Shoot um up

[Deputy Nutz]

Mr. Horn could have justifiably felt that he was a target by these criminals, I don't know how he felt, and neither does Harlan, or Tyrone, or Tex, or Scott, or Skin.

His comments that he was gonna kill 'um when he saw them coming out of his neighbor's house is a pretty good clue that Joe's intent was to prevent them from getting away with their crime, not to protect himself or his own property. It is harder to interpret the scene once he went outside.

These comments could refer to the anger emotion that he was feeling, he felt his community was being invaded. Again do I make the same decision, most likely not, but just because he was intending to shoot them doesn't point to his reasoning, like I said he could have been feeling that his house was next, maybe not the same night, but to argue that these criminals didn't pose some danger at the moment or in the future to Mr. Horn is not accurate.

[texaspackerbacker]

Dear God,

It's tyrone again. Please allow one of Tex's neighbors to sell their house. Please allow said neighbor to make a nice profit.

Please god, allow tex to welcome me to the neighborhood uninvited.

yours in eternal devotion,
Tyrone

Wow, a lot of action in this thread! Tyrone, check out Aynrand's picture on P. 12 of the pussy with the pop gun. When I read your post, that's what comes to mind.

Just the same, come on down, and bring your little pop gun. There's a for sale sign two doors down. You won't be uninvited, because I'm officially inviting you now. My old eyes aren't what they used to be, but with you there plugging any of those trespassers that get past me, I'll feel a helluva lot safer.

Harlan, you better not assume I'm the only one supporting people doing stuff like Horn did. There are several others right here in this forum, and trust me, a solid majority of us in the country in general.

BTW, God doesn't answer the prayers of liberals. You haven't figured that out by now?

[mraynrand]

BTW, God doesn't answer the prayers of liberals. You haven't figured that out by now?

The problem is, he has a hard time figuring out what liberals are praying for...


"A liberal was praying in Oct. of 2004. S/he said 'Dear Supreme Being, please save the United States and make sure John Kerry is elected President.' God answered: 'Well, make up your mind, which one do you want?'

[HowardRoark]

Jesus even tried w/the Liberals:

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

[Zool]

Jesus even tried w/the Liberals:

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Then the liberals tapped their feet in public bathrooms. Err....which was that again?

Might want to shoot this line over to a couple priests too?
Leviticus:18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

[Scott Campbell]

Jesus even tried w/the Liberals:

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Then the liberals tapped their feet in public bathrooms. Err....which was that again?



Was it this guy?

http://www.onlinecasinohero.com/online/casino/news/barney-frank.jpg

[twoseven]

skin, no sweat, and don't take my tone to be pissed either. i think about shit like this a lot because i am overly protective of my family and i am a little paranoid and am too often looking to make a fight where there should be none..so i can be a little testy when these matters come up.

Nutz, agreed.

Mad, if I caught a Mexican I'd throw my gun aside and we'g go toe-to-toe like those two guys in the Michael Jackson Beat It Video, tie our wrists and pull out the switchblades, Harlan would be to the side jumping up and down and clapping frantically in an excited manner.

mraynrand said it very well as did skin that we all have different levels of shit we would put up with before making a move. criteria that would effect it (gun in house, family to protect, insurance on personal items, time of day, how you react to stress of the moment, neighborhood you live in, visual of the perps) would alter all of our tolerance levels and we might get 20 different reactions to 20 perp confrontations.

True story...15 years ago two perps entered my parents' three level home, proceeded directly upstairs and into the master bedroom where they found and stole two very expensive pieces of jewelry and made their way out of the house, undetected. It was summertime and broad daylight, my father was at work, my mother was actually in the basement of the house and had no clue it happened (everything is carpeted in plush, easy to roam house in silence) until she made her way upstairs later on and noticed the jewelry box on her dresser sitting open and the two pieces missing. She about had a mental breakdown because of it and it took months before she could be in that home alone with the doors unlocked. They installed a security system immediately.

My question to anyone willing to answer..let's say you happened to be in that master bedroom of my parents' house when the perps walked in, what would you have done? I'll even say you had a pistol close by and got hold of it as they entered the room (it's a pretty good sized room)..so, are the two perps dead? What do you think you would have done?

[GoPackGo]

I would have put up my dukes like 30's style boxing an shit.
If a pistol was available I would have ordered them on the ground and if they didn't comply I'd start shooting

[Scott Campbell]

I would have put up my dukes like 30's style boxing an shit.
If a pistol was available I would have ordered them on the ground and if they didn't comply I'd start shooting


Same. And they don't have 20 seconds to think about it either.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hi God...it's me tyrone.

If it isn't too much trouble..can you have tex trespass on my lawn. I promise to put him down mercifully.

Your humble servant..tyrone.



Better ask God to grant you a clean shot from the safety of your closet.

Won't be in closet...clearly, according to you...and texas law..all i need is trespasser and to feel frightened.

Tex on lawn is trespasser...read tex's posts...clearly i would be frightened.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Joe a cold blooded murderer, compared him to OJ

OJ is just as innocent as Joe.........



Wrong again Harlan:


On February 5, 1997 a civil jury in Santa Monica, California unanimously found Simpson liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman, battery against Ronald Goldman, and battery against Nicole Brown.

Wrong again scott..that is a civil jury...and that isn't conviction for murder. Why don't you read what you wrote..."wrongful death." That isn't murder, my friend.

Since you have been so keen to say that mr. horn followed the law, what he did was legal..then i would expect the same sorta ethics from you. Murder is murder, wrongful death is wrongful death. For you to libel OJ in this manner is...just wrong.

And, you are a bit hasty...are you sure that Mr. Horn wouldn't be found liable as well?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Jesus even tried w/the Liberals:

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Right. Now jesus isn't a liberal.

Who is kidding whom.

[HowardRoark]

[/quote]

Won't be in closet...clearly

[/quote]

Gosh, I am not sure about the etiquette in these types of situations.

Congratulations! I hope it is very freeing and invigorating.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Jesus even tried w/the Liberals:

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Then the liberals tapped their feet in public bathrooms. Err....which was that again?

Might want to shoot this line over to a couple priests too?
Leviticus:18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

That is the old testament...it doesnt' count...except when conservatives want it to..then it is ok to reference it.

[MadtownPacker]

My question to anyone willing to answer..let's say you happened to be in that master bedroom of my parents' house when the perps walked in, what would you have done? I'll even say you had a pistol close by and got hold of it as they entered the room (it's a pretty good sized room)..so, are the two perps dead? What do you think you would have done?I think most have basically already answered this question several times in this thread but in case you missed it I would have blasted first and asked questioned later. Like I said, they went IN the house. In the daytime and if the door was unlocked they likely knew someone might be home. They didnt give a fuck, why should I?

After hearing this story my heart goes out to your Mama. What if she had been up there instead of the basement? She would have never heard them coming up and would have been caught in the room. I want them dead just for the fear they put in the lady's heart. She didnt deserves that and you and your Dad wouldnt have deserved the heartache if something had happened to her.

Again, these guys had alot of nerve and this likely wasnt the first or last time they do it. Until they meet a real hero like Joe Horn.

[Zool]

Jesus even tried w/the Liberals:

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Then the liberals tapped their feet in public bathrooms. Err....which was that again?

Might want to shoot this line over to a couple priests too?
Leviticus:18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

That is the old testament...it doesnt' count...except when conservatives want it to..then it is ok to reference it.

Damnit i cant keep up with all that.

[MadtownPacker]

Jesus even tried w/the Liberals:

"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing."

Then the liberals tapped their feet in public bathrooms. Err....which was that again?

Might want to shoot this line over to a couple priests too?
Leviticus:18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

That is the old testament...it doesnt' count...except when conservatives want it to..then it is ok to reference it.All of you show some courtesy to us having this discussion and keep you stupid shit out of this thread. This thread is not about politics.

[Scott Campbell]

Joe a cold blooded murderer, compared him to OJ

OJ is just as innocent as Joe.........



Wrong again Harlan:


On February 5, 1997 a civil jury in Santa Monica, California unanimously found Simpson liable for the wrongful death of Ronald Goldman, battery against Ronald Goldman, and battery against Nicole Brown.

Wrong again scott..that is a civil jury...and that isn't conviction for murder. Why don't you read what you wrote..."wrongful death." That isn't murder, my friend.

Since you have been so keen to say that mr. horn followed the law, what he did was legal..then i would expect the same sorta ethics from you. Murder is murder, wrongful death is wrongful death. For you to libel OJ in this manner is...just wrong.

And, you are a bit hasty...are you sure that Mr. Horn wouldn't be found liable as well?


Tyrone. I said it was a civil jury. Read my post. I said it was for wrongful death. Read my post.

I said Harlan was wrong that OJ was as innocent as Joe Horn. Read my post. And he's not. He was convicted of wrongful death in a civil trial. Joe wasn't, and isn't very likely to be, as Castle Laws typically expressly prohibit civil prosecutions in these instances.

Re: "Murder is murder, wrongful death is wrongful death. For you to libel OJ in this manner is...just wrong."

Show me where I libeled OJ, and I'll issue an apology. Please use a direct quote from me, and no supposition. I will issue said apology immediately.

[Scott Campbell]

Won't be in closet...



So you've come out of the closet?

:lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Won't be in closet...



So you've come out of the closet?

:lol:

I never was in closet..that was what you said. I said lock the door..and i believe it was bedroom.

Try to keep up scott.

P.S. I apologize.

[Scott Campbell]

Won't be in closet...



So you've come out of the closet?

:lol:

I never was in closet..that was what you said. I said lock the door..and i believe it was bedroom.

Try to keep up scott.

P.S. I apologize.


Accepted.

I had to edit a couple of posts quick. But accepted.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Won't be in closet...



So you've come out of the closet?

:lol:

I never was in closet..that was what you said. I said lock the door..and i believe it was bedroom.

Try to keep up scott.

P.S. I apologize.


Accepted.

I had to edit a couple of posts quick. But accepted.

Apology is for now.

Congressional hearings coming to houston soon.

Mr. Horn can be tried by the U.S. gov't for civil rights violation.

[Scott Campbell]

Apology is for now.

Congressional hearings coming to houston soon.

Mr. Horn can be tried by the U.S. gov't for civil rights violation.


Ok. Then apology for now unless congressional hearings come to Houston and Mr. Horn is tried and convicted by the US government for civil rights violation - accepted.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Apology is for now.

Congressional hearings coming to houston soon.

Mr. Horn can be tried by the U.S. gov't for civil rights violation.


Ok. Then apology for now unless congressional hearings come to Houston and Mr. Horn is tried and convicted by the US government for civil rights violation - accepted.

Congresswoman Lee (i think that is her name) says they are coming in a few weeks. Not just for this case. Shoddy police work, bad labs, etc.

[texaspackerbacker]

Hi God...it's me tyrone.

If it isn't too much trouble..can you have tex trespass on my lawn. I promise to put him down mercifully.

Your humble servant..tyrone.



Better ask God to grant you a clean shot from the safety of your closet.

Won't be in closet...clearly, according to you...and texas law..all i need is trespasser and to feel frightened.

Tex on lawn is trespasser...read tex's posts...clearly i would be frightened.

Apparently you missed my response the first time around that you posted this, Tyrone. You can sit out there gunning down trespassers until you're old and gray like me, and I won't be among them. Neither will virtually any other good normal Americans find themselves in your sights. A lot of trash that needs killin' just might show up, though. Thus, your offer to help is greatly appreciated, Tyrone.

As for the law--Texas and elsewhere, it's pretty much moot in the context of the right to trial by a jury of your peers. The great majority of good normal Americans are very sympathetic to the good guy blowing away the bad guy--forget the whole debate about self defense, fair warning, moving forward or running away, in the house or outside, etc. It's all Good versus Evil, and the good people comprising the jury will have the back of the good guy doing the shooting. Ain't America wonderful!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hi God...it's me tyrone.

If it isn't too much trouble..can you have tex trespass on my lawn. I promise to put him down mercifully.

Your humble servant..tyrone.



Better ask God to grant you a clean shot from the safety of your closet.

Won't be in closet...clearly, according to you...and texas law..all i need is trespasser and to feel frightened.

Tex on lawn is trespasser...read tex's posts...clearly i would be frightened.

Apparently you missed my response the first time around that you posted this, Tyrone. You can sit out there gunning down trespassers until you're old and gray like me, and I won't be among them. Neither will virtually any other good normal Americans find themselves in your sights. A lot of trash that needs killin' just might show up, though. Thus, your offer to help is greatly appreciated, Tyrone.

As for the law--Texas and elsewhere, it's pretty much moot in the context of the right to trial by a jury of your peers. The great majority of good normal Americans are very sympathetic to the good guy blowing away the bad guy--forget the whole debate about self defense, fair warning, moving forward or running away, in the house or outside, etc. It's all Good versus Evil, and the good people comprising the jury will have the back of the good guy doing the shooting. Ain't America wonderful!

No. You can't follow along. Try to keep up old man. I did post a response.

[texaspackerbacker]

Hi God...it's me tyrone.

If it isn't too much trouble..can you have tex trespass on my lawn. I promise to put him down mercifully.

Your humble servant..tyrone.



Better ask God to grant you a clean shot from the safety of your closet.

Won't be in closet...clearly, according to you...and texas law..all i need is trespasser and to feel frightened.

Tex on lawn is trespasser...read tex's posts...clearly i would be frightened.

Apparently you missed my response the first time around that you posted this, Tyrone. You can sit out there gunning down trespassers until you're old and gray like me, and I won't be among them. Neither will virtually any other good normal Americans find themselves in your sights. A lot of trash that needs killin' just might show up, though. Thus, your offer to help is greatly appreciated, Tyrone.

As for the law--Texas and elsewhere, it's pretty much moot in the context of the right to trial by a jury of your peers. The great majority of good normal Americans are very sympathetic to the good guy blowing away the bad guy--forget the whole debate about self defense, fair warning, moving forward or running away, in the house or outside, etc. It's all Good versus Evil, and the good people comprising the jury will have the back of the good guy doing the shooting. Ain't America wonderful!

No. You can't follow along. Try to keep up old man. I did post a response.

It must have been pretty forgettable--like most of what you post.

[Harlan Huckleby]

http://www.foliomag.com/files/images/andy_rooney.jpg

Don't you hate when people ... no, don't you hate the people who quote giant blocks of text just to add a sentence at the bottom.
And usually these stupid people just add a stupid sentence.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hi God...it's me tyrone.

If it isn't too much trouble..can you have tex trespass on my lawn. I promise to put him down mercifully.

Your humble servant..tyrone.



Better ask God to grant you a clean shot from the safety of your closet.

Won't be in closet...clearly, according to you...and texas law..all i need is trespasser and to feel frightened.

Tex on lawn is trespasser...read tex's posts...clearly i would be frightened.

Apparently you missed my response the first time around that you posted this, Tyrone. You can sit out there gunning down trespassers until you're old and gray like me, and I won't be among them. Neither will virtually any other good normal Americans find themselves in your sights. A lot of trash that needs killin' just might show up, though. Thus, your offer to help is greatly appreciated, Tyrone.

As for the law--Texas and elsewhere, it's pretty much moot in the context of the right to trial by a jury of your peers. The great majority of good normal Americans are very sympathetic to the good guy blowing away the bad guy--forget the whole debate about self defense, fair warning, moving forward or running away, in the house or outside, etc. It's all Good versus Evil, and the good people comprising the jury will have the back of the good guy doing the shooting. Ain't America wonderful!

No. You can't follow along. Try to keep up old man. I did post a response.

It must have been pretty forgettable--like most of what you post.


And yet, you feel the need to address it. Interesting.

I guess i could just post like yourself...hmm:

1. Liberals are evil
2. Media is evil
3. Conservatives are good
4. The money multiplier will solve it

Well, guess there is no more reason for you to post.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

http://www.foliomag.com/files/images/andy_rooney.jpg

Don't you hate when people ... no, don't you hate the people who quote giant blocks of text just to add a sentence at the bottom.
And usually these stupid people just add a stupid sentence.

Andy Rooney is part of the evil, liberal media. Therefore we can't pay attention to your parody. So, sorry.

Please try using only acceptable members of the media when parodying:

1. O'Reilly
2. Hannity
3. Rush
4. Krauthammer
5. Barnes
6. Kristol

[texaspackerbacker]

Hi God...it's me tyrone.

If it isn't too much trouble..can you have tex trespass on my lawn. I promise to put him down mercifully.

Your humble servant..tyrone.



Better ask God to grant you a clean shot from the safety of your closet.

Won't be in closet...clearly, according to you...and texas law..all i need is trespasser and to feel frightened.

Tex on lawn is trespasser...read tex's posts...clearly i would be frightened.

Apparently you missed my response the first time around that you posted this, Tyrone. You can sit out there gunning down trespassers until you're old and gray like me, and I won't be among them. Neither will virtually any other good normal Americans find themselves in your sights. A lot of trash that needs killin' just might show up, though. Thus, your offer to help is greatly appreciated, Tyrone.

As for the law--Texas and elsewhere, it's pretty much moot in the context of the right to trial by a jury of your peers. The great majority of good normal Americans are very sympathetic to the good guy blowing away the bad guy--forget the whole debate about self defense, fair warning, moving forward or running away, in the house or outside, etc. It's all Good versus Evil, and the good people comprising the jury will have the back of the good guy doing the shooting. Ain't America wonderful!

No. You can't follow along. Try to keep up old man. I did post a response.

It must have been pretty forgettable--like most of what you post.


And yet, you feel the need to address it. Interesting.

I guess i could just post like yourself...hmm:

1. Liberals are evil
2. Media is evil
3. Conservatives are good
4. The money multiplier will solve it

Well, guess there is no more reason for you to post.

Thank you again, Tyrone, for summarizing my views so eloquently. You're on a veritable roll, lately with all your gunning down trespassers stuff and now this. Just keep following my lead, and you'll never go wrong.

Harlan, I can't disagree with you and Rooney, but when the bulk of the text being quoted is already my work, I won't apologize too much.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Harlan, I can't disagree with you and Rooney, but when the bulk of the text being quoted is already my work, I won't apologize too much.

yes, I guess the opportunity to get a second reading of your thoughts is well worth the extra work.

I wasn't just picking on you, Tyrone is also fond of the long quote and pithy remark.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Harlan, I can't disagree with you and Rooney, but when the bulk of the text being quoted is already my work, I won't apologize too much.

yes, I guess the opportunity to get a second reading of your thoughts is well worth the extra work.

I wasn't just picking on you, Tyrone is also fond of the long quote and pithy remark.

Well, at least i'm pithy! :oops:

[HowardRoark]

http://www.foliomag.com/files/images/andy_rooney.jpg

Don't you hate when people ... no, don't you hate the people who quote giant blocks of text just to add a sentence at the bottom.
And usually these stupid people just add a stupid sentence.

Andy Rooney is part of the evil, liberal media. Therefore we can't pay attention to your parody. So, sorry.

Please try using only acceptable members of the media when parodying:

1. O'Reilly
2. Hannity
3. Rush
4. Krauthammer
5. Barnes
6. Kristol


C’mon um, er, Tyrone, Krauthammer is the only guy who can make sense of the whole energy issue that the Left tries to push. Read his thoughts on a permanent $4/gallon federal tax on gasoline. I don’t agree with it, but it is the only way it would work.

We all curl up in the fetal position concerning the price of gas. Lefties smugly sit back and tell us that it will finally turn……even jerks like Howie will get rid of his SUV. OK. You are correct. The whole world drives around in a Smart Car. Then what? Well, for those of us who still understand the “Invisible Hand”, the price of oil will go to about $10/barrell. What then? Will I be morally obligated to keep my go-cart, or can I fire up the Land Cruiser again? Or would it simply be against the law?

Read Krauthammer. You might actually be able to back up some of the crazy ideas on your side.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/05/AR2008060503434.html

And as far as the avuncular Freddy Barnes, how can anybody not like that guy?

As for the rest of them, you already know how I feel about them based on our previous conversations. And no, Tex, I am not a Country Club Conservative. In fact, I just picked up Grand New Party by Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam. You should read it, talks about how the Conservatives have to become the party of “Sams Club”, not the country club.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Read Krauthammer. You might actually be able to back up some of the crazy ideas on your side.

I think Krauthammer is one of the best columnists out there. I'm no conservative, but I marvel at how well he puts an argument together. He see things very clearly.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

http://www.foliomag.com/files/images/andy_rooney.jpg

Don't you hate when people ... no, don't you hate the people who quote giant blocks of text just to add a sentence at the bottom.
And usually these stupid people just add a stupid sentence.

Andy Rooney is part of the evil, liberal media. Therefore we can't pay attention to your parody. So, sorry.

Please try using only acceptable members of the media when parodying:

1. O'Reilly
2. Hannity
3. Rush
4. Krauthammer
5. Barnes
6. Kristol


C’mon um, er, Tyrone, Krauthammer is the only guy who can make sense of the whole energy issue that the Left tries to push. Read his thoughts on a permanent $4/gallon federal tax on gasoline. I don’t agree with it, but it is the only way it would work.

We all curl up in the fetal position concerning the price of gas. Lefties smugly sit back and tell us that it will finally turn……even jerks like Howie will get rid of his SUV. OK. You are correct. The whole world drives around in a Smart Car. Then what? Well, for those of us who still understand the “Invisible Hand”, the price of oil will go to about $10/barrel. What then? Will I be morally obligated to keep my go-cart, or can I fire up the Land Cruiser again? Or would it simply be against the law?

Read Krauthammer. You might actually be able to back up some of the crazy ideas on your side.

And as far as the avuncular Freddy Barnes, how can anybody not like that guy?

As for the rest of them, you already know how I feel about them based on our previous conversations. And no, Tex, I am not a Country Club Conservative. In fact, I just picked up Grand New Party by Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam. You should read it, talks about how the Conservatives have to become the party of “Sams Club”, not the country club.

Energy issue the left tries to push? what exactly are they pushing..and what is the right pushing.

Crazy ideas: Care to name them. Care to name what i'm pushing that is crazy. You are gonna look foolish on that...since i'm not pushing anything crazy...except reducing our dependence on oil..taking the power outta the middle east crazies. Guess that is crazy talk.

Gas prices: Disagree. THe world market ain't diminishing.

Commentators: The point, which you missed, wasn't whether they were right or wrong..but, only they can be used as they aren't part of the liberal media. I didn't think it was a nuanced point....guess i'm gonna have to spell it out for you.

Sams club: Well, that explains it all again. Conservs can't figure out that Costco is better. ANd, you guys wanna run the country. Sheesh.

[HowardRoark]

http://www.foliomag.com/files/images/andy_rooney.jpg

Don't you hate when people ... no, don't you hate the people who quote giant blocks of text just to add a sentence at the bottom.
And usually these stupid people just add a stupid sentence.

Andy Rooney is part of the evil, liberal media. Therefore we can't pay attention to your parody. So, sorry.

Please try using only acceptable members of the media when parodying:

1. O'Reilly
2. Hannity
3. Rush
4. Krauthammer
5. Barnes
6. Kristol


C’mon um, er, Tyrone, Krauthammer is the only guy who can make sense of the whole energy issue that the Left tries to push. Read his thoughts on a permanent $4/gallon federal tax on gasoline. I don’t agree with it, but it is the only way it would work.

We all curl up in the fetal position concerning the price of gas. Lefties smugly sit back and tell us that it will finally turn……even jerks like Howie will get rid of his SUV. OK. You are correct. The whole world drives around in a Smart Car. Then what? Well, for those of us who still understand the “Invisible Hand”, the price of oil will go to about $10/barrel. What then? Will I be morally obligated to keep my go-cart, or can I fire up the Land Cruiser again? Or would it simply be against the law?

Read Krauthammer. You might actually be able to back up some of the crazy ideas on your side.

And as far as the avuncular Freddy Barnes, how can anybody not like that guy?

As for the rest of them, you already know how I feel about them based on our previous conversations. And no, Tex, I am not a Country Club Conservative. In fact, I just picked up Grand New Party by Ross Douthat and Reihan Salam. You should read it, talks about how the Conservatives have to become the party of “Sams Club”, not the country club.

Energy issue the left tries to push? what exactly are they pushing..and what is the right pushing.

Crazy ideas: Care to name them. Care to name what i'm pushing that is crazy. You are gonna look foolish on that...since i'm not pushing anything crazy...except reducing our dependence on oil..taking the power outta the middle east crazies. Guess that is crazy talk.

Gas prices: Disagree. THe world market ain't diminishing.

Commentators: The point, which you missed, wasn't whether they were right or wrong..but, only they can be used as they aren't part of the liberal media. I didn't think it was a nuanced point....guess i'm gonna have to spell it out for you.

Sams club: Well, that explains it all again. Conservs can't figure out that Costco is better. ANd, you guys wanna run the country. Sheesh.

Get out of the heat!

Of course you know what the two sides think. The Left wants us, and the evil U.S. in particular, to stop driving; and farting for that matter. They only want to drill in someone elses' backyard, not in their own. In particular, countries with poor, brown skinned citizens. I find that racist. The Right wants to start using more Nukes and drilling off the coasts.

I think we need to support the Dollar.

Gas prices: Disagree. THe world market ain't diminishing......that was the point of my post. Do I have to spell it out too?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The left wants us to stop driving? LOL Must have missed my Moveon.org email about that. :roll:

Farting: The left has never asked you to stop farting. We would like you to contain it to the bathroom, but that is just manners. Guess we ask to much of you.

Feel free to dutch oven your wife.

Diminish: spell it out. That is the point. The price aint' going down.

[texaspackerbacker]

Harlan, I can't disagree with you and Rooney, but when the bulk of the text being quoted is already my work, I won't apologize too much.

yes, I guess the opportunity to get a second reading of your thoughts is well worth the extra work.

I wasn't just picking on you, Tyrone is also fond of the long quote and pithy remark.

Well, at least i'm pithy! :oops:

Pithy--if you thpeak with a lithp.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Harlan, I can't disagree with you and Rooney, but when the bulk of the text being quoted is already my work, I won't apologize too much.

yes, I guess the opportunity to get a second reading of your thoughts is well worth the extra work.

I wasn't just picking on you, Tyrone is also fond of the long quote and pithy remark.

Well, at least i'm pithy! :oops:

Pithy--if you thpeak with a lithp.

And, yet another long quote followed by a stupid comment. You can't get outta your own way.

[twoseven]

My question to anyone willing to answer..let's say you happened to be in that master bedroom of my parents' house when the perps walked in, what would you have done? I'll even say you had a pistol close by and got hold of it as they entered the room (it's a pretty good sized room)..so, are the two perps dead? What do you think you would have done?I think most have basically already answered this question several times in this thread but in case you missed it I would have blasted first and asked questioned later. Like I said, they went IN the house. In the daytime and if the door was unlocked they likely knew someone might be home. They didnt give a fuck, why should I?

After hearing this story my heart goes out to your Mama. What if she had been up there instead of the basement? She would have never heard them coming up and would have been caught in the room. I want them dead just for the fear they put in the lady's heart. She didnt deserves that and you and your Dad wouldnt have deserved the heartache if something had happened to her.

Again, these guys had alot of nerve and this likely wasnt the first or last time they do it. Until they meet a real hero like Joe Horn.Sorry, man, it was meant as a loaded question.

The two perps turned out to be a 10 and a 12 year old from around the whitey white suburb area, and the jewelry was insured. How many would still have shot?

I listed that story about the old guy that just came out shooting and ended up killing a kid from his neighborhood that had snuck into his broken down old house, unarmed and without any intent, out of stupidity and curiousity. Some said they would not be so concerned with what they were shooting at, that once you enter the house you're fair game. I still maintain that unless you have no choice, be it in your house or hunting in the woods, you should always know what the hell you are shooting at before you pull the trigger..whether it be a deer, a game bird, or some dumbass that entered your house unwelcomed, and if at all possible, without endagering your family, you exhaust every reasonable option before you make the decision to take a life. For some that might be one half of a second, but hey, at least you thought before you fired.

Yes, I get it, the two young shitheads that entered my parents home were bad kids. Often times intruders are very bad and potentially very dangerous individuals, not stupid kids. I also get that some will not have the chance to make a distinction depending on time of day and the layout of your house. I also get it that without a gun you are already at a great disadvantage if someone enters your home. They know why they entered, you don't, and you don't have the option of defending yourself and family from a distance. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do. Just want to request that you use your head.

I don't want to compare defending your home to getting out of your house when you hear your fire alarms go off. But, I think it is very reasonable to expect gun/home owners to have some kind of plan or at least an idea of how they might handle things if something awful like an occupied intrusion or break in were to happen. It would not be the worst thing in the world to have a talk with a local lawyer about what you could resonably be allowed to do in this kind of situation so that you know your actual rights. What you do beyond that point is still up to you, but it's at least more informed.

[Scott Campbell]

Fatal shooting outside restaurant allegedly done in self defense
By Nate Carlisle
The Salt Lake Tribune
Article Last Updated: 07/09/2008 04:05:36 PM MDT

Updated: 3:58 PM- A man was shot and killed Tuesday near Franklin Covey Field, outside Mama's Southern Plantation restaurant.
The shooting happened about 12:30 p.m. on the sidewalk at 1394 S. West Temple. Restaurant owner Mark Cazares said the shooter works part time for the restaurant handling security.
The employee was sitting outside the restaurant finishing his lunch when a man started yelling threats at him, ran across the street, and swung his backpack at him, said Cazares.
The man put his hand in his pocket, as if to reach for a weapon, said Cazares. The employee - who has a concealed weapon permit - pulled out his gun and shot the man in self-defense, Cazares said.
The man was shot once, according to police, who say they are trying to determine how many people witnessed the shooting and how many participated.

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_9829893

[bobblehead]

My question to anyone willing to answer..let's say you happened to be in that master bedroom of my parents' house when the perps walked in, what would you have done? I'll even say you had a pistol close by and got hold of it as they entered the room (it's a pretty good sized room)..so, are the two perps dead? What do you think you would have done?I think most have basically already answered this question several times in this thread but in case you missed it I would have blasted first and asked questioned later. Like I said, they went IN the house. In the daytime and if the door was unlocked they likely knew someone might be home. They didnt give a fuck, why should I?

After hearing this story my heart goes out to your Mama. What if she had been up there instead of the basement? She would have never heard them coming up and would have been caught in the room. I want them dead just for the fear they put in the lady's heart. She didnt deserves that and you and your Dad wouldnt have deserved the heartache if something had happened to her.

Again, these guys had alot of nerve and this likely wasnt the first or last time they do it. Until they meet a real hero like Joe Horn.Sorry, man, it was meant as a loaded question.

The two perps turned out to be a 10 and a 12 year old from around the whitey white suburb area, and the jewelry was insured. How many would still have shot?

I listed that story about the old guy that just came out shooting and ended up killing a kid from his neighborhood that had snuck into his broken down old house, unarmed and without any intent, out of stupidity and curiousity. Some said they would not be so concerned with what they were shooting at, that once you enter the house you're fair game. I still maintain that unless you have no choice, be it in your house or hunting in the woods, you should always know what the hell you are shooting at before you pull the trigger..whether it be a deer, a game bird, or some dumbass that entered your house unwelcomed, and if at all possible, without endagering your family, you exhaust every reasonable option before you make the decision to take a life. For some that might be one half of a second, but hey, at least you thought before you fired.

Yes, I get it, the two young shitheads that entered my parents home were bad kids. Often times intruders are very bad and potentially very dangerous individuals, not stupid kids. I also get that some will not have the chance to make a distinction depending on time of day and the layout of your house. I also get it that without a gun you are already at a great disadvantage if someone enters your home. They know why they entered, you don't, and you don't have the option of defending yourself and family from a distance. I'm not trying to tell anyone what to do. Just want to request that you use your head.

I don't want to compare defending your home to getting out of your house when you hear your fire alarms go off. But, I think it is very reasonable to expect gun/home owners to have some kind of plan or at least an idea of how they might handle things if something awful like an occupied intrusion or break in were to happen. It would not be the worst thing in the world to have a talk with a local lawyer about what you could resonably be allowed to do in this kind of situation so that you know your actual rights. What you do beyond that point is still up to you, but it's at least more informed.

If I were in your parents house and I shot those kids I would feel terrible. I would also get over it. Whereas I would be the one to delivery what was their ultimate demise it would not be I that failed them. Where were the adults in their lives. Where were the role models. Where were the authorities. How is it that they ended up in my house stealing my items? If I hadn't shot them would they not get bolder and turn to muggings?? Rape?? Kidnapping? I have no clue, nor does anyone else, all I know is that if you are in my house uninvited and I get the drop on you, my decision is probably going to be to shoot.

I'm sorry if I have no use for criminals, especially crimes of invasion. As in you are putting your rights above mine. Admittedly I won't shoot someone who cuts me off in traffic, but if someone decides to help themselves to what another has rightfully earned I have no sympathy and no compassion. If the person is 10 I feel terrible. Terrible about how society has failed him because I know there were warning signs and ample opportunity to teach this child right from wrong and nobody obviously stepped up to do it.

If I saw kids stealing beer from a garage I probably wouldn't shoot, only because I know that I would end up in jail. But if I knew I was immune I might put on in their ass with a pistol to make sure they could be apprehended at a hospital. Shotgun in the back...probably not, but see stupid juries have made it difficult. If I shoot in the butt, they sue me and testify against me. If I brain them they can't. If I do nothing they come back later and kill someone who interrupts their next robbery. You tell me what is the best logical choice (since you want us to think first). Killing them is the best outcome.

1) They can't hurt anyone anymore.
2) They can't testify against me.
3) A jury now has to side with me or the criminals for MY life instead of simply hitting me with a "minor" 5 year sentence and juries tend to side with the angels.

[texaspackerbacker]

Harlan, I can't disagree with you and Rooney, but when the bulk of the text being quoted is already my work, I won't apologize too much.

yes, I guess the opportunity to get a second reading of your thoughts is well worth the extra work.

I wasn't just picking on you, Tyrone is also fond of the long quote and pithy remark.

Well, at least i'm pithy! :oops:

Pithy--if you thpeak with a lithp.

And, yet another long quote followed by a stupid comment. You can't get outta your own way.

Uh ...... like I said.

[Freak Out]

Bang bang.......oops! I think this guy got five years or so for manslaughter.

TEEN SHOT DEAD DURING PRANK SENIOR KILLED AFTER TRYING TO STEAL STORE'S BALLOON (9/11/1992)


By Marilee Enge

(04/26/08 03:12:37)

Editor's note: This story was originally published September 11, 1992

A downtown shop owner shot and killed a teenager who fled Saturday night after trying to steal an inflated balloon as part of a high school prank.

Service High senior Clyde Thompson was struck by a bullet as he ran from the Lo-Mark furniture store at Gambell Street and Ninth Avenue just before 11 p.m. His friends said he died in the bed of their pickup truck as they rushed to the nearest hospital.

Homicide investigators interviewed the store owner and the man surrendered a .38-caliber handgun used in the shooting, police said Sunday. Officials did not release his name, but neighbors identified the owner of the store as Jim Lowe.

TX: Reached at his home Sunday night, Lowe said he had no comment. No one was not charged and police said the case would be referred to the Anchorage District Attorney's Office.

Thompson, 18, and a group of friends were taking part in a an elaborate scavenger hunt, a spring ritual among Service High students that is not sanctioned by the school. Many juniors and most of the senior class gathered on the school campus Saturday evening to purchase a list of items they had to collect to win the competition.

"It's school tradition," said Heather Estabrook, 18, one of Thompson's companions. "It's fun before our graduation."

She said the group met at a friend's house at 7 p.m. and drove to the school, where they paid the hunt's organizers $3 for the list. Among the 46 items on the list were such things as a garbage bin, a street bum, a wheelchair, an Anchorage Fire Department engine and the brightly colored, large balloon from the roof of the Lo-Mark furniture store.

At 8 p.m., the 15 friends headed out in three separate cars equipped with cellular telephones, said Estabrook, one of the drivers.

After collecting the easiest items, Estabrook and her companions drove to Alaska Native Medical Center to pick up a wheelchair. But the hospital staff refused to relinquish one, she said.

They then drove past Lo-Mark and spotted the balloon.

Estabrook said they decided to climb to the roof and cut the balloon free, but first they had to drive to a nearby Carrs Quality Center to buy a pair of scissors. At the store, they discovered they already had scissors, but proceeded to buy Mother's Day cards, she said.

When they returned to Lo-Mark, a large motor home had just pulled in to the parking lot, she said. They drove around the vehicle and saw a man and woman inside.

Police said that the store owner was dropping off his RV.

Estabrook drove to the rear of the store and another car full of kids on the team joined them. Four, including Thompson and 17-year-old Dan Hart, climbed up the side of the furniture store to the roof. Estabrook waited in the truck with Rick Pickworth.

Once the four were on the roof, though, the man from the motor home spotted them and began yelling. "They came running off the roof," Estabrook said. Two of the youths ran to the other car and Thompson and Hart ran for her truck.

"Everyone was yelling," she said. "Clyde was telling us to go."

Estabrook did not hear gunshots in the commotion, but Hart did. He said Thompson was the last one off the roof and was behind him as they ran for the truck. He heard one gunshot and kept running.

"About halfway to the truck, I heard another gunshot. I looked back and Clyde was still running," he said. "He jumped in the back. We asked Clyde if he was OK. It looked like he was trying to talk."

The friends thought Thompson had hurt himself jumping into the truck. Then they noticed blood. Police said Lo-Mark's owner fired several shots and one hit Thompson in the back.

"Rick was shaking Clyde. Clyde was trying to talk. Everyone was yelling at me to go to the hospital," said Estabrook. She drove to Alaska Native Medical Center, where they had tried to obtain the wheelchair a short time earlier.

"By this time Rick was saying, "He's dead.' We couldn't figure out what happened."

At the hospital, the staff didn't seem to take them seriously and a security guard asked for a copy of their scavenger list, she said.

Thompson was declared dead after his arrival at the hospital.

Estabrook later returned to the scene of the shooting with a police investigator. They found bullet shells about 15 feet from where she had been parked, she said.

"If he was going to fire, he should have fired up in the air," she said. "What was he doing shooting into a group of kids? I just think he was totally in the wrong.

"I'm sure he saw the balloon going down. Could he have afforded another balloon? Could he have taken our license number and called the police? That's not the way you teach someone a lesson."

Assistant District Attorney Steve Branchflower, who will review the case, said he had not evaluated the facts and could not say if he will bring charges. But he said Alaska law does not normally permit people to take a life while protecting their property in a minor theft.

"Generally, a person is justified in using deadly force only to protect life and, in very narrow circumstances, to protect property, as in a person's home," Branchflower said.

"We'll have to take a look at the police reports and decide the reasonableness of his conduct in light of everything.

"It's a pretty troubling set of facts and it's a real tragic event."

Thompson left his parents and a brother and sister, his friends said. He had planned to fish commercially this summer.

His friends, who gathered Sunday and talked over his death, argued that the store owner was not justified in shooting.

"I think he was just thinking that he was going to prove a point or something and teach somebody a lesson," said Rick Pickworth, 18. "I think he should be charged with manslaughter."

"I don't see why he had to pull the trigger for a balloon."

[Scott Campbell]

Bang bang.......oops! I think this guy got five years or so for manslaughter.

TEEN SHOT DEAD DURING PRANK SENIOR KILLED AFTER TRYING TO STEAL STORE'S BALLOON (9/11/1992)



Great example. But can you find one that isn't older than Ballhawk?

If it were some kind of epidemic, I'd probably be concerned. But you know an argument is weak when people have to dig back to 1992 to find examples.

These kids didn't break in. 5 years seems like a very short sentence in this instance.

[Freak Out]

Bang bang.......oops! I think this guy got five years or so for manslaughter.

TEEN SHOT DEAD DURING PRANK SENIOR KILLED AFTER TRYING TO STEAL STORE'S BALLOON (9/11/1992)



Great example. But can you find one that isn't older than Ballhawk?

If it were some kind of epidemic, I'd probably be concerned. But you know an argument is weak when people have to dig back to 1992 to find examples.

These kids didn't break in. 5 years seems like a very short sentence in this instance.

Chill Elder....I am just looking for local Alaska examples. The only other one I remember is this this preacher...a little more recent.....2005..at least its this century!

The Reverend Phillip Mielke is pastor of the Big Lake Community Chapel in Big Lake, Alaska. Concerned about security at the church, Rev. Mielke installed baby monitors linking the building to a bedroom in his home across the road and motion detectors that ring a chime and turn on a light in the church.

Shortly alter 4 a.m. on April 24, the pastor was awakened by a thumping noise over the intercom. He was not unduly concerned, since there had been periodic false alarms caused by passing cars, a heater, and even Christmas lights banging against the side of the building. As usual, however, he armed himself with a .44-caliber handgun--for which he had a conceal-carry permit--before investigating the disturbance.

As Rev. Mielke approached the building, he noticed that an empty car was idling near the parking lot and that the church's back door was ajar. Upon entering the building, he heard voices emanating from the basement. Rev. Mielke shouted over the intercom to his wife, Helen, urging her to call 911, but she did not hear him. Moments later, two men charged up the basement stairs toward him.

Unsure whether the intruders meant to harm him or merely to escape, Rev. Mielke ordered them to stop. When they did not, he fired twice. From the time he raised his gun to the moment he opened fire, the thieves apparently began turning around, as both were struck in the back. After they fell into a doorway leading to an outside deck, one collapsed and yelled, "I've been shot," but then rose and staggered from the building. Rev. Mielke saw the other man running toward the idling car and fired several additional shots at him. One bullet apparently struck the man in a foot. Despite his wounds, however, he managed to climb into the vehicle and speed away.

Mielke phoned 911 from the church. When state troopers arrived, they found Chris Palmer lying dead on a nearby road. He had been shot in the lower back. Several hours later, a woman called 911 to report that a man at her home had been shot. When investigators arrived, they found Francis Marion Jones IV dead from a back wound. He had also been shot in the left ankle.

During their search of the church basement, investigators found a loaded .357-caliber handgun later tied to Palmer by a DNA test. Also, a pair of brass knuckles was found in one of the dead duo's pockets.

Helen Mielke told the April 26 Anchorage Daily News that, in the wake of the incident, her husband and their family had received numerous sympathetic phone calls from Big Lake residents. "We just appreciate there's a lot of support from the community," she told the Daily News.

Prosecutors, however, were less sympathetic. Under Alaska law, deadly force during a burglary is justified "when and to the extent the person reasonably believes it is necessary to terminate what the person reasonably believes to be a burglary ... occurring in an occupied dwelling or building." While the basic facts of the case were not in dispute, prosecutors questioned whether Rev. Mielke had acted reasonably under the circumstances, charging him with two counts each of manslaughter and criminally negligent homicide. The pastor faced up to 20 years in prison if convicted.

During the month-long trial, which began September 25, prosecutor Bob Collins claimed that the pistol-packing preacher used deadly force to defend an unoccupied building, killing two men who were merely trying to get away. In contrast, the pastor's attorney, Jim Gilmore, described his client as a mild-mannered man who carried a gun for self-defense and used it in a "totally unexpected, out-of-control situation" in which he was forced to shoot two burglars as they rushed him inside his own church.

On October 27, after deliberating for a day and a haft, the seven-woman, five-man jury acquitted Rev. Mielke on all counts.

[Tarlam!]

I am glad the preacher was aquitted.

[Scott Campbell]

Sounds like justice was served - eventually. How bout a big hallelujah for the Rev. It's almost surprising to me that he got indicted.


Moral of the story - don't break and enter.

[Freak Out]

Just an FYI......Alaska law has since changed and any adult can carry a concealed weapon with a few restrictions. No permit required.

[Scott Campbell]

Just an FYI......Alaska law has since changed and any adult can carry a concealed weapon with a few restrictions. No permit required.



Have their been many wrongful deaths as a result?

[Tarlam!]

Oops. Wrong thread

[Freak Out]

Just an FYI......Alaska law has since changed and any adult can carry a concealed weapon with a few restrictions. No permit required.



Have their been many wrongful deaths as a result?

Absolutely not. Alaska has a long history of its citizens packing firearms concealed or not and there have been very few incidents that would warrant stricter regulations.

[bobblehead]

Sounds like justice was served - eventually. How bout a big hallelujah for the Rev. It's almost surprising to me that he got indicted.


Moral of the story - don't break and enter.

Moral of the story....if you break and enter you might end up dead. As far as the baloon guy goes, I don't know his story. Maybe these same teens stole shit from him over and over. Maybe he was a nutjob. maybe if some kids weren't sneaking around behind his building climbing on the roof of his livelihood they might not have been shot.

Moral of my story...better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

[mraynrand]

As far as the baloon guy goes, I don't know his story.

Why does this remind me of "The Perfect Human - MegaFemale 7" thread?

http://www.packerrats.com/ratchat/viewtopic.php?t=13026

[twoseven]

If I do nothing they come back later and kill someone who interrupts their next robbery. You tell me what is the best logical choice (since you want us to think first). Killing them is the best outcome.So every punk kid that does dumb shit goes on to a life of crime? I stole shit when I was a kid, I didn't turn into a murdering rapist killer. If you would prefer to shoot a 10 year old because you know he has no chance of turning out normal, that's fine, it's your call.

My opinion..do what you want, and take responisibilty for your own actions and we'll all be fine. I just don't want my rights to own and brandish my guns taken away one day because others abused theirs.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Bang bang.......oops! I think this guy got five years or so for manslaughter.

TEEN SHOT DEAD DURING PRANK SENIOR KILLED AFTER TRYING TO STEAL STORE'S BALLOON (9/11/1992)



Great example. But can you find one that isn't older than Ballhawk?

If it were some kind of epidemic, I'd probably be concerned. But you know an argument is weak when people have to dig back to 1992 to find examples.

These kids didn't break in. 5 years seems like a very short sentence in this instance.

Ok. Scott. Here is another one. I dont' think when it happened matters to the parents.

There was a man in Baton rouge who killed a teen at his door because he felt threatened. Remember the case. the teen was just mistaken and RANG THE FUCKING DOORBELL..and what a surprise..he was a minority...JAPANESE.

The man was acquitted. But, i'm sure that is fine with you.

[Scott Campbell]

The man was acquitted. But, i'm sure that is fine with you.



Why would you presume to know what I think?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Tyrone remembers one time in college..when he was a freshmen getting hammered with some buddies around the capital...an area unfamiliar to most of us.

One buddy got separated and walked home..or what he thought was his home. He entered a house that he thought was his...and passed out.

Guess he deserved to die. :roll:

[Scott Campbell]

Guess he deserved to die. :roll:


Maybe he just deserved better friends.

[Freak Out]

Sounds like justice was served - eventually. How bout a big hallelujah for the Rev. It's almost surprising to me that he got indicted.


Moral of the story - don't break and enter.

Moral of the story....if you break and enter you might end up dead. As far as the baloon guy goes, I don't know his story. Maybe these same teens stole shit from him over and over. Maybe he was a nutjob. maybe if some kids weren't sneaking around behind his building climbing on the roof of his livelihood they might not have been shot.

Moral of my story...better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6

The balloon guy should have gotten murder IMO. I don't remember why the DA didn't go for a harsher sentence but these kids didn't deserve this nutter shooting at them. Yes they had climbed on his business and were fucking around but in no way ever threatened him. There was some justifiable outrage over the five year sentence. (I believe he ended up serving three years)

The church had been broken into a number of times by these big lake losers and they were caught inside.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time fuckers.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Guess he deserved to die. :roll:


Maybe he just deserved better friends.

Probably...we shoulda given him a gun for protection.

[Scott Campbell]

Guess he deserved to die. :roll:


Maybe he just deserved better friends.

Probably...we shoulda given him a gun for protection.


Did he die?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Guess he deserved to die. :roll:


Maybe he just deserved better friends.

Probably...we shoulda given him a gun for protection.


Did he die?

Of course not...it was madison.

The point was that under your premise he coulda been killed...for simply being a drunk college student.

The funnies part of the story was that he passed out on the couch while the parents were gone and their 16 year old daughter was upstairs. Everything ended with a smile.

As opposed to the tears of Mr. Hattori whose son died because he rang the wrong doorbell.

[Scott Campbell]

The point was .............


..........he deserved better friends.

[MJZiggy]

Ya know, I was just reading over some of the posts in this thread, and you guys are talking as if you shoot to kill even if it's a kid. Do you not look at what you're shooting before you pull the trigger? A 12-year old boy looks quite different from a 20-year old man. 27, I'm sure that armed with a gun, even a startled housewife can look and see that it was a couple of kids who walked into the room.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The point was .............


..........he deserved better friends.

Or to be shot...so we all could learn a lesson about getting hammered and making mistakes.

Prolly Hattori shoulda had better friends as well...damn them for trying to take a 16 year old to a halloween party. Bastards.

[Scott Campbell]

.........so we all could learn a lesson about getting hammered and making mistakes.



I think the 1000's of people killed and maimed by drunk drivers would be more effective than some kid who woke up hungover but otherwise unscathed - despite your tragic imaginary ending.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

.........so we all could learn a lesson about getting hammered and making mistakes.



I think the 1000's of people killed and maimed by drunk drivers would be more effective than some kid who woke up hungover but otherwise unscathed - despite your tragic imaginary ending.

But, we always walked...driving has no application for a huge amount of college students.

We needed him to die.

Just like we needed Hattori to die..so we don't have any more japanese AFS students...or halloween parties.

I think we all can agree that japanese and pagan holidays have no part in this country.

[Scott Campbell]

Just like we needed Hattori to die........


I think the only reason you needed Hattori to die was so that you could exploit the tragic death in a silly argument. Tough luck for the family, but good news for Tryone! I'm sure their parents will be pleased that you brought the memory of their slain child up in such a meaningful and respectful way.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Just like we needed Hattori to die........


I think the only reason you needed Hattori to die was so that you could exploit the tragic death in a silly argument. Tough luck for the family, but good news for Tryone! I'm sure their parents will be pleased that you brought the memory of their slain child up in such a meaningful and respectful way.

Silly argument. That is rich. Your basis for Mr. Horn was that it was legal. Mr. Pearrs was exonerated....legal. Yet, anyone with a brain can see that being legal don't mean it is right.

P.S. Didn't you ask for examples. Now you are complaining. Rich.

[Scott Campbell]

Just like we needed Hattori to die........


I think the only reason you needed Hattori to die was so that you could exploit the tragic death in a silly argument. Tough luck for the family, but good news for Tryone! I'm sure their parents will be pleased that you brought the memory of their slain child up in such a meaningful and respectful way.

Silly argument. That is rich. Your basis for Mr. Horn was that it was legal. Mr. Pearrs was exonerated....legal. Yet, anyone with a brain can see that being legal don't mean it is right.

P.S. Didn't you ask for examples. Now you are complaining. Rich.


I just made an observation. There was no complaint.

You seem to read things that aren't really there. A lot. Like when you said I libeled OJ. And then you re-read the statement, and had to apologize. :lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Just like we needed Hattori to die........


I think the only reason you needed Hattori to die was so that you could exploit the tragic death in a silly argument. Tough luck for the family, but good news for Tryone! I'm sure their parents will be pleased that you brought the memory of their slain child up in such a meaningful and respectful way.

Silly argument. That is rich. Your basis for Mr. Horn was that it was legal. Mr. Pearrs was exonerated....legal. Yet, anyone with a brain can see that being legal don't mean it is right.

P.S. Didn't you ask for examples. Now you are complaining. Rich.


I just made an observation. There was no complaint.

You seem to read things that aren't really there. A lot. Like when you said I libeled OJ. And then you re-read the statement, and had to apologize. :lol:

Your observation reads as a complaint..or indictment. Terms like exploit, silly, good news, meaninful and respectful aren't just observations..they show a viewpoint.

I'm not reading what isn't already there.

[Scott Campbell]

Your observation reads as a complaint..or indictment. Terms like exploit, silly, good news, meaninful and respectful aren't just observations..they show a viewpoint.

I'm not reading what isn't already there.



Sure Tyrone. You're as dead right on this one as you were on libel. You just can't admit it today. :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

.........and what a surprise..he was a minority...JAPANESE.



Hmmm. Race baiting again Tyrone? Aren't you turning into a bit of a one trick pony?

[Scott Campbell]

..........

[Tyrone Bigguns]

.........and what a surprise..he was a minority...JAPANESE.



Hmmm. Race baiting again Tyrone? Aren't you turning into a bit of a one trick pony?

Facts is facts. White man shoots minority.

Scary 16 year old japanese kid.

But, i'm sure the wife woulda been just as frightened of a white 16 year old ringing her door bell. :roll:

[Scott Campbell]

Facts is facts. White man shoots minority.


http://brownsugarpages.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/alsharpton.jpg

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Your observation reads as a complaint..or indictment. Terms like exploit, silly, good news, meaninful and respectful aren't just observations..they show a viewpoint.

I'm not reading what isn't already there.



Sure Tyrone. You're as dead right on this one as you were on libel. You just can't admit it today. :lol:

Sure Scott. Hard to imagine you would be using those terms positively. good to know you approve of how i used hattori. :oops:

Complaint: expression of discontent, faultfinding, etc. Pretty much what you were doing.

You know how to get out of a hole, scott? Stop diggin.

[Scott Campbell]

You know how to get out of a hole, scott?


Well, your wife filed for divorce. So that's one way.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Facts is facts. White man shoots minority.


http://brownsugarpages.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/alsharpton.jpg

What is your explanation scott. Pray tell..why do you think she was frightened.

[Scott Campbell]

Pray tell..why do you think she was frightened.


I don't think she's was frightened - I imagine she got tired of your bullshit, just like everybody else.

Of course I'm just speculating.

[mraynrand]

There was a man in Baton rouge who killed a teen at his door because he felt threatened. Remember the case. the teen was just mistaken and RANG THE FUCKING DOORBELL..and what a surprise..he was a minority...JAPANESE.

The man was acquitted. But, i'm sure that is fine with you.

The critical point to this story is that it's so routine. Thousands of teenage Japanese and other ethnic minorities are killed every year for ringing the wrong doorbell. It's almost as bad as the 1870's when the Union troops left the south. Remember folks, these are not isolated incidents, and they should be trumpeted as 'the norm' in America.

[Scott Campbell]

There was a man in Baton rouge who killed a teen at his door because he felt threatened. Remember the case. the teen was just mistaken and RANG THE FUCKING DOORBELL..and what a surprise..he was a minority...JAPANESE.

The man was acquitted. But, i'm sure that is fine with you.

The critical point to this story is that it's so routine. Thousands of teenage Japanese and other ethnic minorities are killed every year for ringing the wrong doorbell. It's almost as bad as the 1870's when the Union troops left the south. Remember folks, these are not isolated incidents, and they should be trumpeted as 'the norm' in America.


Exactly. The wonderful thing about Halloween is that the kids coming onto the porch think that all the other dead kids on your porch are just festive decorations. You can shoot whole bunches of em. Yee ha!!! Or, if you're really just still pissed off about Pearl Harbor, you can give candy to the white kids, and save your ammo for the Japanese.

[Scott Campbell]

We seem to have lost Tyrone. I guess it was the picture of Reverend Al........

[Freak Out]

I was in Kodiak going fishing with my father a few years ago and turned on his CD player in the car.....first song was "Praise the lord and pass the ammunition".

[twoseven]

27, I'm sure that armed with a gun, even a startled housewife can look and see that it was a couple of kids who walked into the room.I'm a little curious as to the point you are trying to make to me..you are basically echoing the sentiments I have been soapboxing in every one of my posts in this string.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Pray tell..why do you think she was frightened.


I don't think she's was frightened - I imagine she got tired of your bullshit, just like everybody else.

Of course I'm just speculating.

Ah, now resorting to this type of attack. expected more from you.

"He was coming real fast, and it just clicked in my mind that he was going to hurt us. I slammed the door and locked it. I took two steps into the living room, where Rod could see me and I could see him. I told him to get the gun."

Yep, 130 pound japanese kid..in a white tuxedo..in costume as travolta from Saturday Night Fever. Well, i can see it...that is extremely terrifying. :roll:

Let's review the testimony.

Moreau (DA): "It started with the ringing of the doorbell. No masks, no disguises. People ringing doorbells are not attempting to make unlawful entry. They didn't walk to the back yard, they didn't start peeking in the windows."

"You were safe and secure, weren't you?" Moreau asked Peairs during his appearance before the grand jury. "But you didn't call the police, did you?"
"No sir." Peairs said.
"Did you hear anyone trying to break in the front door?"
"No sir."
"Did you hear anyone trying to break in the carport door?"
"No sir."
"And you were standing right there at the door, weren't you - with a big gun?"
Peairs nodded.
"I know you're sorry you killed him. You are sorry, aren't you?"
"Yes sir."
"But you did kill him, didn't you?"
"Yes sir."

jurors deliberated for three and a quarter hours, Peairs was acquitted...under the LA "kill the burglar" statute.

Let's hear how this is just fine. It was legal. He was acquitted. Please argue on Mr. Peairs' behalf.

[twoseven]

Exactly. The wonderful thing about Halloween is that the kids coming onto the porch think that all the other dead kids on your porch are just festive decorations. You can shoot whole bunches of em. Yee ha!!! Or, if you're really just still pissed off about Pearl Harbor, you can give candy to the white kids, and save your ammo for the Japanese.Ok, now that sounds very similar to the Reno 911 Hallwoeen epsiode..Asian kids stealing crap from in front of the undersexed female cops' trailer, so she lay in wait for them with the gun.

[Scott Campbell]

.......I have been soapboxing in every one of my posts in this string.


I'm not sure I agree with everything you said, but you do soapboxing right.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You know how to get out of a hole, scott?


Well, your wife filed for divorce. So that's one way.

Pretty much a tacit admission that you are wrong when you resort to this type of behavior.

[Scott Campbell]

Please argue on Mr. Peairs' behalf.


Same answer as last time. I can't really argue on a case I know nothing about. Even if you say pretty please.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

There was a man in Baton rouge who killed a teen at his door because he felt threatened. Remember the case. the teen was just mistaken and RANG THE FUCKING DOORBELL..and what a surprise..he was a minority...JAPANESE.

The man was acquitted. But, i'm sure that is fine with you.

The critical point to this story is that it's so routine. Thousands of teenage Japanese and other ethnic minorities are killed every year for ringing the wrong doorbell. It's almost as bad as the 1870's when the Union troops left the south. Remember folks, these are not isolated incidents, and they should be trumpeted as 'the norm' in America.

Who trumpeted it as the norm.

The critical point..which is so blindingly obvious to everyone but you...is that mr. peairs was ACQUITTED.

Six two, 200 plus pound man and a 130 pound japanese kid who did nothing more than ring a doorbell.

[Scott Campbell]

Pretty much a tacit admission that you are wrong when you resort to this type of behavior.


Why don't you save that weak shit for your iPhone arguments with Partial. You damn well deserve every punking you've ever gotten.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Pretty much a tacit admission that you are wrong when you resort to this type of behavior.


Why don't you save that weak shit for your iPhone arguments with Partial. You damn well deserve every punking you've ever gotten.

I see...my divorce was germane to this subject?

Must have missed it.

Stay classy, Scott.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Please argue on Mr. Peairs' behalf.


Same answer as last time. I can't really argue on a case I know nothing about. Even if you say pretty please.

Yet, you somehow post all the time when you know nothing....why stop now?

[Scott Campbell]

Pretty much a tacit admission that you are wrong when you resort to this type of behavior.


Why don't you save that weak shit for your iPhone arguments with Partial. You damn well deserve every punking you've ever gotten.

I see...my divorce was germane to this subject?

Must have missed it.

Stay classy, Scott.


You veered off with the digging out of the hole comment. I just joined you down there in your gutter.

I expect an outpouring of sympathy for your plight to commence at any moment. You know, because you're so classy and stuff.

[Scott Campbell]

..........why stop now?



Because its annoying you. :lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Pretty much a tacit admission that you are wrong when you resort to this type of behavior.


Why don't you save that weak shit for your iPhone arguments with Partial. You damn well deserve every punking you've ever gotten.

I see...my divorce was germane to this subject?

Must have missed it.

Stay classy, Scott.


You veered off with the digging out of the hole comment. I just joined you down there in your gutter.

I expect an outpouring of sympathy for your plight to commence at any moment. You know, because you're so classy and stuff.

Veered off? Oh, it was me? I didn't realize that your post of me exploiting the death was on topic. Sigh.

Saying you are digging yourself outta a hole is the gutter? Get serious scott.

Give yourself some credit scott. You didn't join me in the gutter...you invited me into the sewer.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

..........why stop now?



Because its annoying you. :lol:

I think you meant to write "amusing" instead of annoying.

I'll let it slide.

[Scott Campbell]

Aw don't be angry you big baby. :lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Aw don't be angry you big baby. :lol:

Angry? Who is angry?

I know it ain't your fault...white people been insensitive to minorities for years. You can't help yourself.

I forgive you..even if you can't forgive yourself.

[Scott Campbell]

I forgive you.


That's awfully big of you! Thanks! :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

P.S. I apologize.



So you forgive me, and apologize - all in 24 hours. This is a new and improved Tyrone. I like it. I'm really not sure how to say this without sounding gay, but you're sweet. Maybe you are learning something about interpersonal relationships.


:lol:

[MJZiggy]

I'm not sure which is worse, you two fighting for days on end or this...get a room already. :oops:

[Scott Campbell]

Like I said, if it's not me, it'd be Partial or Tarlam or Mad or Tex or Woody or HowardRoark or whomever. What's the difference.

[RashanGary]

I would shoot somebody who was raping a woman. That often turns into the rape victim being killed.

However, if someone breaks into my house it would be hard not to shoot them if they were coming at me in an aggressive way. What is the law on that? If someone is in your home what rights to you have to protect yourself? Does anyone know the precidents in Wisconsin court? What do you have to say to make it OK?

[Kiwon]

Would possessing a handgun have deterred this sick perv into choosing other victims?

Probably, if he knew you had it and weren't afraid to use it.

.................................................. ..........................................

Wisconsin Man Accused of Chaining and Sexually Assaulting 2 Men

Thursday , July 10, 2008

(AP) WISCONSIN RAPIDS, Wisconsin —

A 46-year-old man abducted two men in their 20s, chained them up at his rural house and sexually assaulted them before one managed to escape and get help, according to court documents filed Wednesday.

Edward Lanphear, 46, was ordered held on $1 million bond, but court records online did not show charges filed against him as of Wednesday evening. The Wood County jail confirmed he remained in custody but would not release any attorney information for him.

A 23-year-old man was held in Lanphear's home from Saturday until Tuesday, according to an affidavit filed by sheriff's investigators seeking support for Lanphear's arrest. The young man had told friends Friday that he was going to walk home after a fireworks show, the Wisconsin Rapids Daily Tribune reported.

Lanphear was driving the man home when he pulled over, told him he was a police officer and handcuffed him, the affidavit said.

When one of the handcuffs became loose, Lanphear hit the man in the head and knocked him out, the document said. When the man revived, he was chained up in Lanphear's basement.

The affidavit said Lanphear used a knife to cut off the man's clothing and sexually assaulted him at least three times while he was restrained.

The document says Lanphear attached a string to a shotgun and connected the string to the man's chains, warning him that if he moved the gun would shoot him, the affidavit says.

Another affidavit says that sometime Sunday or Monday a 21-year-old man got drunk at a Wisconsin Rapids bar and passed out in his car, then later woke up naked and hanging in Lanphear's garage by locked chains.

He told authorities Lanphear hit him with a metal pipe and sexually assaulted him. His hands were bound by chains and flex cuffs, and he was blindfolded, the affidavit says.

The man somehow escaped and fled, still wearing chains, to a house across the street, where people there called police. Officers who went to the scene found the 23-year-old in the basement.

The 23-year-old was taken to a hospital and treated for injuries, but the affidavits don't give information about medical treatment of the other man.

The 21-year-old man identified his captor, saying Lanphear frequented the same Wisconsin Rapids bar, the documents said.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

P.S. I apologize.



So you forgive me, and apologize - all in 24 hours. This is a new and improved Tyrone. I like it. I'm really not sure how to say this without sounding gay, but you're sweet. Maybe you are learning something about interpersonal relationships.


:lol:

Credit must be given to Obama! He has inspired me.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'm not sure which is worse, you two fighting for days on end or this...get a room already. :oops:

It is shameless how scott continues to flirt with me.

I, however, will never be with him. I'm afraid of what it would do to him...once you go black, you never go back....and with him in utah...slim pickins for him.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'm not sure which is worse, you two fighting for days on end or this...get a room already. :oops:

:lol:


I'm not sure he'll have me now.



I'll apologize in advance for those of you I'm about to leave out. If it's not me, it'd be Partial or Tarlam or Mad or Tex or Woody or whomever. What's the difference.

Woody is your special buddy. As is Harlan.

I respect your relationships...i won't steal them from you.

[HowardRoark]

[quote=Scott Campbell]Aw don't be angry you big baby. :lol:

Angry? Who is angry?

I know it ain't your fault...white people been insensitive to minorities for years. You can't help yourself.

Misplaced righteous indignation, and parochial too. Think Globally, Act Locally! Or something.

Time to leave your enclave.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Woody is your special buddy. As is Harlan.

I respect your relationships...i won't steal them from you.

Woody and I have a relationship with Scott Campbell in the same sense that John Lennon had a relationship with Mark David Chapman. The "relationship" exists only in the strange brew of neurotransmitters swimming around Mr. Campbell's head.

[Scott Campbell]

Woody and I have a relationship........................




So which one of you is Yoko? :lol: And why am I always the shooter?


And I thought you two had a relationship, but it ended abruptly.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

[quote=Scott Campbell]Aw don't be angry you big baby. :lol:

Angry? Who is angry?

I know it ain't your fault...white people been insensitive to minorities for years. You can't help yourself.

Misplaced righteous indignation, and parochial too. Think Globally, Act Locally! Or something.

Time to leave your enclave.

Typical white guy response...determining how a minority should think. Sigh. Doesn't it ever get tiring telling people what to do?

If you continue, you might as well become a democrat.

[Scott Campbell]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

You mean my black outrage is just now starting hit you?

[HowardRoark]

[quote=Scott Campbell]Aw don't be angry you big baby. :lol:

Angry? Who is angry?

I know it ain't your fault...white people been insensitive to minorities for years. You can't help yourself.

Misplaced righteous indignation, and parochial too. Think Globally, Act Locally! Or something.

Time to leave your enclave.

Typical white guy response...determining how a minority should think. Sigh. Doesn't it ever get tiring telling people what to do?

If you continue, you might as well become a democrat.

I am a minority. And a democrat. Or did you mean Democrat?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

[quote=Scott Campbell]Aw don't be angry you big baby. :lol:

Angry? Who is angry?

I know it ain't your fault...white people been insensitive to minorities for years. You can't help yourself.

Misplaced righteous indignation, and parochial too. Think Globally, Act Locally! Or something.

Time to leave your enclave.

Typical white guy response...determining how a minority should think. Sigh. Doesn't it ever get tiring telling people what to do?

If you continue, you might as well become a democrat.

I am a minority. And a democrat. Or did you mean Democrat?

Just like a white person...worried about grammar and punctuation.

ty is a man of the streets.

[Scott Campbell]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

You mean my black outrage is just now starting hit you?


Just because you once bought a Run DMC album, it doesn't make you black. Real black men have black outrage. You've contracted some form of mutated teen angst.

[HowardRoark]

[quote=Scott Campbell]Aw don't be angry you big baby. :lol:

Angry? Who is angry?

I know it ain't your fault...white people been insensitive to minorities for years. You can't help yourself.

Misplaced righteous indignation, and parochial too. Think Globally, Act Locally! Or something.

Time to leave your enclave.

Typical white guy response...determining how a minority should think. Sigh. Doesn't it ever get tiring telling people what to do?

If you continue, you might as well become a democrat.

I am a minority. And a democrat. Or did you mean Democrat?

Just like a white person...worried about grammar and punctuation.

ty is a man of the streets.

Get on board, the times are changin.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXrLnshM_ME

[bobblehead]

Ya know, I was just reading over some of the posts in this thread, and you guys are talking as if you shoot to kill even if it's a kid. Do you not look at what you're shooting before you pull the trigger? A 12-year old boy looks quite different from a 20-year old man. 27, I'm sure that armed with a gun, even a startled housewife can look and see that it was a couple of kids who walked into the room.

Don't worry ziggy, I would never actually shoot a kid that I can determine to be a kid. If a kid broke into my house in the middle of the night and it was dark and I feared for my or others safety he might end up shot, but not intentionally. I was being very sarcastic most of the way with people trying to equate Joe Horn shooting repeat criminals and his whole situation to kids stealing balloons or whatever other absurd strawman they were setting up.

Bottom line is this: If you are a criminal acting criminally and you end up dead I will never vote to put the guy who shot you in jail. If you are a guy who shot a couple kids in the back because they pulled a prank, then I have to see the entire situation to make any judgement. But again, these are all strawman arguements to somehow put joe horn in the wrong.

[Partial]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

[Zool]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

Maybe you should take your nose out of his tightey whiteys?

[HowardRoark]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

I’m glad you mentioned this. As I am new here, I find it very difficult dealing with this fellow Tyrone. Do other people find him to be difficult too?

Sometimes he sounds like someone who could have been raised in Shorewood, gone to college in Madison, bounced around the country and now lives in some uppity white neighborhood somewhere.

Sure, he doesn’t have original thoughts, and tends to cut and past his arguments from Wiki and The History Channel, but overall, a harmless Jewish middle aged man.

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.

Ironic I guess. A liberal who always has the answers on how everyone else is wrong daily insults black people through this character.

[mraynrand]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

I’m glad you mentioned this. As I am new here, I find it very difficult dealing with this fellow Tyrone. Do other people find him to be difficult too?

Sometimes he sounds like someone who could have been raised in Shorewood, gone to college in Madison, bounced around the country and now lives in some uppity white neighborhood somewhere.

Sure, he doesn’t have original thoughts, and tends to cut and past his arguments from Wiki and The History Channel, but overall, a harmless Jewish middle aged man.

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.

Ironic I guess. A liberal who always has the answers on how everyone else is wrong daily insults black people through this character.

I think you've pretty much summed it up.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.


The politics here are dominated by very conservative people. You are lucky that Tyrone hangs around to argue with you, otherwise it would just be a 24-7 right wing circle jerk. Actually that's pretty close to what we have anyway.

As far as Tryone being offensive, he has never offended me, he is just playing around.

Sorry to interrupt the jerk-off! As you were, lads.

[Scott Campbell]

As far as Tryone being offensive, he has never offended me, he is just playing around.




Pfft. You just like the big imaginary black penis stories.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

I’m glad you mentioned this. As I am new here, I find it very difficult dealing with this fellow Tyrone. Do other people find him to be difficult too?

Sometimes he sounds like someone who could have been raised in Shorewood, gone to college in Madison, bounced around the country and now lives in some uppity white neighborhood somewhere.

Sure, he doesn’t have original thoughts, and tends to cut and past his arguments from Wiki and The History Channel, but overall, a harmless Jewish middle aged man.

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.

Ironic I guess. A liberal who always has the answers on how everyone else is wrong daily insults black people through this character.

Shorewood? A little bit low rent for Ty's taste.

Original thoughts: Pot meet kettle. BTW, your friend rand says there is nothing original..so, why pick on me for that.

Jewish: Interesting that you find it compelling to note someone's religion. Is that customary from white people? I can't understand why that would be an adjective necessary.

Please ascribe all the other poster's religions. We await with baited breath.

Racist: Really, i don't think you understand the meaning of racism. Please point out one post where i suggested that a race is superior to another.

Stereotypes: Please point them out. Which stereotypes am i bringing out?

Ty has come to the conclusion that you aren't like roark from rand..you are more like roark from fantasy island.

Whereas Roark comes off as just another suburban white guy from the burbs of minneapolis..perhaps educated...or should i say subjected to a liberal education at his high school..edina or some other burb, or maybe he attended the toney blake or breck. Then, because he didn't cut it...he had to go to a liberal public institution...but, he hated every minute of it.

That terrible liberal institution forced him into getting a good education where he was able to succeed thru much hardship...reprogramming himself..and found a career that he does fairly well at..enough to afford private school for his kids. Damn that hippy UW and its faculty.

Then, because he was so worldly...he returned home..back to a nice white state..right back to his comfy burbs....with the occasional misty remembrance of gleucks, the KK, and fucking sorority girls. Sigh.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

Maybe you should take your nose out of his tightey whiteys?

Ty resents that...ty rarely wears underwear, but when he does...something in a low rise, bikini mesh.

[Zool]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

Maybe you should take your nose out of his tightey whiteys?

Ty resents that...ty rarely wears underwear, but when he does...something in a low rise, bikini mesh.

Zool does not approve of Ty stealing lines from Stripes.

[HowardRoark]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

I’m glad you mentioned this. As I am new here, I find it very difficult dealing with this fellow Tyrone. Do other people find him to be difficult too?

Sometimes he sounds like someone who could have been raised in Shorewood, gone to college in Madison, bounced around the country and now lives in some uppity white neighborhood somewhere.

Sure, he doesn’t have original thoughts, and tends to cut and past his arguments from Wiki and The History Channel, but overall, a harmless Jewish middle aged man.

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.

Ironic I guess. A liberal who always has the answers on how everyone else is wrong daily insults black people through this character.

Shorewood? A little bit low rent for Ty's taste.

Original thoughts: Pot meet kettle. BTW, your friend rand says there is nothing original..so, why pick on me for that.

Jewish: Interesting that you find it compelling to note someone's religion. Is that customary from white people? I can't understand why that would be an adjective necessary.

Please ascribe all the other poster's religions. We await with baited breath.

Racist: Really, i don't think you understand the meaning of racism. Please point out one post where i suggested that a race is superior to another.

Stereotypes: Please point them out. Which stereotypes am i bringing out?

Ty has come to the conclusion that you aren't like roark from rand..you are more like roark from fantasy island.

Whereas Roark comes off as just another suburban white guy from the burbs of minneapolis..perhaps educated...or should i say subjected to a liberal education at his high school..edina or some other burb, or maybe he attended the toney blake or breck. Then, because he didn't cut it...he had to go to a liberal public institution...but, he hated every minute of it.

That terrible liberal institution forced him into getting a good education where he was able to succeed thru much hardship...reprogramming himself..and found a career that he does fairly well at..enough to afford private school for his kids. Damn that hippy UW and its faculty.

Then, because he was so worldly...he returned home..back to a nice white state..right back to his comfy burbs....with the occasional misty remembrance of gleucks, the KK, and fucking sorority girls. Sigh.

As soon as I typed the word racist, I realized I was breaking one of my pet peeves; misusing the words racist and prejudice. For that I apologize Ty. You are right. I was going to change it, but thought I could get it past you.

Little Ty certainly does play to our prejudices when thinking about black people. You can at least admit that.

Other than that, I grew up north of Milwaukee, so I never had the misfortune of dealing with Edina or Blake classmates. I went to a parochial high school in Milwaukee that was half white half black. So I don't have any "white guilt."

Oh, by the way, I have a black neighbor. We were just out on the Lake the other day, so no, it’s not as white as you would like to imagine.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

I’m glad you mentioned this. As I am new here, I find it very difficult dealing with this fellow Tyrone. Do other people find him to be difficult too?

Sometimes he sounds like someone who could have been raised in Shorewood, gone to college in Madison, bounced around the country and now lives in some uppity white neighborhood somewhere.

Sure, he doesn’t have original thoughts, and tends to cut and past his arguments from Wiki and The History Channel, but overall, a harmless Jewish middle aged man.

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.

Ironic I guess. A liberal who always has the answers on how everyone else is wrong daily insults black people through this character.

Shorewood? A little bit low rent for Ty's taste.

Original thoughts: Pot meet kettle. BTW, your friend rand says there is nothing original..so, why pick on me for that.

Jewish: Interesting that you find it compelling to note someone's religion. Is that customary from white people? I can't understand why that would be an adjective necessary.

Please ascribe all the other poster's religions. We await with baited breath.

Racist: Really, i don't think you understand the meaning of racism. Please point out one post where i suggested that a race is superior to another.

Stereotypes: Please point them out. Which stereotypes am i bringing out?

Ty has come to the conclusion that you aren't like roark from rand..you are more like roark from fantasy island.

Whereas Roark comes off as just another suburban white guy from the burbs of minneapolis..perhaps educated...or should i say subjected to a liberal education at his high school..edina or some other burb, or maybe he attended the toney blake or breck. Then, because he didn't cut it...he had to go to a liberal public institution...but, he hated every minute of it.

That terrible liberal institution forced him into getting a good education where he was able to succeed thru much hardship...reprogramming himself..and found a career that he does fairly well at..enough to afford private school for his kids. Damn that hippy UW and its faculty.

Then, because he was so worldly...he returned home..back to a nice white state..right back to his comfy burbs....with the occasional misty remembrance of gleucks, the KK, and fucking sorority girls. Sigh.

As soon as I typed the word racist, I realized I was breaking one of my pet peeves; misusing the words racist and prejudice. For that I apologize Ty. You are right. I was going to change it, but thought I could get it past you.

Little Ty certainly does play to our prejudices when thinking about black people. You can at least admit that.

Other than that, I grew up north of Milwaukee, so I never had the misfortune of dealing with Edina or Blake classmates.

Oh, by the way, I have a black neighbor. We were just out on the Lake the other day, so no, it’s not as white as you would like to imagine.

Of course you thought that..typical white guy/karl rove/lee atwater technique. Repeat the lie until it is believed or just spew enough lies that can't be addressed.

Prejudices: care to point them out. Or, will it just be more baseless accusations.

BTW, my avatar is Ty Bigguns..not black man. I feel that is quite prejudice on your part to assume that one black man speaks for all. Ty is Ty and speaks for no one other than ty.

Milwaukee: My god, how did you survive that terrible liberal state and succeed? We need to change everything since it clearly has failed you and the rest of all the successful people in the state.

Change it from edina...to let's say Whitefolks bay...Ty feels that you may have attended dominican. Ty doubts you went to U school...the shame you woulda brought on your family by attending UW woulda been too much.

But, Ty commends you on you move northward....less dark skinned people up there.

But, as always interesting how you feel the need to bring up someone's religion or race. You have a black neighbor. SUPER.

Still waiting to hear how one's religion is a necessary adjective, my friend.

Lake: Awesome. Were you both wearing your topsiders?

[HowardRoark]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

I’m glad you mentioned this. As I am new here, I find it very difficult dealing with this fellow Tyrone. Do other people find him to be difficult too?

Sometimes he sounds like someone who could have been raised in Shorewood, gone to college in Madison, bounced around the country and now lives in some uppity white neighborhood somewhere.

Sure, he doesn’t have original thoughts, and tends to cut and past his arguments from Wiki and The History Channel, but overall, a harmless Jewish middle aged man.

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.

Ironic I guess. A liberal who always has the answers on how everyone else is wrong daily insults black people through this character.

Shorewood? A little bit low rent for Ty's taste.

Original thoughts: Pot meet kettle. BTW, your friend rand says there is nothing original..so, why pick on me for that.

Jewish: Interesting that you find it compelling to note someone's religion. Is that customary from white people? I can't understand why that would be an adjective necessary.

Please ascribe all the other poster's religions. We await with baited breath.

Racist: Really, i don't think you understand the meaning of racism. Please point out one post where i suggested that a race is superior to another.

Stereotypes: Please point them out. Which stereotypes am i bringing out?

Ty has come to the conclusion that you aren't like roark from rand..you are more like roark from fantasy island.

Whereas Roark comes off as just another suburban white guy from the burbs of minneapolis..perhaps educated...or should i say subjected to a liberal education at his high school..edina or some other burb, or maybe he attended the toney blake or breck. Then, because he didn't cut it...he had to go to a liberal public institution...but, he hated every minute of it.

That terrible liberal institution forced him into getting a good education where he was able to succeed thru much hardship...reprogramming himself..and found a career that he does fairly well at..enough to afford private school for his kids. Damn that hippy UW and its faculty.

Then, because he was so worldly...he returned home..back to a nice white state..right back to his comfy burbs....with the occasional misty remembrance of gleucks, the KK, and fucking sorority girls. Sigh.

As soon as I typed the word racist, I realized I was breaking one of my pet peeves; misusing the words racist and prejudice. For that I apologize Ty. You are right. I was going to change it, but thought I could get it past you.

Little Ty certainly does play to our prejudices when thinking about black people. You can at least admit that.

Other than that, I grew up north of Milwaukee, so I never had the misfortune of dealing with Edina or Blake classmates.

Oh, by the way, I have a black neighbor. We were just out on the Lake the other day, so no, it’s not as white as you would like to imagine.

Of course you thought that..typical white guy/karl rove/lee atwater technique. Repeat the lie until it is believed or just spew enough lies that can't be addressed.

Prejudices: care to point them out. Or, will it just be more baseless accusations.

BTW, my avatar is Ty Bigguns..not black man. I feel that is quite prejudice on your part to assume that one black man speaks for all. Ty is Ty and speaks for no one other than ty.

Milwaukee: My god, how did you survive that terrible liberal state and succeed? We need to change everything since it clearly has failed you and the rest of all the successful people in the state.

Change it from edina...to let's say Whitefolks bay...Ty feels that you may have attended dominican. Ty doubts you went to U school...the shame you woulda brought on your family by attending UW woulda been too much.

But, Ty commends you on you move northward....less dark skinned people up there.

But, as always interesting how you feel the need to bring up someone's religion or race. You have a black neighbor. SUPER.

Still waiting to hear how one's religion is a necessary adjective, my friend.

Lake: Awesome. Were you both wearing your topsiders?

Who the hell ever brought up religion? I said you were Jewish. I thought that was ethnic.

I am not looking for an award for having a black neighbor, merely pointing out one more prejudice on your part.

No topsiders. Just water wings. Don't you know that blacks are not aquatic people?

[Scott Campbell]

Like I said, if it's not me, it'd be Partial or Tarlam or Mad or Tex or Woody or HowardRoark or whomever. What's the difference.

[MJZiggy]

Instructions for not quoting 45 feet of previous post:

1. click the quote button.
2. After it says

delete everything until you get to and stop before you delete the last [/quote].

You guys are giving me carpal tunnel.

[HowardRoark]

Instructions for not quoting 45 feet of previous post:

1. click the quote button.
2. After it says

delete everything until you get to and stop before you delete the last .

You guys are giving me carpal tunnel.[/quote]

Thanks. I will try that.

As far as carpal tunnel......oh forget it.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

I’m glad you mentioned this. As I am new here, I find it very difficult dealing with this fellow Tyrone. Do other people find him to be difficult too?

Sometimes he sounds like someone who could have been raised in Shorewood, gone to college in Madison, bounced around the country and now lives in some uppity white neighborhood somewhere.

Sure, he doesn’t have original thoughts, and tends to cut and past his arguments from Wiki and The History Channel, but overall, a harmless Jewish middle aged man.

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.

Ironic I guess. A liberal who always has the answers on how everyone else is wrong daily insults black people through this character.

Shorewood? A little bit low rent for Ty's taste.

Original thoughts: Pot meet kettle. BTW, your friend rand says there is nothing original..so, why pick on me for that.

Jewish: Interesting that you find it compelling to note someone's religion. Is that customary from white people? I can't understand why that would be an adjective necessary.

Please ascribe all the other poster's religions. We await with baited breath.

Racist: Really, i don't think you understand the meaning of racism. Please point out one post where i suggested that a race is superior to another.

Stereotypes: Please point them out. Which stereotypes am i bringing out?

Ty has come to the conclusion that you aren't like roark from rand..you are more like roark from fantasy island.

Whereas Roark comes off as just another suburban white guy from the burbs of minneapolis..perhaps educated...or should i say subjected to a liberal education at his high school..edina or some other burb, or maybe he attended the toney blake or breck. Then, because he didn't cut it...he had to go to a liberal public institution...but, he hated every minute of it.

That terrible liberal institution forced him into getting a good education where he was able to succeed thru much hardship...reprogramming himself..and found a career that he does fairly well at..enough to afford private school for his kids. Damn that hippy UW and its faculty.

Then, because he was so worldly...he returned home..back to a nice white state..right back to his comfy burbs....with the occasional misty remembrance of gleucks, the KK, and fucking sorority girls. Sigh.

As soon as I typed the word racist, I realized I was breaking one of my pet peeves; misusing the words racist and prejudice. For that I apologize Ty. You are right. I was going to change it, but thought I could get it past you.

Little Ty certainly does play to our prejudices when thinking about black people. You can at least admit that.

Other than that, I grew up north of Milwaukee, so I never had the misfortune of dealing with Edina or Blake classmates.

Oh, by the way, I have a black neighbor. We were just out on the Lake the other day, so no, it’s not as white as you would like to imagine.

Of course you thought that..typical white guy/karl rove/lee atwater technique. Repeat the lie until it is believed or just spew enough lies that can't be addressed.

Prejudices: care to point them out. Or, will it just be more baseless accusations.

BTW, my avatar is Ty Bigguns..not black man. I feel that is quite prejudice on your part to assume that one black man speaks for all. Ty is Ty and speaks for no one other than ty.

Milwaukee: My god, how did you survive that terrible liberal state and succeed? We need to change everything since it clearly has failed you and the rest of all the successful people in the state.

Change it from edina...to let's say Whitefolks bay...Ty feels that you may have attended dominican. Ty doubts you went to U school...the shame you woulda brought on your family by attending UW woulda been too much.

But, Ty commends you on you move northward....less dark skinned people up there.

But, as always interesting how you feel the need to bring up someone's religion or race. You have a black neighbor. SUPER.

Still waiting to hear how one's religion is a necessary adjective, my friend.

Lake: Awesome. Were you both wearing your topsiders?

Who the hell ever brought up religion? I said you were Jewish. I thought that was ethnic.

I am not looking for an award for having a black neighbor, merely pointing out one more prejudice on your part.

No topsiders. Just water wings. Don't you know that blacks are not aquatic people?

Really...so, again..why do you feel the need to bring up someone's ethnicity. I don't see you doing that for anyone else..or is just for the minorities that you feel the need to ascribe their ethnicity.

BTW, your cultural awareness is lacking...or are you going to tell me that all jews are the same? Ethnicity is expressed in language, music, values, art, styles, literature, family life, religion, ritual, food, naming, public life, and material culture.

Please elaborate on the aforementioned and how i can identify jews..more specifically thru their posts on this forum? Most jews i know speak english, listen to the same music as everyone else, have what christians call judeo-christian values, appreciate the same art as everyone else, dress in a style that is consistent with the majority of this country, read the same lit, have the same family life, eat the same foods, have regular biblical names, have the same public life and same material culture.

Now, if you were going to specifically cite Ty as being a falasha jew that mite be something...but, for you to even think that there is the same ethnicity tween sephardim and ashkenazi is hilarious.

Black neighbor: How am i being prejudiced. Did i ever say that you didn't have black friends? Or no neighbors. Which relevant facts did i miss before making a judgement...or what judgement did i make?

Care to point out which judgment about you was based on your race,religion,etc., before i received relevant info?

Water wings: Of course i did...that is why my original post, before i changed it....was to not believe you as we blacks don't go out on lakes...we fish from the shore or pier.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Like I said, if it's not me, it'd be Partial or Tarlam or Mad or Tex or Woody or HowardRoark or whomever. What's the difference.

Scott,

Please show me where I started a long post about Roark?

But, if i have a problem..then it must come down to the same thing....conservatives don't like me.

I can live with that.

P.S. Of that list...i wouldn't exactly be happy about putting oneself in their camp...Tex, partial, Woody. LOL

[Freak Out]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

I’m glad you mentioned this. As I am new here, I find it very difficult dealing with this fellow Tyrone. Do other people find him to be difficult too?

Sometimes he sounds like someone who could have been raised in Shorewood, gone to college in Madison, bounced around the country and now lives in some uppity white neighborhood somewhere.

Sure, he doesn’t have original thoughts, and tends to cut and past his arguments from Wiki and The History Channel, but overall, a harmless Jewish middle aged man.

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.

Ironic I guess. A liberal who always has the answers on how everyone else is wrong daily insults black people through this character.

Shorewood? A little bit low rent for Ty's taste.

Original thoughts: Pot meet kettle. BTW, your friend rand says there is nothing original..so, why pick on me for that.

Jewish: Interesting that you find it compelling to note someone's religion. Is that customary from white people? I can't understand why that would be an adjective necessary.

Please ascribe all the other poster's religions. We await with baited breath.

Racist: Really, i don't think you understand the meaning of racism. Please point out one post where i suggested that a race is superior to another.

Stereotypes: Please point them out. Which stereotypes am i bringing out?

Ty has come to the conclusion that you aren't like roark from rand..you are more like roark from fantasy island.

Whereas Roark comes off as just another suburban white guy from the burbs of minneapolis..perhaps educated...or should i say subjected to a liberal education at his high school..edina or some other burb, or maybe he attended the toney blake or breck. Then, because he didn't cut it...he had to go to a liberal public institution...but, he hated every minute of it.

That terrible liberal institution forced him into getting a good education where he was able to succeed thru much hardship...reprogramming himself..and found a career that he does fairly well at..enough to afford private school for his kids. Damn that hippy UW and its faculty.

Then, because he was so worldly...he returned home..back to a nice white state..right back to his comfy burbs....with the occasional misty remembrance of gleucks, the KK, and fucking sorority girls. Sigh.

As soon as I typed the word racist, I realized I was breaking one of my pet peeves; misusing the words racist and prejudice. For that I apologize Ty. You are right. I was going to change it, but thought I could get it past you.

Little Ty certainly does play to our prejudices when thinking about black people. You can at least admit that.

Other than that, I grew up north of Milwaukee, so I never had the misfortune of dealing with Edina or Blake classmates.

Oh, by the way, I have a black neighbor. We were just out on the Lake the other day, so no, it’s not as white as you would like to imagine.

Of course you thought that..typical white guy/karl rove/lee atwater technique. Repeat the lie until it is believed or just spew enough lies that can't be addressed.

Prejudices: care to point them out. Or, will it just be more baseless accusations.

BTW, my avatar is Ty Bigguns..not black man. I feel that is quite prejudice on your part to assume that one black man speaks for all. Ty is Ty and speaks for no one other than ty.

Milwaukee: My god, how did you survive that terrible liberal state and succeed? We need to change everything since it clearly has failed you and the rest of all the successful people in the state.

Change it from edina...to let's say Whitefolks bay...Ty feels that you may have attended dominican. Ty doubts you went to U school...the shame you woulda brought on your family by attending UW woulda been too much.

But, Ty commends you on you move northward....less dark skinned people up there.

But, as always interesting how you feel the need to bring up someone's religion or race. You have a black neighbor. SUPER.

Still waiting to hear how one's religion is a necessary adjective, my friend.

Lake: Awesome. Were you both wearing your topsiders?

Who the hell ever brought up religion? I said you were Jewish. I thought that was ethnic.

I am not looking for an award for having a black neighbor, merely pointing out one more prejudice on your part.

No topsiders. Just water wings. Don't you know that blacks are not aquatic people?

Really...so, again..why do you feel the need to bring up someone's ethnicity. I don't see you doing that for anyone else..or is just for the minorities that you feel the need to ascribe their ethnicity.

BTW, your cultural awareness is lacking...or are you going to tell me that all jews are the same? Ethnicity is expressed in language, music, values, art, styles, literature, family life, religion, ritual, food, naming, public life, and material culture.

Please elaborate on the aforementioned and how i can identify jews..more specifically thru their posts on this forum? Most jews i know speak english, listen to the same music as everyone else, have what christians call judeo-christian values, appreciate the same art as everyone else, dress in a style that is consistent with the majority of this country, read the same lit, have the same family life, eat the same foods, have regular biblical names, have the same public life and same material culture.

Now, if you were going to specifically cite Ty as being a falasha jew that mite be something...but, for you to even think that there is the same ethnicity tween sephardim and ashkenazi is hilarious.

Black neighbor: How am i being prejudiced. Did i ever say that you didn't have black friends? Or no neighbors. Which relevant facts did i miss before making a judgement...or what judgement did i make?

Care to point out which judgment about you was based on your race,religion,etc., before i received relevant info?

Water wings: Of course i did...that is why my original post, before i changed it....was to not believe you as we blacks don't go out on lakes...we fish from the shore or pier.

You fucks better start paying attention to the Ziggstress...or else!

[Scott Campbell]

Really...so, again..why do you feel the need to bring up someone's ethnicity.


Maybe it's because he's Japanese. :bs:

[Scott Campbell]

P.S. Of that list...i wouldn't exactly be happy about putting oneself in their camp...Tex, partial, Woody. LOL



Ty, I'd side with those guys over you in a second.

[Scott Campbell]

But, if i have a problem.........



......if you have a problem???? :lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Really...so, again..why do you feel the need to bring up someone's ethnicity.


Maybe it's because he's Japanese. :bs:

Clever, but not even remotely the same.

My posting he was japanese is no different than the paper that did so...and was given as a probable explanation as to why the wife might have been frightened.

Roarks..hmm, is there something in my posts that is inherently jewish. LOL

[Tyrone Bigguns]

P.S. Of that list...i wouldn't exactly be happy about putting oneself in their camp...Tex, partial, Woody. LOL



Ty, I'd side with those guys over you in a second.

As if i want you on mine? LOL

[Scott Campbell]

Really...so, again..why do you feel the need to bring up someone's ethnicity.


Maybe it's because he's Japanese. :bs:

Clever, but not even remotely the same.


Yeah, it is.

[HowardRoark]

Really...so, again..why do you feel the need to bring up someone's ethnicity.


Maybe it's because he's Japanese. :bs:

Clever, but not even remotely the same.

My posting he was japanese is no different than the paper that did so...and was given as a probable explanation as to why the wife might have been frightened.

Roarks..hmm, is there something in my posts that is inherently jewish. LOL

You do seem a little whiny.

[Scott Campbell]

P.S. Of that list...i wouldn't exactly be happy about putting oneself in their camp...Tex, partial, Woody. LOL



Ty, I'd side with those guys over you in a second.

As if i want you on mine? LOL



Well, you do seem like kind of a loner.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, if i have a problem.........



......if you have a problem???? :lol:

Scott, no matter what you do....it doesn't bother me. Try as you may..you'll never get a woody meltdown.

Keep it up. I enjoy your witty repartee. Like i said, nothing on this board is gonna get me angry..or actually affect any mood.

[Scott Campbell]

But, if i have a problem.........



......if you have a problem???? :lol:

Scott, no matter what you do....it doesn't bother me. Try as you may..you'll never get a woody meltdown.

Keep it up. I enjoy your witty repartee. Like i said, nothing on this board is gonna get me angry..or actually affect any mood.


I've already got what I wanted. :wink:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Really...so, again..why do you feel the need to bring up someone's ethnicity.


Maybe it's because he's Japanese. :bs:

Clever, but not even remotely the same.


Yeah, it is.

Sigh. That is the best you have. :roll:

You are resorting to the "yes you are" defense?

I change my position...my mood can be affected..i'm sad for you.

[Scott Campbell]

You are resorting to the "yes you are" defense?



Scott plays D???


:lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Really...so, again..why do you feel the need to bring up someone's ethnicity.


Maybe it's because he's Japanese. :bs:

Clever, but not even remotely the same.

My posting he was japanese is no different than the paper that did so...and was given as a probable explanation as to why the wife might have been frightened.

Roarks..hmm, is there something in my posts that is inherently jewish. LOL

You do seem a little whiny.

Jews are whiny?

Then i guess most of the conservs on this board are jews..since the majority of their posts are complaining about liberals.

[Scott Campbell]

You do seem a little whiny.

Jews are whiny?




......told you he was a race baiter.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You are resorting to the "yes you are" defense?



Scott plays D???


:lol:

Of course you do...you remark in response to mine...therefore defense.

[Scott Campbell]

You are resorting to the "yes you are" defense?



Scott plays D???


:lol:

Of course you do...you remark in response to mine...therefore defense.



.......if you say so Tyrone....... :lol:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, if i have a problem.........



......if you have a problem???? :lol:

Scott, no matter what you do....it doesn't bother me. Try as you may..you'll never get a woody meltdown.

Keep it up. I enjoy your witty repartee. Like i said, nothing on this board is gonna get me angry..or actually affect any mood.


I've already got what I wanted. :wink:

But, not what you need. :oops:

[Scott Campbell]

But, not what you need. :oops:



.......if you say so Tyrone....... :wink:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You do seem a little whiny.

Jews are whiny?




......told you he was a race baiter.

Scott, jews aren't a race...or are they Mr. Hitler?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You are resorting to the "yes you are" defense?



Scott plays D???


:lol:

Of course you do...you remark in response to mine...therefore defense.



.......if you say so Tyrone....... :lol:

Back to the same "yes you are" defense.

Guess i'll invoke the "i'm rubber you are glue" retort. :roll:

[Scott Campbell]

You do seem a little whiny.

Jews are whiny?




......told you he was a race baiter.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You do seem a little whiny.

Jews are whiny?




......told you he was a race baiter.

New on the message boards scott...or is this so pithy you felt the need to post it again?

[Scott Campbell]

Guess i'll invoke the "i'm rubber you are glue" retort. :roll:


Well, I congratulate you on your improvement then.

[Scott Campbell]

Why'd she leave?

[Scott Campbell]

.....

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Guess i'll invoke the "i'm rubber you are glue" retort. :roll:


Well, I congratulate you on your improvement then.

Thanx..because i need your approval. :roll:

[Scott Campbell]

You do seem a little whiny.

Jews are whiny?




......told you he was a race baiter.

[Scott Campbell]

Thanx..because i need your approval. :roll:




It's obvious you need somebody's approval.

Mommy issues?



Nah....that ain't it. I know.........

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Thanx..because i need your approval. :roll:




It's obvious you need somebody's approval.

Mommy issues?

No..mommies. It takes a village to raise ty.

[Scott Campbell]

You do seem a little whiny.

Jews are whiny?




......told you he was a race baiter.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

You do seem a little whiny.

Jews are whiny?




......told you he was a race baiter.

Third post of this scott. Hasn't improved each post.

[Harlan Huckleby]

You guys are giving me carpal tunnel.

BTW, I got carpal tunnel. Holy shit! I had NO idea how painful and debilitating it can be! Shit. It came on over about 4 months, it was just a minor irritation. And then BAMMM! Your whole hand is crippled, extremely painful.

I'm about over it now. Been working the mouse with my left hand, wearing a splint on my CT hand.

Just a cautionary note: CT is a major episode to happen to ya. IF you feel yourself getting a minor sprained wrist feeling, better take care of it.

[Harlan Huckleby]

But, if i have a problem..then it must come down to the same thing....conservatives don't like me.

I can live with that.

P.S. Of that list...i wouldn't exactly be happy about putting oneself in their camp...Tex, partial, Woody. LOL


right on, Tyrone.

I've found that the conservative posse here turns every discussion into an attack on individual posters or "dang liberals." It really is lame.

Have you noticed that Tyrone and myself are pretty much the only liberals or moderates who particapte in issue discussions? All the decent folk have given up - JoeMailman, Oregon, BallHawk, etc. I guess Ty & myself are the only liberals crusty and ornery enough to keep playing.

[Scott Campbell]

All the decent folk have given up - JoeMailman, Oregon, BallHawk, etc. I guess Ty & myself are the only liberals crusty and ornery enough to keep playing.


Is that what happened? I just assumed they didn't want to be associated with you two anymore. Thanks for clarifying.


p.s. Glad your trigger finger feels better.

[Scott Campbell]

BTW, I got carpal tunnel. Holy shit! I had NO idea how painful and debilitating it can be! Shit. It came on over about 4 months, it was just a minor irritation. And then BAMMM! Your whole hand is crippled, extremely painful.

I'm about over it now.



I guess this means you can now get back to the important business of being Harlan.




I'm gonna fill a squirt gun with ejaculate, and don't think I'll be afraid to use it.

[bobblehead]

But, if i have a problem..then it must come down to the same thing....conservatives don't like me.

I can live with that.

P.S. Of that list...i wouldn't exactly be happy about putting oneself in their camp...Tex, partial, Woody. LOL


right on, Tyrone.

I've found that the conservative posse here turns every discussion into an attack on individual posters or "dang liberals." It really is lame.

Have you noticed that Tyrone and myself are pretty much the only liberals or moderates who particapte in issue discussions? All the decent folk have given up - JoeMailman, Oregon, BallHawk, etc. I guess Ty & myself are the only liberals crusty and ornery enough to keep playing.

Just for the record, I never turn it personal, but it sure seems to get there plenty when someone is getting whooped.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

But, if i have a problem..then it must come down to the same thing....conservatives don't like me.

I can live with that.

P.S. Of that list...i wouldn't exactly be happy about putting oneself in their camp...Tex, partial, Woody. LOL


right on, Tyrone.

I've found that the conservative posse here turns every discussion into an attack on individual posters or "dang liberals." It really is lame.

Have you noticed that Tyrone and myself are pretty much the only liberals or moderates who particapte in issue discussions? All the decent folk have given up - JoeMailman, Oregon, BallHawk, etc. I guess Ty & myself are the only liberals crusty and ornery enough to keep playing.

Just for the record, I never turn it personal, but it sure seems to get there plenty when someone is getting whooped.

More from the Rove/Atwater school. You made spurrious accusations of race without EVER presenting evidence.

Whooped: If that is your view so be it.

I'll just leave you with this little Talking Heads' nugget:

Facts are simple and facts are straight
Facts are lazy and facts are late
Facts all come with points of view
Facts don't do what I want them to
Facts just twist the truth around
Facts are living turned inside out
Facts are getting the best of them
Facts are nothing on the face of things
Facts don't stain the furniture
Facts go out and slam the door
Facts are written all over your face
Facts continue to change their shape

I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...
I'm still waiting...I'm still waiting...

[texaspackerbacker]

You guys are giving me carpal tunnel.

BTW, I got carpal tunnel. Holy shit! I had NO idea how painful and debilitating it can be! Shit. It came on over about 4 months, it was just a minor irritation. And then BAMMM! Your whole hand is crippled, extremely painful.

I'm about over it now. Been working the mouse with my left hand, wearing a splint on my CT hand.

Just a cautionary note: CT is a major episode to happen to ya. IF you feel yourself getting a minor sprained wrist feeling, better take care of it.

Put a crimp in your love life, did it?

[Harlan Huckleby]

ya, a bit of a dry spell

[texaspackerbacker]

ya, a bit of a dry spell

22 pages of "Shoot Um Up", and this is what it comes down to.

[Scott Campbell]

Harlan's shoot'n days are long gone. Rusty trigger.

[bobblehead]

Typical white guy response.......


Ya know, I'm starting to detect some racial undertones to your commentary.

Dude smells of middle aged white male from an upper middle class family.

I’m glad you mentioned this. As I am new here, I find it very difficult dealing with this fellow Tyrone. Do other people find him to be difficult too?

Sometimes he sounds like someone who could have been raised in Shorewood, gone to college in Madison, bounced around the country and now lives in some uppity white neighborhood somewhere.

Sure, he doesn’t have original thoughts, and tends to cut and past his arguments from Wiki and The History Channel, but overall, a harmless Jewish middle aged man.

Then, BANG!.....you gotta deal with this racist little character Tyrone. Quite insulting to blacks actually the way he brings out the worst stereotypes through little Ty.

Ironic I guess. A liberal who always has the answers on how everyone else is wrong daily insults black people through this character.

Shorewood? A little bit low rent for Ty's taste.

Original thoughts: Pot meet kettle. BTW, your friend rand says there is nothing original..so, why pick on me for that.

Jewish: Interesting that you find it compelling to note someone's religion. Is that customary from white people? I can't understand why that would be an adjective necessary.

Please ascribe all the other poster's religions. We await with baited breath.

Racist: Really, i don't think you understand the meaning of racism. Please point out one post where i suggested that a race is superior to another.

Stereotypes: Please point them out. Which stereotypes am i bringing out?

Ty has come to the conclusion that you aren't like roark from rand..you are more like roark from fantasy island.

Whereas Roark comes off as just another suburban white guy from the burbs of minneapolis..perhaps educated...or should i say subjected to a liberal education at his high school..edina or some other burb, or maybe he attended the toney blake or breck. Then, because he didn't cut it...he had to go to a liberal public institution...but, he hated every minute of it.

That terrible liberal institution forced him into getting a good education where he was able to succeed thru much hardship...reprogramming himself..and found a career that he does fairly well at..enough to afford private school for his kids. Damn that hippy UW and its faculty.

Then, because he was so worldly...he returned home..back to a nice white state..right back to his comfy burbs....with the occasional misty remembrance of gleucks, the KK, and fucking sorority girls. Sigh.

As soon as I typed the word racist, I realized I was breaking one of my pet peeves; misusing the words racist and prejudice. For that I apologize Ty. You are right. I was going to change it, but thought I could get it past you.

Little Ty certainly does play to our prejudices when thinking about black people. You can at least admit that.

Other than that, I grew up north of Milwaukee, so I never had the misfortune of dealing with Edina or Blake classmates.

Oh, by the way, I have a black neighbor. We were just out on the Lake the other day, so no, it’s not as white as you would like to imagine.

Of course you thought that..typical white guy/karl rove/lee atwater technique. Repeat the lie until it is believed or just spew enough lies that can't be addressed.

Prejudices: care to point them out. Or, will it just be more baseless accusations.

BTW, my avatar is Ty Bigguns..not black man. I feel that is quite prejudice on your part to assume that one black man speaks for all. Ty is Ty and speaks for no one other than ty.

Milwaukee: My god, how did you survive that terrible liberal state and succeed? We need to change everything since it clearly has failed you and the rest of all the successful people in the state.

Change it from edina...to let's say Whitefolks bay...Ty feels that you may have attended dominican. Ty doubts you went to U school...the shame you woulda brought on your family by attending UW woulda been too much.

But, Ty commends you on you move northward....less dark skinned people up there.

But, as always interesting how you feel the need to bring up someone's religion or race. You have a black neighbor. SUPER.

Still waiting to hear how one's religion is a necessary adjective, my friend.

Lake: Awesome. Were you both wearing your topsiders?

Who the hell ever brought up religion? I said you were Jewish. I thought that was ethnic.

I am not looking for an award for having a black neighbor, merely pointing out one more prejudice on your part.

No topsiders. Just water wings. Don't you know that blacks are not aquatic people?

Really...so, again..why do you feel the need to bring up someone's ethnicity. I don't see you doing that for anyone else..or is just for the minorities that you feel the need to ascribe their ethnicity.

BTW, your cultural awareness is lacking...or are you going to tell me that all jews are the same? Ethnicity is expressed in language, music, values, art, styles, literature, family life, religion, ritual, food, naming, public life, and material culture.

Please elaborate on the aforementioned and how i can identify jews..more specifically thru their posts on this forum? Most jews i know speak english, listen to the same music as everyone else, have what christians call judeo-christian values, appreciate the same art as everyone else, dress in a style that is consistent with the majority of this country, read the same lit, have the same family life, eat the same foods, have regular biblical names, have the same public life and same material culture.

Now, if you were going to specifically cite Ty as being a falasha jew that mite be something...but, for you to even think that there is the same ethnicity tween sephardim and ashkenazi is hilarious.

Black neighbor: How am i being prejudiced. Did i ever say that you didn't have black friends? Or no neighbors. Which relevant facts did i miss before making a judgement...or what judgement did i make?

Care to point out which judgment about you was based on your race,religion,etc., before i received relevant info?

Water wings: Of course i did...that is why my original post, before i changed it....was to not believe you as we blacks don't go out on lakes...we fish from the shore or pier.

You fucks better start paying attention to the Ziggstress...or else!

or else what?