanting to be disrespectful, and talking politics and religion is always thin ice territory, the world doesn't want another G.W. Bush. If McCain is remotely similar, the world would settle for Harlan.

We're just sayin'.

I'm sure Harlan would love to be Commander in Chief, but we cringe at that thought. Why do the Europeans like Obama (besides that he's black and from Chicago)?

[Tarlam!]

I think, Skin, that I acknowledged, on behalf of the world, that we know nothing. We have no vote but we have an opinion.

[Tarlam!]

Why do the Europeans like Obama (besides that he's black and from Chicago)?

Because he is so non G.W. Bush.

The world was laughing when the USA elected G.W. Bush. It was crying when you re-elected him.

This has nothing to do with Dems vs Reps. The world doesn't care about Libs vs Cons.

The world hates Iraq. It agrees with Afghanistan but says finish what you started.

Look, I am Tarlam! the Packers fan just bringing the messages. PR is my home, OK? I am family!

[SkinBasket]

I think, Skin, that I acknowledged, on behalf of the world, that we know nothing. We have no vote but we have an opinion.

Yeah, I understand that. I just doubt that any European country gets to hear as much about what the rest of the world thinks is best for them in their elections as we do nor are they expected to take those opinions seriously at the risk of being called ignorant to world affairs.

I could be wrong, though since I don't live in Europe. Maybe there's stories all the time during European elections about who the American people want elected to lead them.

[Tarlam!]

Maybe there's stories all the time during European elections about who the American people want elected to lead them.

In fact, we do hear who your President wants elected. Since he is your chosen champion, I guess the folks of the USA do have an opinion here.

Surprised? You shouldn't be. Your President is THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN THE WORLD! He has a say in German, English and French politics.

[sheepshead]

I agree a black man from Chicago could and maybe should be president. Just..this isn't the guy. Not by any stretch.

Without wanting to be disrespectful, and talking politics and religion is always thin ice territory, the world doesn't want another G.W. Bush. If McCain is remotely similar, the world would settle for Harlan.

We're just sayin'.

No disrespect to you Tar, but "the world" can go fuck itself. I mean, are people in Germany or France or England supposed to care who Americans want to lead their respective nations as much as Americans are expected to care who Europe wants to lead the US?

I understand you're not trying to force those views on us, but it's also every 4 years that we're reminded that Europe is a seething mass of indignant people who are constantly disappointed that the US doesn't act in their best interest.

I'm going to go get some Freedom Fries now.


:lol: :lol:


yup most of us could give a packerrats ass what they think. You do seem to be more conscience of conservative values by the recent French and German elections however.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

"Obama" - isn't that a muslim name?

Yup! If Obama is elected President, all American households will be required to display a Koran on the kitchen table and all American women will be forced to wear a Burkkah! :roll:

Praise Allah for that blessed day to arrive!

[bobblehead]

I can't vote, you didn't put bob barr on the ballot.

[Iron Mike]

Your President is THE MOST POWERFUL PERSON IN THE WORLD! He has a say in German, English and French politics.

He should......since we basically come over there every thirty years or so and save you from annihilating each other's asses. :roll:

[Harlan Huckleby]

Because he is so non G.W. Bush.
I have a friend who supported Obama (as opposed to other Dem candidates) for this very reason.


The world hates Iraq. It agrees with Afghanistan but says finish what you started.
It must be nice to take a "finish what you start" attitude when it comes to Afghanistan. And the world also has a strong interest in a successful, democratic Iraq.

The U.S. doesn't have the resources to be the world's policeman, while the world sits back and freeloads.

[HarveyWallbangers]

The U.S. doesn't have the resources to be the world's policeman, while the world sits back and freeloads.

No doubt. Hopefully, we can step back from this after Iraq and Afghanistan have been resolved. Let others that sit closer to Iran and North Korea deal with them. I doubt anybody will though.

[Freak Out]

The U.S. doesn't have the resources to be the world's policeman, while the world sits back and freeloads.

No doubt. Hopefully, we can step back from this after Iraq and Afghanistan have been resolved. Let others that sit closer to Iran and North Korea deal with them. I doubt anybody will though.

The righteous league of democracies will come to the rescue.

[Harlan Huckleby]

The U.S. doesn't have the resources to be the world's policeman, while the world sits back and freeloads.

No doubt. Hopefully, we can step back from this after Iraq and Afghanistan have been resolved. Let others that sit closer to Iran and North Korea deal with them. I doubt anybody will though.

The righteous league of democracies will come to the rescue.

I know you are being cynical, but there is nothing wrong with forming an alliance of Democratic countries for taking collective action. Makes good sense to me, NATO is increasingly obsolete. Not sure if they will be a security organization, at least inititally.

I don't know if it will be pulled off, but don't see why you sneer at idea. Do you have a specific objection?

[Freak Out]

The U.S. doesn't have the resources to be the world's policeman, while the world sits back and freeloads.

No doubt. Hopefully, we can step back from this after Iraq and Afghanistan have been resolved. Let others that sit closer to Iran and North Korea deal with them. I doubt anybody will though.

The righteous league of democracies will come to the rescue.

I know you are being cynical, but there is nothing wrong with forming an alliance of Democratic countries for taking collective action. Makes good sense to me, NATO is increasingly obsolete. I don't know if it will be pulled off, but don't see why you sneer at it.

It's not a bad idea but what is the objective of this group?

[Harlan Huckleby]

It's not a bad idea but what is the objective of this group?

I have to say I don't know. I have read-in my own notion of how it would operate. Which I can speak to at GREAT length if you wish. :lol:

[hoosier]

I think, Skin, that I acknowledged, on behalf of the world, that we know nothing. We have no vote but we have an opinion.

Yeah, I understand that. I just doubt that any European country gets to hear as much about what the rest of the world thinks is best for them in their elections as we do nor are they expected to take those opinions seriously at the risk of being called ignorant to world affairs.

I could be wrong, though since I don't live in Europe. Maybe there's stories all the time during European elections about who the American people want elected to lead them.

That would mean that most Americans have a clue what's going on in European politics....

[Freak Out]

It's not a bad idea but what is the objective of this group?

I have to say I don't know. I have read-in my own notion of how it would operate. Which I can speak to at GREAT length if you wish. :lol:

:lol: :lol: I'm sure you would Blue Dog!
I'm just pretty skeptical that a group of our best democratic friends are going to commit lives and money to changing the world when they really wont do it now.

[Harlan Huckleby]

That would mean that most Americans have a clue what's going on in European politics....

ya, but europe is now the EU, composed of a bunch of funny little states, each with their own politics. Too much to keep up with. Some of the little statelets are ruled by Kings, others have Czars. Italy has a sort of People's Court.

Europeans don't keep up with Wisconsin politics either.

[texaspackerbacker]

I am pretty sure you all don't give a shit, but the outside world hopes and prays that you elect Obama.

We are all pretty delighted that you declined Hillary, believe me.

We would be very encouraged if you now declined McCain.

Not that we claim to know anything about it! We know nothing! But we do have feelings.

That was Tarlam! on behalf of every free non-American worldwide.

Tarlam, I'm curious. Are you voicing your own opinion? Or merely telling us which way the polls are running over there?

The reason I ask is that much of what I've seen you post is good sensible reasonable--some would say conservative stuff--completely the opposite of the positions of that America-hating loon, Obama.

For that matter, how certain are you that the solid citizens formerly known as Euro-wimps really ARE all that anti-American/anti-Bush in light of the fact that they elected Sarkozy and Angela Merkel--a couple of very decent relatively pro-American/friends of Bush?

[BallHawk]

For that matter, how certain are you that the solid citizens formerly known as Euro-wimps really ARE all that anti-American/anti-Bush in light of the fact that they elected Sarkozy and Angela Merkel--a couple of very decent relatively pro-American/friends of Bush?

Talking to much of my family, a large portion of which lives in Europe (both England, Scotland, and France) it is almost unanimous in the thinking that Bush is, to a degree, incompetent. I wouldn't call it Anti-American, it's more a feeling of skepticism. I know that when we re-elected Bush a lot of Europeans were awestruck.

[texaspackerbacker]

And you can thank the God damned pieces of shit of the sick America-hating left-saturated assholes of the mainstream media in this country for that.

[Freak Out]

And you can thank the God damned pieces of shit of the sick America-hating left-saturated assholes of the mainstream media in this country for that.

Take the red pill.

[Tarlam!]

Tarlam, I'm curious. Are you voicing your own opinion? Or merely telling us which way the polls are running over there?

The reason I ask is that much of what I've seen you post is good sensible reasonable--some would say conservative stuff--completely the opposite of the positions of that America-hating loon, Obama.

For that matter, how certain are you that the solid citizens formerly known as Euro-wimps really ARE all that anti-American/anti-Bush in light of the fact that they elected Sarkozy and Angela Merkel--a couple of very decent relatively pro-American/friends of Bush?

Tex. I am as conservative as they come, so, even though I don't have an opinion on McCain, he'd be my choise, personally.

So what you are getting in this thread from me is literally the world view - not only Europe. Fact is, President Bush does not enjoy a lot of respect from the man in the street outside the USA. The position of President most certainly does. I want to reitereate that I don't see a lot of people with intimate political knowledge, though, and you will have noticed, I don't throw too many stones if I am ignorant on something.

[Partial]

Obama is a loser who refuses to stick to his convictions when time gets tough. Is that the kind of person you want in office?!? I sure don't.

Obama is a loser?

Them fighting words. :roll:

I can't help it that you support the worst presidental candidate probably ever.

[Deputy Nutz]

Obama is a loser who refuses to stick to his convictions when time gets tough. Is that the kind of person you want in office?!? I sure don't.

Obama is a loser?

Them fighting words. :roll:

I can't help it that you support the worst presidental candidate probably ever.

Epic.

[BallHawk]

Obama is a loser who refuses to stick to his convictions when time gets tough. Is that the kind of person you want in office?!? I sure don't.

Obama is a loser?

Them fighting words. :roll:

I can't help it that you support the worst presidental candidate probably ever.

All hail Partial, Presidential historian and master of the English language. :roll:

Please, if you think Obama's the worst candidate ever you better hit the history books. McGovern and Mondale were both worse candidates for their respective parties than Obama will be.

[bobblehead]

I know you are being cynical, but there is nothing wrong with forming an alliance of Democratic countries for taking collective action. Makes good sense to me, NATO is increasingly obsolete. Not sure if they will be a security organization, at least inititally.

I don't know if it will be pulled off, but don't see why you sneer at idea. Do you have a specific objection?

Umm....we tried to build a coalition amongst the EU and rest of the world to go into Iraq because we thought they had become too friendly with Iran and the result would be a nuclear armed Iran allied with Iraq.

I agree there is nothing wrong with forming an alliance, but the rest of the world to date has been content to let us spend our resources to stabilize the middle east all the while criticizing the imperical USA. Its sort of like that older brother you hate so much for teasing you, but you liked it when he beat up the bully who stole your lunch money.

[sheepshead]

Obama is a loser who refuses to stick to his convictions when time gets tough. Is that the kind of person you want in office?!? I sure don't.

Obama is a loser?

Them fighting words. :roll:

I can't help it that you support the worst presidental candidate probably ever.

All hail Partial, Presidential historian and master of the English language. :roll:

Please, if you think Obama's the worst candidate ever you better hit the history books. McGovern and Mondale were both worse candidates for their respective parties than Obama will be.

Nope, even JFK had more of a resume than this guy.

[BallHawk]

Obama has a resume? :shock:

[Tarlam!]

I know you are being cynical, but there is nothing wrong with forming an alliance of Democratic countries for taking collective action. Makes good sense to me, NATO is increasingly obsolete. Not sure if they will be a security organization, at least inititally.

I don't know if it will be pulled off, but don't see why you sneer at idea. Do you have a specific objection?

Umm....we tried to build a coalition amongst the EU and rest of the world to go into Iraq because we thought they had become too friendly with Iran and the result would be a nuclear armed Iran allied with Iraq.

I agree there is nothing wrong with forming an alliance, but the rest of the world to date has been content to let us spend our resources to stabilize the middle east all the while criticizing the imperical USA. Its sort of like that older brother you hate so much for teasing you, but you liked it when he beat up the bully who stole your lunch money.

Quaint, but ´so far off it deserves its own thread.

[texaspackerbacker]

Tarlam, I'm curious. Are you voicing your own opinion? Or merely telling us which way the polls are running over there?

The reason I ask is that much of what I've seen you post is good sensible reasonable--some would say conservative stuff--completely the opposite of the positions of that America-hating loon, Obama.

For that matter, how certain are you that the solid citizens formerly known as Euro-wimps really ARE all that anti-American/anti-Bush in light of the fact that they elected Sarkozy and Angela Merkel--a couple of very decent relatively pro-American/friends of Bush?

Tex. I am as conservative as they come, so, even though I don't have an opinion on McCain, he'd be my choise, personally.

So what you are getting in this thread from me is literally the world view - not only Europe. Fact is, President Bush does not enjoy a lot of respect from the man in the street outside the USA. The position of President most certainly does. I want to reitereate that I don't see a lot of people with intimate political knowledge, though, and you will have noticed, I don't throw too many stones if I am ignorant on something.

Glad to hear you are as much on the good side of things as I surmised.

Would you agree with my continuing rant that the real arch-villains in all the negativity out there internationally, both toward Bush and toward America in general, are the America-hating assholes of our own mainstream media and entertainment community?

[Tarlam!]

Would you agree with my continuing rant that the real arch-villains in all the negativity out there internationally, both toward Bush and toward America in general, are the America-hating assholes of our own mainstream media and entertainment community?

I don't think any American is an America-hater. I think you all voice opinions and that's a right that was borne out of a rebellion, IIRC. That's the way the constitution was set up.

[texaspackerbacker]

Would you agree with my continuing rant that the real arch-villains in all the negativity out there internationally, both toward Bush and toward America in general, are the America-hating assholes of our own mainstream media and entertainment community?

I don't think any American is an America-hater. I think you all voice opinions and that's a right that was borne out of a rebellion, IIRC. That's the way the constitution was set up.

OK, omit the labeling of the media as America-hating assholes. They can just as well be some other variety of assholes.

My question is: Do you agree that all the negativity and Bush-hate in our own media is responsible for foreigners having such a negative and IMO irrationally flawed opinion of America in general and Bush in particular? I blame our God damned media types even more than I blame leftist politicians in this countrey for that. I was just wondering if you--who is closer to the international side of that problem--would agree.

[Tarlam!]

OK, omit the labeling of the media as America-hating assholes. They can just as well be some other variety of assholes.

My question is: Do you agree that all the negativity and Bush-hate in our own media is responsible for foreigners having such a negative and IMO irrationally flawed opinion of America in general and Bush in particular? I blame our God damned media types even more than I blame leftist politicians in this countrey for that. I was just wondering if you--who is closer to the international side of that problem--would agree.

No, I think President Bush hasn't done himself any favours. I have been aware of US Presidents since Carter. Mr Bush is the least eloquent I have seen. Tex, I have the utmost respect for the President of the United States of America. I think Mr Bush isn't worthy of the position. He is lucky to have Ms. Rice at his side. Now that is a woman that could lead your great country.