Jason Taylor one more time

[KYPack]

As time goes on. Taylor will be available at the right price. this move is against TT's religion, but I'd like to see it happen.

Read the comments of one of Taylor's current teammates:

Quentin Moses tried unsuccessfully to mimic Jason Taylor's long-arm technique forever, going back to his high school days.

When playing for Oakland early last season, Moses said his position coach had the defensive ends study film of Taylor's bread-and-butter pass rush move.

But as much as Moses studied the straight-arm shove used to shed an offensive tackle in pursuit of an opposing quarterback, he couldn't get it right until he received a few tutorials from the master himself.

"I learned more from Jason last year in the little bit I played behind him than I learned the whole time I've been playing the position," Moses said. "And I'm talking college and high school. He's such a mentor, tries to help people get better. And I never had to ask."


Even though Taylor's prolonged absence from the Dolphins' offseason work increases Moses' chances of making the 53-man roster, he would prefer to see the six-time Pro Bowl selection return as soon as possible. And he's not alone.

"It makes a big difference learning from someone who kind of knows the game, or a coach who might have played the game, and learning from one of the greatest to ever do it and is still doing it," said Moses, who had eight tackles and 1 1/2 sacks playing behind Taylor for the final eight games last season.

"Just technique-wise, it's the little secrets, like what to expect from a tackle, and the keys to go off," Moses said.

"He gives you little things to help you cheat, and that makes you become a better player. At least it did for me."


Taylor has played in the "Bates D" for years. He would help our current DLineman and maybe give Sanders some insight on how increase our D pressure with Blitzes. In addition, he's help Montgomery and the other young DE's, as well as getting some pressure himself. Our young team doesn't need a lot of low draft picks anymore, let's send one to Miami and land Taylor for our team. I think it's be a good move for us.

[LL2]

I'm all for it, and think he can help the Pack contend for the SB again this year.

[Packnut]

This team is at the point now where there is no need to stock up on draft picks anymore. I really hope Teddy realizes his mind set has to change. Now we need quality players, not numbers. Taylor is still a quality player.

Yep, he has may-be 2 years left of being an "impact" player. After that he'll be a an above average pass rushing specialist for a year. However, with all the young players we have, Taylor's value as a team leader and teacher could be invaluable.

I'd offer a 3 rd pick for him in a freakin blink of an eye and not even think twice about it.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Depends what the asking price is. Despite all of the reports, nobody really knows what the Dolphins are asking. They may decide that he doesn't have a ton of trade value and decide to keep him.

[cheesner]

This team is at the point now where there is no need to stock up on draft picks anymore. I really hope Teddy realizes his mind set has to change. Now we need quality players, not numbers. Taylor is still a quality player.

Yep, he has may-be 2 years left of being an "impact" player. After that he'll be a an above average pass rushing specialist for a year. However, with all the young players we have, Taylor's value as a team leader and teacher could be invaluable.

I'd offer a 3 rd pick for him in a freakin blink of an eye and not even think twice about it.
TTs philosophy is quantity AND quality players, the best of both worlds.

I don't know that Taylor is currently an 'impact' player. Although I think it would be great to have him teaching our youngsters, I don't feel he is that much of an upgrade at this point in his career. Couple that with a draft pick and a large salary, and the clear decision to me is to pass on him.

[Scott Campbell]

I still can't figure whether his heart is in football or Hollywood.

[hoosier]

I still can't figure whether his heart is in football or Hollywood.

Maybe that's because for him "football" has meant "Miami Dolphins." Pretty hard to get excited about that these days. Maybe a shift of scenery would do wonders for his motivation.

[Packnut]

This team is at the point now where there is no need to stock up on draft picks anymore. I really hope Teddy realizes his mind set has to change. Now we need quality players, not numbers. Taylor is still a quality player.

Yep, he has may-be 2 years left of being an "impact" player. After that he'll be a an above average pass rushing specialist for a year. However, with all the young players we have, Taylor's value as a team leader and teacher could be invaluable.

I'd offer a 3 rd pick for him in a freakin blink of an eye and not even think twice about it.
TTs philosophy is quantity AND quality players, the best of both worlds.

I don't know that Taylor is currently an 'impact' player. Although I think it would be great to have him teaching our youngsters, I don't feel he is that much of an upgrade at this point in his career. Couple that with a draft pick and a large salary, and the clear decision to me is to pass on him.

You have to take into the equation the exact situation in Miami before you determine how much he has left. OL's doubled and chipped him because he was the main threat from the Dolphin's D line.

He would not be facing that in GB with Kampman on the other side. Taylor would excel much more in our line than he will with Miami.

[The Leaper]

I still can't figure whether his heart is in football or Hollywood.

If football means playing for a Miami Dolphin franchise that is at least 3 years away from even being competitive again, then I can understand why Taylor has one eye on Hollywood.

I've said it before and I'll say it again...if you question Taylor's work ethic and desire, then find an example of something from his career that speaks to him giving less than 100%...especially in the last two years on a team that was putrid. The guy was the DPOY on a horrible team.

I don't see anything that would cause me any concern. You could have said the same thing about Woodson 2 years ago...and now the guy who thought he would despise Green Bay is spending his offseasons here.

Oakland/Miami are places where any football player would start wondering about his commitment level right now. Get a guy like Woodson or Taylor in Green Bay, and suddenly you'll see a whole different player.

[rbaloha1]

Trade for JT

Trade KGB

Move CJ to DT

Packers win the super bowl

[The Leaper]

However, with all the young players we have, Taylor's value as a team leader and teacher could be invaluable.

That's the key.

There is a big reason why guys like Jennings, Jones, Lee and Grant have been pleasant surprises. Actually...two reasons...Brett Favre and Donald Driver. Having those kind of leaders in the locker room help the young kids tremendously.

I also don't support dumping KGB if we get Taylor. I think there is room for both of them on this team. Rotating the DEs will provide just as much benefit as rotating the DTs...and you never know when injuries will mount. We can afford Taylor and KGB, so why not keep both?

Besides, KGB is basically untradeable considering his contract value. If we got anything, it would probably be a 7th round pick. Big whoop.

[Charles Woodson]

Trade KGB



For what.. How does this benefit us?

[bobblehead]

He pretty much has made it clear this is his last season barring some huge change of heart, so I can't see giving up more than a 4...and probably only a 5.

If we could pick him up for that you gotta figure his value then....Could he mentor montgomery or thompsan better than kampman...maybe, or not. Can he improve the team...I think so, let jenkins play a lot more tackle, but KGB has trouble finding a role this way.

I guess you can't have too many quality players and for a small price I wouldn't mind him in G&G, but I wouldn't go giving a 3rd for him.

[mission]

why is this like the fourth thread on this? you guys talk like this is something with even a little possibility.

no one has ever mentioned JT and the pack in the same sentence... there are a bunch of other teams who are a lot more aggressive (aka stupid ?) than TT...

hate to say it since im all for it, but this is never ever gonna happen.

[Chevelle2]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080618/PKR01/80618150/1058



The Packers recently made an exploratory inquiry with the Miami Dolphins, who are trying to decide what to do with the disgruntled Taylor

[woodbuck27]

Here's 'the old story'.


Trade Rumor: Jason Taylor to the Packers?

Saturday, March 1st, 2008 by DanZinski

The new hot rumor is that Miami Dolphins defensive end and Dancing With the Stars participant Jason Taylor will be traded to the Green Bay Packers for 2nd and a 4th round pick.

Taylor wants out of Miami, and Bill Parcells seems amenable to giving veterans their freedom. Plus Parcells wants to stockpile as many draft picks as possible.

On the other hand, Taylor is still a productive player, and if the Dolphins hope to even be respectable in 2008, they’re going to need some solid veteran players like him on-hand.

I don’t see why Taylor wouldn’t welcome a trade to Green Bay. Being an All-Pro defensive end who went to the Packers after having never won a championship worked out pretty well for Reggie White. And Brett Favre is still there to work the same magic for Taylor that he worked for Reggie.

comment woodbuck27:

Too many holes based on the above. Jason Taylor won't join our team this season and likely never.

[The Leaper]

He pretty much has made it clear this is his last season barring some huge change of heart, so I can't see giving up more than a 4...and probably only a 5.

Taylor has made it clear this is his last year IN MIAMI. I would think if he changed teams that his stance on that subject would be likely to change significantly. The guy, like any player, wants to win...especially when he knows he only has a few years left.

He ain't gonna win in Miami anytime soon.

[KYPack]

why is this like the fourth thread on this? you guys talk like this is something with even a little possibility.

no one has ever mentioned JT and the pack in the same sentence... there are a bunch of other teams who are a lot more aggressive (aka stupid ?) than TT...

hate to say it since im all for it, but this is never ever gonna happen.

Well, I started this one based on the quote by Quentin Moses . I found his comments interesting. Jason was one of the building blocks of the Jim Bates D. Bates had Taylor, lockdown corners and an active MLB in Zach Thomas. Jimbo mixed all these components together and came up with the system we now use.

Taylor might not fit every team out there. But man, he would really help us in a number of ways. TT doesn't add a lot of vets, but when he does sign an experienced player, they are guys like JT. Taylor could teach our young DE's a few things from his bag of tricks and would even help an old dog like KGB. Kabeer could stand to improve against the run and Taylor might be able to show him a thing or two. As far as the young DE's, Taylor could help them become 2 way DE's. Good against the run and applying wide pass rush. Taylor coyuld also help mold Cullen Jenckins into a guy who can spot at both RDT and RDE.

I don't think it will happen, I'd give it a 10% chance of coming together, but i think it would be a great move for our defense.

[packers11]

pft.com


PACKERS INQUIRE ABOUT TAYLOR
Posted by Mike Florio on June 18, 2008, 11:15 p.m.
The Green Bay Press-Gazette (via the Palm Beach Post) reports that the Green Bay Packers recently made an “exploratory inquiry” regarding the availability of Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor.

“Anytime you can get a guy of that caliber, you’d want to try to get him,” said Packers defensive tackles coach Bob Nunn, who was on the Dolphins’ staff from 2000 to 2002. “But I don’t get involved in anything like that.”

The real question is whether the Dolphins and the Packers could reach an agreement as to trade terms for a player who has publicly said that he plans to play only one more year.

And it would be ironic if the Packers finally acquired a guy who can make a Reggie White-style impact in the first year after the Hall of Fame quaterback who lobbied for such a move retired.

[KYPack]

GBPG says this....


Given that the Green Bay Packers desperately want to improve their pass rush this season, a late offseason trade for Jason Taylor can’t be completely ruled out.


With their high-priced pass-rush specialist Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila rehabilitating a surgically repaired knee, there’s added concern about the Packers’ ability to put the heat on opposing quarterbacks.

The Packers recently made an exploratory inquiry with the Miami Dolphins, who are trying to decide what to do with the disgruntled Taylor. In recent days, the Dolphins have indicated they’re interested in retaining Taylor, the defensive end who won the NFL’s defensive player of the year award in 2006.

Taylor, 33, appears to be more interested in playing for another team in 2008. He has said he would like to play one more year for a team that has a legitimate chance at a Super Bowl.

Working in the Packers’ favor is Taylor’s relationship with their defensive coordinator, Bob Sanders, and defensive tackles coach Robert Nunn. Both coached Taylor when they were on the Dolphins’ staff during the early 2000s. Neither Nunn nor Sanders would say whether they’d push for General Manager Ted Thompson to acquire Taylor, but both lauded him as a player.

“Anytime you can get a guy of that caliber, you’d want to try to get him,” said Nunn, who was with the Dolphins from 2000 to 2002. “But I don’t get involved in anything like that.

“All I know is that when I coached him, he was a great football player and a great person. I hope it works out for him because he’s had such a great career, and I’d hate to see it end on a bad note in the public’s eye. The guy is such an outstanding individual and a great football player, and I just hope for the best for Jason and hope it ends well, and he’s able to compete for a Super Bowl.”

Sanders continues to employ the same defensive scheme that the Dolphins used during his tenure there from 2001 to 2004 but wouldn’t comment on whether Taylor would be a good fit for the Packers.

“Ted does a great job with that,” Sanders said. “I yield to him on all those situations.”

The Packers lost seven of their 36 sacks from last season when Thompson traded defensive tackle Corey Williams to the Cleveland Browns this offseason. Defensive end Aaron Kampman led the Packers with 12 sacks, while Gbaja-Biamila added 9½ in his first season in the reduced role of pass-rush specialist. Gbaja-Biamila didn’t play much on obvious run downs but got the bulk of his snaps when Sanders used his nickel defense.

The Packers felt they got their money’s worth out of Gbaja-Biamila even though his base salary last season was $5 million.

“I thought I had a good year last year and helped the team and was effective in my new role,” Gbaja-Biamila said today. “I was able to be fresh for key situations. I expect the same role (this season). I don’t expect anything different.”

Gbaja-Biamila’s salary jumps to $6.15 million this year and $7.3 million in 2009 if he’s on the roster. He needed unexpected knee surgery on May 29 to repair a meniscus tear. He isn’t participating in this week’s minicamp, and it’s not a given that he’ll be healthy when training camp opens on July 28.

Without Gbaja-Biamila on the practice field, it has meant more time for defensive ends Michael Montgomery, Jason Hunter and rookie Jeremy Thompson. Also, Cullen Jenkins has played more at defensive tackle in part because of a rash of injuries to interior linemen.

If the Packers felt Gbaja-Biamila’s best days were behind him and didn’t think he was worth the money this season, they could dump him and go after Taylor, whose base salary this season is $7.5 million.

However, the Dolphins are believed to be seeking a second-round draft pick but might settle for a third- or fourth-round pick. That’s a high price for a player who has said he may play only one more season.

Thompson wouldn’t offer Oakland any more than a fifth-round pick last offseason for receiver Randy Moss, so it’s probably a long shot that he’d be willing to offer much more than that for a one-year player with a high salary.

If the Packers stand pat with their defensive line, they could consider using more of their blitz package, but Sanders still believes he has enough talent up front to pressure quarterbacks.

“I think it’s going to be very good,” Sanders said. “Aaron Kampman is in as good a shape as I’ve seen him. Mike Montgomery has gotten better. Kabeer had a tremendous number of pressures and a solid year in the sacks. A healthy Cullen Jenkins will really make a difference. With the addition of Jeremy, there’s a lot of potential for pass rush there.”

That's why a new thread. Everybody is talking about it again.

[bobblehead]

why is this like the fourth thread on this? you guys talk like this is something with even a little possibility.

no one has ever mentioned JT and the pack in the same sentence... there are a bunch of other teams who are a lot more aggressive (aka stupid ?) than TT...

hate to say it since im all for it, but this is never ever gonna happen.

Well, I started this one based on the quote by Quentin Moses . I found his comments interesting. Jason was one of the building blocks of the Jim Bates D. Bates had Taylor, lockdown corners and an active MLB in Zach Thomas. Jimbo mixed all these components together and came up with the system we now use.

Taylor might not fit every team out there. But man, he would really help us in a number of ways. TT doesn't add a lot of vets, but when he does sign an experienced player, they are guys like JT. Taylor could teach our young DE's a few things from his bag of tricks and would even help an old dog like KGB. Kabeer could stand to improve against the run and Taylor might be able to show him a thing or two. As far as the young DE's, Taylor could help them become 2 way DE's. Good against the run and applying wide pass rush. Taylor coyuld also help mold Cullen Jenckins into a guy who can spot at both RDT and RDE.

I don't think it will happen, I'd give it a 10% chance of coming together, but i think it would be a great move for our defense.

I think you overestimate JT's coaching ability, he may help mentor a bit, but its unlikely he is a better "trainer" than our current DL coach.

[BallHawk]

I'd say the chances are looking good that JT will be a Packer. Gut-feel but I think TT gets this done. It's all about the price, though. I could deal with a 2nd rounder, but I'd rather not give up a 4th.

[POLISHHAWK]

[quote="BallHawk"]I'd say the chances are looking good that JT will be a Packer. Gut-feel but I think TT gets this done. It's all about the price, though. I could deal with a 2nd rounder, but I'd rather not give up a 4th

Huh? :shock:

[BallHawk]

4th rounders are valuable. I think TT could get JT for a 2nd, period. Don't want the 'Fins squeezing extra picks outta us.

[DonHutson]

GBPG says this....


However, the Dolphins are believed to be seeking a second-round draft pick but might settle for a third- or fourth-round pick. That’s a high price for a player who has said he may play only one more season.

Thompson wouldn’t offer Oakland any more than a fifth-round pick last offseason for receiver Randy Moss, so it’s probably a long shot that he’d be willing to offer much more than that for a one-year player with a high salary.


Apples and oranges between Moss and Taylor. Taylor hasn't been a festering pile of suck for three years prior to the trade. Taylor has an impeccable record for keeping himself in shape and for being an ideal team mate. He's even handling his exit starategy far more delicately than most players would. There is no chance that Taylor comes in and destroys your team chemistry. There is simply far less risk involved in acquiring Taylor than in acquiring Moss last year.

The guy is two years removed from being the NFL Defensive Player of the Year. He produced at a high level last year on an awful team with no help around him. The only downside is the one more year thing. But it sounds like he's softening on that. If he commits to two more years, I'd give up a third in a heartbeat and I might even consider a second. In the long run, you'd likely come out ahead with the draft pick but there's a good chance Taylor could be a guy that puts you over the top for a title. That's well worth a roll of the dice.

[Zool]

Also Taylor has yet to say he used the Packers as leverage to go where he really wanted to go.

[The Leaper]

I can't see Thompson giving up 2 draft picks for Taylor...but I can see him giving up one pick. I'm guessing a 3rd round pick is eventually what it would take to snag Taylor...the Dolphins know they are rebuilding the next 2 years, and a draft pick is more valuable going forward than Taylor is.

[DonHutson]

Now Mort's on board. From espn.com:

Wolf influencing Taylor trade talks?

Thursday, June 19, 2008

The news that the Green Bay Packers have genuine interest in Miami Dolphins defensive end Jason Taylor makes so much sense that you can almost feel Ron Wolf's fingerprints on the speculated deal.

Wolf is the revered former Packers GM who mentored current GM Ted Thompson. Wolf is also a consultant for Bill Parcells, the Dolphins VP of football operations.

Wolf has long anquished over the lack of "deal-makers" in the NFL, past and present. There were a handful -- Parcells and Wolf among them -- but not enough. And even in retirement, Wolf has lamented the lack of risk-taking, if you can call it that, in quest of the ever-elusive Super Bowl ring.

Thompson has been more conservative than Wolf. He has cherished draft picks, seemingly obssessed with them. In his first four years as the Packers' GM, he had the mission of rebuilding a team with salary-cap issues. Now the Packers are $30 million under the cap, still one of the youngest teams in the NFL and coming off an appearance in the NFC Championship Game.

Now consider Thompson's possible vision for the next two years. Brett Favre is gone, and even though there is some confidence about Aaron Rodgers' ability to get the job done, nobody knows for sure. The Packers also have defensive end Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila coming off knee surgery. Their capable cornerbacks, Al Harris and Charles Woodson, are in their latter years. And Corey Williams, their best interior pass-rusher, was traded to Cleveland for a second-round draft pick after the team briefly halted his free-agent bid by placing the franchise tag on him.

A second-round pick also happens to be the Dolphins' asking price for Taylor. Can the Packers afford to give up next year's second-rounder? Probably. The pick Green Bay acquired in the Williams deal was one of three second-rounders the team used in this year's draft.

According to the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Thompson has had discussions with defensive coordinator Bob Sanders and defensive tackles coach Robert Nunn about Taylor. Both spent time coaching with the Dolphins before landing in Green Bay.

Taylor could fill a void at right defensive end, which would allow the team to move Cullen Jenkins to defensive tackle, filling the void left by Williams and also providing the depth the Packers need with former first-rounder Justin Harrell still plagued by injuries. Taylor playing on the opposite side of Pro Bowl DE Aaron Kampman would also allow Gbaja-Biamila to rehab without risk and provide the Packers with more verstaility.

What needs to happen to get the deal done? Taylor has to commit to playing at least two more years, as opposed to his "intentions" to play one more season, which could chill Thompson's desire to give up a second-round pick.

True, Taylor has played his entire career in the warmth of South Florida and sees his future in the paradise of Southern California.

Reggie White once sensed his destiny in Green Bay and saw it fulfilled with a Super Bowl championship.

You know who brought White to a place few players wanted to go? Wolf did in what was one of the stunning developments of free agency in the early '90s.

This one is worth watching.

[MadtownPacker]

With Taylor the defense will dominate IMO. Too many reason to do this and not a damn one not to. TT need to pull the trigger. Taylor will play two more years for sure. He just want to have a chance to win games. He will have that chance in GB.

[Packnut]

With Taylor the defense will dominate IMO. Too many reason to do this and not a damn one not to. TT need to pull the trigger. Taylor will play two more years for sure. He just want to have a chance to win games. He will have that chance in GB.

This is one of those rare trades that would be good for both sides. Miami is re-building and needs draft picks. We are only a piece or two away from solid SB contention (assuming Rodgers is an adequate QB).

GET THIS DONE!

[Pacopete4]

what do you think Favre is thinking as all this talk is happening?

[The Leaper]

I'm guessing Thompson doesn't want to give up a 2nd rounder...and is hoping he can get the Dolphins to accept a 3rd round pick.

IMO, he is probably right. A second round pick for a guy that is only likely to play 2 more years at most is a steep price...and the Dolphins really have very little leverage to get what they want. They either trade him for a pick now, or lose him to retirement after this year with nothing in return.

[The Leaper]

what do you think Favre is thinking as all this talk is happening?

I'm guessing Favre doesn't spend much time on the internet searching for news on the NFL. I'm guessing the chances are high that he doesn't even know who the Packers first draft pick was this year.

[mission]

ok, after reading the above ...


let's just say there's not a time that id rather love to be so wrong...

he would put us over the top, no doubt... id even consider a second. roll the dice, TT, roll em!

[Lurker64]

I think Jason Taylor on the Packers would probably improve this team less than Jared Allen will improve the Vikings. I'm not sure if "putting us over the top" is really the right way to phrase it.

He's a good player, but the fact that he's not likely to play much longer makes me leery about paying much for him. I would probably give up a third though.

[Tony Oday]

How about next years 1st rounder for Jason Taylor and their 2nd rounder? They will be terrible and that should give us what like the 33rd or 34th pick

[mission]

I'm not sure if "putting us over the top" is really the right way to phrase it

you're right. i just meant that it would make us a legit super bowl contender instead of a team that, i feel, would need everything to go right in order to win a super bowl (and is a year or two off with a new QB).

we'd still need a lot of things to go right, but i dont think it would be very surprising to the pundits if we were there at the end with JT on the squad.

[Bretsky]

I'm not going to get hopes high again and be disappointed

Highly highly unlikely TT trades a high enough pick away to get this down

This would be a very un TT like move

[Guiness]

How about next years 1st rounder for Jason Taylor and their 2nd rounder? They will be terrible and that should give us what like the 33rd or 34th pick

Good thought that, and it would allow the 'phins to save face (we got a first for him!). And those picks are just as likely to be one after another as anything else! :whist:

[bobblehead]

A 3 is possible since we will be picking near the end of the round (I hope). And that is a fair price especially if taylor says he'll play 2 seasons.

[MadtownPacker]

I'm guessing Thompson doesn't want to give up a 2nd rounder...and is hoping he can get the Dolphins to accept a 3rd round pick.

IMO, he is probably right. A second round pick for a guy that is only likely to play 2 more years at most is a steep price...and the Dolphins really have very little leverage to get what they want. They either trade him for a pick now, or lose him to retirement after this year with nothing in return.This is what Im hoping too. TT is too good with his 2nds anyways.

[Scott Campbell]

A 2nd rounder for a player his age seems kind of steep to me.

[rbaloha1]

reggie white=keith jackson=jason taylor=super bowl

a second round pic (btw was this the same round as keith jackson?) is a no brainer.

this new line rivals the 96 d-line. tt get it done. trade kgb.

[PackFan#1]

Thompson refused to trade a 4th for Randy Moss, so it is wishful to thinking he would trade a 2 for Taylor, who is past his prime. Ted Thompson loves draft picks more than anyone in the world. He likes the company of young men. Some people just can't stop smoking or drinking. Ted Thompson just can't stop smoking young men.

Thompson would trade Favre's rights for Taylor in an instant.

[Zool]

Thompson refused to trade a 4th for Randy Moss, so it is wishful to thinking he would trade a 2 for Taylor, who is past his prime. Ted Thompson loves draft picks more than anyone in the world. He likes the company of young men. Some people just can't stop smoking or drinking. Ted Thompson just can't stop smoking young men.

Thompson would trade Favre's rights for Taylor in an instant.

If you're gonna lie, at least make up new ones. Have you smoked yourself so retarded that you're like a record thats skipping?

Coldplay(screetch)Sherman Rules(screetch)TT sucks....repeat ad nauseum.
Get a new line or get scarce already.

[mission]

He likes the company of young men. Some people just can't stop smoking or drinking. Ted Thompson just can't stop smoking young men. .

thank god i only have two of those problems!!

[bobblehead]

He likes the company of young men. Some people just can't stop smoking or drinking. Ted Thompson just can't stop smoking young men. .

thank god i only have two of those problems!!

Yea, smoking will kill you, I don't smoke either. :)

[mission]

He likes the company of young men. Some people just can't stop smoking or drinking. Ted Thompson just can't stop smoking young men. .

thank god i only have two of those problems!!

Yea, smoking will kill you, I don't smoke either. :)

:lol:






:rs:

[woodbuck27]

what do you think Favre is thinking as all this talk is happening?

I'm guessing Favre doesn't spend much time on the internet searching for news on the NFL. I'm guessing the chances are high that he doesn't even know who the Packers first draft pick was this year.

I'd bet Favre's very interested and like us, is watching it all with real interest. :)

[woodbuck27]

Thompson refused to trade a 4th for Randy Moss, so it is wishful to thinking he would trade a 2 for Taylor, who is past his prime. Ted Thompson loves draft picks more than anyone in the world. He likes the company of young men. Some people just can't stop smoking or drinking. Ted Thompson just can't stop smoking young men.

Is that you Tank?

Thompson would trade Favre's rights for Taylor in an instant.

Must be. :)

[PackFan#1]

Yea, smoking will kill you, I don't smoke either. :)

By smoking I meant smoking fags (fag is British for cigarettes). I don't smoke fags either. Ted Thompson likes to smoke rookie fags.

I do like to smoke marijuana, but that's more like inhaling than smoking.

Now back to the thread topic before kypack, who is a the uptight, shortshighted narrow minded hypocrite, lose his cool.

[woodbuck27]

We should run a poll on this:

Will TT get this done or not?

[PackFan#1]

We should run a poll on this:

Will TT get this done or not?

Thompson will trade away his mother before he trades away a draft pick, imo.

[Charles Woodson]

We should run a poll on this:

Will TT get this done or not?

Or we could just have another poll on whether to ban Tank again!

[mission]

Yea, smoking will kill you, I don't smoke either. :)

By smoking I meant smoking fags (fag is British for cigarettes). I don't smoke fags either. Ted Thompson likes to smoke rookie fags.

I do like to smoke marijuana, but that's more like inhaling than smoking.

Now back to the thread topic before kypack, who is a the uptight, shortshighted narrow minded hypocrite, lose his cool.

i think you missed the joke there homie...

and as far as TT's mom goes... can we get JT for her? if so, i mean ... i personally dont have an issue with giving her up. :huh:

[Charles Woodson]

trade kgb.

I still dont get it, Why do we need to trade KGB?

[BallHawk]

trade kgb.

I still dont get it, Why do we need to trade KGB?

We don't and it's not possible and it's not logical.

Who can help us more, KGB or some future conditional draft pick? You can never have enough D-Lineman (as we learned the end of last season)

[texaspackerbacker]

I really hope the trade with the Dolphins doesn't happen.

I don't see Taylor as playing any better than the rotation we have in place right now. Giving up a second would be horrible. Giving up a third or even a fourth would be unnecessary and a bad move IMO for the slight if any step upward Taylor brings.

[Bretsky]

http://www.madison.com/wsj/home/sports/packers/292414

"PACKERS DEAL FOR JT FACING HURDLES" ...SEE ABOVE ARTICLE

[footballfever]

This deal will get done. So many unfair comparisons to Randy Moss in this thread. Randy Moss would have been a PR nightmare. The pulse of Packer nation is 100 percent for this trade for Jason Taylor, with Randy Moss we had a 50/50 split as far as wether or not to do it. JT is a standout player and personality and would certainly be a welcome addition in the locker room. I can understand the hesitancy on TT's part to rent a player for a year but the pros of this move are too outstanding not to do it. I'd put my life savings on this getting done.

[Fritz]

We should run a poll on this:

Will TT get this done or not?

Thompson will trade away his mother before he trades away a draft pick, imo.

He traded up to get that DE from Wake Forest in the draft. That required giving up a draft pick he owned inorder to move up.

He traded a sixth round pick for a running back in training camp last year.

Yes, TT values draft picks greatly. But he has traded away draft picks without trading away his mother.

[Tony Oday]

KGB is making 6 mil this year?! Wow, hey I still like him but thats a lot for a one move guy however I do like when he hits QBs so Memo to KGB....15 sacks or bust ;) hehe

[Gunakor]

I wouldn't give up a 2 for him, but maybe a 3 and definitely a 4 if the Fins went that low. I don't expect many 4th rounders would be around for more than a couple years anyway, unless he plays well beyond his draft position. Whereas right now, today, we are in position to make a run at that elusive SB victory. Taylor can help in that regard better than any 3rd or 4th round pick could, and the future of the franchise is in little jeopardy losing a 3 or a 4 due to the amount of youthful talent already on the roster.

When we were 4-12 and then 8-8 I routinely posted on JSO that when the team was ready to compete for a championship that we'd go ahead and make that trade or sign that free agent that would put us over the top (in response to posts denouncing Ted Thompson for his inactivity in the FA market). This is the type of trade or signing I was referring to, and the timing is right. I am ALL FOR a move to bring in JT for 2008.

[packers11]

ESPN's John Clayton considers a Jason Taylor-to-Green Bay trade unlikely.

Clayton seconds the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's report that talks with the Dolphins haven't gotten to the productive stage. Clayton also says GM Ted Thompson is more worried about upgrading at defensive tackle than end with projected starter Johnny Jolly and third DT Justin Harrell both injured.

Source: ESPN Insider

[Oscar]

I won't pretend to be an expert because I'm not.. Wouldn't it make sense to move Jenkins inside and bring in Taylor?? T.T. took the draft pick for an inside guy and now that's an area of concern?

[HarveyWallbangers]

ESPN's John Clayton considers a Jason Taylor-to-Green Bay trade unlikely.

Clayton seconds the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel's report that talks with the Dolphins haven't gotten to the productive stage. Clayton also says GM Ted Thompson is more worried about upgrading at defensive tackle than end with projected starter Johnny Jolly and third DT Justin Harrell both injured.

Source: ESPN Insider

What Clayton fails to realize is that trading for Taylor would improve DT--because Jenkins would move inside full-time. As it stands, we need Jenkins at RDE on early downs.

[The Leaper]

Clayton also says GM Ted Thompson is more worried about upgrading at defensive tackle than end with projected starter Johnny Jolly and third DT Justin Harrell both injured.

Clayton is a butt plug.

As was pointed out, signing Taylor would help the tackle position...as Jenkins would then become a full-time DT. With KGB also injured right now, I don't see how DE is any more secure than DT.

[bobblehead]

I'd put my life savings on this getting done.

All right your on....$12 says no trade.

[footballfever]

I'd put my life savings on this getting done.

All right your on....$12 says no trade.

It's a safe bet for me. I'm married, I own nothing I say nothing and I do nothing without her permission :P

[packers11]

Packers beat writer Greg Bedard puts the odds of Jason Taylor being traded to Green Bay at "10 to 20 percent."

Bedard says even that may be optimistic. Citing a source close to the player, ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that Taylor would likely consider playing beyond 2008 if dealt to Green Bay. But when it comes down to it, we can't see Packers GM Ted Thompson surrendering a first-day pick.

Source: Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

[HarveyWallbangers]

New report today says that Green Bay isn't one of the 12 teams that Taylor wants to be traded to. He apparently doesn't prefer Green Bay for 2 reasons: 1) no Brett Favre (he was in Miami when Marino retired), 2) he wants to stay close to Florida or California.

The second one, to me, tells me where his heart is at. The article also had scouts saying that his play really dropped off last year--despite his 11 sacks. One scout did say that it may because of how bad Miami was last year.

[twoseven]

I wonder what the odds are that Parcells trades JT to any team in the AFC or to his old buddies in Dallas. Maybe Tuna could care less where he goes if the compensation is right, and considering his team's chances of competing in the next 2-3 seasons are very low, but I still wonder if he's apt to strengthen a unit like NE, SD, JAX, or DAL in a trade considering rivalies and possible bad blood with the Cowboys.

[Patler]

What Clayton fails to realize is that trading for Taylor would improve DT--because Jenkins would move inside full-time. As it stands, we need Jenkins at RDE on early downs.

Jenkins was nothing special as a tackle when he played it full-time before. He had a decent pass rush, but was not strong against the run inside. He still lines up at tackle on passing downs now when they bring in KGB, so making him a "full-time" tackle just puts him inside on running downs, which was not his strength. Cole was preferred over Jenkins inside on running downs.

Jenkins best value is just where he is at right now, a DE on early downs and inside in passing situations.

Their "shortage" at DT, if there is even really one (we won't know until we see who is ready to play in training camp) will be solved only with a more classic DT than Jenkins is. Jenkins as a tackle wasn't all that different from Williams. Both might be best as a "big" DE that moves inside in passing situations.

[LL2]

What Clayton fails to realize is that trading for Taylor would improve DT--because Jenkins would move inside full-time. As it stands, we need Jenkins at RDE on early downs.

Jenkins was nothing special as a tackle when he played it full-time before. He had a decent pass rush, but was not strong against the run inside. He still lines up at tackle on passing downs now when they bring in KGB, so making him a "full-time" tackle just puts him inside on running downs, which was not his strength. Cole was preferred over Jenkins inside on running downs.

Jenkins best value is just where he is at right now, a DE on early downs and inside in passing situations.

Their "shortage" at DT, if there is even really one (we won't know until we see who is ready to play in training camp) will be solved only with a more classic DT than Jenkins is. Jenkins as a tackle wasn't all that different from Williams. Both might be best as a "big" DE that moves inside in passing situations.

I agree with your assesment on Jenkins. He's better at DE. I think the odds of Taylor coming to GB are pretty slim too. I wonder what kind of ability the new Thompson kid has? He's probably a 2-3 year prospect though.

[Fritz]

Clayton also says GM Ted Thompson is more worried about upgrading at defensive tackle than end with projected starter Johnny Jolly and third DT Justin Harrell both injured.

Clayton is a butt plug.

As was pointed out, signing Taylor would help the tackle position...as Jenkins would then become a full-time DT. With KGB also injured right now, I don't see how DE is any more secure than DT.


Leaper, come on. Please. Clayton is NOT a butt plug. He simply wears one 24/7.

[HarveyWallbangers]

What Clayton fails to realize is that trading for Taylor would improve DT--because Jenkins would move inside full-time. As it stands, we need Jenkins at RDE on early downs.

Jenkins was nothing special as a tackle when he played it full-time before. He had a decent pass rush, but was not strong against the run inside. He still lines up at tackle on passing downs now when they bring in KGB, so making him a "full-time" tackle just puts him inside on running downs, which was not his strength. Cole was preferred over Jenkins inside on running downs.

Jenkins best value is just where he is at right now, a DE on early downs and inside in passing situations.

Their "shortage" at DT, if there is even really one (we won't know until we see who is ready to play in training camp) will be solved only with a more classic DT than Jenkins is. Jenkins as a tackle wasn't all that different from Williams. Both might be best as a "big" DE that moves inside in passing situations.

Yeah, that's probably true, but I guess I see getting Taylor as helping the DTs. Right now, we are lacking somebody to rush on the inside where Williams was on passing downs. If we acquired Taylor, we could line Taylor and KGB up on the outside and move Kampman and Jenkins inside. I know Kampman isn't huge, but he plays big and I think he could handle the role. That would be a pretty good combination on passing downs. I also don't remember Jenkins being that bad against the run. Cole played more as a normal rotation player. He wasn't somebody that just went in there on early downs. He's not that big either, and isn't a prototypical run stuffer. If nothing else, Jenkins gives you the security of knowing he could play full-time DT if Harrell doesn't pan out, Pickett gets injured, or Jolly doesn't play as well as he did early last year. So, I do see signing Taylor as helping the DT situation. Right now, we need him at DE on early downs. If we acquired Taylor, that need goes away.

[KYPack]

I'd have to give a BZZZT on moving Kampman inside. We are having some injury problems this off-season at DT, but moving a great pass rushing LDE to DT ain't any kind of a solution for that.

[Patler]

Yeah, that's probably true, but I guess I see getting Taylor as helping the DTs. Right now, we are lacking somebody to rush on the inside where Williams was on passing downs. If we acquired Taylor, we could line Taylor and KGB up on the outside and move Kampman and Jenkins inside. I know Kampman isn't huge, but he plays big and I think he could handle the role. That would be a pretty good combination on passing downs. I also don't remember Jenkins being that bad against the run. Cole played more as a normal rotation player. He wasn't somebody that just went in there on early downs. He's not that big either, and isn't a prototypical run stuffer. If nothing else, Jenkins gives you the security of knowing he could play full-time DT if Harrell doesn't pan out, Pickett gets injured, or Jolly doesn't play as well as he did early last year. So, I do see signing Taylor as helping the DT situation. Right now, we need him at DE on early downs. If we acquired Taylor, that need goes away.

I have real doubts about Kampman being able to generate much of a pass rush from a tackle position. While Kampman is neither extremely quick, nor extremely powerful, he seems to have a combination of quickness and power that works very well when he is moved out wide and has space to work against a tackle. I think he would get swallowed up inside at defensive tackle.

I wasn't pushing Cole as an answer at DT, just saying he was a better option against the run than Jenkins was before Jenkins moved outside. No reason to think Jenkins is any better at tackle now than he was then.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I'd have to give a BZZZT on moving Kampman inside. We are having some injury problems this off-season at DT, but moving a great pass rushing LDE to DT ain't any kind of a solution for that.

I'm saying this could be done on obvious passing downs. You wouldn't want to do it full-time. And this is only if they acquire Taylor and KGB is healthy. I'm not sure what else you'd do. KGB would become pretty useless (a guy to spell other guys when they are gassed) if everyone's healthy. KGB, Kampman, Jenkins, and Taylor would be a scary pass rushing unit. I believe they've already played him at DT on occasion in the past. Maybe it isn't a great idea, but I wouldn't put it past Kampman to do well in the role.

[KYPack]

I'd have to give a BZZZT on moving Kampman inside. We are having some injury problems this off-season at DT, but moving a great pass rushing LDE to DT ain't any kind of a solution for that.

I'm saying this could be done on obvious passing downs. You wouldn't want to do it full-time. And this is only if they acquire Taylor and KGB is healthy. I'm not sure what else you'd do. KGB would become pretty useless (a guy to spell other guys when they are gassed) if everyone's healthy. KGB, Kampman, Jenkins, and Taylor would be a scary pass rushing unit. I believe they've already played him at DT on occasion in the past. Maybe it isn't a great idea, but I wouldn't put it past Kampman to do well in the role.

Yeah, right. I'd say any of these other defensive sets would be of the change of pace variety. I'd leave Aaron at his LDE spot and come up with a solid down 4 of rushers that would create probelems. Even in a situation substitiution context, I'd leave Kamp right where he belongs. KGB is an effective pass rusher if healthy, but that's all he has left. i'd assume if Taylor was acquired. Kabeer might just be gone.

[vince]

A few of the comments on PFT are comical... from non-packer fans no less!

J.T. Too Big for G.B. (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/06/21/jt-too-big-for-gb/)


GeauxSaints12 says:
Lol i guess he doesn’t want to play for a good team like he said a couple of months ago.

nerdmann says:
If it’s true, hell with him. Could be angling for more money, but good luck with that when negotiating with Ted Thompson. Anyway, why give up one of TT’s highly valued draft pics for a guy that is only gonna play a year? Cullen Jenkins is very good at DE. Our DTs will get healthy. Except maybe Harrell, but Daniel Muir looks like a player too. Dude probably doesn’t want to play in the cold.

jyernberg says:
i dont se why GB being a small market would be such a big deal. he doesnt think that he would get a ton of coverage being in GB? i think he would. oh well, have fun playing for a crappy dolphins squad next year, and then being in some stupid movies where everyone says your a bad actor and should have stayed in football. we can roll with kampman jenkins jolly and KGB.

bpenlandjr says:
As a Dol-Fan, I am not at all happy with JT. This is the guy who I truly always believed in. He is a great player, but it seems his ego has taken over. Too bad, I always thought he was a “good guy”, but now he seems to have turned into a real meat head. I say good riddence (spellcheck??), and don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!

deddyluger says:
Dude was on some stupid dancing tv show.

Forum cop says:
Hey Jason take your a$$ and stay the F*** out of football you arrogant piece of SH**!!!! I’m not even a Packer fan either!

schaboo says:
what a dumbass. The8ir might be bigger markets, but, there is no better place to in a championship. Reggie came here. JT…get a clue

artvandelay says:
JT is a loser.

Favre2Driver says:
It’s funny because Charles Woodson said the same thing a few years ago and now, not only does he like it in Green Bay, but he’s playing for a team that almost went to the Superbowl last year and has a shot to contend far into the playoffs again this year.

Mactator says:
If this is true, it speaks volume of why he has never won a championship. I guess that dancing with the stars crap go to his head. Another talent that will rapidly be forgotten.

afiresnake says:
Maybe he did hit his head in a motorcycle accident previously undisclosed?

[packers11]

Parcells will not give him to a AFC team that is a contender and he will not give him to Dallas...

So mark off most of the teams on JT's list... Have fun playing in Miami for the next 1-2 years of your career and go retire without a ring... :)

[mission]

god damn i dont wanna be (originally) right on this one.. i hate these "anti" posts

but hey, i thought randy moss was a done deal and nearly went berserker that "dreadful sunday mornin" so hopefully im wrong again!

[Lurker64]

I don't really want any part of any player who doesn't want to be part of the Packers.

[Patler]

I'd have to give a BZZZT on moving Kampman inside. We are having some injury problems this off-season at DT, but moving a great pass rushing LDE to DT ain't any kind of a solution for that.

I'm saying this could be done on obvious passing downs. You wouldn't want to do it full-time. And this is only if they acquire Taylor and KGB is healthy. I'm not sure what else you'd do. KGB would become pretty useless (a guy to spell other guys when they are gassed) if everyone's healthy. KGB, Kampman, Jenkins, and Taylor would be a scary pass rushing unit. I believe they've already played him at DT on occasion in the past. Maybe it isn't a great idea, but I wouldn't put it past Kampman to do well in the role.

Yeah, right. I'd say any of these other defensive sets would be of the change of pace variety. I'd leave Aaron at his LDE spot and come up with a solid down 4 of rushers that would create probelems. Even in a situation substitiution context, I'd leave Kamp right where he belongs. KGB is an effective pass rusher if healthy, but that's all he has left. i'd assume if Taylor was acquired. Kabeer might just be gone.

Assuming the Packers have a good team this year, and fourth quarter leads putting opponents in passing situations, having thee strong rushing DEs to rotate is not a bad idea. KGB and Taylor are old enough that they may not be able to go full out play after play during a long drive. Even Kampman could probably benefit from a couple plays off in a long pass-heavy drive. Reggie White would pull himself out for a few plays the last couple seasons in GB when a team passed down after down. A couple times it seemed like the worst times, but he just needed the rest. The Packers could rotate three, keeping everyone fresh in those situations.

Of course, maybe Thompson will be able to provide that type of relief while being a player to develop as a KGB replacement.

[DonHutson]

I'd be all for acquiring the guy, if he wanted to play here. There's no such thing as too many good pass rushers. He'd be a great fit.

But if he's got one, maybe two, years left to win a ring and he's still worried about market size, the weather, and that kind of shit... well, I can live without him too.

[Carolina_Packer]

Acquiring JT is not likely at this point since the Pack won't be able to get him cheap (4th rounder is unlikely), and trading for him and giving up a 2nd rounder doen't make sense if he's only playing for one more year. I'm not saying they wouldn't benefit from having him, the price is just too high.

[footballfever]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/wcStory?contentId=8118850#story=8277036

this was on a list of top 9 nfl moves that have to be made right now. Jason Taylor to the Packers was listed number 1! Do it already TT!

[Guiness]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/wcStory?contentId=8118850#story=8277036

this was on a list of top 9 nfl moves that have to be made right now. Jason Taylor to the Packers was listed number 1! Do it already TT!

The moron who wrote the article lost me with this line:

A line of Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Justin Harrell and Taylor would be one of the best defensive fronts in the entire league.
Idiot

[Zool]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/wcStory?contentId=8118850#story=8277036

this was on a list of top 9 nfl moves that have to be made right now. Jason Taylor to the Packers was listed number 1! Do it already TT!

The moron who wrote the article lost me with this line:

A line of Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Justin Harrell and Taylor would be one of the best defensive fronts in the entire league.
Idiot

Heh...maybe he confused Pickett with a draft pick?

[Bretsky]

I'd give a 4th for him and probably not more; we're in a transition period and I'm not convinced adding JT gets us to the Super Bowl. Maybe TT has faith his boy AROD is ready for the SB run; if that is the case I would not complain if TT parted with a 3rd.

[MJZiggy]

And how would you know if that were the case so you'd know whether to complain about it or not.

[Bretsky]

And how would you know if that were the case so you'd know whether to complain about it or not.

Seeing I'm in favor of trying to win a title at the present time, I will not complain regardless of what TT gives away for a proven playmaker. If it's a beloved draft pick I'll have faith TT will not give away too much.

Seeing I don't see us as close as many do in here to the Super Bowl, I also won't complain if TT does nothing at all.

We'll go through some transition so whatever.

How's that for a change of tune ?

[twoseven]

And how would you know if that were the case so you'd know whether to complain about it or not.

Seeing I'm in favor of trying to win a title at the present time, I will not complain regardless of what TT gives away for a proven playmaker. If it's a beloved draft pick I'll have faith TT will not give away too much.

Seeing I don't see us as close as many do in here to the Super Bowl, I also won't complain if TT does nothing at all.

We'll go through some transition so whatever.

How's that for a change of tune ?
Nice try..next thing, you'll be telling us that big boobs and hot lesbo action makes you feel ill and full of embarassed shame.

[Tarlam!]

I will not complain regardless of what TT gives away for a proven playmaker. If it's a beloved draft pick I'll have faith TT will not give away too much.

Seeing I don't see us as close as many do in here to the Super Bowl, I also won't complain if TT does nothing at all.

We'll go through some transition so whatever.

How's that for a change of tune ?

Who are you and what have you done with Bretsky??