JAVON FOUND UNCONSCIOUS IN VEGAS!!!

[packers11]

JAVON FOUND UNCONSCIOUS IN VEGAS

Posted by Mike Florio on June 16, 2008, 8:19 p.m.
As rumor has it, Raiders owner Al Davis thinks that receiver Javon Walker is the key to the team’s 2008 season.

If that’s the case, it might be time to start making plans for the first overall pick in the 2009 draft.

Walker, who has a bad knee that traces to a torn ACL in 2005, was found unconscious on a Las Vegas street on Monday morning, according to FOX 5.

He was taken to a nearby hospital, and is in fair condition with a fracture to an orbital bone.

Per media reports, Walker was seen on Saturday night spraying the crowd at Tryst night club with some of the 15 bottles of Dom Perignon champagne he had ordered.

[packers11]

when will this moron learn...

[packrat]

Gee, what a shame for the Raiders. If they didn't give Javon so much money maybe he wouldn't have popped for the champagne. At least he is alive, which is more than can be said about his buddy that he was partying with in Denver a couple of years ago.

[GBRulz]

Way to make TT look even more like a genius, Javon!

[woodbuck27]

Good grief. He's hurting. Sad.

[Rastak]

Way to make TT look even more like a genius, Javon!


Ummm, he got his face bashed in. We don't even have the facts yet.

[Rastak]

when will this moron learn...


Maybe you could fill us in the details of the assault?

[packrat]

He's hurting in lots of ways, but it is hard to feel sorry for him when it is his own lousy decisions that lead to the problems.

[RashanGary]

Way to make TT look even more like a genius, Javon!


I never thought I'd hear TT and genius in the same sentence out of you unless it was coated with thick, unmistakable sarcasm :) :) Couldn't have happened to a more deserving person though. Sheesh, if having a friend die in your arms during a night club incident isn't enough to keep you out of night clubs then you really do deserve a broken orbital bone.

[Brohm]

Just f'd up all around. Where the hell were his "friends" that he sprang for 15 bottles of DP with?

[FavreChild]

Wow, people. What's up with the hate for Javon? He was never disrespectful to the fans or the city of GB. He's generally a nice guy, if a bit immature. He does have a lot to learn I thought the decision to trade him was in the best interests of both parties, and I wished Javon well with the Broncs. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out for a variety of reasons.

Javon has made some poor decisions, but we don't even know the details of this incident. To be glad that he's been injured...there's absolutely no cause for that. I understand that many of you don't respect Javon because of the holdout, and some of you think he makes thoughtless comments. But he's not an a-hole. He's not a criminal. Relishing the injury is not called for.

[packers11]

when will this moron learn...


Maybe you could fill us in the details of the assault?

When your own friend dies in your hands, don't you think he would learn not to show up and make a big scene by basically "making it rain" with expensive champagne??? Last time I checked your not supposed to put yourself in a bad situation, and obviously Javon does that over and over...

I don't hate Javon, I'm just saying... Doesn't this guy learn? Don't be flashy especially when you have a lot of enemies... You are an NFL player after all, and there is a target on your back more often then the average person...

[Farley Face]

Wow, people. What's up with the hate for Javon? He was never disrespectful to the fans or the city of GB. He's generally a nice guy, if a bit immature. He does have a lot to learn I thought the decision to trade him was in the best interests of both parties, and I wished Javon well with the Broncs. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out for a variety of reasons.

Javon has made some poor decisions, but we don't even know the details of this incident. To be glad that he's been injured...there's absolutely no cause for that. I understand that many of you don't respect Javon because of the holdout, and some of you think he makes thoughtless comments. But he's not an a-hole. He's not a criminal. Relishing the injury is not called for.

He may not generally be a nice guy, and he may be an a-hole, I personally have never met him. Otherwise I agree 100% with your take on the situation FavreChild.

[RashanGary]

I don't hate the guy either. Hell, I wish him the best in all he does but with his money and his status he really should know that these night club situations have higher than normal odds of getting into real trouble (not exluding death by gun or knife wound). If there is one guy in the NFL that should know better, it's him. He still goes, so he deserves whatever comes his way. It's the same as drug dealers being shot. It comes with the territory. Maybe he wants to just be a normal guy without a target on his back, but he's not and he doesn't learn. Wake up, idiot.

[GrnBay007]

Found this small tidbit.... he's in fair condition.




Walker was found to have an orbital fracture and was listed in fair condition this afternoon. It is not clear how he got the fracture.

[RashanGary]

If both sides had it to do over again, I'm not so sure TT would do it any differently in hindsight. I guess that's why you pay a GM - to have forsight as not to sign Joe Johnsons or unstable Javon Walkers to big contracts and focus on in the Aaron Kampmans and Donald Drivers.

[Farley Face]

Found this small tidbit.... he's in fair condition.




Walker was found to have an orbital fracture and was listed in fair condition this afternoon. It is not clear how he got the fracture.


Where did you find this? I haven't seen anything on ESPN, CNNsi, etc. Usually this sort of storyline is primetime news on these outlets.

[GrnBay007]

FOX5 Exclusive: NFL Player Victim Of Robbery
Oakland Raiders Player In Fair Condition

LAS VEGAS -- NFL wide receiver Javon Walker was the victim of an apparent early morning robbery, according to Metro police.

Walker was found unconscious at about 7:19 a.m. Monday near the intersection of Koval Lane and Winnick Avenue, officers said.

The Oakland Raiders player was taken to Sunrise Medical Center’s Trauma unit, where he was listed in fair condition late Monday afternoon, hospital officials said.

Police said Walker had significant injuries.

According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal columnist Norm Clarke, Walker was seen Saturday night at Tryst at the Wynn spraying the crowd with some of the 15 bottles of Dom Perignon Rose champagne he ordered.

Clarke also said Walker was at Body English at Hard Rock Hotel and Casino until 6:30 a.m. Monday and that his first round of champagne cost him $15,000.

Anyone with information is asked to call Crime Stoppers at 702-385-5555.

Watch FOX5 News at 10 for more details on this FOX5 Exclusive story and refresh fox5vegas.com for updates on this developing story.

[GrnBay007]

Where did you find this? I haven't seen anything on ESPN, CNNsi, etc. Usually this sort of storyline is primetime news on these outlets.

Google search....Las Vegas news

[Farley Face]

Where did you find this? I haven't seen anything on ESPN, CNNsi, etc. Usually this sort of storyline is primetime news on these outlets.

Google search....Las Vegas news

Thanks...

An NFL player is recovering after police say he was attacked in Las Vegas Monday morning.

It happened just after 7am.

According to police, officers responded to a report of a man lying down near Winnick Avenue and Koval Lane around 7:19 Monday morning.

Police say they found Javon Walker unconscious and it appeared he was a victim of a robbery.

Javon is still recovering at Sunrise Hospital.

He plays for the Oakland Raiders.

Stay tuned to Action News as we monitor developing news around the Valley.

[FavreChild]

Well, good to hear is OK.

One last thing to add - not to sound preachy or anything. But although it may be argued that Javon made some poor decisions in this situation, that does not mean he *deserved* to have this happen to him. It's a pretty dangerous precedent to blame the victim, after all...

[GrnBay007]

Found this on a Broncos news site....


All smack talking aside for the moment, we want to wish Javon the best of luck. Honestly, we’re saddened to hear about this, no matter what may have transpired in the past. The guy has just been a mess since Darrent Williams.


It would be a tough thing to get past having a teammate die in your arms.

[FavreChild]

Right, 007.

Javon's way of dealing with the trauma (if in fact, that's what he is doing) may not be healthy, but it is fairly typical.

[Tony Oday]

I hope the guy learns something this time, he got robbed and EASILY could have been killed...He is not above the gangs that run through Vegas or anywhere.

[MadtownPacker]

Crazy stuff. I think he is a dumbass but even I'm surprised at this. Sounds like he got a severe beating. Walker has had a rough ride in the NFL because of his bad choices. I didnt want to see him succeed on the field but I wouldnt have wished for him to sink this low.

[bobblehead]

well shit, here I sit in Las Vegas and I have to open packerrats to hear this :)

Gonna ask a few people who hang at tryst if they know anything. I'm dying to hear the juice.

[MadtownPacker]

well shit, here I sit in Las Vegas and I have to open packerrats to hear this :)

Gonna ask a few people who hang at tryst if they know anything. I'm dying to hear the juice.Just hurry your ass back and post what you find out.

[gbpackfan]

What the hell is wrong with Florio?????

He broke a very important man law: WHAT HAPPENS IN VEGAS, STAYS IN VEGAS!

:P :P :P

Seriously, Javon is a turd. He just didn't show his true turd colors until his contract dispute here in GB. It's fun to look back now, after all Javon has done, and re-evalute the Brett vs. Javon fued. I never thought that Brett did anything wrong, because he didn't, but I wonder if all the national writers and some NFL players will now admit they were wrong for taking Javon's side. The man is an class A donkey! What a waste of talent.

You think he's ever thought, "Man, I should have just stayed in GB?" I'll bet he has.

[HarveyWallbangers]

He has a teammate die in his arms after a late night at the club, and now he's out partying until 6AM... flauting his money like crazy. He didn't deserve this, but it's not too surprising he'd be the target of a robbery.

[Scott Campbell]

I wonder if he'll finally get his Purple Heart for this latest injury.


:shock:

[Kiwon]

Updated version of the story...

LAS VEGAS (TICKER) —Oakland Raiders wide receiver Javon Walker was found unconscious on the streets of Las Vegas with an orbital fracture on Monday morning, according to the city’s Fox affiliate.

Apparently the victim of a robbery, Walker was taken to the Sunrise Medical Center’s Trauma unit where he was listed in fair condition, according to television station KVVU-5.

As for exactly how the talented 29-year-old received the injury is unknown, but Walker was seen at nightspot Tryst at the Wynn “spraying the crowd with some of the 15 bottles of Dom Perignon Rose champagne he ordered,” according to a report in the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

Walker, who signed with the Raiders in the offseason, will step into the No. 1 receiver role vacated by Jerry Porter, who signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

A knee injury limited Walker to just eight games with the Denver Broncos in 2007. He had just 26 catches for 287 yards and zero touchdowns.

In 2006, Walker had 69 receptions for 1,084 yards and eight touchdowns with Denver, bouncing back from a serious knee injury that ended his tenure with the Green Bay Packers the previous season.

A first-round pick of Green Bay in 2002, Walker blossomed in 2004 with a career-high 89 catches and 12 TD receptions.

In six seasons with the Broncos and Packers, Walker has 252 career receptions for 3,815 yards and 30 touchdowns.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtF9OKw3uRTp7WthdwMeFxBDubYF?slug=txraid erswalker&prov=st&type=lgns

[bobblehead]

From what I heard, nothing went down at tryst to cause this. I trust the person I heard this from, but I find it really hard to believe that it was random. The area they found him ain't exactly the greatest area either, I can't imagine why he was there. Its almost like a parking area behind the imperial palace, I wouldn't let my wife walk around that spot in the dark thats for sure. Gonna be interesting as details come out.

[cheesner]

[b]FOX5 Exclusive: NFL Player Victim Of Robbery

Clarke also said Walker was at Body English at Hard Rock Hotel and Casino until 6:30 a.m. Monday and that his first round of champagne cost him $15,000.

Curious. The Hard Rock is about a mile south of where they found him. What was Javon doing walking that way? Why not go to the strip (where it is safe), one block over. I would imagine he was staying on the strip. If it wasn't 7 am I would suspect he was looking for a hooker.

Maybe they tossed his ass in a vehicle, beat the crap out of him, and just dumped him there.

Anyway, the kid needs to be much more careful. Is he out partying alone? If he was with friends, he needs new friends. And why buy expensive champagne and spray it over everyone? Buy the cheap stuff for that!

[Iron Mike]

Anyway, the kid needs to be much more careful. Is he out partying alone? If he was with friends, he needs new friends. And why buy expensive champagne and spray it over everyone? Buy the cheap stuff for that!

Either that or......lemme see--donate $ to flood victims or widows of Gulf War vets or retired NFLers that can't cover their medical bills. :roll:

[RashanGary]

If this happened to me there is one place I'd look to place responsiblity and that is in the mirror. Javon will focus his blame on the people who attacked him because he's such an idiot. Same thing he did with the Packers. Same thing he did with the Broncos.

Natural selection is as bitch. It's not deserved in an "eye for an eye" sense, but it's deserved in a "life has gone on this way forever so don't be an idiot" sense.

For the record, I never hated Javon Walker and always thought he was one fo the hardest workers to come through Greenbay. His problem is that he is so damn stupid. Hopefully he doesn't have childeren.

[sheepshead]

He never could take a hit!

[BlueBrewer]

I might take a swing at that bitch if he sprayed champagne all over me. I agree with most of the sentiment in here. I hate to see someone attacked, but you greatly increase the odds when you pull shit like this.

[gbpackfan]

He has a teammate die in his arms after a late night at the club, and now he's out partying until 6AM... flauting his money like crazy. He didn't deserve this, but it's not too surprising he'd be the target of a robbery.


1. Some witnesses said that Javon's mouth was a big factor in the incident involving Williams. I'm not blaming Javon, but maybe he should think before he talks smack.

2. How do we know he didn't deserve this? At this point, we don't know anything. They are listing the incident as an apparent robbery. Apparent being the key word. God knows Javon isn't going to tell the whole story.

3. Javon is a turd, plain and simple. TT should get a lot of credit for PROPERLY dealing with him.

[The Leaper]

More money, more problems.

[Scott Campbell]

This is starting to look like a pattern of behavior. If you keep putting yourself in harms way, eventually the odds will have their way.

[SkinBasket]

Fucking stupid. It's hard to say he didn't "deserve" this after he flashed an insane amount of undeserved money in front of hundreds of people and then walked through a secluded dark parking lot because he felt too important to mingle with people on the strip - apparently without any friends or hired protection.

I would say he didn't deserve it if he was retarded or something, and I know he is actually probably close to the medical definition of the term, but he's just an idiot. An idiot who has a penchant for pissing the wrong people off and then acting like he's just an innocent victim. I don't understand how his parents, who cared so much for his career while he was trying to flee GB, haven't hired a handler for him.

[GBRulz]

Way to make TT look even more like a genius, Javon!


Ummm, he got his face bashed in. We don't even have the facts yet.

No, you're right we don't. He has just had a lot of problems since leaving GB and I'm glad that TT parted ways with him and that we have Jennings. That's all I'm saying.

[Packnut]

Wow, people. What's up with the hate for Javon? He was never disrespectful to the fans or the city of GB. He's generally a nice guy, if a bit immature. He does have a lot to learn I thought the decision to trade him was in the best interests of both parties, and I wished Javon well with the Broncs. Unfortunately, it hasn't worked out for a variety of reasons.

Javon has made some poor decisions, but we don't even know the details of this incident. To be glad that he's been injured...there's absolutely no cause for that. I understand that many of you don't respect Javon because of the holdout, and some of you think he makes thoughtless comments. But he's not an a-hole. He's not a criminal. Relishing the injury is not called for.


Finally, a voice (or keyboard) of reason.

I've forgotten the number of times I've been drunk while partying in Vegas. I mean good Lord, that's what that place is for.

I fail to understand how having his best friend die in his arms (something he will never get over), and now getting robbed, equates to ANYTHING concerning Thompson.

I also fail to understand why some here are such hypocrites. I guess when you are a muti- millionare, your suppossed to stay locked up in doors and never have any fun.........................

[The Leaper]

I also fail to understand why some here are such hypocrites. I guess when you are a muti- millionare, your suppossed to stay locked up in doors and never have any fun.........................

Spraying people in a club with Dom to flaunt your wealth, especially in Vegas, is a good way to wind up in the hospital the next day after an early morning trip through a dark parking lot. It isn't about limiting the "fun" factor...it is about acting mature and using your common sense.

Javon made himself a target with his own immature actions. Do you see Michael Jordan hosing down people in a club with champaign? When you are that wealthy, you are a target. Making a spectacle of yourself only makes it worse. Javon clearly hasn't learned that...which is what most are pointing out.

[SkinBasket]

I also fail to understand why some here are such hypocrites. I guess when you are a muti- millionare, your suppossed to stay locked up in doors and never have any fun.........................

I forgot that the only way for 30 year old professional athletes to "have fun" is to go out acting like some hyperbole of a successful black man they saw in a rap video. I guess if you include activities that regularly lead to your friends being gunned down and your ass being beaten as "fun," then your idea of fun is different than mine.

There's a difference between having fun and acting like a fucking moron. Javon apparently can't tell the difference and it looks like some people here can't either.

[GoPackGo]

Javon and Pacman should coordinate next time they're going to Vegas. Javon Walker could spray people with expensive champagne while Pacman makes it rain with dollar bills

[packers11]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/javonmakesitrain.JPG

[Badgerinmaine]

I'm with FavreChild on this one. No, it's not smart to flaunt wealth excessively and no, we haven't always been thrilled with what he's said or done over the years, and yes, maybe he should have been a lot more careful. None of that, to my mind, means that he in some sense got "what he had coming". Merely being jerkish--and none of us has the full story yet--is not even close to sufficient behavior to justify being beaten within an inch of his life. I hope he recovers fully and that some wisdom comes to him from the experiences.

[sharpe1027]

Apparently, he was robbed. That should not happen, period. Just because he may have increased the chances of it happening does not make it his fault. Could he have made smarter decisions? Yes. That doesn't make it his fault nor make him deserving of what happened.

He didn't hurt anyone else or put them in danger, he wasn't driving drunk, he wasn't getting in a fight at a night club, he wasn't being charged with domestic violence, he wasn't in a hot tub with underage girls, I could go on with the list of things Packer players have done and yet plenty of people supported them. Apparently some people think that spraying champange is enough to deserve getting put in the hospital.

Those people saying he didn't make the best decisions, I have no problem with. Those saying he deserved it are a bit out there, IMHO.

[packers11]

hmmm... 60 million dollar contract...

a) hire a security guard for a week while you party in Vegas... or

b) just think that no one in the world is going to be jealous of you (your money) and try to take you out when your alone...

I think 95% of the people that have common sense would go with A... And if you do indeed go alone, just stay in the resorts... I feel bad for what happened, but how it happened bugs me... Give me 60 million, I will do the same exact thing, but I guarantee you, I would not be outside the next morning half dead...

[MadtownPacker]

Finally, a voice (or keyboard) of reason.

I've forgotten the number of times I've been drunk while partying in Vegas. I mean good Lord, that's what that place is for.

I fail to understand how having his best friend die in his arms (something he will never get over), and now getting robbed, equates to ANYTHING concerning Thompson.

I also fail to understand why some here are such hypocrites. I guess when you are a muti- millionare, your suppossed to stay locked up in doors and never have any fun.........................I dont got major bankroll like walker but I still wouldn't stroll around all fucked up in some shady hood that I dont know. That is just common sense for anyone. Unless you never got into shit when you where young you know that walker is rolling with the wrong crowd.

For the record I already said I wouldnt wish this on him.

[Freak Out]

What a waste of good champagne.

[woodbuck27]

Apparently, he was robbed. That should not happen, period. Just because he may have increased the chances of it happening does not make it his fault. Could he have made smarter decisions? Yes. That doesn't make it his fault nor make him deserving of what happened.

He didn't hurt anyone else or put them in danger, he wasn't driving drunk, he wasn't getting in a fight at a night club, he wasn't being charged with domestic violence, he wasn't in a hot tub with underage girls, I could go on with the list of things Packer players have done and yet plenty of people supported them. Apparently some people think that spraying champange is enough to deserve getting put in the hospital.

Those people saying he didn't make the best decisions, I have no problem with. Those saying he deserved it are a bit out there, IMHO.

You have managed to determine 'for your life' being non- judgemenle.

Congratulations as that's not easy. :) Some never make it.

[bobblehead]

The part that don't make sense is him ever being in a position for this to happen. In Vegas, at a major hotel (turns out this was at body english, tryst was the night before i guess) You never have to be exposed. We got Limos and Cabs by the millions parked right in front of every hotel (and valet if you drive). The casino and nightclub are filled with security and robberies beyond a snatch and run NEVER happen inside the casino.

Its just damn hard to be exposed unless you were blatently stupid.

Oh yea, and as far as looking for a hooker, use the yellow pages or the main bar at any major casino, you don't have to go out looking here (not that I would kow....honest.....I don't do that.....for real.....no, really......stop looking at me that way)

[FavreChild]

Again, we still don't know all of the facts.

Secondly, being stupid or careless (IF he in fact was) is not a crime. Neither is flaunting or wasting your money. Beating the shit out of somebody and stealing from them is.

So say a young woman was at a club flaunting her goodies, dancing on the bar, and so forth. She leaves alone to walk back to her car, and gets raped. She deserved it? Blaming the victim is total bullshit.

Yes, there are things that you can do to TRY to protect yourself - with no guarantees. We simply do not know yet whether Javon did those things or not. But it doesn't matter. There's a big difference between not being surprised that this happened to Javon, and saying he deserved it.

[Guiness]

I'm with the rest that wouldn't wish this on him, but given what we know at this point, am not surprised. Not that we know much...I am truly surprised he didn't have a 'posse' or at least some hanger-ons around him. We are jumping to conclusions a little...maybe he went to the can alone, got wacked on the head and dragged out back - but it doesn't seem likely.

I think the statements of he got what he deserved referred more to 'what do you expect' statement than that he should get a beating for what he did.

[Guiness]

So say a young woman was at a club flaunting her goodies, dancing on the bar, and so forth. She leaves alone to walk back to her car, and gets raped. She deserved it? Blaming the victim is total bullshit.


See what I posted just above. She doesn't deserve it in the sense that it should happen to her for what she did...but that would be the height of stupidity. But everyone would say "Well, Duh!". We shouldn't have to worry about these sorts of things, but we do, and we all know it.

[sharpe1027]

I think the statements of he got what he deserved referred more to 'what do you expect' statement than that he should get a beating for what he did.

I think they were just as likely referred more to 'jumping to a conclusion without thinking it through' or to 'being judgemental,' but I guess it doesn't really matter that much.

The question that comes to my mind is how many times has he done something equally stupid and nothing bad has happened? It is quite possible that he's been putting himself at risk alot and this is the time it caught up to him. I don't have anything concrete to support that, but the odds are much better that something like this happens to someone who enages in higher-risk activities often than to someone who acted stupid once...

[Guiness]

I think the statements of he got what he deserved referred more to 'what do you expect' statement than that he should get a beating for what he did.

I think they were just as likely referred more to 'jumping to a conclusion without thinking it through' or to 'being judgemental,' but I guess it doesn't really matter that much.

The question that comes to my mind is how many times has he done something equally stupid and nothing bad has happened? It is quite possible that he's been putting himself at risk alot and this is the time it caught up to him. I don't have anything concrete to support that, but the odds are much better that something like this happens to someone who enages in higher-risk activities often than to someone who acted stupid once...

I was just looking at a thread over at sportsline.com, and some of the posters were saying that apparently he did this just before the Darrent Williams shooting as well!!! The story goes that he was spraying champagne in a nightclub, soaked and infuriated some gang members!!! Sorry, no source for this, other than some posters talking about it, but they were Denver fans, and several of them seemed to state it rather matter-of-factly.

[packers11]

pft.com

CHAMPAGNE SPRAYING PRECEDED DARRENT WILLIAMS MURDER

Posted by Mike Florio on June 17, 2008, 1:02 p.m.
Maybe it’s a function of things being fairly slow right now in NFL circles. Regardless, the Javon Walker situation has created a major buzz on the Internet.

Then again, how often does a high-profile receiver turn up knocked out cold in the street after a weekend of spraying expensive champagne at one or more night clubs?

There are completely unfounded rumors (we repeat . . . completely unfounded rumors) that the incident started with a champagne bidding war between Walker and Floyd Mayweather, and that a member of Mayweather’s entourage later stumbled upon Walker and proceeded to beat him into a pulp.

Regardless, strong similarities exist between Walker’s most recent incident and the circumstances that preceded the shooting death of Darrent Williams. Here’s a quote from an August 11, 2007 AP item regarding an interview of Walker aired by HBO’s Real Sports: “[A]nother Broncos receiver, Brandon Marshall, and his cousin were partying with Williams’ group that night and began spraying champagne around, ’some of which hit a club patron and his friend, who confronted Williams and his entourage.’ Those men flashed gang signs and were escorted out of the club, said members of a rap group from Williams’ hometown of Fort Worth, Texas, who were with him that night.”

Apart from the question of whether the more recent champagne spraying and the subsequent cold-cocking are in any way related, we’d like to think that Walker would have sworn off champagne spraying given its role in the chain of events that resulted in Darrent Williams dying in Javon Walker’s arms.

When Walker explained to Andrea Kremer of Real Sports the reason for keeping his bloody shirt from that night, Walker said, “It’s just something that reminds me every day of what could happen and this is what happened to my friend.”

Maybe it takes a second bloody shirt to help Walker realize that nothing good ever comes from spraying champagne (or any other beverage) onto a group of people that might not necessarily want to be sprayed with it.

[packers11]

some of the posters here surprise me with the defense you are trying to give to Walker...

He did it once, someone died...
He did it twice, he got the shit kicked out of him...
He did it three times... well you know were its going...

If that dip-shit hasn't learned that you need to be protected by some type of security in big cities (when your a NFL PLAYER) then i'm sorry to say but he hasn't had the worse come for him yet...

did he deserve it ... no...
did he have it comming? yes...

[packers11]

The Associated Press reports that Javon Walker had a large amount of cash and jewelry taken from him in a robbery before he was found lying unconscious on a Las Vegas street Monday.

[packers11]

espn.com


There are some tragic ironies to the Javon Walker robbery story.

Walker went to Las Vegas in the days after Darrent Williams was killed in Denver on Jan. 1, 2007. Williams died in Walker's arms in a rented limousine after the two attended a New Year's Eve party in downtown Denver. Walker received a lot of criticism for going to Las Vegas and going to nightclubs instead of joining the rest of the organization in Fort Worth, Texas, at Williams' funeral.

Walker said in an HBO interview last summer that he fled Denver for Las Vegas because he was scared for his life.

In that same interview, Walker said a melee started before Williams was shot because Denver receiver Brandon Marshall and his cousin were spraying champagne at the Denver nightclubs and that it agitated gang members in attendance.

According to a report in the Las Vegas Review-Journal, Walker -- who signed with Oakland after being cut by Denver this offseason -- was spraying champagne at two Las Vegas nightclubs last weekend, including shortly before he was found unconscious.

[FavreChild]

Oh, I didn't realize the penalty for spraying champagne - at most, an offense of freaking etiquette, mind you - is being shit kicked or shot to death.

Give me an effing break.

So the next time some a-hole spills beer on me at Lambeau, I'll keep that in mind.

Some of you are still jumping to conclusions and making ridiculous judgments on the situation. Y'all believe what you want to believe, I guess.

[packers11]

He did it once, someone died...
He did it twice, he got the shit kicked out of him...
He did it three times... well you know were its going...

Oh, I didn't realize the penalty for spraying champagne - at most, an offense of freaking etiquette, mind you - is being shit kicked or shot to death.

Give me an effing break.

So the next time some a-hole spills beer on me at Lambeau, I'll keep that in mind.

Some of you are still jumping to conclusions and making ridiculous judgments on the situation. Y'all believe what you want to believe, I guess.

haha not at all.. I wouldn't give a shit about people spraying champagne on me... BUT WE LIVE IN A WORLD WERE PEOPLE KILL OVER NOTHING...

They had a whole hour series on NFL NETWORK a couple months ago telling ALL PLAYERS to stay with security when they go to clubs/night events because of the target on their back...

Favrechild... If YOU were rich and had your best friend die on you during one of the "fun events" you were doing... Don't you think you would smarten up just a tiny bit and keep someone by your side knowing people might still have it out for you???

If your answer is no... Then common sense is at an all time low in America...

[FavreChild]

I hear what you're saying, but common sense and logic go out the window in a lot of situations.

Many people, if not most, do not deal with tragedy rationally. If I had enough money and time to spend drowning my sorrows and escaping from my problems, especially when I was younger, I probably would.

Does Javon have a lot to learn about life? Hell yeah. (So do most of us.) Still, the fact remains, he didn't do anything "wrong." Could he have made different - and possibly better - choices? Yes. We all could admit to that about ourselves. But he did nothing illegal or harmful. All the rush to judge him seems pretty unreasonable.

[Gunakor]

I'm not going to go out and say that he deserved what he got, but if you don't want to be robbed then don't show anybody your money. Don't spray the crowd with Dom. Don't draw attention to yourself. Don't go wandering off by yourself into suspicious areas. Did he deserve to get robbed and beaten, no, but he sure as hell didn't do anything to prevent such an attack. Yes, I suppose the victim DOES share some responsibility in this case, as he willingly invited this to occur through his actions prior to this happening. This doesn't seem like just a random act of violence. He made himself a target. Thus I don't feel sorry for him.

[CaptainKickass]

I'm no medical terminology major - so I googled it:

Definition of Orbital fracture

from www.medterms.com

"Orbital fracture: A break in one of the bones that make up the orbit. Since the orbit is the seat of the globe (the eye), an orbital fracture can be a serious, sight-threatening break. (Goggles are recommended for racquetball and handball players because of significant risk of orbital fracture from the impact of a speeding ball.)

The orbit is complexly constituted. It is made up of parts of six bones: the frontal, ethmoidal, lacrimal, and sphenoid bones and the maxilla and zygoma. A break in the orbit portion of one or more of these six bones is an orbital fracture."




In case any of you were lazier than I.


:)

[cpk1994]

I'm not going to go out and say that he deserved what he got, but if you don't want to be robbed then don't show anybody your money. Don't spray the crowd with Dom. Don't draw attention to yourself. Don't go wandering off by yourself into suspicious areas. Did he deserve to get robbed and beaten, no, but he sure as hell didn't do anything to prevent such an attack. Yes, I suppose the victim DOES share some responsibility in this case, as he willingly invited this to occur through his actions prior to this happening. This doesn't seem like just a random act of violence. He made himself a target. Thus I don't feel sorry for him.I agree. Well said.

[Pugger]

Unfortunately today you can't be to careful. Javon was careless and unwittingly made himself a target. No one "asks" or deserves to be beaten to a pulp. Especially in a city like Vegas one shouldn't draw attention to oneself and flash money around. I hope Walker has learned his lesson. If not he might not be so lucky the next time around!!

[sharpe1027]

some of the posters here surprise me with the defense you are trying to give to Walker...

He did it once, someone died...
He did it twice, he got the shit kicked out of him...
He did it three times... well you know were its going...

If that dip-shit hasn't learned that you need to be protected by some type of security in big cities (when your a NFL PLAYER) then i'm sorry to say but he hasn't had the worse come for him yet...

did he deserve it ... no...
did he have it comming? yes...

I don't think anyone is defending Walker's actions as being smart or right or positive, ect. What most posters "defending" him have said is that he did not deserve to be robbed and hospitalized for spraying champagne.

I think most people actually agree on this issue. He was stupid, but it sucks that things like this happen.

[bobblehead]

Oh, I didn't realize the penalty for spraying champagne - at most, an offense of freaking etiquette, mind you - is being shit kicked or shot to death.

Give me an effing break.

So the next time some a-hole spills beer on me at Lambeau, I'll keep that in mind.

Some of you are still jumping to conclusions and making ridiculous judgments on the situation. Y'all believe what you want to believe, I guess.

If you spill a beer on me by accident and say "oh damn, I'm so sorry" no biggie, i'll wipe it off and go about life. if you intentionally spray a bottle of champagne on me and cop attitude when I tell you knock it off....your probably gonna get hit.

I'm not running around saying he deserved it or anything, but sometimes when people run around complaining cuz we point out the guy is an ass I wonder what is going on in your head. His behavior is very relevant to this whole situation, it would be great if we all lived in a world where none of our actions have consequences, but we don't.

Just like the tatoo thread, what we do will cause us to be judged, fairly or not. one guy has a lot of tats but said he has taken care to keep them under cloth limits....thats called good judgement, if you get a tatoo on your face and get mad cuz someone doing the hiring thinks it speaks volumes about your judgement...look in the mirror.

There may be times in JWalks life where he is being treated unfairly, but a long pattern of stupidity isn't always everyone elses fault and if we rush to judge him a "dumbass" that is more on him at this stage than it is on any of us.

[Lurker64]

This might be the end of JWalks career, a couple of years ago Bill Romanowski broke Marcus Williams's orbital bone in an altercation in practice and Williams never played football again because of blurry vision. "Wearing a football helmet" is one of the worst things to do if you're trying to recover from such an injury.

I wonder how badly he broke it. Walker's eyesight was never particularly good to begin with.

[SkinBasket]

But he did nothing illegal or harmful. All the rush to judge him seems pretty unreasonable.

He's being judged as an idiot, not as a criminal.

If I go into some shit hole in the darkest heart of Detroit, find a bunch of black fellas all dressed in the same colors, strip down to a thong, leather chaps, a necklace with $100,000 of diamonds hanging off it, and a KKK Grand Dragon hood on my head and do a nice pole dance on the bar, I haven't really done anything illegal either. But what the fuck do you thinks going to happen to my white ass?

[Badgerinmaine]

The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that Javon Walker "had about $3,000 in cash and $100,000 in jewelry stolen, which included a watch, necklace and earrings", according to a Las Vegas police lieutenant:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/17/SPD011AK4A.DTL

The lieutenant also says that the police believe the incident was not random and that the attackers knew who Walker was.

This leaves me several thoughts:
1. That is one hell of a lot of loot to be carrying around at one time. Here in central Maine, you could buy a decent small house with the cash value of the jewelry Walker was wearing. (I can only imagine what our homeless shelters and food banks here--who are seeing record numbers of people seeking help--could do with a tenth of that money). Wearing all that jewelry in public in a place like Las Vegas seems awfully risky to me and fits in with the idea that his flaunting his wealth could have rubbed people the wrong way.
2. There's a pattern of bad judgment on Walker's part.
3. But, putting yourself at risk still does not absolve the attackers of responsibility, nor does it mean Walker deserved to be beaten or robbed. However, maybe the next high-rolling pro athlete will think twice in a similar situation and something good will come from it all in the end.

[FavreChild]

But he did nothing illegal or harmful. All the rush to judge him seems pretty unreasonable.

He's being judged as an idiot, not as a criminal.

If I go into some shit hole in the darkest heart of Detroit, find a bunch of black fellas all dressed in the same colors, strip down to a thong, leather chaps, a necklace with $100,000 of diamonds hanging off it, and a KKK Grand Dragon hood on my head and do a nice pole dance on the bar, I haven't really done anything illegal either. But what the fuck do you thinks going to happen to my white ass?

Well, first of all, that's not an equal comparison. If - IF - Javon sprayed some champagne, whoopdeedoo - and if it was sooo offensive, his ass would have been kicked out of the club.

Secondly, I got no problem with him being judged as an idiot (although I disagree with the judgment). The problem comes in with the leap in logic from him being an idiot to not caring if he's the victim of a violent crime.

[FavreChild]

So anyone wearing expensive jewelry is stupid to be wearing it in public because they are just asking to be ripped off - violently if need be?

So what if Javon was showing off his loot at some club?

Does that mean if some jerk is arrogantly driving their Porsche or Maserati, maybe cutting a few people off, then it's okay for them to be beaten and car-jacked?

Sorry, I just don't understand the logic between Javon splurging foolishly and taking a chance on being ripped off. I'm sure he never thought for one minute that he'd get shit-kicked and robbed as a consequence of partying too much at some club. I know that wouldn't be my concern; I'd just be worried about having a good time.

I'll stop now. :wink: But all I'm saying is that what you're asking of Javon - don't wear jewelry, don't go out an party in public when you're a well-known football player, don't spend lavishly - that's unreasonable. None of those things are wrong or offensive. The champagne thing - IF it's true - maybe is mildly offensive at MOST when you're at a club full of drunks. Jeez, it's not even as bad as throwing a drink at somebody, which is deliberately provocative.

[Zool]

Does that mean if some jerk is arrogantly driving their Porsche or Maserati, maybe cutting a few people off, then it's okay for them to be beaten and car-jacked?

This isnt fair either. People that drive like that DO deserve to be beaten no matter the type of car.

[packers11]

I'll stop now. :wink: But all I'm saying is that what you're asking of Javon - don't wear jewelry, don't go out an party in public when you're a well-known football player, don't spend lavishly - that's unreasonable. .

wrong... most people are saying that if he is going to be such a hot head, at-least bring some security with him or stay in the populated areas (were security is present)... ESPICALLY after seeing what happened to his friend... I mean he is 60 million dollars richer, what would a couple thousand to a security company do to his bank account???

[Badgerinmaine]

Against my better judgment, I'm going to keep going. At a time when so many have so little, I DO think there's something deeply offensive about wearing flashy things to just show off how wealthy one is, or wasting so much money on firing $15,000 of champagne into a crowd. We're all stewards of what we have, and we should use it wisely. Last night, my church was discussing what we are going to do to help people here in Maine who cannot afford to heat their homes this winter when we have major deficits of our own (fixing the leaking steeple's stonework alone is going to run around $100K). We're looking at taking volunteers to staff our parish hall so the elderly and others with financial problems in a state where nearly 90% heat with heating oil--now going for over $4.50 a gallon--can stay warm and avoid pneumonia. As the Good Book says, "to those much has been given, much is expected". One can dress nicely and live nicely without doing so in a way designed to run others down.

But again--I do NOT think crime victims deserve what they get. Aside from self-defense--which looks extremely unlikely here--nothing could possibly justify what happened to Javon Walker. I hope and pray that he recovers. There is something to be said for being careful and taking responsibility for oneself to avoid trouble--but even someone who doesn't does not deserve to be beaten senseless--or at all--by angry people.

[CaptainKickass]

Does that mean if some jerk is arrogantly driving their Porsche or Maserati, maybe cutting a few people off, then it's okay for them to be beaten and car-jacked?

Many would say yes. I don't think it's correct - but that's what we have laws for. Many is the time I've been all road raged up and wanted to do exactly this. What kept me from doing it? The fact that 5 glorious minutes of a much deserved ass-whooping would not be worth the years in prison.

People have been killing each other for less since the dawn of man.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The San Francisco Chronicle is reporting that Javon Walker "had about $3,000 in cash and $100,000 in jewelry stolen, which included a watch, necklace and earrings", according to a Las Vegas police lieutenant:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/06/17/SPD011AK4A.DTL

The lieutenant also says that the police believe the incident was not random and that the attackers knew who Walker was.

This leaves me several thoughts:
1. That is one hell of a lot of loot to be carrying around at one time. Here in central Maine, you could buy a decent small house with the cash value of the jewelry Walker was wearing. (I can only imagine what our homeless shelters and food banks here--who are seeing record numbers of people seeking help--could do with a tenth of that money). Wearing all that jewelry in public in a place like Las Vegas seems awfully risky to me and fits in with the idea that his flaunting his wealth could have rubbed people the wrong way.
2. There's a pattern of bad judgment on Walker's part.
3. But, putting yourself at risk still does not absolve the attackers of responsibility, nor does it mean Walker deserved to be beaten or robbed. However, maybe the next high-rolling pro athlete will think twice in a similar situation and something good will come from it all in the end.

Badger,

I have to respectfully disagree.

1. Loot. Carrying 3K in vegas is NOTHNG. I've seen way more cash than that in your basic Scottsdale club. My god, to get you and your six friends into a good club and not wait in line is gonna run a hundy per person. And, then you are gonna want a table..that is another 1K right there.
2. Jewelry. Again, 100K is nothing. He might have spent 50K alone on a watch..iced out. Or, you could spot doctors and lawyers wearing 30K watches from Panerai, Audemar Piaget, etc. that cost that amount. A really nice watch and a couple of chains is 100K..and you would look at him and think, that is some fancy jewelry, but far from ridiculous bling you see on some rappers. According to reports, watch, necklace, and earings. Easily could spend 10-20k on diamond studs. Watch 50K. 30K on necklace.

Now, perhaps you dont' appprove of how he spends his money..and i can appreciate that, but it is his money, he earned it (ok, folks...take the shots at earning it...more than fair game)..and can spend it as he chooses.

3. It is Vegas. THat is the whole point of Vegas..to look your best. My god, if you can't rock it in Vegas..where can you? Vegas is all about ostentatious, over the top, gaudy behavior...from ridiculous jewelry...to women flaunting it.

4.Bad judgement. Look, i could see it if we were talking about his hometown..repeatedly going out and associating with a bad element. But, this is vegas. He was a normal club..a club that i've been to..and every college student at ASU has been to as well.

He didn't deserve to be beaten. He didn't have it coming. Spraying people at clubs is quite common. Not a black or white thing..a club thing.

Some of the posters on this board are just..well, impossible to please. If javon was out with large posse..they would proclaim him an asshole for doing that. Who does he think he is. Or, if some sorta incident happened and his posse protected him...they would say..that is what happens when you have a posse.

If he goes out and tries to be a fairly normal person..in vegas..a place that celebs/athletes go to frequently, then he is stupid and has it coming.

Why dont' we all wait and see what develops. the police don't believe it was random.

didn't anyone learn anything from the rush to judgement on sean taylor?

[Badgerinmaine]

Why dont' we all wait and see what develops. the police don't believe it was random.

didn't anyone learn anything from the rush to judgement on sean taylor?

I can't argue about what's typical in Las Vegas or Arizona not having been there (though hearing the details makes me feel happier than ever to live in Maine :-)) , and I also respectfully disagree with some of your opinions--but on the points above about withholding judgment, you are absolutely right. Well said, sir.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Why dont' we all wait and see what develops. the police don't believe it was random.

didn't anyone learn anything from the rush to judgement on sean taylor?

I can't argue about what's typical in Las Vegas or Arizona not having been there (though hearing the details makes me feel happier than ever to live in Maine :-)) , and I also respectfully disagree with some of your opinions--but on the points above about withholding judgment, you are absolutely right. Well said, sir.

Agreed.

The west is much different than the east coast or midwest. Takes some gettin use to.

[mission]

100 stacks on jewelry aint much...

but javon is an idiot because he knows better.

i dont where my tag heuer when i roll up the block to buy some blunts or pork skins let alone gleaming ear to ear off the lightposts.

if you gettin into it all night at the club, poppin bottles, bein obviously fucked up, probably talkin a lil "friendly" shit that eventually isnt perceived as such... and then leave alone...

sorry, but we got one word for that: (a) vic.. (a) mark... a... "victim" for all you "omg poor javon" people.

that will happen 9 times out of 10 if he tries it again... his lack of judgement -- or probably more accurately -- his lack of motor skills, put him in the situation.

party it up, bump em up, drop em back, whatever... but dont be a fuckin obnoxious, out of control asshole and know when you're about to do something that even a five year old knows better than to do.


:arrow:

i said it in the last thread and ill say it again...

The Law of Bob: When Bob has a problem with everyone, the problem is usually Bob.

[packers11]

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MAYWEATHER-WALKER RUMORS GATHER STEAM
Posted by Mike Florio on June 17, 2008, 8:10 p.m.
A league source tells us that there’s definitely talk among more than a few players of some potential connection between the face rearrangement suffered by Raiders receiver Javon Walker and boxer Floyd Mayweather.

Though the rumors don’t implicate Mayweather, the unfounded innuendo making the rounds on the web are that Mayweather and Walker were in a champagne bidding war at some point over the weekend, and that at some point thereafter one or more persons with ties to Mayweather came across Walker and proceeded to pound the living crap out of him.

Of course, it’s entirely possible that the rumors among NFL players trace to the Internet rumors, and not to anyone who knows anything about what happened.

As for Walker, it’s unknown whether he has said anything to anyone about what occurred. There’s a chance that Walker will opt for the “I don’t remember nothing” approach, if he has any concerns about possible retaliation.

Per media reports, Walker was robbed of $3,000 in cash and $100,000 in jewelry.

“He’s a guy that was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Packers linebacker Nick Barnett told WBAY-TV in Green Bay. “I mean, it’s happened to him a couple of times now. He was just trying to go out and have a good time. It’s not his fault. It’s scary that that can happen to another individual.”

[RashanGary]

Well, first of all, that's not an equal comparison. If - IF - Javon sprayed some champagne, whoopdeedoo - and if it was sooo offensive, his ass would have been kicked out of the club.

Secondly, I got no problem with him being judged as an idiot (although I disagree with the judgment). The problem comes in with the leap in logic from him being an idiot to not caring if he's the victim of a violent crime.


Who do you think is going to get kicked out? The poor thugs wearing their best cloths and spending more than they can afford just to have a few drinks or the guy who just spent 15,000 on champagne?

That's the whole thing about spraying people down with Champagne, if you're rich you have to power to soak the shit out of whoever you want and you won't get kicked out. It's insulting as shit to be the loser who's being degraded, but that's what not having money buys you. However, as soon as Javon gets outside the cozy confines of a club where his money protects him those losers who Javon got to spray down with no concenquence might take offense. Maybe Javon thinks it's just fun and meant no harm, but there is some thug with a chip on his shoulder who was probably really pissed off and humiliated in front of his girl friend and friends. Then there is a matter of flashing money around and some people will just beat him down for that.

Nobody is saying he deserved this in an "eye for an eye" sense. He didn't hurt anyone physically, but he pissed a few poeple off and drew attention to himself. If it happens again you feel a little bad, but you say "damn, it was bound to happen, the guy's an idiot". That's where we're all at. He's an idiot that is putting himself in situations where bad things are boudn to happne. If I did that even once "and I owuldn't even if I had that much money", I would certainly not do it again but he did. Maybe he didn't deserve it, but if I put myself there I'd take full responsiblity for my idiocy so why not hold that moron to the same standard I would hold myself.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Well, first of all, that's not an equal comparison. If - IF - Javon sprayed some champagne, whoopdeedoo - and if it was sooo offensive, his ass would have been kicked out of the club.

Secondly, I got no problem with him being judged as an idiot (although I disagree with the judgment). The problem comes in with the leap in logic from him being an idiot to not caring if he's the victim of a violent crime.


Who do you think is going to get kicked out? The poor thugs wearing their best cloths and spending more than they can afford just to have a few drinks or the guy who just spent 15,000 on champagne?

That's the whole thing about spraying people down with Champagne, if you're rich you have to power to soak the shit out of whoever you want and you won't get kicked out. It's insulting as shit to be the loser who's being degraded, but that's what not having money buys you. However, as soon as Javon gets outside the cozy confines of a club where his money protects him those losers who Javon got to spray down with no concenquence might take offense. Maybe Javon thinks it's just fun and meant no harm, but there is some thug with a chip on his shoulder who was probably really pissed off and humiliated in front of his girl friend and friends. Then there is a matter of flashing money around and some people will just beat him down for that.

Nobody is saying he deserved this in an "eye for an eye" sense. He didn't hurt anyone physically, but he pissed a few poeple off and drew attention to himself. If it happens again you feel a little bad, but you say "damn, it was bound to happen, the guy's an idiot". That's where we're all at. He's an idiot that is putting himself in situations where bad things are boudn to happne. If I did that even once "and I owuldn't even if I had that much money", I would certainly not do it again but he did. Maybe he didn't deserve it, but if I put myself there I'd take full responsiblity for my idiocy so why not hold that moron to the same standard I would hold myself.

Justin,

Have you been to a club in vegas? From your post, doesn't sound like it.

NO one was being degraded.

And, if the rumors are true...that is going to make you look even more foolish.

And, to even start guessing that what he did at the club has something to do with his attack...at this time is premature.

[bobblehead]

I'll say this, the jewelry and cash JWalk was sportin ain't all that for vegas. I know guys who walk around with 25K cash and well over 100k in bling. They are generally smart enough not to get caught in a spot they could get mugged, worst case they get bonked over the head by a hooker who makes off with the cash.

The spraying the crowd with champagne...that I take issue with..If I bought a bottle of dom and sprayed it from the bar out I go in a hurry. BUT, if I run up a 20K bar tab in the process of spraying 10-15 bottles on the crowd, nobody touches me, fair..probably not, but that is life.

I'm not "judging" him, but I'm not surprised if he was dumb enough to be alone where they found him that he got rolled and whooped. There is a reason the vegas clubs work very hard to keep the hip hop crowd in but the gang crowd out...its a fine line, but that fine line is worth millions a year with minimal crime.

One more thing, Tryst is a bit of a different club and you can spray that crowd down and get away with it, most of them are there for the sole fact they want to see JWalk, or Money Meyweather and tell their friends how JWalk sprayed them. Body English is a bunch of younger guys spending more than they want to trying to get laid and they don't want JWalk spraying them down in front of the chic they are trying to impress. He is guilty of being an idiot, I don't think he "deserved" an ass whooping, but no one should be shocked he got one.

[Guiness]

Badger,

I have to respectfully disagree.

[snip] (no one needs to read all that again if they're following the thread!)

Agreed with your points that 3K is nothing in Vegas...and 100K in jewelry seems steep, but I can't really comment...I've seen a gold Rolex Submariner for $20K and a Panerai for $25K, so I guess custom models could easily get up there. Anyways, you're quite right that if you can't wear and flaunt that stuff in Vegas, where the heck can you???

My issue is still with where he was found, and that he was alone. Say whatever you want about him not deserving it, etc, but you can't ignore basic human nature, and for crying out loud, if I knew a guy was carrying 100K, and he went down a back alley alone, I'd consider tapping him on the back of the head!!!!

Of course, he wasn't just tapped - he was beaten. So maybe he played tough guy, and stood up to some muggers, or he was targeted because of his behavior in the club...

[Scott Campbell]

It's too bad the Commish can't suspend him for this. Or can he?


Could have been a drug deal gone bad.

[packers11]

WALKERS EXPLANATION

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WALKER SPEAKS, MAKES NO SENSE
Posted by Mike Florio on June 17, 2008, 10:45 p.m.
Raiders receiver Javon Walker has given an exclusive interview to TheDirty.com, a web site that gathered notoriety over the past few months for, among other things, the publication of photographs of NFL players in compromising positions.

Here’s Walker’s claim: “I was just back at my room and at about 5:30 in the morning, I got a knock at the door, I opened it and 3 guys with guns were there, they cracked me in the head a few times knocking me unconcious. They then robbed me of everything I had– my watch– money– everything! Somehow they got me to the car and dropped me off in the street. That’s what happened.”

Our reaction? Perhaps they need to check out Walker’s brain function a little more closely. Because whatever it was that cracked his orbital bone also might have functioned as the equivalent of a lobotomy.

Think about it. Three gun-wielding thugs walk through the lobby and, somehow knowing the number of Walker’s room, show up there, knock on the door, and pistol whip him when he opens it. Then, after ransacking the room, they drag his unconscious body out of the hotel without being detected and leave it in the street.

Also, and as our buddy Jason Whitlock has pointed out via e-mail since we initially posted this item, there are surveillance cameras everywhere in Vegas. So if Javon was staying at the swankiest hotel or at the Motel 6 at 707 Fremont Avenue, chances are that there’s footage somewhere of the marauding gang of thugs who accosted Walker at his room and dragged his unconscious body to their car. The likely absence of such video evidence will blow his story out of the water.

As we suggested during our Tuesday night visit with Todd Wright on Sporting News Radio, maybe the crooks put Brandon Marshall’s McDonald’s bag over Walker’s head so that Javon wouldn’t know where they were taking him.

If Walker’s story is true (and we’re certain that it isn’t), it’s surely not a random act. Robbers just want the loot — they feel no need to disrespect the victim if doing so enhances the possibility of being caught.

Given this lame-ass explanation, we’ve concluded that any and all jokes about the situation are fair game. And so we present Taco Bill’s Pic of the Day, crafted in honor of the Walker incident.

UPDATE: Then again, maybe it was a pack of land sharks.

[BallHawk]

Just when you think he can't get any dumber.....

[RashanGary]

Just when you think he can't get any dumber.....


He and the Raiders deserve each other.

[SkinBasket]

Just when you think he can't get any dumber.....


Oh lordy lordy lordy!!! Don't go jumpin' to no conclusions now ya'll!

[KYPack]

I've refrained from comment. I was guilty of making a major jump to a wrong conclusion in the Sean Taylor case. That had all the earmarks of a retribution shooting to me, but it turns out Sean just got jumped by lunkheads. So I don't wanna cast any stones 'til i can see what I'm throwing 'em at.

The Walker incident is obviously one in which 'ol Javon used some piss-poor judgement, but this latest bullshit story he has told about what happened (3 masked men, why not 3 wise men?), makes me wonder.

What in the hell really did happen? Most of the events in this case took place in a very public club and some in the back alley's of Vegas. Most of the real story will come out. I've got the feeling we've still only heard a part of this tale, & it will be VERY interesting when the whole story comes out.

[Zool]

(3 masked men, why not 3 wise men?)

And a li'l drummer boy.

[Scott Campbell]

CHAMPAGNE SPRAYING PRECEDED DARRENT WILLIAMS MURDER
Posted by Mike Florio on June 17, 2008, 1:02 p.m.

Maybe it’s a function of things being fairly slow right now in NFL circles. Regardless, the Javon Walker situation has created a major buzz on the Internet.

Then again, how often does a high-profile receiver turn up knocked out cold in the street after a weekend of spraying expensive champagne at one or more night clubs?

There are completely unfounded rumors (we repeat . . . completely unfounded rumors) that the incident started with a champagne bidding war between Walker and Floyd Mayweather, and that a member of Mayweather’s entourage later stumbled upon Walker and proceeded to beat him into a pulp.

Regardless, strong similarities exist between Walker’s most recent incident and the circumstances that preceded the shooting death of Darrent Williams. Here’s a quote from an August 11, 2007 AP item regarding an interview of Walker aired by HBO’s Real Sports: “[A]nother Broncos receiver, Brandon Marshall, and his cousin were partying with Williams’ group that night and began spraying champagne around, ’some of which hit a club patron and his friend, who confronted Williams and his entourage.’ Those men flashed gang signs and were escorted out of the club, said members of a rap group from Williams’ hometown of Fort Worth, Texas, who were with him that night.”

Apart from the question of whether the more recent champagne spraying and the subsequent cold-cocking are in any way related, we’d like to think that Walker would have sworn off champagne spraying given its role in the chain of events that resulted in Darrent Williams dying in Javon Walker’s arms.

When Walker explained to Andrea Kremer of Real Sports the reason for keeping his bloody shirt from that night, Walker said, “It’s just something that reminds me every day of what could happen and this is what happened to my friend.”

Maybe it takes a second bloody shirt to help Walker realize that nothing good ever comes from spraying champagne (or any other beverage) onto a group of people that might not necessarily want to be sprayed with it.

UPDATE: There’s really nothing to say about the following YouTube clip, which purports to be footage of Walker spraying the crowd with champagne at the Body English club.

[Scott Campbell]

I found this comment pretty funny:

Traditionally, I’ve found that alcohol works better in hot chicks than on hot chicks.

[Bossman641]

I'll stop now. :wink: But all I'm saying is that what you're asking of Javon - don't wear jewelry, don't go out an party in public when you're a well-known football player, don't spend lavishly - that's unreasonable. None of those things are wrong or offensive. The champagne thing - IF it's true - maybe is mildly offensive at MOST when you're at a club full of drunks. Jeez, it's not even as bad as throwing a drink at somebody, which is deliberately provocative.

I don't think anybody is saying not to go out, or not to wear jewelry. I think most people are surprised that he did not have a security guard or a posse with him given the fact that he was wearing flashy jewelry and flaunting his wealth. If I had just signed a huge new contract, I'd most definitely live it up. I wouldn't not drink, I wouldn't hole up in a mansion somewhere. I'd go out and have fun but I would have some people there watchin my back.

Did he deserve to get robbed and beaten? No. Is it surprising given the circumstances? No.

[Scott Campbell]

NO one was being degraded.



Tyrone, you're being an arrogant pompous ass if you are now speaking on behalf of every one of those "sprayees" at that club. Don't you think you're a little full of yourself - even for you? I understand that you are hip to the Vegas club scene. Congratulations already - I am duly impressed. :bs:

[Scott Campbell]

Did he deserve to get robbed and beaten? No. Is it surprising given the circumstances? No.



Agreed. But the story smells pretty fishy to me, and should provide plenty more offseason entertainment before it all blows over.

In keeping with the Vegas theme, I'll bet Javon's stupidity played a major role in what happened. Of course, I could be wrong......

[Bossman641]

Did he deserve to get robbed and beaten? No. Is it surprising given the circumstances? No.



Agreed. But the story smells pretty fishy to me, and should provide plenty more offseason entertainment before it all blows over.

In keeping with the Vegas theme, I'll bet Javon's stupidity played a major role in what happened. Of course, I could be wrong......

His story sounds very fishy to me as well. I'm sure we will find out a lot more in the next few days.

[The Leaper]

Justin,

Have you been to a club in vegas? From your post, doesn't sound like it.

NO one was being degraded.

Considering how you are quick to jump people's shit about being "premature", I think it is equally premature to suggest that it is a fact that no one felt degraded.

How the hell do you know that? There certainly is a possibility that Walker's action did piss someone off...unless you were there, you don't know. It could've pissed someone off even if that had nothing at all to do with his mugging.

Many people going clubbing in their best outfits don't like being sprayed down with sticky champaign and having to pay for a steep dry cleaning bill afterward.

[The Leaper]

I'll say this, the jewelry and cash JWalk was sportin ain't all that for vegas.

It isn't...until you consider where he was found. To go wandering off on your own outside a casino in Vegas with that kind of loot on you is quite unusual and not too bright.

[Guiness]

WALKERS EXPLANATION

pft.com
WALKER SPEAKS, MAKES NO SENSE

Wow, that's something, that is. The Dirty dot com? Don't know them...is that actually a reliable source? My first reaction after reading it is that is sounded like something from The Onion. :?

Working on the assumption that he actually said those things, something like this is the only explanation I can think of that could possibly vindicate him. Or something like the one I posted earlier about him getting knocked on the head in the can.

Florio is being facetious about 3 gun toting thugs not getting noticed; it is quite possible for them to get in and out with no problem, if they're pros, and they did a bit of planning. However, he's also right that there will be some evidence, video or otherwise, left behind. Maybe not enough to identify the perps, but there should be some sign of three guys helping their woozy friend...

But this still gets back to the beating he took. Pros wouldn't mess him up like that, unless they were paid to give him a beatdown, as opposed to a simple robbery. So, then, who and why? Javon's been a lot of things, but has kept his nose clean. Someone mentioned Merriweather earlier - he's also kept his clean, but boxer's are boxer's :?

btw they have a poll at pft - 365 don't believe him, 56 do...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

NO one was being degraded.



Tyrone, you're being an arrogant pompous ass if you are now speaking on behalf of every one of those "sprayees" at that club. Don't you think you're a little full of yourself - even for you? I understand that you are hip to the Vegas club scene. Congratulations already - I am duly impressed. :bs:

Get over yourself scott.

Getting sprayed with champagne isn't degrading...some like it, some ask for it..depends on the club.

Might be a tool thing to do..but, the people being sprayed aren't being degraded.

1. reduced in rank, position, reputation, etc.: He felt degraded by the trivial tasks assigned to him.
2. reduced in quality or value; debased; vulgarized: the degraded level of the modern novel.

In the clubs, if you aren't in the VIP..you are already "degraded."

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I've refrained from comment. I was guilty of making a major jump to a wrong conclusion in the Sean Taylor case. That had all the earmarks of a retribution shooting to me, but it turns out Sean just got jumped by lunkheads. So I don't wanna cast any stones 'til i can see what I'm throwing 'em at.

The Walker incident is obviously one in which 'ol Javon used some piss-poor judgement, but this latest bullshit story he has told about what happened (3 masked men, why not 3 wise men?), makes me wonder.

What in the hell really did happen? Most of the events in this case took place in a very public club and some in the back alley's of Vegas. Most of the real story will come out. I've got the feeling we've still only heard a part of this tale, & it will be VERY interesting when the whole story comes out.

KYPack,

The story is true.

I heard the assailiants employed a physics device, called “the pinch,” to help them avoid detection as they carried Walker from the room to the car. Set off in the middle of Las Vegas, the pinch detonates an intense “electromagnetic pulse” that blacks out the city’s power grid for a few moments. So you see, there will be no video evidence of this crime.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Justin,

Have you been to a club in vegas? From your post, doesn't sound like it.

NO one was being degraded.

Considering how you are quick to jump people's shit about being "premature", I think it is equally premature to suggest that it is a fact that no one felt degraded.

How the hell do you know that? There certainly is a possibility that Walker's action did piss someone off...unless you were there, you don't know. It could've pissed someone off even if that had nothing at all to do with his mugging.

Many people going clubbing in their best outfits don't like being sprayed down with sticky champaign and having to pay for a steep dry cleaning bill afterward.

I agree. They may have been pissed. I disagree with the term degraded.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

WALKERS EXPLANATION

pft.com
WALKER SPEAKS, MAKES NO SENSE

Wow, that's something, that is. The Dirty dot com? Don't know them...is that actually a reliable source? My first reaction after reading it is that is sounded like something from The Onion. :?

Working on the assumption that he actually said those things, something like this is the only explanation I can think of that could possibly vindicate him. Or something like the one I posted earlier about him getting knocked on the head in the can.

Florio is being facetious about 3 gun toting thugs not getting noticed; it is quite possible for them to get in and out with no problem, if they're pros, and they did a bit of planning. However, he's also right that there will be some evidence, video or otherwise, left behind. Maybe not enough to identify the perps, but there should be some sign of three guys helping their woozy friend...

But this still gets back to the beating he took. Pros wouldn't mess him up like that, unless they were paid to give him a beatdown, as opposed to a simple robbery. So, then, who and why? Javon's been a lot of things, but has kept his nose clean. Someone mentioned Merriweather earlier - he's also kept his clean, but boxer's are boxer's :?

btw they have a poll at pft - 365 don't believe him, 56 do...

The dirty is not a real news source, though they have "broken" stories about athletes behaving badly...the leinart photos were from the dirty.

[Scott Campbell]

Getting sprayed with champagne isn't degrading.........


I guess I'll defer to the Sprayee Spokesmodel seeing that he's the self proclaimed subject matter expert once again. :bs:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Getting sprayed with champagne isn't degrading.........


I guess I'll defer to the Sprayee Spokesmodel seeing that he's the self proclaimed subject matter expert once again. :bs:

Perhaps you should read bobble's post where he essentially says the same thing. Depends on the club.

What part of the definition of 'degraded" did you find applicable.

Don't hurt yourself when you get off your high horse.

[Scott Campbell]

Don't hurt yourself when you get off your high horse.


LOL


I'm right down here in the gutter with you.

[Guiness]

Get over yourself scott.

Getting sprayed with champagne isn't degrading...some like it, some ask for it..depends on the club.

Might be a tool thing to do..but, the people being sprayed aren't being degraded.

1. reduced in rank, position, reputation, etc.: He felt degraded by the trivial tasks assigned to him.
2. reduced in quality or value; debased; vulgarized: the degraded level of the modern novel.

In the clubs, if you aren't in the VIP..you are already "degraded."

Well, I would think the definition could well apply here...depending on who you are. It matters if you think you are being degraded. Or to use a term more popular with pro athletes - disrespected.

If he sprayed Merriweather, he might consider himselft to have been reduced in rank and/or reputation.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Don't hurt yourself when you get off your high horse.


LOL


I'm right down here in the gutter with you.

Gettin sprayed with champagne?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Get over yourself scott.

Getting sprayed with champagne isn't degrading...some like it, some ask for it..depends on the club.

Might be a tool thing to do..but, the people being sprayed aren't being degraded.

1. reduced in rank, position, reputation, etc.: He felt degraded by the trivial tasks assigned to him.
2. reduced in quality or value; debased; vulgarized: the degraded level of the modern novel.

In the clubs, if you aren't in the VIP..you are already "degraded."

Well, I would think the definition could well apply here...depending on who you are. It matters if you think you are being degraded. Or to use a term more popular with pro athletes - disrespected.

If he sprayed Merriweather, he might consider himselft to have been reduced in rank and/or reputation.

Doubt "mayweather" was sprayed. Sounds more like a pissing contest.

Bobble are posted..in Tryst, this is common and people go their expecting/wanting it. It isn't my thing, but i acknowledge it.

Kinda like chicks that just wanna get with a star. Are they disrespected/degraded by that one night stand? It is their choice.

Like i said, let's wait and see what really happened. Just because Javon might have acted like a douche doesn't mean that he was beaten because of it. could be something completely different. Could be that someone just saw an opportunity to take some shit from a rich looking guy.

I've seen and met javon (talked for about 10 minutes)..he is out in the clubs in Sdale quite a bit. Honestly, he has always been quite nice and friendly. Not an ass, not a jerk, etc. Never had his posse step in..which he usually has some with..so vegas is strange.

Now, the person i've met doesn't mean i like how he operates on the field, and his petulance...but, as far as being a nice person..he is that.

[The Leaper]

Doubt "mayweather" was sprayed. Sounds more like a pissing contest.

So you are speculating.

You have no more idea what exactly happened than any of the rest of us...so most of your claims really hold no weight of any kind.

Let's wait and see what happened before we claim that no one was degraded, perpetrated, copulated, or Harlanated. No one knows at this point whether or not Walker's actions in the club contributed to his situation...because we don't know exactly who punked his ass at this point.

The bottom line is that Walker's immaturity in the club may have had nothing to do with this, or it might have had everything to do with this. At this point, we don't know. What we DO know is that Javon has previously acted immature with disasterous results. That doesn't mean this situation is the same, but it certainly gives people the right to speculate.

[Scott Campbell]

Let's wait and see what happened before we claim that no one was degraded, perpetrated, copulated, or Harlanated.


ROFL

Harlanated???

I don't know exactly what that is, but it sounds really, really bad.

[The Leaper]

Harlanated???

I have no idea what it means either, but I needed another -ed word and I figured this might help the thread move in a more positive direction.

[bobblehead]

without getting into all the other stuff in this thread, I would just say the story don't make much sense based on what i percieve. You can't take out a casinos surveillance with no amateur shit, it would take some preperation and solid knowledge. Also draggin an unconcious 6'4 dude through the casino, past the security by the rooms would be awfully fricking tough. You might get past them TO the rooms, but draggin someone the other way wouuld be tough.

Oh yea, and knowing what room Javon was in isn't public info either.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Doubt "mayweather" was sprayed. Sounds more like a pissing contest.

So you are speculating.

You have no more idea what exactly happened than any of the rest of us...so most of your claims really hold no weight of any kind.

Let's wait and see what happened before we claim that no one was degraded, perpetrated, copulated, or Harlanated. No one knows at this point whether or not Walker's actions in the club contributed to his situation...because we don't know exactly who punked his ass at this point.

The bottom line is that Walker's immaturity in the club may have had nothing to do with this, or it might have had everything to do with this. At this point, we don't know. What we DO know is that Javon has previously acted immature with disasterous results. That doesn't mean this situation is the same, but it certainly gives people the right to speculate.

I was basing my "pissing" contest off the news reports. Not my speculation.

Immature: Huh. Wrong. He was there, but had nothing to do with the situation. He wasn't spraying..that was Williams.

Speculate: Sure...just like you did with Taylor. And, we saw how that turned out.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

without getting into all the other stuff in this thread, I would just say the story don't make much sense based on what i percieve. You can't take out a casinos surveillance with no amateur shit, it would take some preperation and solid knowledge. Also draggin an unconcious 6'4 dude through the casino, past the security by the rooms would be awfully fricking tough. You might get past them TO the rooms, but draggin someone the other way wouuld be tough.

Oh yea, and knowing what room Javon was in isn't public info either.

I already explained how it happened once..guess one more time for the "slow" children.

I heard the assailiants employed a physics device, called “the pinch,” to help them avoid detection as they carried Walker from the room to the car. Set off in the middle of Las Vegas, the pinch detonates an intense “electromagnetic pulse” that blacks out the city’s power grid for a few moments. So you see, there will be no video evidence of this crime.

[Partial]

without getting into all the other stuff in this thread, I would just say the story don't make much sense based on what i percieve. You can't take out a casinos surveillance with no amateur shit, it would take some preperation and solid knowledge. Also draggin an unconcious 6'4 dude through the casino, past the security by the rooms would be awfully fricking tough. You might get past them TO the rooms, but draggin someone the other way wouuld be tough.

Oh yea, and knowing what room Javon was in isn't public info either.

I already explained how it happened once..guess one more time for the "slow" children.

I heard the assailiants employed a physics device, called “the pinch,” to help them avoid detection as they carried Walker from the room to the car. Set off in the middle of Las Vegas, the pinch detonates an intense “electromagnetic pulse” that blacks out the city’s power grid for a few moments. So you see, there will be no video evidence of this crime.

ok oceans eleven.

[mission]

NO one was being degraded.



Tyrone, you're being an arrogant pompous ass if you are now speaking on behalf of every one of those "sprayees" at that club. Don't you think you're a little full of yourself - even for you? I understand that you are hip to the Vegas club scene. Congratulations already - I am duly impressed. :bs:

im only a celebrity within about a 4.5 block atlanta radius, but if i ever, ever got sprayed by someone, they would end up getting a rageful, ive-been-trained-to-kill-with-my-hands look that would basically tell the moron who sprayed that an apology is needed accompanied by an explanation of its accidental nature.

if not (meaning he told me to get over it and fuck off, im javon walker, who are you?), the dude is going to get his ass beat. either in the club, if it's one that i have protection at, or outside where he's gonna get jumped.

i dont know what kind of gas ass clubs are found in "sdale" but people dont like getting sprayed where im from, are you kidding me? not when you have expensive watches on and one of a kind kicks and all of that ...

hoes like getting sprayed (can you complain when you're getting free blow?)... not anyone that *could* either beat the shit out of javon or have someone do it for him.

if you dont know this, then you're used to going to clubs where they still play "this is why im hot" and half the people there are 44 year old white men in groups, in town on business and only there because they asked a cabby "where are the women".

[Tyrone Bigguns]

without getting into all the other stuff in this thread, I would just say the story don't make much sense based on what i percieve. You can't take out a casinos surveillance with no amateur shit, it would take some preperation and solid knowledge. Also draggin an unconcious 6'4 dude through the casino, past the security by the rooms would be awfully fricking tough. You might get past them TO the rooms, but draggin someone the other way wouuld be tough.

Oh yea, and knowing what room Javon was in isn't public info either.

I already explained how it happened once..guess one more time for the "slow" children.

I heard the assailiants employed a physics device, called “the pinch,” to help them avoid detection as they carried Walker from the room to the car. Set off in the middle of Las Vegas, the pinch detonates an intense “electromagnetic pulse” that blacks out the city’s power grid for a few moments. So you see, there will be no video evidence of this crime.

ok oceans eleven.

Surely you arent' suggesting that it couldn't work. I saw it in the movies..it must be true.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

NO one was being degraded.



Tyrone, you're being an arrogant pompous ass if you are now speaking on behalf of every one of those "sprayees" at that club. Don't you think you're a little full of yourself - even for you? I understand that you are hip to the Vegas club scene. Congratulations already - I am duly impressed. :bs:

im only a celebrity within about a 4.5 block atlanta radius, but if i ever, ever got sprayed by someone, they would end up getting a rageful, ive-been-trained-to-kill-with-my-hands look that would basically tell the moron who sprayed that an apology is needed accompanied by an explanation of its accidental nature.

if not (meaning he told me to get over it and fuck off, im javon walker, who are you?), the dude is going to get his ass beat. either in the club, if it's one that i have protection at, or outside where he's gonna get jumped.

i dont know what kind of gas ass clubs are found in "sdale" but people dont like getting sprayed where im from, are you kidding me? not when you have expensive watches on and one of a kind kicks and all of that ...

hoes like getting sprayed (can you complain when you're getting free blow?)... not anyone that *could* either beat the shit out of javon or have someone do it for him.

if you dont know this, then you're used to going to clubs where they still play "this is why im hot" and half the people there are 44 year old white men in groups, in town on business and only there because they asked a cabby "where are the women".

Pay attention. You might learn something.

Never did i say anything about spraying and Sdale. I referred to Vegas.

Your point is for your ghetto ass clubs in ATL. In vegas, as bobble has said....at tryst it is FUCKING COMMON.

U wanna take it up with a resident of the city? Go ahead.

Clubs: Expensive watches..you mean that can't withstand liquids. Who are you kidding? LOL

Kicks...brother, you and i aren't even at the same level if you are wearing your dunks to the club. LOL You can't even walk into the clubs with "kicks" on. One of a kind kicks. LOL

Your Jacob the jewelry can't withstand some champagne?

Know this: Apparently you've never been to vegas either...cause, pretty much that is the scene. Who do you think goes to those clubs. White people. Of all ages. Who do you think has hundys to get you past the doorman..or a 1000 beans to get you a table..cause you aint' shit if don't have a table and bottle service at a club. And, my ghetto friend...i, nor most people who go to upscale clubs, listen to Nelly or whatever shit you listen to...hot or old.

[RashanGary]

I'd want to punch someone if they sprayed me with Champagne intentionally. I'll bet there was at least one person getting sprayed that wanted to smack him. Maybe one did. Then again, maybe someone saw him blowing tons of money and then saw him alone outside and robbed him. Who knows what exactly it was, but there as a lot of things that I would look in the mirror and take responsibility for if I were Javon. Why hold Javon to a lesser standard than I'd hold myself. I'd say "shit, I was an idiot, I'll never do that again". I'd be pissed at the guys who hit me but most of all I'd look in the mirror and fix what I could on my end. I'd realize the world is a crazy place adn I put myself in a bad situaiton. Is that so hard to comprehend, Tyrone? Javon already had something similar happen and he did not learn. At some point you have to grow up and keep yourslef out of those situations.

[MJZiggy]

When I was married, I had a decently large stone in my engagement ring (which now sits in a stupid bank vault). And there were places that I just felt the better idea was to take it off before leaving. Maybe I might not take it off before going to an upscale club, but I certainly wouldn't be found wandering around an alley with it.

Come to think of it, if I were wandering around in an alley by myself and got myself mugged (or targeted to be attacked), my mom would show up in my hospital room, tell me she loved me, was glad I was going to be ok and then call me an idiot and ask what the HELL I was thinking wandering in that area alone at night. I'm just saying. If I'm an idiot for doing that, why isn't he?

[The Leaper]

Immature: Huh. Wrong. He was there, but had nothing to do with the situation. He wasn't spraying..that was Williams.

Where is the evidence that Walker wasn't spraying champaign with Williams?

I haven't seen anything that specifically excludes Javon from that activity the night Williams died to support your claim. Now, I will admit I haven't seen anything that says Javon was spraying that night either. He may not have been...just wondering how you can say with certainty that Walker was not spraying Dom the night Williams died.

[bobblehead]

without getting into all the other stuff in this thread, I would just say the story don't make much sense based on what i percieve. You can't take out a casinos surveillance with no amateur shit, it would take some preperation and solid knowledge. Also draggin an unconcious 6'4 dude through the casino, past the security by the rooms would be awfully fricking tough. You might get past them TO the rooms, but draggin someone the other way wouuld be tough.

Oh yea, and knowing what room Javon was in isn't public info either.

I already explained how it happened once..guess one more time for the "slow" children.

I heard the assailiants employed a physics device, called “the pinch,” to help them avoid detection as they carried Walker from the room to the car. Set off in the middle of Las Vegas, the pinch detonates an intense “electromagnetic pulse” that blacks out the city’s power grid for a few moments. So you see, there will be no video evidence of this crime.

Ok, I'll start by admitting I know nothing about a "pinch" and have heard nothing about survellance being knocked out city wide, that should make major headlines here...but aside from that. (shouldn't my power have been knocked out or no? I can tell you I live 4 miles from bellagio and my power hasn't gone out in months.)

As you go to guest elevators to get to rooms at the Bellagio there is a door you must pass with a security guard positioned and you have to show a room key to get past. I suppose you could slip past .... possibly.... with a crowd, not likely though. Now, even if you did slip past, beating a man unconcious isn't as easy as it seems on TV and usually requires blood, but I will let that slide too. If you attempt to LEAVE the guest rooms good luck dragging an unconcious 6'4" black man past that same security guard.....especially if his radio is chattering about surveillance being down.

This story just doesn't jive. There is a reason guys where 100k in bling and carry gangster rolls here...cuz its pretty fucking safe. If he was unconcious in his room, I could buy it, but not the story he is giving now which is they came in his room, knocked him unconcious and he woke up sodomized in an alley I wouldn't let my wife walk in broad daylight.

[Iron Mike]

Javon who??? 8-)

[bobblehead]

I'll add one more thing that isn't common knowledge, but it will shed a bit of insight on casino surveillance. In the table games sections of modern major casinoes there are ohm variance detectors every 8 ft. I'll leave it to you to figure out why. Now, knowing that, do you really think the surveillance cameras are hooked up solely to the city power grid? I also know from experience that when power goes out in an area with a casino, the power in the casino pops back up within 20 seconds due to back up generators...not sure if the old pinch knocks those out too, but again, an electromagnetic pulse of that magnitude would certainly generate local headlines if not national.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

without getting into all the other stuff in this thread, I would just say the story don't make much sense based on what i percieve. You can't take out a casinos surveillance with no amateur shit, it would take some preperation and solid knowledge. Also draggin an unconcious 6'4 dude through the casino, past the security by the rooms would be awfully fricking tough. You might get past them TO the rooms, but draggin someone the other way wouuld be tough.

Oh yea, and knowing what room Javon was in isn't public info either.

I already explained how it happened once..guess one more time for the "slow" children.

I heard the assailiants employed a physics device, called “the pinch,” to help them avoid detection as they carried Walker from the room to the car. Set off in the middle of Las Vegas, the pinch detonates an intense “electromagnetic pulse” that blacks out the city’s power grid for a few moments. So you see, there will be no video evidence of this crime.

Ok, I'll start by admitting I know nothing about a "pinch" and have heard nothing about survellance being knocked out city wide, that should make major headlines here...but aside from that. (shouldn't my power have been knocked out or no? I can tell you I live 4 miles from bellagio and my power hasn't gone out in months.)

As you go to guest elevators to get to rooms at the Bellagio there is a door you must pass with a security guard positioned and you have to show a room key to get past. I suppose you could slip past .... possibly.... with a crowd, not likely though. Now, even if you did slip past, beating a man unconcious isn't as easy as it seems on TV and usually requires blood, but I will let that slide too. If you attempt to LEAVE the guest rooms good luck dragging an unconcious 6'4" black man past that same security guard.....especially if his radio is chattering about surveillance being down.

This story just doesn't jive. There is a reason guys where 100k in bling and carry gangster rolls here...cuz its pretty fucking safe. If he was unconcious in his room, I could buy it, but not the story he is giving now which is they came in his room, knocked him unconcious and he woke up sodo
mized in an alley I wouldn't let my wife walk in broad daylight.

Bobble,

It was a joke. It was the plot of Ocean's 11.

There is NO WAY that it could have happened the way Javon said. Fuck, the distance from the 'vators to the front door of the Bellagio is like a football field.

Not to mention..i assumng he was on one of the elite suite floors...how'd they get a key. Etc.

I would swear the Bellagio is bugged. Everytime i've been there and thought out loud about where to eat...some security guard approaches and mentions places.

[bobblehead]

sorry, based on your tone and "defense" of JWalk I thought you were serious...fatally stupid, but serious. I found it hard to believe you could believe that, but again, I guess I can't read your tone too well as this is the second time its happened. Now I feel silly for bothering to debunk that bunk.

[mission]

NO one was being degraded.



Tyrone, you're being an arrogant pompous ass if you are now speaking on behalf of every one of those "sprayees" at that club. Don't you think you're a little full of yourself - even for you? I understand that you are hip to the Vegas club scene. Congratulations already - I am duly impressed. :bs:

im only a celebrity within about a 4.5 block atlanta radius, but if i ever, ever got sprayed by someone, they would end up getting a rageful, ive-been-trained-to-kill-with-my-hands look that would basically tell the moron who sprayed that an apology is needed accompanied by an explanation of its accidental nature.

if not (meaning he told me to get over it and fuck off, im javon walker, who are you?), the dude is going to get his ass beat. either in the club, if it's one that i have protection at, or outside where he's gonna get jumped.

i dont know what kind of gas ass clubs are found in "sdale" but people dont like getting sprayed where im from, are you kidding me? not when you have expensive watches on and one of a kind kicks and all of that ...

hoes like getting sprayed (can you complain when you're getting free blow?)... not anyone that *could* either beat the shit out of javon or have someone do it for him.

if you dont know this, then you're used to going to clubs where they still play "this is why im hot" and half the people there are 44 year old white men in groups, in town on business and only there because they asked a cabby "where are the women".

Pay attention. You might learn something.

Never did i say anything about spraying and Sdale. I referred to Vegas.

Your point is for your ghetto ass clubs in ATL. In vegas, as bobble has said....at tryst it is FUCKING COMMON.

U wanna take it up with a resident of the city? Go ahead.

Clubs: Expensive watches..you mean that can't withstand liquids. Who are you kidding? LOL

Kicks...brother, you and i aren't even at the same level if you are wearing your dunks to the club. LOL You can't even walk into the clubs with "kicks" on. One of a kind kicks. LOL

Your Jacob the jewelry can't withstand some champagne?

Know this: Apparently you've never been to vegas either...cause, pretty much that is the scene. Who do you think goes to those clubs. White people. Of all ages. Who do you think has hundys to get you past the doorman..or a 1000 beans to get you a table..cause you aint' shit if don't have a table and bottle service at a club. And, my ghetto friend...i, nor most people who go to upscale clubs, listen to Nelly or whatever shit you listen to...hot or old.

Listen --

First, I don't do shit like Tryst... I go out when I have to. Dreams, Esso, Onyx... top clubs when there is a release or something ... I apologize if my wardrobe isn't centered around douchebag cokeville. I'm not Armenian, sorry...

Im the main producer for CTE (Jeezy, Blood Raw, Rocko, etc) ... I can walk into any club with AF-1 premiums on, a t-shirt and a suit coat (which I hate but the girls love). It's my "producer" style and to be honest ... it doesn't matter. We don't go in the front door so you're probably right. They won't let *you* in with *my* shoes on.

You don't know me, dont act like you do and dont act like you're above me. Because that's surely not the case.

The point isnt that my watch (Tag Heuer, no diamonds... and yes, I know 5k isn't *that* expensive for a watch) cant withstand water/liquids, it's that I don't feel like going out and getting shit on me ... period. From a respect/"spray that shit elsewhere" standpoint. Lowly assholes are the guys who look up after getting sprayed, realize where it came from and backtrack, giving a lame look like "oh thats ok!" ...

If you don't know that, surely you spend too much time on the dancefloor of your favorite clubs with your choch button up shirt on instead of in VIP where -- NEVER -- would I get sprayed with bub.

Do your homework bruh. I'm not here to win friends because of my day job and I try to keep that on the wraps but if you wanna call me out, then you're gonna look stupid.

Better get back in the kitchen and bring that soft back ... cuz you're talkin like you're hittin it.

The only point is that nobody worth anything is gonna stand for getting sprayed on unless they are part of the celebration. You can't argue that because you've never been close enough to see a reaction.

I dress low compared to most cats and I would be pissed... some of these guys are wearing 20k not counting jewelry. They aren't gonna be about what you're saying is so "commonplace" ... maybe for commonfolk.

Just drop it ... you aren't takin this anywhere.

EDIT -- and the fact that you've probably "danced" to a track Ive produced (Louis Bag, On For My City) makes me chuckle briefly inside. Only for a second, though... :wink:

[The Leaper]

I would swear the Bellagio is bugged. Everytime i've been there and thought out loud about where to eat...some security guard approaches and mentions places.

Ty...you are a homeless crackhead. I'm sure you look kind of hungry, and they probably are trying to keep you away from the well heeled guests. :D

[Tyrone Bigguns]

When I was married, I had a decently large stone in my engagement ring (which now sits in a stupid bank vault). And there were places that I just felt the better idea was to take it off before leaving. Maybe I might not take it off before going to an upscale club, but I certainly wouldn't be found wandering around an alley with it.

Come to think of it, if I were wandering around in an alley by myself and got myself mugged (or targeted to be attacked), my mom would show up in my hospital room, tell me she loved me, was glad I was going to be ok and then call me an idiot and ask what the HELL I was thinking wandering in that area alone at night. I'm just saying. If I'm an idiot for doing that, why isn't he?

Well, i always thought of you differently...never imagined you were a six three, 215 pound black man.

Live and learn.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

sorry, based on your tone and "defense" of JWalk I thought you were serious...fatally stupid, but serious. I found it hard to believe you could believe that, but again, I guess I can't read your tone too well as this is the second time its happened. Now I feel silly for bothering to debunk that bunk.

I thought it was blindingly obvious that someone in Vegas woulda recalled Ocean's 11...guess my english accent didn't come thru when referring to "pinch."

[3irty1]

NO one was being degraded.



Tyrone, you're being an arrogant pompous ass if you are now speaking on behalf of every one of those "sprayees" at that club. Don't you think you're a little full of yourself - even for you? I understand that you are hip to the Vegas club scene. Congratulations already - I am duly impressed. :bs:

im only a celebrity within about a 4.5 block atlanta radius, but if i ever, ever got sprayed by someone, they would end up getting a rageful, ive-been-trained-to-kill-with-my-hands look that would basically tell the moron who sprayed that an apology is needed accompanied by an explanation of its accidental nature.

if not (meaning he told me to get over it and fuck off, im javon walker, who are you?), the dude is going to get his ass beat. either in the club, if it's one that i have protection at, or outside where he's gonna get jumped.

i dont know what kind of gas ass clubs are found in "sdale" but people dont like getting sprayed where im from, are you kidding me? not when you have expensive watches on and one of a kind kicks and all of that ...

hoes like getting sprayed (can you complain when you're getting free blow?)... not anyone that *could* either beat the shit out of javon or have someone do it for him.

if you dont know this, then you're used to going to clubs where they still play "this is why im hot" and half the people there are 44 year old white men in groups, in town on business and only there because they asked a cabby "where are the women".

Pay attention. You might learn something.

Never did i say anything about spraying and Sdale. I referred to Vegas.

Your point is for your ghetto ass clubs in ATL. In vegas, as bobble has said....at tryst it is FUCKING COMMON.

U wanna take it up with a resident of the city? Go ahead.

Clubs: Expensive watches..you mean that can't withstand liquids. Who are you kidding? LOL

Kicks...brother, you and i aren't even at the same level if you are wearing your dunks to the club. LOL You can't even walk into the clubs with "kicks" on. One of a kind kicks. LOL

Your Jacob the jewelry can't withstand some champagne?

Know this: Apparently you've never been to vegas either...cause, pretty much that is the scene. Who do you think goes to those clubs. White people. Of all ages. Who do you think has hundys to get you past the doorman..or a 1000 beans to get you a table..cause you aint' shit if don't have a table and bottle service at a club. And, my ghetto friend...i, nor most people who go to upscale clubs, listen to Nelly or whatever shit you listen to...hot or old.

Listen --

First, I don't do shit like Tryst... I go out when I have to. Dreams, Esso, Onyx... top clubs when there is a release or something ... I apologize if my wardrobe isn't centered around douchebag cokeville. I'm not Armenian, sorry...

Im the main producer for CTE (Jeezy, Blood Raw, Rocko, etc) ... I can walk into any club with AF-1 premiums on, a t-shirt and a suit coat (which I hate but the girls love). It's my "producer" style and to be honest ... it doesn't matter. We don't go in the front door so you're probably right. They won't let *you* in with *my* shoes on.

You don't know me, dont act like you do and dont act like you're above me. Because that's surely not the case.

The point isnt that my watch (Tag Heuer, no diamonds... and yes, I know 5k isn't *that* expensive for a watch) cant withstand water/liquids, it's that I don't feel like going out and getting shit on me ... period. From a respect/"spray that shit elsewhere" standpoint. Lowly assholes are the guys who look up after getting sprayed, realize where it came from and backtrack, giving a lame look like "oh thats ok!" ...

If you don't know that, surely you spend too much time on the dancefloor of your favorite clubs with your choch button up shirt on instead of in VIP where -- NEVER -- would I get sprayed with bub.

Do your homework bruh. I'm not here to win friends because of my day job and I try to keep that on the wraps but if you wanna call me out, then you're gonna look stupid.

Better get back in the kitchen and bring that soft back ... cuz you're talkin like you're hittin it.

The only point is that nobody worth anything is gonna stand for getting sprayed on unless they are part of the celebration. You can't argue that because you've never been close enough to see a reaction.

I dress low compared to most cats and I would be pissed... some of these guys are wearing 20k not counting jewelry. They aren't gonna be about what you're saying is so "commonplace" ... maybe for commonfolk.

Just drop it ... you aren't takin this anywhere.

EDIT -- and the fact that you've probably "danced" to a track Ive produced (Louis Bag, On For My City) makes me chuckle briefly inside. Only for a second, though... :wink:

Amazing.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

NO one was being degraded.



Tyrone, you're being an arrogant pompous ass if you are now speaking on behalf of every one of those "sprayees" at that club. Don't you think you're a little full of yourself - even for you? I understand that you are hip to the Vegas club scene. Congratulations already - I am duly impressed. :bs:

im only a celebrity within about a 4.5 block atlanta radius, but if i ever, ever got sprayed by someone, they would end up getting a rageful, ive-been-trained-to-kill-with-my-hands look that would basically tell the moron who sprayed that an apology is needed accompanied by an explanation of its accidental nature.

if not (meaning he told me to get over it and fuck off, im javon walker, who are you?), the dude is going to get his ass beat. either in the club, if it's one that i have protection at, or outside where he's gonna get jumped.

i dont know what kind of gas ass clubs are found in "sdale" but people dont like getting sprayed where im from, are you kidding me? not when you have expensive watches on and one of a kind kicks and all of that ...

hoes like getting sprayed (can you complain when you're getting free blow?)... not anyone that *could* either beat the shit out of javon or have someone do it for him.

if you dont know this, then you're used to going to clubs where they still play "this is why im hot" and half the people there are 44 year old white men in groups, in town on business and only there because they asked a cabby "where are the women".

Pay attention. You might learn something.

Never did i say anything about spraying and Sdale. I referred to Vegas.

Your point is for your ghetto ass clubs in ATL. In vegas, as bobble has said....at tryst it is FUCKING COMMON.

U wanna take it up with a resident of the city? Go ahead.

Clubs: Expensive watches..you mean that can't withstand liquids. Who are you kidding? LOL

Kicks...brother, you and i aren't even at the same level if you are wearing your dunks to the club. LOL You can't even walk into the clubs with "kicks" on. One of a kind kicks. LOL

Your Jacob the jewelry can't withstand some champagne?

Know this: Apparently you've never been to vegas either...cause, pretty much that is the scene. Who do you think goes to those clubs. White people. Of all ages. Who do you think has hundys to get you past the doorman..or a 1000 beans to get you a table..cause you aint' shit if don't have a table and bottle service at a club. And, my ghetto friend...i, nor most people who go to upscale clubs, listen to Nelly or whatever shit you listen to...hot or old.

Listen --

First, I don't do shit like Tryst... I go out when I have to. Dreams, Esso, Onyx... top clubs when there is a release or something ... I apologize if my wardrobe isn't centered around douchebag cokeville. I'm not Armenian, sorry...

Im the main producer for CTE (Jeezy, Blood Raw, Rocko, etc) ... I can walk into any club with AF-1 premiums on, a t-shirt and a suit coat (which I hate but the girls love). It's my "producer" style and to be honest ... it doesn't matter. We don't go in the front door so you're probably right. They won't let *you* in with *my* shoes on.

You don't know me, dont act like you do and dont act like you're above me. Because that's surely not the case.

The point isnt that my watch (Tag Heuer, no diamonds... and yes, I know 5k isn't *that* expensive for a watch) cant withstand water/liquids, it's that I don't feel like going out and getting shit on me ... period. From a respect/"spray that shit elsewhere" standpoint. Lowly assholes are the guys who look up after getting sprayed, realize where it came from and backtrack, giving a lame look like "oh thats ok!" ...

If you don't know that, surely you spend too much time on the dancefloor of your favorite clubs with your choch button up shirt on instead of in VIP where -- NEVER -- would I get sprayed with bub.

Do your homework bruh. I'm not here to win friends because of my day job and I try to keep that on the wraps but if you wanna call me out, then you're gonna look stupid.

Better get back in the kitchen and bring that soft back ... cuz you're talkin like you're hittin it.

The only point is that nobody worth anything is gonna stand for getting sprayed on unless they are part of the celebration. You can't argue that because you've never been close enough to see a reaction.

I dress low compared to most cats and I would be pissed... some of these guys are wearing 20k not counting jewelry. They aren't gonna be about what you're saying is so "commonplace" ... maybe for commonfolk.

Just drop it ... you aren't takin this anywhere.

EDIT -- and the fact that you've probably "danced" to a track Ive produced (Louis Bag, On For My City) makes me chuckle briefly inside. Only for a second, though... :wink:

LOL.

YOu are comparing your lame ass clubs in ATL to Vegas. That is rich. BTW, it is E.S.S.O...lol.

Has nothing to do with Armenian, brother. But, go ahead with your stupidity. The vegas clubs ain't lettin in a baller with kicks, baggy jeans, etc. I don't care how fly your gear is. If you think all white people dress alike..well, there is really little i can do for you.

And, if you don't want people thinkin they know you..try doing the same towards them...perhaps you should review your post..as you talked quite a bit about my lifestyle.

First, then why are you talking about gettin sprayed if you are in VIP. That is where the spray comes from.

One minute you are down on the floor in your "kicks" gettin pissed, now you are up in VIP where it would never happen. LOL

I said commonplace for TRYST..you fucking maroon. Try reading and reading Bobble's post...he only lives there. Guess you know more than both of us..as you've been hanging at Onyx.



Back in the kitchen? What are you talking about..your mom's is back there..and she better have the biscuits ready.

Danced: Doubtful..as that ain't my shit. I'm at good clubs, playing good music. Remind me when Tiesto spun those wack joints. I don't recall Justice, SMB, LCD releasing them.

Hey, i nice pic of you at dreamz. Suhweet jacket buster.
http://www.holla.tv/files/gallerix/albums/1/490/frame/Life%20Cycle%20Dynamics%20066.jpg

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I would swear the Bellagio is bugged. Everytime i've been there and thought out loud about where to eat...some security guard approaches and mentions places.

Ty...you are a homeless crackhead. I'm sure you look kind of hungry, and they probably are trying to keep you away from the well heeled guests. :D

that would accont for them steering me to the dumpster. You can't believe what Le Cirque tosses!!

[SkinBasket]

The douchebaggery being tossed about in this thread is exactly why I have no interest in clubs.

I know different strokes for different folks, metrosexual is the new homosexual and all, but jesus fucking christ with the material girl acts already. Then again, maybe I'm just jealous I can't walk around dressed like Ryan Seacrest without feeling like someone should punch me in the balls.

[Zool]

The douchebaggery being tossed about in this thread is exactly why I have no interest in clubs.

I know different strokes for different folks, metrosexual is the new homosexual and all, but jesus fucking christ with the material girl acts already. Then again, maybe I'm just jealous I can't walk around dressed like Ryan Seacrest without feeling like someone should punch me in the balls.

From the descriptions of you, I thought you were Seacrest?

[SkinBasket]

The douchebaggery being tossed about in this thread is exactly why I have no interest in clubs.

I know different strokes for different folks, metrosexual is the new homosexual and all, but jesus fucking christ with the material girl acts already. Then again, maybe I'm just jealous I can't walk around dressed like Ryan Seacrest without feeling like someone should punch me in the balls.

From the descriptions of you, I thought you were Seacrest?

It's the fabulous hair.

[Deputy Nutz]

The douchebaggery being tossed about in this thread is exactly why I have no interest in clubs.

I know different strokes for different folks, metrosexual is the new homosexual and all, but jesus fucking christ with the material girl acts already. Then again, maybe I'm just jealous I can't walk around dressed like Ryan Seacrest without feeling like someone should punch me in the balls.

From the descriptions of you, I thought you were Seacrest?

It's the fabulous hair.

What, the hair on your balls maybe.

[SkinBasket]

The douchebaggery being tossed about in this thread is exactly why I have no interest in clubs.

I know different strokes for different folks, metrosexual is the new homosexual and all, but jesus fucking christ with the material girl acts already. Then again, maybe I'm just jealous I can't walk around dressed like Ryan Seacrest without feeling like someone should punch me in the balls.

From the descriptions of you, I thought you were Seacrest?

It's the fabulous hair.

What, the hair on your balls maybe.

Fuck yourself. I'd like to see you cut my hair any better than I do.

And I don't have hair on my balls. It makes them overheat. I have high performance balls. They need lots of lotion and expensive watches. Looking into getting them vented and painted with some of that two-tone paint like Glenn Robinson had on his Impala.

[Zool]

The douchebaggery being tossed about in this thread is exactly why I have no interest in clubs.

I know different strokes for different folks, metrosexual is the new homosexual and all, but jesus fucking christ with the material girl acts already. Then again, maybe I'm just jealous I can't walk around dressed like Ryan Seacrest without feeling like someone should punch me in the balls.

From the descriptions of you, I thought you were Seacrest?

It's the fabulous hair.

What, the hair on your balls maybe.

Fuck yourself. I'd like to see you cut my hair any better than I do.

And I don't have hair on my balls. It makes them overheat. I have high performance balls. They need lots of lotion and expensive watches. Looking into getting them vented and painted with some of that two-tone paint like Glenn Robinson had on his Impala.

I had a pair of down firing 15" subs and some neon lights installed on my sack the other day.

[Freak Out]

This is the direction this lame thread needed to go...sack-mods.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The douchebaggery being tossed about in this thread is exactly why I have no interest in clubs.

I know different strokes for different folks, metrosexual is the new homosexual and all, but jesus fucking christ with the material girl acts already. Then again, maybe I'm just jealous I can't walk around dressed like Ryan Seacrest without feeling like someone should punch me in the balls.

Don't be jealous that we are hanging in VIP with Kfed, brody jenner, and LC from the hills.

It is a fabulous life. :roll:

[mission]

NO one was being degraded.



Tyrone, you're being an arrogant pompous ass if you are now speaking on behalf of every one of those "sprayees" at that club. Don't you think you're a little full of yourself - even for you? I understand that you are hip to the Vegas club scene. Congratulations already - I am duly impressed. :bs:

im only a celebrity within about a 4.5 block atlanta radius, but if i ever, ever got sprayed by someone, they would end up getting a rageful, ive-been-trained-to-kill-with-my-hands look that would basically tell the moron who sprayed that an apology is needed accompanied by an explanation of its accidental nature.

if not (meaning he told me to get over it and fuck off, im javon walker, who are you?), the dude is going to get his ass beat. either in the club, if it's one that i have protection at, or outside where he's gonna get jumped.

i dont know what kind of gas ass clubs are found in "sdale" but people dont like getting sprayed where im from, are you kidding me? not when you have expensive watches on and one of a kind kicks and all of that ...

hoes like getting sprayed (can you complain when you're getting free blow?)... not anyone that *could* either beat the shit out of javon or have someone do it for him.

if you dont know this, then you're used to going to clubs where they still play "this is why im hot" and half the people there are 44 year old white men in groups, in town on business and only there because they asked a cabby "where are the women".

Pay attention. You might learn something.

Never did i say anything about spraying and Sdale. I referred to Vegas.

Your point is for your ghetto ass clubs in ATL. In vegas, as bobble has said....at tryst it is FUCKING COMMON.

U wanna take it up with a resident of the city? Go ahead.

Clubs: Expensive watches..you mean that can't withstand liquids. Who are you kidding? LOL

Kicks...brother, you and i aren't even at the same level if you are wearing your dunks to the club. LOL You can't even walk into the clubs with "kicks" on. One of a kind kicks. LOL

Your Jacob the jewelry can't withstand some champagne?

Know this: Apparently you've never been to vegas either...cause, pretty much that is the scene. Who do you think goes to those clubs. White people. Of all ages. Who do you think has hundys to get you past the doorman..or a 1000 beans to get you a table..cause you aint' shit if don't have a table and bottle service at a club. And, my ghetto friend...i, nor most people who go to upscale clubs, listen to Nelly or whatever shit you listen to...hot or old.

Listen --

First, I don't do shit like Tryst... I go out when I have to. Dreams, Esso, Onyx... top clubs when there is a release or something ... I apologize if my wardrobe isn't centered around douchebag cokeville. I'm not Armenian, sorry...

Im the main producer for CTE (Jeezy, Blood Raw, Rocko, etc) ... I can walk into any club with AF-1 premiums on, a t-shirt and a suit coat (which I hate but the girls love). It's my "producer" style and to be honest ... it doesn't matter. We don't go in the front door so you're probably right. They won't let *you* in with *my* shoes on.

You don't know me, dont act like you do and dont act like you're above me. Because that's surely not the case.

The point isnt that my watch (Tag Heuer, no diamonds... and yes, I know 5k isn't *that* expensive for a watch) cant withstand water/liquids, it's that I don't feel like going out and getting shit on me ... period. From a respect/"spray that shit elsewhere" standpoint. Lowly assholes are the guys who look up after getting sprayed, realize where it came from and backtrack, giving a lame look like "oh thats ok!" ...

If you don't know that, surely you spend too much time on the dancefloor of your favorite clubs with your choch button up shirt on instead of in VIP where -- NEVER -- would I get sprayed with bub.

Do your homework bruh. I'm not here to win friends because of my day job and I try to keep that on the wraps but if you wanna call me out, then you're gonna look stupid.

Better get back in the kitchen and bring that soft back ... cuz you're talkin like you're hittin it.

The only point is that nobody worth anything is gonna stand for getting sprayed on unless they are part of the celebration. You can't argue that because you've never been close enough to see a reaction.

I dress low compared to most cats and I would be pissed... some of these guys are wearing 20k not counting jewelry. They aren't gonna be about what you're saying is so "commonplace" ... maybe for commonfolk.

Just drop it ... you aren't takin this anywhere.

EDIT -- and the fact that you've probably "danced" to a track Ive produced (Louis Bag, On For My City) makes me chuckle briefly inside. Only for a second, though... :wink:

LOL.

YOu are comparing your lame ass clubs in ATL to Vegas. That is rich. BTW, it is E.S.S.O...lol.

Has nothing to do with Armenian, brother. But, go ahead with your stupidity. The vegas clubs ain't lettin in a baller with kicks, baggy jeans, etc. I don't care how fly your gear is. If you think all white people dress alike..well, there is really little i can do for you.

And, if you don't want people thinkin they know you..try doing the same towards them...perhaps you should review your post..as you talked quite a bit about my lifestyle.

First, then why are you talking about gettin sprayed if you are in VIP. That is where the spray comes from.

One minute you are down on the floor in your "kicks" gettin pissed, now you are up in VIP where it would never happen. LOL

I said commonplace for TRYST..you fucking maroon. Try reading and reading Bobble's post...he only lives there. Guess you know more than both of us..as you've been hanging at Onyx.



Back in the kitchen? What are you talking about..your mom's is back there..and she better have the biscuits ready.

Danced: Doubtful..as that ain't my shit. I'm at good clubs, playing good music. Remind me when Tiesto spun those wack joints. I don't recall Justice, SMB, LCD releasing them.

Hey, i nice pic of you at dreamz. Suhweet jacket buster.
http://www.holla.tv/files/gallerix/albums/1/490/frame/Life%20Cycle%20Dynamics%20066.jpg

so you *are* armenian? lol

you missed the point that i dont go to "clubs" ... i go to album release shit if it's "urged" for me to go against any and all interest of my own. those are usually at the spots i listed. i know there are much more boujee spots for me to frequent and ill make sure to hit you up for advice (since you have a NLCF6YM* Membership Card) come the rare occassion i need to try and act cool to an out of towner and "show them a good time".

since you know so much about atlanta, you know about MJQ. i had a great time there last night ... that's more my thing. weird chicks with insecurities and lots of different races. $5 cover, $2 PBR and $4 straight Jack Daniels. Not Oban 12, you notice, and I couldn't find the VIP room lol ;-). im from milwaukee, you know... didn't see any armenians there last night either... no button up shirts and definitely no gold chains and hairy chests with too much aqua di gio ... did notice a couple RUN DMC style throwback ropes tho. i kinda want one.




oh, and -- who the fuck still goes out dancing?




* National Lame Clubs For "$60K a Year Millionaires"




EDIT - funny. i just noticed my boy Ali in the background of that pic. he used to work for me awhile back ... good guy, strong family ties. iranian though. shame.

[SkinBasket]

This is the direction this lame thread needed to go...sack-mods.

It has turned into one of the strangest pseudo penis lashing contests we've seen in a while. Two doods arguing about who has better jewelry and shoes while trying to fumigate the thread with as much hip lingo as possible. It's all very... I don't even fucking know what it is, but it is weird.

Not as weird as thinking about how Zool must be powering his neon ball sack kit, but weird nonetheless.

[SkinBasket]

I'm also not sure if mission is the black guy or the racially ambiguous fellow next to him.

[mission]

This is the direction this lame thread needed to go...sack-mods.

It has turned into one of the strangest pseudo penis lashing contests we've seen in a while. Two doods arguing about who has better jewelry and shoes while trying to fumigate the thread with as much hip lingo as possible. It's all very... I don't even fucking know what it is, but it is weird.

Not as weird as thinking about how Zool must be powering his neon ball sack kit, but weird nonetheless.

not that i would expect you to read all that crap but thats definitely not what we're arguing about...

im a musician stoner/skater dude who only has nice shit out of necessity for certain settings. i have a huge collection of pretty average t-shirts though (they all fit me). my profession just places me in crackie's world sometimes.

crackie bigguns IS a pimp, is the biggest baller and knows all the bouncers at every exclusive club in the country.

i drink cheap beer and hit on chicks whose hair looks like they just got out of bed.

oh -- and i live in a big warehouse in the hood and sleep on the couch in my own place.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

NO one was being degraded.



Tyrone, you're being an arrogant pompous ass if you are now speaking on behalf of every one of those "sprayees" at that club. Don't you think you're a little full of yourself - even for you? I understand that you are hip to the Vegas club scene. Congratulations already - I am duly impressed. :bs:

im only a celebrity within about a 4.5 block atlanta radius, but if i ever, ever got sprayed by someone, they would end up getting a rageful, ive-been-trained-to-kill-with-my-hands look that would basically tell the moron who sprayed that an apology is needed accompanied by an explanation of its accidental nature.

if not (meaning he told me to get over it and fuck off, im javon walker, who are you?), the dude is going to get his ass beat. either in the club, if it's one that i have protection at, or outside where he's gonna get jumped.

i dont know what kind of gas ass clubs are found in "sdale" but people dont like getting sprayed where im from, are you kidding me? not when you have expensive watches on and one of a kind kicks and all of that ...

hoes like getting sprayed (can you complain when you're getting free blow?)... not anyone that *could* either beat the shit out of javon or have someone do it for him.

if you dont know this, then you're used to going to clubs where they still play "this is why im hot" and half the people there are 44 year old white men in groups, in town on business and only there because they asked a cabby "where are the women".

Pay attention. You might learn something.

Never did i say anything about spraying and Sdale. I referred to Vegas.

Your point is for your ghetto ass clubs in ATL. In vegas, as bobble has said....at tryst it is FUCKING COMMON.

U wanna take it up with a resident of the city? Go ahead.

Clubs: Expensive watches..you mean that can't withstand liquids. Who are you kidding? LOL

Kicks...brother, you and i aren't even at the same level if you are wearing your dunks to the club. LOL You can't even walk into the clubs with "kicks" on. One of a kind kicks. LOL

Your Jacob the jewelry can't withstand some champagne?

Know this: Apparently you've never been to vegas either...cause, pretty much that is the scene. Who do you think goes to those clubs. White people. Of all ages. Who do you think has hundys to get you past the doorman..or a 1000 beans to get you a table..cause you aint' shit if don't have a table and bottle service at a club. And, my ghetto friend...i, nor most people who go to upscale clubs, listen to Nelly or whatever shit you listen to...hot or old.

Listen --

First, I don't do shit like Tryst... I go out when I have to. Dreams, Esso, Onyx... top clubs when there is a release or something ... I apologize if my wardrobe isn't centered around douchebag cokeville. I'm not Armenian, sorry...

Im the main producer for CTE (Jeezy, Blood Raw, Rocko, etc) ... I can walk into any club with AF-1 premiums on, a t-shirt and a suit coat (which I hate but the girls love). It's my "producer" style and to be honest ... it doesn't matter. We don't go in the front door so you're probably right. They won't let *you* in with *my* shoes on.

You don't know me, dont act like you do and dont act like you're above me. Because that's surely not the case.

The point isnt that my watch (Tag Heuer, no diamonds... and yes, I know 5k isn't *that* expensive for a watch) cant withstand water/liquids, it's that I don't feel like going out and getting shit on me ... period. From a respect/"spray that shit elsewhere" standpoint. Lowly assholes are the guys who look up after getting sprayed, realize where it came from and backtrack, giving a lame look like "oh thats ok!" ...

If you don't know that, surely you spend too much time on the dancefloor of your favorite clubs with your choch button up shirt on instead of in VIP where -- NEVER -- would I get sprayed with bub.

Do your homework bruh. I'm not here to win friends because of my day job and I try to keep that on the wraps but if you wanna call me out, then you're gonna look stupid.

Better get back in the kitchen and bring that soft back ... cuz you're talkin like you're hittin it.

The only point is that nobody worth anything is gonna stand for getting sprayed on unless they are part of the celebration. You can't argue that because you've never been close enough to see a reaction.

I dress low compared to most cats and I would be pissed... some of these guys are wearing 20k not counting jewelry. They aren't gonna be about what you're saying is so "commonplace" ... maybe for commonfolk.

Just drop it ... you aren't takin this anywhere.

EDIT -- and the fact that you've probably "danced" to a track Ive produced (Louis Bag, On For My City) makes me chuckle briefly inside. Only for a second, though... :wink:

LOL.

YOu are comparing your lame ass clubs in ATL to Vegas. That is rich. BTW, it is E.S.S.O...lol.

Has nothing to do with Armenian, brother. But, go ahead with your stupidity. The vegas clubs ain't lettin in a baller with kicks, baggy jeans, etc. I don't care how fly your gear is. If you think all white people dress alike..well, there is really little i can do for you.

And, if you don't want people thinkin they know you..try doing the same towards them...perhaps you should review your post..as you talked quite a bit about my lifestyle.

First, then why are you talking about gettin sprayed if you are in VIP. That is where the spray comes from.

One minute you are down on the floor in your "kicks" gettin pissed, now you are up in VIP where it would never happen. LOL

I said commonplace for TRYST..you fucking maroon. Try reading and reading Bobble's post...he only lives there. Guess you know more than both of us..as you've been hanging at Onyx.



Back in the kitchen? What are you talking about..your mom's is back there..and she better have the biscuits ready.

Danced: Doubtful..as that ain't my shit. I'm at good clubs, playing good music. Remind me when Tiesto spun those wack joints. I don't recall Justice, SMB, LCD releasing them.

Hey, i nice pic of you at dreamz. Suhweet jacket buster.
http://www.holla.tv/files/gallerix/albums/1/490/frame/Life%20Cycle%20Dynamics%20066.jpg

so you *are* armenian? lol

you missed the point that i dont go to "clubs" ... i go to album release shit if it's "urged" for me to go against any and all interest of my own. those are usually at the spots i listed. i know there are much more boujee spots for me to frequent and ill make sure to hit you up for advice (since you have a NLCF6YM* Membership Card) come the rare occassion i need to try and act cool to an out of towner and "show them a good time".

since you know so much about atlanta, you know about MJQ. i had a great time there last night ... that's more my thing. weird chicks with insecurities and lots of different races. $5 cover, $2 PBR and $4 straight Jack Daniels. Not Oban 12, you notice, and I couldn't find the VIP room lol ;-). im from milwaukee, you know... didn't see any armenians there last night either... no button up shirts and definitely no gold chains and hairy chests with too much aqua di gio ... did notice a couple RUN DMC style throwback ropes tho. i kinda want one.




oh, and -- who the fuck still goes out dancing?




* National Lame Clubs For "$60K a Year Millionaires"




EDIT - funny. i just noticed my boy Ali in the background of that pic. he used to work for me awhile back ... good guy, strong family ties. iranian though. shame.

Armenian. Are you kidding me. I'm Tyrone Bigguns...black as night...or at least that is my deep cover. But, rest assured, i'm not armenian. I'm Armanian.

What you got against hairy chests? Sign of intelligence. Look it up, bustah.

Member of NLCF6YM. Definitely. 60k millis love your beats. I plan on renting a few.

MJQ: YOu pay a cover. that is how you roll? thought you were the man..sliding in the back door to avoid payin. Lame. If i go, will i find your cartoon on the wall? PBR...nothing says poseur like drinking PBR. What ATL thinks they are williamsburg? Emory students pretending they are working class...oh, lord. Mite have to revoke your ghetto pass.

Dancing: Who goes..those can dance...or those whose baby likes dancin.

Can't stay home and smoke a blunt and play wii every nite.

[GrnBay007]

crackie bigguns
:lol: :lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

This is the direction this lame thread needed to go...sack-mods.

It has turned into one of the strangest pseudo penis lashing contests we've seen in a while. Two doods arguing about who has better jewelry and shoes while trying to fumigate the thread with as much hip lingo as possible. It's all very... I don't even fucking know what it is, but it is weird.

Not as weird as thinking about how Zool must be powering his neon ball sack kit, but weird nonetheless.

not that i would expect you to read all that crap but thats definitely not what we're arguing about...

im a musician stoner/skater dude who only has nice shit out of necessity for certain settings. i have a huge collection of pretty average t-shirts though (they all fit me). my profession just places me in crackie's world sometimes.

crackie bigguns IS a pimp, is the biggest baller and knows all the bouncers at every exclusive club in the country.

i drink cheap beer and hit on chicks whose hair looks like they just got out of bed.

oh -- and i live in a big warehouse in the hood and sleep on the couch in my own place.

What r u talkin about? You slide into VIP and never pay cover. Your words not mine. Wit yer kicks on...one of kind...maybe some fresh dunks (check out the new colorways), maybe some sick creative reaction...i don't see you in Swears, Common Projects, etc...and a large selection of Supreme tees...maybe some Bathing Ape, Nom de guerre, and god knows how many "fresh" hoodies...W)taps,10deep, Stussy, etc.

When did i ever imply i know any bouncers? Fuk bouncers...biggest jagoffs on the planet. I pay like everybody else. Hence my knowledge that it takes dollahs to the bouncer to get past the line and into the club..on top of the cover.

Crackie's world? Huh. I've been to vegas..for work. MAGIC, POOL, etc...yeah, maybe you are wearin some of my Tees or my friends. So, i've been to the clubs...not my scene whatsover..but, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.

IF i have my way..i'm playin holdem straight thru the night...but, for some reason..the ladies dont' find that fun.

As for Sdale..again, sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do..some chicks aren't cool with GLAM or The Rogue.

But, we'll see about the new one...in the words of the dandies...I got a beautiful new Asian girlfriend.

Yellow Fevah!!

[mission]

lets try this one last time --

when i go to those "cool" places, im with label people and all that. im just there cuz i have to be, i made a record on the album or whatnot. its fun to play "dress up" every now and then and take advantage of freebies (i dont drive a lamb yet, yanno?)

when i go to MJQ, no one knows me and i usually go with my "real friends" who knew me before i was "really cool" ... back when we used to have to scrape pipes for resin when the sack was gone. you know, those kinda old friends. plus the emory girls are so easy... you should know!

i drink PBR and jack cuz it gets me drunk and it's cheap... i dont get hangovers so the quality of beer isnt an issue when im out. the fridge here has some blue moon, rogue dead man and mountain dews... nothing fancy but nothing repulsive. might be some bacon in there too.

i dont have a wii either... or a TV.

just four macs and a lot of toys with keys on them... im a hood nerd like that.

im with you on the poker though... that "tire factory" on gibson, right behind the metropolitan art lofts (west end marta station) has a $300 game two nights a week. three search entry points, mahagony walls, flat screens every where, a real bar, scantily clad waitresses and great comp food.

hit me up when you're in town, ill try to find out what nights they do the $1500 buy-ins for you. i dont know anything about those nights but maybe you can float me a lil somethin and ill hop in with you... just bring one of your shirts for me to wear so i can fit in.

:P

[Freak Out]

This is the direction this lame thread needed to go...sack-mods.

It has turned into one of the strangest pseudo penis lashing contests we've seen in a while. Two doods arguing about who has better jewelry and shoes while trying to fumigate the thread with as much hip lingo as possible. It's all very... I don't even fucking know what it is, but it is weird.

Not as weird as thinking about how Zool must be powering his neon ball sack kit, but weird nonetheless.

not that i would expect you to read all that crap but thats definitely not what we're arguing about...

im a musician stoner/skater dude who only has nice shit out of necessity for certain settings. i have a huge collection of pretty average t-shirts though (they all fit me). my profession just places me in crackie's world sometimes.

crackie bigguns IS a pimp, is the biggest baller and knows all the bouncers at every exclusive club in the country.

i drink cheap beer and hit on chicks whose hair looks like they just got out of bed.

oh -- and i live in a big warehouse in the hood and sleep on the couch in my own place.

Don't forget "Packer fan" dude.

[MJZiggy]

Meh. I just figure they're both compensating...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Meh. I just figure they're both compensating...

I would gladly show you my "inadequacy."

[Tyrone Bigguns]

lets try this one last time --

when i go to those "cool" places, im with label people and all that. im just there cuz i have to be, i made a record on the album or whatnot. its fun to play "dress up" every now and then and take advantage of freebies (i dont drive a lamb yet, yanno?)

when i go to MJQ, no one knows me and i usually go with my "real friends" who knew me before i was "really cool" ... back when we used to have to scrape pipes for resin when the sack was gone. you know, those kinda old friends. plus the emory girls are so easy... you should know!

i drink PBR and jack cuz it gets me drunk and it's cheap... i dont get hangovers so the quality of beer isnt an issue when im out. the fridge here has some blue moon, rogue dead man and mountain dews... nothing fancy but nothing repulsive. might be some bacon in there too.

i dont have a wii either... or a TV.

just four macs and a lot of toys with keys on them... im a hood nerd like that.

im with you on the poker though... that "tire factory" on gibson, right behind the metropolitan art lofts (west end marta station) has a $300 game two nights a week. three search entry points, mahagony walls, flat screens every where, a real bar, scantily clad waitresses and great comp food.

hit me up when you're in town, ill try to find out what nights they do the $1500 buy-ins for you. i dont know anything about those nights but maybe you can float me a lil somethin and ill hop in with you... just bring one of your shirts for me to wear so i can fit in.

:P

Of course you dont' rock the lambo or bentley...ya gotta stop renting beats, my brotha...you don't devalue your merch like that.

PBR: The point isn't that you drink it..it is that they run a special on it..so, the emory kids can feel down wit the lower classes. Talkin bout how hard it was workin that summer job at the country club.

TV: I was talkin bout me...it is always about me!!

Poker: i'm down wit dat. Don't think i can float you tho. How can i trust some pot smokin skater to pay me back...not when he is renting beats. Don't think you can make the juice.

P.S. I don't know ATL as well as i use to...just useta be up there for some biz...with MCI, etc. I'm to old to be hangin with you youngtahs...i'll just head ovah to the varsity.

[mission]

What r u talkin about? You slide into VIP and never pay cover. Your words not mine. Wit yer kicks on...one of kind...maybe some fresh dunks (check out the new colorways), maybe some sick creative reaction...i don't see you in Swears, Common Projects, etc...and a large selection of Supreme tees...maybe some Bathing Ape, Nom de guerre, and god knows how many "fresh" hoodies...W)taps,10deep, Stussy, etc.

i might wear that shit if i was trying to be globally trendy and obnoxiously douche...

try Sol Munki or Plush .357 ... I support the people that support me. Only.

sittin around, downstairs in the shop ... i like having the big garage door open -- i pretty much BBQ all day ... cant argue with the London Supremes right there (even seen em?). If you want, I can model all four colorways for ya ;-)

sorry about the diesel jeans... i didnt feel like changing to avoid your fashion police violations




http://a284.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/64/l_accfba0528173d4061f3fb94170a7e9b.jpg

dunks are really gay btw ... maybe if i was emo and had skin tight jeans.

[mission]

lets try this one last time --

when i go to those "cool" places, im with label people and all that. im just there cuz i have to be, i made a record on the album or whatnot. its fun to play "dress up" every now and then and take advantage of freebies (i dont drive a lamb yet, yanno?)

when i go to MJQ, no one knows me and i usually go with my "real friends" who knew me before i was "really cool" ... back when we used to have to scrape pipes for resin when the sack was gone. you know, those kinda old friends. plus the emory girls are so easy... you should know!

i drink PBR and jack cuz it gets me drunk and it's cheap... i dont get hangovers so the quality of beer isnt an issue when im out. the fridge here has some blue moon, rogue dead man and mountain dews... nothing fancy but nothing repulsive. might be some bacon in there too.

i dont have a wii either... or a TV.

just four macs and a lot of toys with keys on them... im a hood nerd like that.

im with you on the poker though... that "tire factory" on gibson, right behind the metropolitan art lofts (west end marta station) has a $300 game two nights a week. three search entry points, mahagony walls, flat screens every where, a real bar, scantily clad waitresses and great comp food.

hit me up when you're in town, ill try to find out what nights they do the $1500 buy-ins for you. i dont know anything about those nights but maybe you can float me a lil somethin and ill hop in with you... just bring one of your shirts for me to wear so i can fit in.

:P

Of course you dont' rock the lambo or bentley...ya gotta stop renting beats, my brotha...you don't devalue your merch like that.

PBR: The point isn't that you drink it..it is that they run a special on it..so, the emory kids can feel down wit the lower classes. Talkin bout how hard it was workin that summer job at the country club.

TV: I was talkin bout me...it is always about me!!

Poker: i'm down wit dat. Don't think i can float you tho. How can i trust some pot smokin skater to pay me back...not when he is renting beats. Don't think you can make the juice.

P.S. I don't know ATL as well as i use to...just useta be up there for some biz...with MCI, etc. I'm to old to be hangin with you youngtahs...i'll just head ovah to the varsity.

man the rented beats are the best ones!!

they pay 20-100 each for a bunch of beats (usually a whole mixtape worth) and i have the rights to keep leasing (actually) the same beat to as many idiots that will never get heard as possible ... then when/if the major label steps in (they take so much time just to pay, paperwork etc) and pays 2k-20k (well, that happened once) for exclusive rights plus residuals, my agreement allows me to pull the lease and distribution rights from everyone else ... that's why they're so cheap.

i can take them back pretty much whenever the hell i want ;-) that fear of loss impulse factor places urgency on turning their little lease beat into an exclusive one. they've had the beat, they recorded on it, they know they have a hot record... now there is value for them... it's worth more than just "what COULD this beat do for me" ... about 40-50% of leases get turned into exclusive purchases.

and my myspace/website world is very seperate from the big money world... i could have a beat online myspace for $300 and turn around and sell it to def jam for $3k if they're interested. they dont know, they dont pay attention ... i just send out a weekly email blast with new projects to the majors/ar's/rappers etc and follow up on the bites from there, pricing beats in accordance to interest and perceived wallet depth.

im kinda like how the government should be ... i tax proportionately... ;-)

[Guiness]

This is the direction this lame thread needed to go...sack-mods.

It has turned into one of the strangest pseudo penis lashing contests we've seen in a while. Two doods arguing about who has better jewelry and shoes while trying to fumigate the thread with as much hip lingo as possible. It's all very... I don't even fucking know what it is, but it is weird.

Not as weird as thinking about how Zool must be powering his neon ball sack kit, but weird nonetheless.

Solar powered? And the panels pick up the reflections off his shaved sack and his bald head...not a cool shaved head, but a bald one since he's 50yrs old and thining hair.

[bobblehead]

It pisses me off to no end realizing my tax dollars are gonna support your two assclowns someday.

BTW, haven't watched a vegas movie since con air took a route that would make a drunken dragonfly proud, so I didn't catch the oceans 11 joke, sorry.

[mission]

It pisses me off to no end realizing my tax dollars are gonna support your two assclowns someday.

BTW, haven't watched a vegas movie since con air took a route that would make a drunken dragonfly proud, so I didn't catch the oceans 11 joke, sorry.

then i bet you'll be relieved to know you wont be supporting me. i dont pay taxes ... so i also dont reap the benefits of social security and cool $600 infusion checks.

plus, im not gonna be old. im james dean'in this shit outta here ... boom... no parachute wooooooooooo!!!

lol

i cant wait to meet everyone at the PR game... you think im gonna miss the A-town in Titletown!??!

you'll be surprised... you'll probably hate yourself for liking me.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

What r u talkin about? You slide into VIP and never pay cover. Your words not mine. Wit yer kicks on...one of kind...maybe some fresh dunks (check out the new colorways), maybe some sick creative reaction...i don't see you in Swears, Common Projects, etc...and a large selection of Supreme tees...maybe some Bathing Ape, Nom de guerre, and god knows how many "fresh" hoodies...W)taps,10deep, Stussy, etc.

i might wear that shit if i was trying to be globally trendy and obnoxiously douche...

try Sol Munki or Plush .357 ... I support the people that support me. Only.

sittin around, downstairs in the shop ... i like having the big garage door open -- i pretty much BBQ all day ... cant argue with the London Supremes right there (even seen em?). If you want, I can model all four colorways for ya ;-)

sorry about the diesel jeans... i didnt feel like changing to avoid your fashion police violations




http://a284.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/64/l_accfba0528173d4061f3fb94170a7e9b.jpg

dunks are really gay btw ... maybe if i was emo and had skin tight jeans.

Don't really mattah what tee brand...all that shit is the same to me. Not my steez.

I guess i don't have the ability to see the difference in your obnoxious tees vs. their obnoxious tees. Guess that i'm just not down.

Supremes: Nah, i don't follow that shit. Again, knowledge of..but, not my steez. I leave that shit to you younguns.

Next thing you'll tell me is to check out whatcha wearin on superfuture.

Dunks: Haven't worn any Nike product in 20 years. Is that what ATL emos wear? Funny.

Diesel: Nice step up from the FUBUs!!! Evisus/PRPS in the wash?

P.S. your lookin a bit ashy...get some lotion.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

It pisses me off to no end realizing my tax dollars are gonna support your two assclowns someday.

BTW, haven't watched a vegas movie since con air took a route that would make a drunken dragonfly proud, so I didn't catch the oceans 11 joke, sorry.

How you figure you are gonna support me? LOL

More like i'll be bailing you out cause you trusted corps and they fucked over your 401k...but, mr. ebbers told me it as solid.

P.S. I guessin i'm older than you. And, i hope i suck out all the SS before you get there. :lol:

[MJZiggy]

This is the direction this lame thread needed to go...sack-mods.

It has turned into one of the strangest pseudo penis lashing contests we've seen in a while. Two doods arguing about who has better jewelry and shoes while trying to fumigate the thread with as much hip lingo as possible. It's all very... I don't even fucking know what it is, but it is weird.

Not as weird as thinking about how Zool must be powering his neon ball sack kit, but weird nonetheless.

Solar powered? And the panels pick up the reflections off his shaved sack and his bald head...not a cool shaved head, but a bald one since he's 50yrs old and thining hair.

I was thinking wind powered, but I guess that will work too...

[MadtownPacker]

Tyrone's going to the ATL/GB game?

[Guiness]

Solar powered? And the panels pick up the reflections off his shaved sack and his bald head...not a cool shaved head, but a bald one since he's 50yrs old and thining hair.

I was thinking wind powered, but I guess that will work too...

Flapping in the wind, so to speak? Need a scarecrow for your patch? That oughta do it!!!! :shock:

[MJZiggy]

Well I was thinking wind of the breaking variety, but whatever gets the job done, I guess...

[mission]

What r u talkin about? You slide into VIP and never pay cover. Your words not mine. Wit yer kicks on...one of kind...maybe some fresh dunks (check out the new colorways), maybe some sick creative reaction...i don't see you in Swears, Common Projects, etc...and a large selection of Supreme tees...maybe some Bathing Ape, Nom de guerre, and god knows how many "fresh" hoodies...W)taps,10deep, Stussy, etc.

i might wear that shit if i was trying to be globally trendy and obnoxiously douche...

try Sol Munki or Plush .357 ... I support the people that support me. Only.

sittin around, downstairs in the shop ... i like having the big garage door open -- i pretty much BBQ all day ... cant argue with the London Supremes right there (even seen em?). If you want, I can model all four colorways for ya ;-)

sorry about the diesel jeans... i didnt feel like changing to avoid your fashion police violations




http://a284.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/64/l_accfba0528173d4061f3fb94170a7e9b.jpg

dunks are really gay btw ... maybe if i was emo and had skin tight jeans.

Don't really mattah what tee brand...all that shit is the same to me. Not my steez.

I guess i don't have the ability to see the difference in your obnoxious tees vs. their obnoxious tees. Guess that i'm just not down.

Supremes: Nah, i don't follow that shit. Again, knowledge of..but, not my steez. I leave that shit to you younguns.

Next thing you'll tell me is to check out whatcha wearin on superfuture.

Dunks: Haven't worn any Nike product in 20 years. Is that what ATL emos wear? Funny.

Diesel: Nice step up from the FUBUs!!! Evisus/PRPS in the wash?

P.S. your lookin a bit ashy...get some lotion.

haha you got me crackin up! if you're really old (im 27 btw) then you're a pretty cool dude for knowin what you do and thinkin a crack smokin dave chappelle is funny ("we can get high for ... at least one or two hours!!!") then you're ok in my book.

for the record i dont wear that ridiculous eminem type white boy shit... my jeans are blue... they dont have "alsum!!" designs and all that ... even my watch was a gift from an older lady who i used to .. yanno ... help out.

we've established... im not hip -- and in some ways, that ends up makin me hip (see: MJQ). engineers/producers are the behind the scenes slobs of the industry... im a decent lookin guy (with big ears) but any effort into improving that perception gets left to ppl who enjoy that sort of thing. id rather smoke weed and play wii (i think i should buy one now that you mention it).

8-)

[SkinBasket]

Tyrone's going to the ATL/GB game?

Mission says he is, but not Tyrone. Why, you looking to mug whichever one shows?

[SkinBasket]

Hey mission, has Mad pm'ed you about bringing the weed to the PR game yet?

[mission]

Hey mission, has Mad pm'ed you about bringing the weed to the PR game yet?

no but ive lived in madison (gorham/patterson) and i know kush is hard to come by so i might have to extend my distribution services via anonymous fedex dropbox/shampoo bottle care package previous to my arrival ;-)

as long as mad promises to show up to the game with it!! you know those 'panics... cant trust em lol

[Zool]

This is the direction this lame thread needed to go...sack-mods.

It has turned into one of the strangest pseudo penis lashing contests we've seen in a while. Two doods arguing about who has better jewelry and shoes while trying to fumigate the thread with as much hip lingo as possible. It's all very... I don't even fucking know what it is, but it is weird.

Not as weird as thinking about how Zool must be powering his neon ball sack kit, but weird nonetheless.

Solar powered? And the panels pick up the reflections off his shaved sack and his bald head...not a cool shaved head, but a bald one since he's 50yrs old and thining hair.

I was thinking wind powered, but I guess that will work too...

Fuck that shit. I'm rockin a solid comb over. Here's a sample.

http://babas.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/img_1889.JPG

As for powering the neon....what women can use D batteries but I cant? Sexist bastards. The hard part was figuring out where to hide the monobloc's to power the subs.

[mission]

This is the direction this lame thread needed to go...sack-mods.

It has turned into one of the strangest pseudo penis lashing contests we've seen in a while. Two doods arguing about who has better jewelry and shoes while trying to fumigate the thread with as much hip lingo as possible. It's all very... I don't even fucking know what it is, but it is weird.

Not as weird as thinking about how Zool must be powering his neon ball sack kit, but weird nonetheless.

Solar powered? And the panels pick up the reflections off his shaved sack and his bald head...not a cool shaved head, but a bald one since he's 50yrs old and thining hair.

I was thinking wind powered, but I guess that will work too...

Fuck that shit. I'm rockin a solid comb over. Here's a sample.

http://babas.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/img_1889.JPG

As for powering the neon....what women can use D batteries but I cant? Sexist bastards. The hard part was figuring out where to hide the monobloc's to power the subs.

zool -- you must be the only guy with a comb over to play in an angry death murder metal band. im impressed.

:rock:

[Partial]

sorry, based on your tone and "defense" of JWalk I thought you were serious...fatally stupid, but serious. I found it hard to believe you could believe that, but again, I guess I can't read your tone too well as this is the second time its happened. Now I feel silly for bothering to debunk that bunk.

I thought it was blindingly obvious that someone in Vegas woulda recalled Ocean's 11...guess my english accent didn't come thru when referring to "pinch."

Tell him you're in barney. Then he'll get it.

[Partial]

So is Tyrone a darkie? Or just a really old, kinda creepy 50 year old guy who keeps it hood.

[mission]

So is Tyrone a darkie? Or just a really old, kinda creepy 50 year old guy who keeps it hood. :lol: :lol: :lol:

you crack me up.. darkie.. careful lol

im goin with the 43 year old national sales account rep guy who has a rolex and banged a couple black chicks back in the day (and good for him for it!) so he knows how to keep it trill down the block yalreadyknow.

:P

[packers11]

pft.com


BELLAGIO DISPUTES WALKER’S CLAIMS
Posted by Mike Florio on June 19, 2008, 10:35 p.m.
Raiders receiver Javon Walker claims that gunmen appeared at his room at Bellagio, knocked him unconscious, robbed him, and then dragged to him a car and dumped him in the street.

The folks at Bellagio disagree.

“The facts that have been reported regarding the incident involving Javon Walker are incorrect,” a spokesperson from MGM-Mirage, which owns Bellagio, told KVBC-TV in Las Vegas. “I am unable to provide further detail out of respect for the Metro investigation which is currently underway.”

KVBC also reports that Bellagio has more than 2,000 surveillance cameras that operate continuously inside and outside the hotel.

Meanwhile, a reader has shared with us some Vegas talk-radio rumor/speculation regarding the incident that makes sense. As the rumor/speculation goes, a couple of guys saw Walker spraying Dom Perignon on Saturday night, and then recruited a woman to cozy up to him and to get him to take her home, or wherever. Once outside, the robbers intervened, knocked Walker out, and took his watch and money.

For more on the situation (and for a little background for those of you who have been laying unconscious in the street for most of the week), here’s a PFTV segment.

[GrnBay007]

I would buy that story..."rumor". Makes more sense than Walker's version. And, I highly doubt Walker went for a little walk in a not so good area on his own.

[mission]

ive been known to do some ridiculous things to bang a hot black chick before too :whist:

[GrnBay007]

ive been known to do some ridiculous things to bang a hot black chick before too :whist:

Did you get robbed too? :wink:

[MadtownPacker]

Tyrone's going to the ATL/GB game?

Mission says he is, but not Tyrone. Why, you looking to mug whichever one shows?I'm hoping they both bring all their bling, cash and kicks. Also a Richard Hamilton faceguard.

Dont want anyone getting a broken eye socket. :tup:

[mission]

ive been known to do some ridiculous things to bang a hot black chick before too :whist:

Did you get robbed too? :wink:

either that or you could say "i got what i paid for" ... probably both are accurate. :oops:

dinners/drinks can get expensive but her being half unable to function usually helps me seal the deal. :P

[packrat]

Which half do you want to function?

[Fritz]

Man...the equation is so, so simple: booze and/or drugs plus late night hours plus either strip clubs/dance clubs/casinos equals trouble.

Javon's not a twenty-three year old any more, either. The dude's twenty-nine. Not that that's old, but he ought to know better at this point.

Definitely Raiders material.

[MateoInMex]

The part that don't make sense is him ever being in a position for this to happen. In Vegas, at a major hotel (turns out this was at body english, tryst was the night before i guess) You never have to be exposed. We got Limos and Cabs by the millions parked right in front of every hotel (and valet if you drive). The casino and nightclub are filled with security and robberies beyond a snatch and run NEVER happen inside the casino.

Its just damn hard to be exposed unless you were blatently stupid.

Oh yea, and as far as looking for a hooker, use the yellow pages or the main bar at any major casino, you don't have to go out looking here (not that I would kow....honest.....I don't do that.....for real.....no, really......stop looking at me that way)


Right off the Strip to the East is shady. Not North Las Vegas shady, but shady. Koval Lane is right where Tupac was shot to death if I'm not mistaken. Purely coincidence obviously, but the South end of the strip closer to UNLV has become increasingly dangerous around the older apartment complexes. Again, not North Las Vegas dangerous, but no tourist should be out on those side streets. Actually, nobody should be on those streets. I don't know how Javon Walker got there, but it was extremely poor judgment.

Sort of like the same judgment Javon used by equating a soldier in battle and a guy with 1 good season and 7 million dollars deserving a pay raise.

Look, it's bad enough for some to live in Las Vegas because there is the underbelly of life there tourists do not see. Vegas is riddled with crime and drugs like many major cities.

Im glad I moved. I felt safer in Central Hollywood and parts of East L.A. then in Vegas.

Regardless of Vegas and it's violence, J-Walk in not a smart individual, he has the Wonderlich scores to prove this.

[bobblehead]

I've been here for 15 years, and I feel as safe as in Bonduel wisconsin. I don't go to rough areas, but I would think even our rough areas are safer than NY or LA's rough areas.

I don't want to speculate what Jwalk was doing down there, I simply know not many people walk around in that area.

[MateoInMex]

I've been here for 15 years, and I feel as safe as in Bonduel wisconsin. I don't go to rough areas, but I would think even our rough areas are safer than NY or LA's rough areas.

I don't want to speculate what Jwalk was doing down there, I simply know not many people walk around in that area.

The only time I truly felt safe is when I would take a trip to visit my buddy Pyro Pete in Summerlin.

Which part of Vegas are you in Bobblehead?

[RashanGary]

I heard Tupac's killing, Pacmans incident and the spot Jwalk was found unconcious were in about a one block radius.

Fuck, Javon Walker is stupid.

[KYPack]

I've been here for 15 years, and I feel as safe as in Bonduel wisconsin. I don't go to rough areas, but I would think even our rough areas are safer than NY or LA's rough areas.

I don't want to speculate what Jwalk was doing down there, I simply know not many people walk around in that area.

I know. Things can get real hairy in Bonduel when the boys run low on booze.

[bobblehead]

I've been here for 15 years, and I feel as safe as in Bonduel wisconsin. I don't go to rough areas, but I would think even our rough areas are safer than NY or LA's rough areas.

I don't want to speculate what Jwalk was doing down there, I simply know not many people walk around in that area.

The only time I truly felt safe is when I would take a trip to visit my buddy Pyro Pete in Summerlin.

Which part of Vegas are you in Bobblehead?

Heh, summerlin...well, I actually live a tad south of summerlin, but the entire west side of vegas is safe, and 90% of the east side. Some spots near downtown, north las vegas, and some of the areas just east of the strip (like where JWalk was found) are seedy and not real great, but the rest of the city is solid.

[MateoInMex]

I've been here for 15 years, and I feel as safe as in Bonduel wisconsin. I don't go to rough areas, but I would think even our rough areas are safer than NY or LA's rough areas.

I don't want to speculate what Jwalk was doing down there, I simply know not many people walk around in that area.

The only time I truly felt safe is when I would take a trip to visit my buddy Pyro Pete in Summerlin.

Which part of Vegas are you in Bobblehead?

Heh, summerlin...well, I actually live a tad south of summerlin, but the entire west side of vegas is safe, and 90% of the east side. Some spots near downtown, north las vegas, and some of the areas just east of the strip (like where JWalk was found) are seedy and not real great, but the rest of the city is solid.

I agree. North Town is going to be really hard to clean up though. It's a trip though. You have drug addicted prostitutes, gang bangers, and Mexican Cowboys riding their horses to the store to get beer....all on the same street.

I still remember the referendum the put out in local elections 3-4 years ago raising property taxes like $3 a house so the city could afford more police patrols. I didn't vote, but my cousin voted against it. . . when I asked why ...I swear... dude says... "Ey fool, I don't want more PO'PO's on the streets."

My cousin isn't that smart, but I guess as much as he drinks..I guess I can see his point of view.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Tyrone's going to the ATL/GB game?

Don't think so. I'm afraid of the homonculus that is Partial.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

What r u talkin about? You slide into VIP and never pay cover. Your words not mine. Wit yer kicks on...one of kind...maybe some fresh dunks (check out the new colorways), maybe some sick creative reaction...i don't see you in Swears, Common Projects, etc...and a large selection of Supreme tees...maybe some Bathing Ape, Nom de guerre, and god knows how many "fresh" hoodies...W)taps,10deep, Stussy, etc.

i might wear that shit if i was trying to be globally trendy and obnoxiously douche...

try Sol Munki or Plush .357 ... I support the people that support me. Only.

sittin around, downstairs in the shop ... i like having the big garage door open -- i pretty much BBQ all day ... cant argue with the London Supremes right there (even seen em?). If you want, I can model all four colorways for ya ;-)

sorry about the diesel jeans... i didnt feel like changing to avoid your fashion police violations




http://a284.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/64/l_accfba0528173d4061f3fb94170a7e9b.jpg

dunks are really gay btw ... maybe if i was emo and had skin tight jeans.

Don't really mattah what tee brand...all that shit is the same to me. Not my steez.

I guess i don't have the ability to see the difference in your obnoxious tees vs. their obnoxious tees. Guess that i'm just not down.

Supremes: Nah, i don't follow that shit. Again, knowledge of..but, not my steez. I leave that shit to you younguns.

Next thing you'll tell me is to check out whatcha wearin on superfuture.

Dunks: Haven't worn any Nike product in 20 years. Is that what ATL emos wear? Funny.

Diesel: Nice step up from the FUBUs!!! Evisus/PRPS in the wash?

P.S. your lookin a bit ashy...get some lotion.

haha you got me crackin up! if you're really old (im 27 btw) then you're a pretty cool dude for knowin what you do and thinkin a crack smokin dave chappelle is funny ("we can get high for ... at least one or two hours!!!") then you're ok in my book.

for the record i dont wear that ridiculous eminem type white boy shit... my jeans are blue... they dont have "alsum!!" designs and all that ... even my watch was a gift from an older lady who i used to .. yanno ... help out.

we've established... im not hip -- and in some ways, that ends up makin me hip (see: MJQ). engineers/producers are the behind the scenes slobs of the industry... im a decent lookin guy (with big ears) but any effort into improving that perception gets left to ppl who enjoy that sort of thing. id rather smoke weed and play wii (i think i should buy one now that you mention it).

8-)

Old..a state of mind my friend. But, i am 42. So, yes my knowledge is pretty strong for my age. From the hard livin burbs of miltown. Old skool.. schwin stingray with card in the spokes..bitches.

Like i said, use to work in apparel...ya gotta know what the trends are and what the kids are wearin. But, that whole urban, white boy skater thing...supremes, dayglo hoodies, and (fuck, can't recall what they call those kerchiefs they wear)..is just fucked up.

My style is..well, Nice collective.

We are cool.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So is Tyrone a darkie? Or just a really old, kinda creepy 50 year old guy who keeps it hood. :lol: :lol: :lol:

you crack me up.. darkie.. careful lol

im goin with the 43 year old national sales account rep guy who has a rolex and banged a couple black chicks back in the day (and good for him for it!) so he knows how to keep it trill down the block yalreadyknow.

:P

Nah, not national account rep anymore...to much bs. No rolex..not my style. Ikepod or Hermes Cape Cod...but, i don't even wear a watch.

Bang a few black chicks...i musta missed them at the University of whites. :roll: Didn't see any after high school.

Not much a fan of black chix i met in florida...to county or ghetto. Tyrone says NO to paw print tattoos on boobies.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

ive been known to do some ridiculous things to bang a hot black chick before too :whist:

Walker is a brutha...prolly a implanted blonde.

[mission]

hahah paew tats on boobies nice ... i guess i ertwas barely close.

im spoiled by living by the AUC ... rich spelman and clark girls are always trying to diversify their interests and show daddy how educated they are now. sometimes the results arent so pleasing to him.

[Tarlam!]

Im the main producer for CTE (Jeezy, Blood Raw, Rocko, etc)
EDIT -- and the fact that you've probably "danced" to a track Ive produced (Louis Bag, On For My City) makes me chuckle briefly inside. Only for a second, though... :wink:

So, are you "The Nazty One" ?

[mission]

nope but he's been around the longest wtith cte -- good cat...

there's a lot of ghosting... my name gets me 3k a beat right now if they really wanna hardline and go by the points scale... beats get "presented" by established producers under their name, they get a cut and the ghost writer usually makes tons more on it but anonymity's the word ... wasnt expecting to get called out on a packer forum so dont go reporting this to ascap or anything there tarlam ;-)

you'll be hearing some stuff that ill actually get my points on... rocko and jeezy called "secret service" ... probably t-pain on the hook. that one i can *legally* talk about. im excited

[Tarlam!]

wasnt expecting to get called out on a packer forum so dont go reporting this to ascap or anything there tarlam ;-)


Hey Mission, I wasn't call you out at all! I was just interested, because in another post, you said your name was Tony. I am an avid Packer Rat, so I read almost every post made here.

I was catching up and came across the posts and was curious. Since you'll be going to the game in October, you'll notice how a switch goes on after meeting other Rats. It makes posting here a completely different experience. It will also, I think, make you more interested in the lives behind the posters.

It did for me.

[Joemailman]

Seems some are starting to question whether Javon can be the team leader the Raiders had envisioned. http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/54912

Um...what is Walker's past caused them to think he would ever be someone to put the team first?

[Iron Mike]

Javon who??? 8-)

[packers11]

pft.com


SURVEILLANCE TAPE CONTRADICTS JAVON’S CLAIMS
Posted by Mike Florio on June 21, 2008, 9:12 p.m.
To the surprise of no one (save for the 10 percent of folks who responded to our current poll in the affirmative), Raiders receiver Javon Walker’s version of the events culminating in the taking of an involuntary nap on a Las Vegas street has been contradicted by surveillance video.

According to Norm Clarke of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, police have video of Walker getting into a car under his own power, and that he is not being coerced.

Walker was found at 7:30 a.m. local time, unconscious in a pool of blood. He had left the Body English night club at 3:00 a.m. after a night of spraying champagne (and, presumably, drinking hose water).

[Guiness]

pft.com


SURVEILLANCE TAPE CONTRADICTS JAVON’S CLAIMS

You got some 'splaining to do Lucy!

[Zool]

pft.com


SURVEILLANCE TAPE CONTRADICTS JAVON’S CLAIMS

You got some 'splaining to do Lucy!

Javon has never been accused of being smart, probably ever in his life.

[bobblehead]

sorry, coulda posted that 2 days ago, it was in the local paper, but I thought someone was on it.

Also, rumor mill is that he got jacked by his own "posse". Guys he was hangin with that weekend that he thought were is boys, but they turned on him when they got the chance.

This still doesn't explain why he made up such a stupid story.

[Bossman641]

sorry, coulda posted that 2 days ago, it was in the local paper, but I thought someone was on it.

Also, rumor mill is that he got jacked by his own "posse". Guys he was hangin with that weekend that he thought were is boys, but they turned on him when they got the chance.

This still doesn't explain why he made up such a stupid story.

Easy, because he's an idiot.

He's probably either embarassed by what happened or is afraid of what else could happen if he were to snitch.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

sorry, coulda posted that 2 days ago, it was in the local paper, but I thought someone was on it.

Also, rumor mill is that he got jacked by his own "posse". Guys he was hangin with that weekend that he thought were is boys, but they turned on him when they got the chance.

This still doesn't explain why he made up such a stupid story.

I heard he was a liberal and was spouting off about socialism...where exactly were you Bobble?

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.profootballtalk.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/javonpatch.jpg

[bobblehead]

sorry, coulda posted that 2 days ago, it was in the local paper, but I thought someone was on it.

Also, rumor mill is that he got jacked by his own "posse". Guys he was hangin with that weekend that he thought were is boys, but they turned on him when they got the chance.

This still doesn't explain why he made up such a stupid story.

I heard he was a liberal and was spouting off about socialism...where exactly were you Bobble?

comfy in bed at that hour of the morning...no way I would be back there where the drug dealers and hookers hang out...honest...I don't cruise for hookers...really....stop LOOKING AT ME!!!

[sheepshead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzesqlQyf5Q

[Tyrone Bigguns]

sorry, coulda posted that 2 days ago, it was in the local paper, but I thought someone was on it.

Also, rumor mill is that he got jacked by his own "posse". Guys he was hangin with that weekend that he thought were is boys, but they turned on him when they got the chance.

This still doesn't explain why he made up such a stupid story.

I heard he was a liberal and was spouting off about socialism...where exactly were you Bobble?

comfy in bed at that hour of the morning...no way I would be back there where the drug dealers and hookers hang out...honest...I don't cruise for hookers...really....stop LOOKING AT ME!!!

IN bed at that time of the morning? What kinda hardworking conserv are you.

Everyday you sound more and more like a liberal.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I get so tired of being right...so far, nothing to do with javon and spraying.

LAS VEGAS -- One man was arrested and a second was sought Tuesday in a robbery and beating that left Oakland Raiders receiver Javon Walker unconscious on a side street after a long night of partying at Las Vegas nightclubs.

Police said Arfat Fadel, of Las Vegas, was accused of multiple felonies, including kidnapping, robbery, battery and conspiracy in a June 16 robbery. Lt. Clinton Nichols said Walker lost about $3,000 in cash and $100,000 worth of jewelry in the robbery.

The loot has not been recovered, he said.

"Mr. Walker was in town to have a good time, as many of our visitors to Las Vegas do," Nichols said. "As he will readily admit, he probably had a little too much to drink and he did not pick up on the clues that Mr. Fadel was someone he probably should not have been with."

Police released a booking photo of the 30-year-old Fadel and a black-and-white surveillance videotape image of the other alleged assailant who they said they believed was still in Las Vegas.

"The suspects knew who Mr. Walker was. He did not know who they were," Nichols said. "Whether they were part of his entourage or not remains to be seen."

Nichols said Walker got out of one vehicle he was riding in with friends and got into Fadels's black Range Rover with Fadel and the other man before he was assaulted and robbed.

"He willingly got in the vehicle on his own," Nichols said of the 6-foot-3, 215-pound Walker. "We're unsure why."

Nichols said during a news conference the two men were seen in some of the crowded nightclubs where Walker was shown on surveillance videotapes partying from about 9 p.m. June 15, until shortly before he was found unconscious at 7:19 a.m. the next morning about a block east of the Las Vegas Strip.

Police said Walker was hospitalized for treatment of a moderate concussion and significant facial injuries.

Walker was released by the Broncos last February and was signed by the Oakland Raiders to a six-year, $55 million deal.

The team and Walker's agent, Kennard McGuire of Richmond, Texas, did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

Fadel was booked on the Walker case while he was being held at the Clark County jail on unrelated kidnapping and battery domestic violence charges after an arrest Friday, jail records show.

He was due in a Las Vegas court Wednesday morning. It was not immediately clear if he was represented by a lawyer, and police Sgt. John Loretto said Fadel refused interview requests.

Nichols said Fadel had a record that included "a variety of criminal charges" in California, New York, Michigan and Nevada. He did not specify the charges.

Walker "assumed these people were friendly or responsible," Nichols said, "and unfortunately, they turned out not to be."

Walker, a former first-round 2001 draft pick by the Green Bay Packers, was traded to the Denver Broncos in 2006. On New Year's Day 2007, Broncos teammate Darrent Williams died in Walker's arms in the back of a limousine after a drive-by shooting in downtown Denver.

Walker later said then-teammate Brandon Marshall and his cousin exchanged angry words with two men who confronted Williams and his group after taking offense when Marshall sprayed them with champagne.

THat is for you LEAPER!!

[MJZiggy]

"He willingly got in the vehicle on his own," Nichols said of the 6-foot-3, 215-pound Walker. "We're unsure why."


'cause he's stupid?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

"He willingly got in the vehicle on his own," Nichols said of the 6-foot-3, 215-pound Walker. "We're unsure why."


'cause he's stupid?

Popo don't even know if his assailants weren't part of his posse.

Javon..stupid..prolly. Javon..nice guy and trusting..prolly.

[GBRulz]

I wonder if he will be charged with lying to the police??

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I wonder if he will be charged with lying to the police??

Good point.

I wonder if they could cut him slack if they thought he lied because he was fearful for his safety?

We gotta any law enforcement rats?

[RashanGary]

Maybe Walker should go out partying in Vegas again. I mean, he did nothing wrong and he's not putting himself in harms way. When he dies we can all jsut say "well, it's a shame, nobody could have ever predicted a bad thing would happen to a filthy rich guy who happens to be shit faced drunk in Las Vegas. It's all just a big suprise and not preventable. His death would be a true unexplainable tragedy :roll:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Maybe Walker should go out partying in Vegas again. I mean, he did nothing wrong and he's not putting himself in harms way. When he dies we can all jsut say "well, it's a shame, nobody could have ever predicted a bad thing would happen to a filthy rich guy who happens to be shit faced drunk in Las Vegas. It's all just a big suprise and not preventable. His death would be a true unexplainable tragedy :roll:

Don't be an ass. Walker, like the rest of us should be free to go. The point remains that his going out wasn't the cause of his problem.

ANd, where is your proof that he was shit faced drunk?

Keep holding onto your viewpoint...no matter how much evidence goes against it.

[bobblehead]

ty, I won't say you were wrong, but you weren't exactly right either. The man was hanging around with sultry folks that anyone with good judgement woulda avoided. Was it someone who was pissed at him for spraying..no, but it was part of that whole environment/scene. If he doesn't stop hangin in clubs thinking its cool to spray people and get shitfaced this won't be the last of it.

As for me being hard working...hardly, I put my 12 hour days in and made my sacrifices. I'm just working less and trying to let my money grow a bit more before I call it a career. I don't even have a career anymore, just a job.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

ty, I won't say you were wrong, but you weren't exactly right either. The man was hanging around with sultry folks that anyone with good judgement woulda avoided. Was it someone who was pissed at him for spraying..no, but it was part of that whole environment/scene. If he doesn't stop hangin in clubs thinking its cool to spray people and get shitfaced this won't be the last of it.

As for me being hard working...hardly, I put my 12 hour days in and made my sacrifices. I'm just working less and trying to let my money grow a bit more before I call it a career. I don't even have a career anymore, just a job.

Bobble,

The point is that you can find those people..or rather, they will find you no matter where you go. javon could be playing bball at the rec center and they would find him...or "smarter" criminals that would rip him off with biz investments, etc.

Javon, like i said, is a nice guy...too trusting. That will haunt you. Look, it is easy for you to say anyone with good judgement..but, it is hard for you to back it up. People get taken every day..smart people. That is what makes con men, etc...good at what they do. They prey on trusting, naive folks.

I suppose you wouldn't have trusted Ebbers, the enron crew, or Dennis Kozlowski?

P.S. I can only hope you are better at your job than your choice of adjectives. Sultry doesn't mean what you think it does. Unless you think those characters were oppresively hot and humid...or that they were sexual. :oops:

[Guiness]

Ok, just to be clear...he was out partying, hooked up with some guys, left with them (presumably thinking they were heading to another club) and they rolled him?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ok, just to be clear...he was out partying, hooked up with some guys, left with them (presumably thinking they were heading to another club) and they rolled him?

At this moment..that appears to be close to the story.

However, police aren't saying that they couldn't have been part of his crew that night.

If i was to guess...maybe some of Javon's crew knew them..and were then part of his crew.

All i know, is that Ty has met plenty of people in his 20s..and left with them after a night at the bar, club, tavern....ty isn't going to harsh out on javon for doing what ty and others have done thousands of times.

[GBRulz]

All i know, is that Ty has met plenty of people in his 20s..and left with them after a night at the bar, club, tavern....ty isn't going to harsh out on javon for doing what ty and others have done thousands of times.

Being a pro-athlete with a fat new contract vs a nobody are two totally different things when you are around or leave with people you don't know.

We'll probably never know the true details of this story. The end.

[RashanGary]

That's why they have those rookie talks where they explain all of the dangers that go along with being a wealthy 20 something.

Poor Javon though, nobody could have ever predicted things like this could happen, well except for anyone with a brain and the NFL who already told Javon to avoid exactly this type of situation. Every NFL player I've heard said it was a shame but that's the world they live in and they have to adjust. You think it's time that maybe Javon adjust too? I guess at some point it's just called common sense. Javon lacks it. If he dies it will be a true example of natural selection in the human herd. Call it overly trusting, call it a good guy in bad situations, but in the grand scheme of life it really just turns into dead and that's the bottom line, really.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

All i know, is that Ty has met plenty of people in his 20s..and left with them after a night at the bar, club, tavern....ty isn't going to harsh out on javon for doing what ty and others have done thousands of times.

Being a pro-athlete with a fat new contract vs a nobody are two totally different things when you are around or leave with people you don't know.

We'll probably never know the true details of this story. The end.

true. but, you also have to think if you are javon and you are in vip and they are in vip and they know your crew that they are ok.

Finally, i highly doubt the fat contract plays into it at all. Not like they held him hostage.

The bottom line is Javon is fine to go out...when you consider how many rich and rich athletes are out in the clubs and a small percentage have problems.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That's why they have those rookie talks where they explain all of the dangers that go along with being a wealthy 20 something.

Poor Javon though, nobody could have ever predicted things like this could happen, well except for anyone with a brain and the NFL who already told Javon to avoid exactly this type of situation. Every NFL player I've heard said it was a shame but that's the world they live in and they have to adjust. You think it's time that maybe Javon adjust too? I guess at some point it's just called common sense. Javon lacks it. If he dies it will be a true example of natural selection in the human herd. Call it overly trusting, call it a good guy in bad situations, but in the grand scheme of life it really just turns into dead and that's the bottom line, really.

Please show me where the NFL counsels against going out. that is just dumb...then basically every nfl player is doing exactly what the nfl is against.

And, a certain packer is in the GOING OUT biz.

Stop being a hater.

[GBRulz]

All i know, is that Ty has met plenty of people in his 20s..and left with them after a night at the bar, club, tavern....ty isn't going to harsh out on javon for doing what ty and others have done thousands of times.

Being a pro-athlete with a fat new contract vs a nobody are two totally different things when you are around or leave with people you don't know.

We'll probably never know the true details of this story. The end.

true. but, you also have to think if you are javon and you are in vip and they are in vip and they know your crew that they are ok.

Finally, i highly doubt the fat contract plays into it at all. Not like they held him hostage.

The bottom line is Javon is fine to go out...when you consider how many rich and rich athletes are out in the clubs and a small percentage have problems.

I didn't read where they were in VIP and they they all knew each other. But it doesn't matter. There are a lot of nobody's in VIP, it's all about who you know.

You're right, most athletes go out without problems...perhaps because they don't leave with someone they don't know!! I don't think any of us wished this on Javon, for sure.... just saying that he's basically sharp as a marble.

[GBRulz]

That's why they have those rookie talks where they explain all of the dangers that go along with being a wealthy 20 something.

Poor Javon though, nobody could have ever predicted things like this could happen, well except for anyone with a brain and the NFL who already told Javon to avoid exactly this type of situation. Every NFL player I've heard said it was a shame but that's the world they live in and they have to adjust. You think it's time that maybe Javon adjust too? I guess at some point it's just called common sense. Javon lacks it. If he dies it will be a true example of natural selection in the human herd. Call it overly trusting, call it a good guy in bad situations, but in the grand scheme of life it really just turns into dead and that's the bottom line, really.

Please show me where the NFL counsels against going out. that is just dumb...then basically every nfl player is doing exactly what the nfl is against.

And, a certain packer is in the GOING OUT biz.

Stop being a hater.

I believe JH is referring to the symposium that all draft picks much attend prior to training camp. Teaches them how to handle their finances, the media, security, personal conduct, substance abuse.....you get the picture.

[FavreChild]

Yes, and all college freshman attend mandatory orientation sessions that warn them about the dangers of drinking and sexual assault. Does that prevent students from partying?? Not to mention that the NFL new player orientation is supposedly a big joke. Again, pretty much like freshman orientation.

No one thinks it will happen to them. Nobody. And especially not an athletic young male.

I don't really care if people don't like Javon or think he's dumb or a poor decision-maker or whatever. That does not matter. Condemning Javon is the same as condemning every other victim. Victims don't break the law. Perpetrators do.

[RashanGary]

Well, when he's dead I"m sure it will be a big constilation prize, not having broken a law and all.

Some things are more important than the law, Ty and FC. Really. I'm sure as soon as you break out of that rigid line of thinking it will come to you.

[mission]

yeah i dont hold the laws in very high esteem when so recently they told blacks they couldnt even drink out of the same water fountain.

im not sure im going to go around living my life in accordance to anything other than what i personally feel is wrong and/or right.

... and ive only been to jail once. well, once... in america. :P

nearing 30, have grey hair and god damn, ive had one helluva ride so far.

i sure am glad ive done all this "experimenting"

[Scott Campbell]

ESPN did a little digging around.


Friends offer counsel, support -- if Walker decides he wants it


http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=williamson_bill&id=3455402

[Deputy Nutz]

Maybe Walker should go out partying in Vegas again. I mean, he did nothing wrong and he's not putting himself in harms way. When he dies we can all jsut say "well, it's a shame, nobody could have ever predicted a bad thing would happen to a filthy rich guy who happens to be shit faced drunk in Las Vegas. It's all just a big suprise and not preventable. His death would be a true unexplainable tragedy :roll:

Fabulous.

[bobblehead]

ty, I won't say you were wrong, but you weren't exactly right either. The man was hanging around with sultry folks that anyone with good judgement woulda avoided. Was it someone who was pissed at him for spraying..no, but it was part of that whole environment/scene. If he doesn't stop hangin in clubs thinking its cool to spray people and get shitfaced this won't be the last of it.

As for me being hard working...hardly, I put my 12 hour days in and made my sacrifices. I'm just working less and trying to let my money grow a bit more before I call it a career. I don't even have a career anymore, just a job.

Bobble,

The point is that you can find those people..or rather, they will find you no matter where you go. javon could be playing bball at the rec center and they would find him...or "smarter" criminals that would rip him off with biz investments, etc.

Javon, like i said, is a nice guy...too trusting. That will haunt you. Look, it is easy for you to say anyone with good judgement..but, it is hard for you to back it up. People get taken every day..smart people. That is what makes con men, etc...good at what they do. They prey on trusting, naive folks.

I suppose you wouldn't have trusted Ebbers, the enron crew, or Dennis Kozlowski?

P.S. I can only hope you are better at your job than your choice of adjectives. Sultry doesn't mean what you think it does. Unless you think those characters were oppresively hot and humid...or that they were sexual. :oops:

I type faster than I think sometimes...I meant surly. I can only hope you are more forgiving in real life than you come across on the computer. I was thinking about what I was saying and instead of surly I typed sultry...shit happens all the time, but usually people don't get stupid and personal in pointing it out.

As far as you once again taking a shot, and making this personal....well, I addressed that in the RR. You are pretty much a petty pathetic prick. For someone who is all up in tex's junk all the time you sure do like to take little personal digs.

If you want to compare brain power find a better way to come at someone than typing a wrong word on the fly and not proofreading well enough. What a jack off....too bad it took me this long to fully appreciate the level you have reached.

PS..yes people get ripped off in other ways/venues, but again...when you put yourself in a situation known to result in bad things it is much more likely to happen. I'm not saying he is not a good guy..I'm saying he is an idiot.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

ty, I won't say you were wrong, but you weren't exactly right either. The man was hanging around with sultry folks that anyone with good judgement woulda avoided. Was it someone who was pissed at him for spraying..no, but it was part of that whole environment/scene. If he doesn't stop hangin in clubs thinking its cool to spray people and get shitfaced this won't be the last of it.

As for me being hard working...hardly, I put my 12 hour days in and made my sacrifices. I'm just working less and trying to let my money grow a bit more before I call it a career. I don't even have a career anymore, just a job.

Bobble,

The point is that you can find those people..or rather, they will find you no matter where you go. javon could be playing bball at the rec center and they would find him...or "smarter" criminals that would rip him off with biz investments, etc.

Javon, like i said, is a nice guy...too trusting. That will haunt you. Look, it is easy for you to say anyone with good judgement..but, it is hard for you to back it up. People get taken every day..smart people. That is what makes con men, etc...good at what they do. They prey on trusting, naive folks.

I suppose you wouldn't have trusted Ebbers, the enron crew, or Dennis Kozlowski?

P.S. I can only hope you are better at your job than your choice of adjectives. Sultry doesn't mean what you think it does. Unless you think those characters were oppresively hot and humid...or that they were sexual. :oops:

I type faster than I think sometimes...I meant surly. I can only hope you are more forgiving in real life than you come across on the computer. I was thinking about what I was saying and instead of surly I typed sultry...shit happens all the time, but usually people don't get stupid and personal in pointing it out.

As far as you once again taking a shot, and making this personal....well, I addressed that in the RR. You are pretty much a petty pathetic prick. For someone who is all up in tex's junk all the time you sure do like to take little personal digs.

If you want to compare brain power find a better way to come at someone than typing a wrong word on the fly and not proofreading well enough. What a jack off....too bad it took me this long to fully appreciate the level you have reached.

PS..yes people get ripped off in other ways/venues, but again...when you put yourself in a situation known to result in bad things it is much more likely to happen. I'm not saying he is not a good guy..I'm saying he is an idiot.

Ok. You meant surly...take a joke.

Again, though...you would be hardpressed under the common def of surly to point at people at a club as being surly.

1. churlishly rude or bad-tempered: a surly waiter.
2. unfriendly or hostile; menacingly irritable: a surly old lion.
3. dark or dismal; menacing; threatening: a surly sky.

I higly doubt if they were any of the above, he woulda got in a vehicle with him.

Which adjective will you try now to paint these people with...one that you can clearly discern from not knowing them, not seeing how they were dressed, not seeing their actions, not seeing their clothes, etc.

I await with amusement.

Ripped off: Again, blame the victim. People that get ripped off have it done so because they cons are good at it...no way of knowing..hathaway anyone.

[bobblehead]

whatever ty, I'm pretty much done with you after you called me a rascist as a "joke" for the second time. You don't amuse me, you don't make many good points, and generally I'm just sick of your act.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

whatever ty, I'm pretty much done with you after you called me a rascist as a "joke" for the second time. You don't amuse me, you don't make many good points, and generally I'm just sick of your act.

No one called you racist. I'm not even sure you know the meaning if you persist in this.

A racist believes that one group is superior to another. Try to find where i painted you with that brush.

[RashanGary]

Ty has that effect on people :)

[bobblehead]

Sound like: I would say you sound like a liberal. Welcome aboard. We've been waiting for you. Don't worry, i'll only introduce to white folks..we'll keep the scary minorities and eco freaks away from you. :oops:

I would say the implication here is pretty strong and simple. Scary minorities...as in I'm too ignorant and rascist to not be scared of minorities. You don't come right out and say it, but the implication is clear and I'm simply sick of it, you do it over and over, making "jokes" about me being a rascist, and it simply isn't funny. Am I terribly upset? Not really I just finally realized that what you say about tex applies quite heavily to YOU!!

[HarveyWallbangers]

I wouldn't get too worked up over Elmer Bigguns.

[mission]

as in I'm too ignorant and rascist to not be scared of minorities.

ive read it a few times and maybe it's the recently smoked blunt but i dont understand this at all.. .

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Sound like: I would say you sound like a liberal. Welcome aboard. We've been waiting for you. Don't worry, i'll only introduce to white folks..we'll keep the scary minorities and eco freaks away from you. :oops:

I would say the implication here is pretty strong and simple. Scary minorities...as in I'm too ignorant and rascist to not be scared of minorities. You don't come right out and say it, but the implication is clear and I'm simply sick of it, you do it over and over, making "jokes" about me being a rascist, and it simply isn't funny. Am I terribly upset? Not really I just finally realized that what you say about tex applies quite heavily to YOU!!

Dude, you really need to chill. First, i don't think you even understand what racism is..it certainly isn't being fearful of minorities or even prejudiced.

You can't find one thing in that post that makes you out to be thinking you (whatever race you are..since it has never been declared) are superior based on race.

No, the joke was that you would be introduced to white folks and..NOTICE the adjective..scary minorities and eco freaks...those people on the fringe.

The point was that it would be a slow indoctrination.

BTW, i..and i doubt anyone else can figure out what the hell you are saying about you being to ignorant and too racist to be scared of minorities....i can't even figure out what you are trying to say.

Reverse it...you said i'm a conservative..you would then say...dont' worry, we won't introduce to big biz advocates and bible thumpers.

Would that mean i hate religious people...or feel i'm superior to them? Certainly not.

The implication is clear only in your mind. Methinks you doth protest too much.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

as in I'm too ignorant and rascist to not be scared of minorities.

ive read it a few times and maybe it's the recently smoked blunt but i dont understand this at all.. .

I was thinking the opposite..maybe i needed to be high to understand it.

What drug should i try as dope obviously won't help?