My Assessment of what spots/position are really OPEN in TC.

[woodbuck27]

Pos. No. Name Ht Wt Age Exp. College Acquired
OFFENSE

**** designates my choices 'as LOCKS' to make Our team.

OFFENSIVE LINE

T 71 Kevin Barry 6-4 332 26 5 Arizona FA-02
T 67 Josh Bourke 6-7 314 20 R Grand Valley State FA-06
T 76 Chad Clifton **** 6-5 330 29 7 Tennessee D2-00
T/G 73 Daryn Colledge **** 6-4 299 24 R Boise State D2a-06
G 62 Junius Coston **** 6-3 317 22 2 North Carolina A&T D5a-05
T/G 70 Adrian Klemm 6-4 318 29 7 Hawaii UFA-05 (NE)
C 61 Wayne Lucier 6-4 315 26 3 Colorado FA-06
T/G 75 Tony Moll 6-5 308 22 R Nevada D5b-06
G/C 72 Jason Spitz **** 6-4 313 23 R Louisville D3b-06
T 65 Mark Tauscher **** 6-4 315 28 7 Wisconsin D7a-00
G/C 69 Pete Traynor 6-3 311 26 1 Iowa FA-06
C 63 Scott Wells **** 6-2 304 25 3 Tennessee FA-04 (D7-04)
C 68 Chris White 6-2 285 23 2 Southern Mississippi FA-05
G 78 William Whitticker 6-5 338 23 2 Michigan State D7b-05

Three (3) more player out of seven to make the OL. Note: T Kevin Barry is likely out for the Season.

( Total = 3 of 19 spots, that are really open to make OUR team or 16 spots remain )


QUARTERBACK

QB 17 Tom Arth 6-3 227 25 1 John Carroll FA-06
QB 4 Brett Favre **** 6-2 222 36 16 Southern Mississippi T-92 (Atl)
QB 7 Ingle Martin 6-2 220 23 R Furman D5a-06
QB 12 Aaron Rodgers **** 6-2 223 22 2 California D1-05
QB 10 Brian Wrobel 6-2 197 24 1 Winona State FA-06


We need a third string QB. (Total = 4 of 19)



RUNNING BACK

RB 32 Arliss Beach 5-10 219 22 R Kentucky FA-06
FB 43 Ben Brown 6-1 246 20 R Tabor College FA-06
FB 40 A.J. Cooper 6-1 240 22 R North Dakota State FA-06
RB 44 Najeh Davenport **** 6-1 247 27 5 Miami (Fla.) D4-02
RB 35 Samkon Gado **** 5-10 226 23 2 Liberty University FA-05
RB 30 Ahman Green **** 6-0 218 29 9 Nebraska T-00 (Sea)
FB 33 William Henderson **** 6-1 252 35 12 North Carolina D3b-95
RB 23 Noah Herron 5-11 224 24 2 Northwestern FA-05
FB 48 Vonta Leach 6-0 250 24 3 East Carolina FA-04
RB 42 Chaz Williams 5-9 210 23 2 Georgia Southern FA-05

add one more SB and FB ( Total = 6 of 19)

There is some flexibility here as we can cut down one player for the RB/FB position if say Najeh Davenport can work both positions.


TIGHT END

TE 49 Zac Alcorn 6-4 260 25 R Black Hills State FA-06
TE 47 Garrett Cross 6-4 245 23 R California FA-05
TE 88 Bubba Franks **** 6-6 265 28 7 Miami (Fla.) D1-00
TE 84 Tory Humphrey 6-2 257 23 1 Central Michigan FA-05
TE 86 Donald Lee 6-4 248 25 4 Mississippi State FA-05
TE 87 David Martin 6-4 265 27 6 Tennessee D6-01

We need two (2) more TE's. (Total = 8 of 19)



WIDE RECEIVER

WR 83 Marc Boerigter 6-3 220 28 5 Hastings UFA-06 (KC)
WR 8 Leo Bookman 6-2 212 24 R Kansas FA-06
WR 19 Vince Butler 6-0 195 25 1 Northwestern Oklahoma State FA-06
WR 80 Donald Driver **** 6-0 190 31 8 Alcorn State D7b-99
WR 89 Robert Ferguson 6-1 210 26 6 Texas A&M D2-01
WR 13 Chris Francies 6-1 193 23 R Texas-El Paso FA-06
WR 82 Rod Gardner 6-2 215 28 6 Clemson W-05 (Car)
WR 85 Greg Jennings **** (also some ST's) 5-11 197 22 R Western Michigan D2b-06
WR Chad Lucas 6-1 201 24 1 Alabama State FA-06
WR 18 Ruvell Martin 6-4 217 23 1 Saginaw Valley State FA-06
WR/KR 81 Cory Rodgers **** ( doubling on ST's) 6-0 186 23 R Texas Christian D4a-06
WR 6 Calvin Russell 6-0 190 20 R Tuskegee FA-06

If we go with 6 WR's as HC Mike McCarthy implied, then we need three (3) more WR's. I see us with only 5 actve WR's on the 53-man roster unless we cut down elsewhere. Given that ,we do 'in fact' go with 6 WR's.

(Total = 11 of 19)

That leaves only 8 spots open on " D " and ST 's.


DEFENSE


DEFENSIVE LINE

DT 97 Kenderick Allen 6-5 328 27 4 Louisiana State FA-06
DT 90 Colin Cole **** 6-2 325 25 2 Iowa FA-04
DE 94 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila **** 6-4 250 28 7 San Diego State FA-00 (D5a-00)
DE 57 Jason Hunter 6-4 243 20 R Appalachian State FA-06
DT/DE 77 Cullen Jenkins **** 6-3 290 25 3 Central Michigan FA-04
DT 93 Johnny Jolly 6-3 317 23 R Texas A&M D6a-06
DE 74 Aaron Kampman **** 6-4 278 26 5 Iowa D5a-02
DE 96 Michael Montgomery **** 6-5 275 22 2 Texas A&M D6a-05
DE 64 Montez Murphy 6-6 256 20 R Baylor FA-06
DT 67 Jerome Nichols 6-3 285 24 1 Wake Forest FA-06
DE/DT 98 Kenny Peterson 6-3 285 27 4 Ohio State D3-03
DT 79 Ryan Pickett **** 6-2 322 26 5 Ohio State UFA-06 (StL)
DE 91 Dave Tollefson 6-4 255 25 R Northwest Missouri St. D7-06
DT 95 Donnell Washington 6-6 328 25 3 Clemson D3b-04
DT 99 Corey Williams **** 6-4 313 25 3 Arkansas State D6-04

We have room to add (2) more Defensive Lineman.

( Total = 13 of 19 )


LINEBACKER

LB 56 Nick Barnett **** 6-2 232 25 4 Oregon State D1-03
LB 52 Kurt Campbell 6-1 227 23 2 Albany D7a-05
LB 46 Tim Goodwell 6-0 243 22 R Memphis FA-06
LB 50 A.J. Hawk **** 6-1 246 22 R Ohio State D1-06
LB 55 Abdul Hodge **** 6-0 236 23 R Iowa D3a-06
LB 54 Roy Manning 6-2 245 24 2 Michigan FA-05
LB 51 Brady Poppinga 6-3 245 26 2 Brigham Young D4b-05
LB 53 Byron Santiago 6-1 242 20 R Louisiana Tech FA-06
LB 47 Kevin Schimmelmann 6-3 228 20 R Stanford FA-06
LB 58 Ben Taylor **** 6-2 238 27 5 Virginia Tech UFA-06 (Cle.)
LB 59 Tracy White 6-0 236 25 4 Howard FA-06

Add two more LBers. ( total = 15 of 19)



SECONDARY

S 40 Atari Bigby 5-11 211 24 1 Central Florida FA-05
CB 27 Will Blackmon 6-0 198 21 R Boston College D4b-06
S 24 Tra Boger 5-11 210 22 R Tulane FA-06
CB 28 Ahmad Carroll **** 5-10 190 22 3 Arkansas D1-04
S 36 Nick Collins **** 5-11 200 22 2 Bethune-Cookman D2a-05
S 29 Tyrone Culver 6-1 200 22 R Fresno State D6b-06
CB 34 Patrick Dendy 6-0 190 24 2 Rice FA-05
CB 39 Therrian Fontenot 5-11 187 23 1 Fresno State FA-05
CB 31 Al Harris **** 6-1 185 31 9 Texas A&M-Kingsville T-03 (Phil)
CB 37 Mike Hawkins 6-1 180 22 2 Oklahoma D5b-05
CB 26 Jason Horton 6-0 190 26 3 North Carolina A&T FA-04
S 22 Marquand Manuel **** 6-0 209 26 5 Florida UFA-06 (Sea)
S 20 Mark Roman 5-11 201 29 7 Louisiana State UFA-04 (Cin)
S 25 Marviel Underwood 5-10 197 24 2 San Diego State D4a-05
CB 41 Jerron Wishom 6-0 197 24 2 Louisiana Tech FA-05
CB 21 Charles Woodson **** 6-1 208 29 9 Michigan UFA-06 (Oak.)

Add two more CB's and one more safety . ( Total = 18 of 19)


SPECIAL TEAMS

K 2 Billy Cundiff 6-1 201 26 5 Drake FA-06
LS 60 Rob Davis 6-3 284 37 11 Shippensburg FA-97
LS 45 Thomas Gafford 6-2 252 23 R Houston FA-06
K 16 Dave Rayner 6-2 210 23 2 Michigan State W-06 (Ind.)
WR/KR 81 Cory Rodgers **** 6-0 186 23 R Texas Christian D4a-06
P 9 Jon Ryan **** 6-0 202 24 1 University of Regina (Canada) FA-06
P 11 B.J. Sander 6-4 218 25 3 Ohio State
D3c-04

Add a kicker.

Total = 19 of 19 spots to be won in competition for a total Roster of 53 men.Of those 19 players chosen, consideration has to be given to OUR ST needs.

**** My choices as locks and that total = 34 players which leaves only 19 ++ spots open, on OUR 53 man Roster in the competition.

++ note : That is , if I'm correct in my analysis.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I would add Brady Poppinga, Roy Manning and Kenny Peterson as locks.

Also, Roman will be back as #2 at least.

[woodbuck27]

I would add Brady Poppinga, Roy Manning and Kenny Peterson as locks.

Also, Roman will be back as #2 at least.


Yup ! I wouldn't bet against any of those choices either HH.

I'm pulling for Popp to have an injury free TC and Season and certainly Peterson is growing with the team, and Manning came on with a bang last season.

[The Leaper]

I'm pretty sure Ingle Martin is going to be a lock at #3 QB as well. I don't see us bringing in anyone else...and Martin is far more talented than the other guys.

[Fritz]

My guess is that they'll put Poppinga on the PUP (like that alliteration?) so they can give a young guy a chance early in the season. It's a way of keeping an extra player for a six week tryout.

[Deputy Nutz]

Roman ain't no lock to make this team. If he has a poor training camp and if Underwood makes any progress from last year then Roman is going to be shown the door to make room for Culver.

Lets look at open positions.

Left guard is pretty much a done deal with Colledge

Right guard has been handed to Coston at the moment, but Spitz could just as easily take it away.

Center, hopefully this is going to be a battle in training camp. White, Wells, and Spitz will be intrenched in a war for the number 1 spot. Most likely Wells will come out on top but White was so impressive last year in training camp he made the active roster. The kid has talent, just not the size. Spitz is going to make an impact some where on the offensive line, and Spitz will battle to be a starter as a rookie, but in reality his value will be in his flexiblity at center and guard.

Wide reciever, all but Donald Driver has a spot on this football team. Sometimes all I hear on this forum is Rod Gardner this and Rod Gardner that, but the truth is the guy has proved very little in this league other than he has a cracked egg for a brain when things aren't going well for him. He is a typical Clemson player, looks like Tarzan and plays like Jane. The fact is, Ferguson has the spot as the second wide out right now and everyone else is going to be chasing him. The race might not be real long if Ferguson proves once again that he can't stay on the field because he is brittle. It will also be short if he can't stay on the same page with #4. Boerichter might be the veteran with the most to lose. He has two young cats in Jennings and Martin on his heels and if he can't break away from atleast Martin and Rodgers then he is going to be shipped to the Canadian Football League. Martin and Rodgers will most likely be fighting it out for the 6th spot. Yes, I think this team is going to carry 6 wide outs on their roster because of the injury situation that hit them last year at this position. Rodgers was a fourth round selection but he has yet to impress anyone as a wide receiver, or for that matter as a punt returner on special teams. McCarthy wants Packer People and guys that get into gang fights and discharge hand guns might not fit that bill.

Defensive tackle, Ryan Pickett has all but shored up his starting spot, but at the Eagle tackle, Colin Cole, Cullen Jenkins, and Cory Williams will be in a dog fight through out training camp for the starting position. All are going to be guaranteed at least 20 snaps a game, but it will come down to who protects the linebackers better, and who can clog the middle by taking up the most blockers. Right now I would tip my hat to Collin Cole in accomplishing that feat.

Strong Side Linebacker, Right now Ben Taylor is running with the #1s and that will most likely be the case until the pre-season. It is his job to lose, and the coaching staff looks in no hurry to move Hodge or Barnett to the strong side. Poppinga could push Taylor, but he is still months away from being able to actually play football. Manning was impressive in training camp last year, but tailed off when the regular season began. He hit the rookie wall in the first week of the season.

Nickel Back, Carroll is still leaps and bounds ahead of Hawkins, but Hawkins has the speed and quickness that very few football players have. He is a elite athlete, but his technique is still terrible. Carroll is a perfect fit for the nickel spot, he can lock down in the slot. Hopefully he can make good on his commitment to growth of maturity.

Strong Safety, Manuel is not running with the first unit, but is that because they are just apeasing Roman right now, or is it because of the injury suffered in the Super Bowl? Either way Manuel should come away with the starting job by the end of the pre season, hopefully Roman will put his energy into putting the stamp on fools instead of running his mouth about competition.

Punter, Sander was the worst draft pick in the last 10 years. Drafting a punter in the third round will get you fired, picking a punter in the third round that has done nothing but struggle will get you shipped off to Houston as a offensive quality control coach. Ryan has out punted Sanders in the OTAs but that doesn't mean much, Ryan has to prove he can be consistent through training camp and during pre-season games. If Ryan can do that then it will be hard for Sander to keep his job.

[Scott Campbell]

Excellent thread Woody.

Observations:

I don't think Najeh is a "lock" yet because of his injury history.

I don't think Cory Rodgers is a lock either because he's really struggled fielding kicks so far, and I don't think he'll make the team just as a WR.

Woodson might be the 6th receiver MM was referring to. It frees up a roster spot. Except the guy needs to show up and learn the playbook at some point.

Otherwise I'm in agreement.

[woodbuck27]

Excellent thread Woody.

Observations:

I don't think Najeh is a "lock" yet because of his injury history.

I don't think Cory Rodgers is a lock either because he's really struggled fielding kicks so far, and I don't think he'll make the team just as a WR.

Woodson might be the 6th receiver MM was referring to. It frees up a roster spot. Except the guy needs to show up and learn the playbook at some point.

Otherwise I'm in agreement.

Thanks Scott:

When I did my assessment I didn't factor in 'the injury factor' as that is adversity, that is difficult enough to deal with in the normal season.

I like Cory Rodgers chances alot because first, although there's not alot invested in him, he is a 4th Rd. draft pick and I believe selected more for his ability to play ST's as a KO and punt return specialist as a WR. He is the man to replace Antonio Chatman and CB/WR Will Blackmon will get that same consideration as well.


"Woodson might be the 6th receiver MM was referring to. It frees up a roster spot. Except the guy needs to show up and learn the playbook at some point. " SC


Good point Scott. Rod Woodson ( Special Assignment - WR) I missed that one, not back on this stuff a week yet. I indeed hope it's wide open, straight up and fair in the WR competition to give Favre some real weapons this Season.

[gbpackfan]

CORY RODGERS IS FAR FROM A LOCK!

[woodbuck27]

CORY RODGERS IS FAR FROM A LOCK!

haha ! Maybe your thoughts are that he may be better - LOCKED UP ?

[woodbuck27]

Nutz:

That assessment of your is really solid as I see it. I wasn't aware that Marquand Manuel is somewhat hampered by injury still.

It will be interesting to see if S Marviel Underwood can lay on some smashing hits in the TC Ex. Series and 'in fact' overtake Mark Roman. I havn't read too much positive to date on S Tyrone Culver.

[KYPack]

Nutz,

I think Wells has the center spot pretty well locked. He is small, but he'd be the one who can run the field in any Zone schemes.

Have you seen or heard much about Moll?If we have a good year, we are gonna need one of these kids to come out of nowhere and play up a storm. I'm already counting on the top picks like Hawk & Colledge. I'd like 2-3 more like Spitz or Moll to come out of the blue and do the job for us.

[woodbuck27]

Nutz,

I think Wells has the center spot pretty well locked. He is small, but he'd be the one who can run the field in any Zone schemes.

Have you seen or heard much about Moll?If we have a good year, we are gonna need one of these kids to come out of nowhere and play up a storm. I'm already counting on the top picks like Hawk & Colledge. I'd like 2-3 more like Spitz or Moll to come out of the blue and do the job for us.

From what we have so far on Tony Moll he has to pick it up KYPack, but TC is 7 weeks away. He had a couple of false starts that got the fiery Jags upset, is all I've read on him to date.

Oh . . . . he's got to get a helmet on that head 'real fast'.

[RashanGary]

I liked Nutz post too.

I wouldnt' say Henderson is a lock. Leach and Brown are both good prospects at the position IMO. I think Henderson is going to have to really show he hasn't lost anything.

[woodbuck27]

I liked Nutz post too.

I wouldnt' say Henderson is a lock. Leach and Brown are both good prospects at the position IMO. I think Henderson is going to have to really show he hasn't lost anything.

We certainly need someone at FB who can take the short pass and move down field for those 6-8 yard gains to pick up those third and longs.I want a FB that seldom miss's on that short swing pass, that gets us those drive savers in the clutch.

[Guiness]

I agree with the guy from Bountiful about Rodgers and Davenport - not locks.

HH why would Manning be a lock? I haven't seen that much about him.

This is the first time I've seen lists that leave Martin off. I like that.

[woodbuck27]

Good ! That is what I wanted to generate on this early thread RE: the 53 -man Roster. To spring a debate on who y'all believe deserves to make OUR team and who is about history.

We are getting debate on Vet's like S Mark Roman and FB William Henderson. What does LBer Roy Manning really have? Same for S Marviel Underwood.

I don't want to see any stroking on OUR Team, only the best 53 Man the Coach's and TT can assemble. The reality of this, is the answers will not come till we are in TC and play those Exibition Games, but this sort of thread, will at least give us the heads up we need to watch the various battles/competitions at each position.

[Deputy Nutz]

Tony Moll is a project that I think Ted Thompson reached on. I think Thompson could have taken him in the seventh round or even in free agency.

Moll will make the roster, but he will most likely be inactive for all the ball games like White and Coston. Barry's injury basically gave him a roster spot.

Moll is really small for an offensive tackle, and he has a really weak skill set. Why we was drafted I still don't know, but maybe he is a quick study and in a year or two he can be a solid back up, but right now he really can't even be counted on for that.

[RashanGary]

Tony Moll is a project that I think Ted Thompson reached on. I think Thompson could have taken him in the seventh round or even in free agency.

Moll will make the roster, but he will most likely be inactive for all the ball games like White and Coston. Barry's injury basically gave him a roster spot.

Moll is really small for an offensive tackle, and he has a really weak skill set. Why we was drafted I still don't know, but maybe he is a quick study and in a year or two he can be a solid back up, but right now he really can't even be counted on for that.

Did you listen to all the audio and video feeds after the draft? CC asked Thompson who he thought was a raw yet really talented prospect out of this class. Thompson said Moll would fit that category.

Moll tried to gain weight really fast so he could get drafted, so he looks pudgy. He played TE in college so he never tried to get big. He played one year at tackle EVER and accordign to Thompson he was a very quick learner.

He's a project much like Hawkins, but he's one of those guys that you just take a flyer on late because the reward is really high and so is the risk.

[Deputy Nutz]

Thompson could say, "Rat meat might taste like pumpkin pie."

I wouldn't know because I would never eat the filthy motherfuckers.

I am not saying Moll isn't going to pan out, I am just saying he offers very little to the Packers in 2006 and probably even in 2007.

[Bossman641]

TT drafted Moll cause of his super cool hairdo

TT wanted to be reminded of his childhood days as a greaser :mrgreen:

[KYPack]

Tony Moll is a project that I think Ted Thompson reached on. I think Thompson could have taken him in the seventh round or even in free agency.

Moll will make the roster, but he will most likely be inactive for all the ball games like White and Coston. Barry's injury basically gave him a roster spot.

Moll is really small for an offensive tackle, and he has a really weak skill set. Why we was drafted I still don't know, but maybe he is a quick study and in a year or two he can be a solid back up, but right now he really can't even be counted on for that.

Thanks.

Saw a pic of him, he doesn't seem to have an NFL body.

Some are saying Spitz might play, think he could make it?

If we don't get 2 or 3 kids to surprise with ability, we'll be lucky to make
7-9, 8-8.

[Deputy Nutz]

Spitz is going to be ok. Some thought before the draft that he might not be good enough athletically to be a career starter. I disagree. The kid has a nasty demeanor on the field. The guy was a staple of the Louiville offensive line for years and I think he will contribute this year, but most likely I don't see him starting unless Coston or Wells really struggle.

He is a smart football player, and I think if he picks up the schemes before guys like Coston and even Wells or White don't be shocked to see him on the field with the offense when the Bears roll into town.

What worries me about the Packers offensive line is Wells is the most veteran interior offensive lineman. He is in his third year, Coston is in his second along with White, and Spitz and Colledge are rookies. I think their all going to be better than what we had last year, but there are going to be mistakes.

[packerpete]

Thompson could say, "Rat meat might taste like pumpkin pie."

I wouldn't know because I would never eat the filthy motherfuckers.

I am not saying Moll isn't going to pan out, I am just saying he offers very little to the Packers in 2006 and probably even in 2007.


Yeah, but maybe Moll has a lot of personality, personality goes a long way


Vincent: Want some bacon?
Jules: No man, I don't eat pork.
Vincent: Are you Jewish?
Jules: Nah, I ain't Jewish, I just don't dig on swine, that's all.
Vincent: Why not?
Jules: Pigs are filthy animals. I don't eat filthy animals.
Vincent: Bacon tastes gooood. Pork chops taste gooood.
Jules: Hey, sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie, but I'd never know 'cause I wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker. Pigs sleep and root in shit. That's a filthy animal. I ain't eat nothin' that ain't got enough sense enough to disregard its own faeces.
Vincent: How about a dog? Dogs eats its own feces.
Jules: I don't eat dog either.
Vincent: Yeah, but do you consider a dog to be a filthy animal?
Jules: I wouldn't go so far as to call a dog filthy but they're definitely dirty. But, a dog's got personality. Personality goes a long way.
Vincent: Ah, so by that rationale, if a pig had a better personality, he would cease to be a filthy animal. Is that true?
Jules: Well we'd have to be talkin' about one charmin' motherfuckin' pig. I mean he'd have to be ten times more charmin' than that Arnold on Green Acres, you know what I'm sayin'?


The path of the righteous Packer man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the Bears and the tyranny of Vikings. Blessed is he, who in the name of the Packers and Victory, shepherds his teammates through the valley of Lambeau Field, for he is truly his teammates keeper and the winner of NFL Championships. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my Packers. And you will know my name is Lombardi when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

[packerpete]

Spitz is going to be ok. Some thought before the draft that he might not be good enough athletically to be a career starter. I disagree. The kid has a nasty demeanor on the field. The guy was a staple of the Louiville offensive line for years and I think he will contribute this year, but most likely I don't see him starting unless Coston or Wells really struggle.

He is a smart football player, and I think if he picks up the schemes before guys like Coston and even Wells or White don't be shocked to see him on the field with the offense when the Bears roll into town.

What worries me about the Packers offensive line is Wells is the most veteran interior offensive lineman. He is in his third year, Coston is in his second along with White, and Spitz and Colledge are rookies. I think their all going to be better than what we had last year, but there are going to be mistakes.

White should be considered a second year man if Coston is.

I would feel better if we had a veteran somewhere in the cupboard.

Perhaps Lucier will surprise.

[woodbuck27]

" Perhaps Lucier will surprise. " packerpete

C Wayne Lucier started in 20 games with the NY Giants in 2003-04 but nothing (ZERO) on him for 2005.

Anyone . . . know his status in 2005?