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vince
07-14-2008, 06:41 PM
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/green-bay-speaks-entire-city/story.aspx?guid=%7BF1E4EF49-0844-4305-AF92-5C320CE553BA%7D&dist=hppr


Green Bay Speaks; Entire City Surveyed; Wants Favre Back, But Should He Start?

CHICAGO, July 13, 2008 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- An overwhelming majority of Green Bay residents want Brett Favre to stay with the Packers this upcoming season but not necessarily as the starting quarterback, according to an extensive survey commissioned by a Chicago communications company.

Seventy-four percent of those responding Sunday to a telephone survey of Green Bay residents said the Packers should retain their contractual rights to Favre, and not trade him. Thirty-three percent said he should be the starting quarterback.

The poll was commissioned by Serafin & Associates, Inc., a Chicago-based communications firm founded and headed by Thom M. Serafin.. It was conducted by "We Ask America," a division of XPS, a national firm that specializes in large participation polls and surveys.

Other than the 33 percent who want Favre to start, 19 percent said they want him to return to the club as back-up quarterback and 15 percent prefer him in a role as player/coach. Only 17 percent of those responding to the poll said Packer management should trade Favre.

Favre stunned the Packers and the football world last week when it was revealed he wanted to return to football, even though he bid adieu in a tearful farewell after last season. His decision threw Packers management into crisis mode, and management still faces a potential public relations fiasco.

The Packers have said that Aaron Rodgers is their starting quarterback next season; but have refused to grant Favre's request that he be released contractually. If Favre was released by the club, he would be able to strike a new deal with any other team, even the Minnesota Vikings or Chicago Bears, bitter Central Division rivals of the Packers.

Of those responding to the survey, 55 percent said they will feel betrayed if Brett Favre won the Super Bowl with a team other than the Packers.

Eighteen percent said it would make no difference to them
Favre has played 16 years as a starter for the Packers and led the team to the NFC Championship game last season. He is a sure Hall-of-Famer.

After several ambiguous statements, Packer General Manager Ted Thompson said on Saturday that the Packers will allow Favre back, but in a role yet to be determined.

"I agree with Ted Thompson that this is a gut wrenching situation for the organization and the fans," said Serafin. "The poll results clearly indicate that. Nearly 75 percent want Brett to remain with the Packers; but they are split on whether or not he should start.

"These results are much more meaningful than a poll, which takes a sample of opinion. Every telephone number listed in the Green Bay white pages was called, and more than 21,000 people picked up the phone. "

"We Ask America" conducted the survey by telephoning everyone listed in the white pages of the Green Bay phone book between 4 p.m. and 7 p.m. on Sunday. Of the 49,721 calls that were made, 21,377 answered the phone and 9,995 took the survey, 46 percent of those who answered.

According to Greg Durham, of We Ask America, that is an exceptionally high response in a telephone survey, and the margin of error is virtually nil.
"Everytime you see this type of heavy response to a survey, it is a clear indication that the beliefs being expressed are deeply held," said Durham. "It also is an indication that the Green Bay Packers and Brett Favre are considered to be a big part of the fabric of that community."
Among the specialties of Serafin & Associations is crisis communications, but Serafin had a more personal reason for commissioning the poll. He is a Packers shareholder and a Favre fan.

Full results of the survey are available at the web site www.serafin.com .
SOURCE Serafin & Associates, Inc.


Full Results
http://www.serafin.com/favre/Brett%20Favre%20Poll%20RESULTS.htm
Brett Favre Poll

Date of Poll: Sunday, July 13, 2008
Number of Participants: 9995
Margin of Error: ± 0.95%


TOPLINE RESULTS

What do you want Brett Favre's role to be with the Green Bay Packers this season?

Starting quarterback..............32.95%
Backup quarterback...............18.55%
Player/coach.........................14.50%
Remain retired.....................34.00%

Should the Packers trade Favre?

Yes.................17.19%
No..................73.53%
Release him....9.28%

Would you feel betrayed if Brett Favre won the Super Bowl with another team?

Yes.............................54.32%
No..............................27.73%
Makes no difference.....17.95%

Are you a Green Bay Packer shareholder

Yes................17.74%
No.................82.26%

What is your gender?

Female........53.04%
Male...........46.96%

Cross Tabs

BY SHAREHOLDER…

Cross-Tabulation between SHAREHOLDER and ROLE FOR FAVRE

................................ROLE FOR FAVRE
SHAREHOLDER..Starting quarterback..Backup quarterback..Player/coach..Remain retired..Total

Yes...............38.15%..............17.40%...... .......11.40%.......33.05%.......100.00%
No.................32.38%.............18.82%...... .......15.06%.......33.74%.......100.00%

Cross-Tabulation between SHAREHOLDER and TRADE

...............................................TRA DE

SHAREHOLDER..Yes.....No......Release him.....Total

Yes.............18.43%......74.94%.....6.63%.....1 00.00%
No..............16.77%......73.39%......9.84%..... 100.00%

Cross-Tabulation between SHAREHOLDER and BETRAYED

............................................BETRAY ED

SHAREHOLDER...Yes.....No....Makes no difference..Total

Yes................59.25%...26.48%....14.27%...... ...100.00%
No.................53.52%....27.99%...18.49%...... ...100.00%

Cross-Tabulation between SHAREHOLDER and GENDER

.............................................GENDE R

SHAREHOLDER........Female......Male......Total

Yes....................41.99%.........58.01%...100 .00%
No....................55.41%..........44.59%...100 .00%

BY GENDER…

Cross-Tabulation between GENDER and ROLE

.................................ROLE

GENDER..Starting quarterback..Backup quarterback..Player/coach..Remain retired..Total

Female........32.43%..................19.55%...... ..........17.48%.........30.54%.....100.00%
Male...........34.59%..................17.40%..... ...........10.97%..........37.04%....100.00%

Cross-Tabulation between GENDER and TRADE

..........................................TRADE

GENDER.......Yes.........No......Release him......Total

Female.......11.48%....78.19%...10.33%......100.00 %
Male..........23.28%.....68.64%....8.08%......100. 00%

Cross-Tabulation between GENDER and BETRAYED

..................................BETRAYED

GENDER........Yes......No....Makes no difference....Total

Female......61.67%..22.83%....15.50%.........100.0 0%
Male.........46.50%..33.25%.....20.25%........100. 00%

Cross-Tabulation between GENDER and SHAREHOLDER

......................................SHAREHOLDER

GENDER......Yes.........No.......Total

Female....13.99%....86.01%...100.00%
Male.......21.83%....78.17%...100.00%

BY ROLE…

Cross-Tabulation between ROLE and TRADE

....................................TRADE

ROLE................................Yes.......No.. ......Release him......Total

Starting quarterback..........4.88%....92.70%...2.42%...... ....100.00%
Backup quarterback..........17.56%...78.36%...4.08%...... ....100.00%
Player/coach....................11.33%...79.68%...8.99%.. ........100.00%
Remain retired.................32.05%...48.59%..19.35%... ......100.00%

Cross-Tabulation between ROLE and BETRAYED

.........................................BETRAYED
ROLE...............................Yes.......No... ....Makes no difference.....Total

Starting quarterback....70.61%....22.60%.......6.80%....... ............100.00%
Backup quarterback.....54.83%...33.47%........11.70%..... ..........100.00%
Player/coach..............56.81%....24.38%........18.81%. ...............100.00%
Remain retired...........36.74%....31.10%........32.17%.. ..............100.00%

BY TRADE…

Cross-Tabulation between TRADE and ROLE

...............................................ROL E
TRADE.............Starting quarterback...Backup quarterback..Player/coach..Remain retired..Total

Yes..........9.53%....................19.31%...... .............9.53%...........61.62%...........100. 00%
No...........42.34%....................20.14%..... .............15.67%.........21.84%..........100.00 %
Release him.....8.77%...........8.31%....................1 4.01%............68.91%.........100.00%

Cross-Tabulation between TRADE and BETRAYED

..........................................BETRAYED
TRADE..........Yes.........No.........Makes no difference.....Total
Yes............23.45%....50.50%.....26.06%........ ........100.00%
No..............66.50%...20.66%......12.84%....... ........100.00%
Release him..17.15%..42.46%...40.39%...............100.00%

BY BETRAYED…

Cross-Tabulation between BETRAYED and ROLE

.................................................. ......ROLE
BETRAYED..Starting quarterback...Backup quarterback...Player/coach...Remain retired...Total

Yes....................43.41%.............18.85%.. ..............15.08%.......22.66%.........100.00%
No.....................27.22%..............22.54%. ................12.68%.......37.57%.......100.00%
Makes no difference..12.65%........12.18%................15 .12%......60.06%...............100.00%

Cross-Tabulation between BETRAYED and TRADE

.................................................. .........TRADE

BETRAYED.......Yes............No............Releas e him.............Total

Yes.............7.38%.........89.70%.........2.92% .....................100.00%
No.............31.17%.........54.66%........14.17% ...................100.00%
Makes no difference..25.32%..53.47%..21.21%................ .....100.00%

Harlan Huckleby
07-14-2008, 06:47 PM
After several ambiguous statements, Packer General Manager Ted Thompson said on Saturday that the Packers will allow Favre back, but in a role yet to be determined.

TT didn't say that he will allow FAvre back to play, he said FAvre will return to the active roster after the reinstatement clears, which happens to be a necessary step for trading him. So no conclusion can be drawn from TT's remark. Very shoddy reporting here.


Since most of the respondants in this poll were cool to the idea of Favre being guaranteed a starting job, I wonder what the results would be now that Favre has refused to accept a backup role.

vince
07-14-2008, 06:54 PM
Yeah, the article has a couple biased comments.

"but they are split on whether or not he should start."

The overwhelming majority believes he should not be the starting quarterback (68%). They're hardly split on the issue.

OKC PackerFan
07-14-2008, 07:05 PM
Yeah, the article has a couple biased comments.

"but they are split on whether or not he should start."

The overwhelming majority believes he should not be the starting quarterback (68%). They're hardly split on the issue.

I see 18.55%, how did you come up with 68%?

TOPLINE RESULTS

What do you want Brett Favre's role to be with the Green Bay Packers this season?

Starting quarterback..............32.95%
Backup quarterback...............18.55%
Player/coach.........................14.50%
Remain retired.....................34.00%

Edit:

My bad, you added the other 3 roles together.
The question is flawed IMO, should have read like this.

If reinstated, what do you want Brett Favre's role to be with the Green Bay Packers this season?

Starting quarterback..............
Backup quarterback...............
Player/coach.........................

pbmax
07-14-2008, 07:07 PM
Press Gazette:

"Favre's welcome back, but the scenery has changed. There may be a different role," Thompson said.

Wilde:

"If he goes back on our roster, whatever role he might perform for us is yet to be determined," Thompson said, before adding, "Aaron Rodgers is our starting quarterback."

The reporting is consistent with several of his quotes. The only person who mentions "playing" is your comment. The article use the same language as his quotes.



After several ambiguous statements, Packer General Manager Ted Thompson said on Saturday that the Packers will allow Favre back, but in a role yet to be determined.

TT didn't say that he will allow FAvre back to play, he said FAvre will return to the active roster after the reinstatement clears, which happens to be a necessary step for trading him. So no conclusion can be drawn from TT's remark. Very shoddy reporting here.


Since most of the respondants in this poll were cool to the idea of Favre being guaranteed a starting job, I wonder what the results would be now that Favre has refused to accept a backup role.

MJZiggy
07-14-2008, 07:09 PM
After several ambiguous statements, Packer General Manager Ted Thompson said on Saturday that the Packers will allow Favre back, but in a role yet to be determined.

TT didn't say that he will allow FAvre back to play, he said FAvre will return to the active roster after the reinstatement clears, which happens to be a necessary step for trading him. So no conclusion can be drawn from TT's remark. Very shoddy reporting here.


Since most of the respondants in this poll were cool to the idea of Favre being guaranteed a starting job, I wonder what the results would be now that Favre has refused to accept a backup role.

They can still trade his rights even if he's retired. The other team might be foolish to take that deal if they didn't think he'd be back, but they can make that deal.

OKC, you have to add all of the options that are not Favre starting together. 32.9% want him to start. The rest don't.

Harlan Huckleby
07-14-2008, 07:11 PM
"Favre's welcome back, but the scenery has changed. There may be a different role," Thompson said.

OK, fair enough.

But read between the lines. Everybody knows Favre would never accept a backup role. And he reportedly said that directly today.

TT is setting the stage for a trade.

If TT & MM wanted Favre back, there would be no such ambiguity, they'd just express relief that he wants to play again.

Chevelle2
07-14-2008, 07:12 PM
What if the backup role is there way of trying to make an open competition seem fair? When in reality they want Favre all along?

Just thinking out loud here

MJZiggy
07-14-2008, 07:13 PM
It doesn't matter unless Favre is willing to accept the backup role long enough to compete for the starting spot.

oregonpackfan
07-14-2008, 07:14 PM
Was GBR contacted in that poll? Rumor has it she can still be contacted by cell phone as she maintains her daily 24 hour vigil by Brett Favre's driveway. :)

RashanGary
07-14-2008, 07:15 PM
I think you hit it right on the head, HH. You've been very accurate on this whole thing from the very beginning.


Bravo!!

Harlan Huckleby
07-14-2008, 07:16 PM
There isn't gonna be any competition.

There isn't going to be any backup role for Favre.

Favre is going to be the starter in GB or he is going to be traded.

I think TT is leaning towards the latter, but we'll see.

MJZiggy
07-14-2008, 07:20 PM
Well apparently he needs to be reinstated first. I wonder if he'll threaten to stay retired if he doesn't get what he wants.

packers11
07-14-2008, 07:21 PM
Well apparently he needs to be reinstated first. I wonder if he'll threaten to stay retired if he doesn't get what he wants.

haha I doubt that... T.T. would never pick up his phone and be a total dick :lol:

RashanGary
07-14-2008, 07:23 PM
Favre is going to be the starter in GB or he is going to be traded.

I think TT is leaning towards the latter, but we'll see.

Esspecially if reports are true that TT asked Favre for a list of teams he would go to.

Favre is pissed off and IMO very childish, but I definitly think there have been signals sent that Favre is not used to. I don't think the Packers wanted to get rid of Favre, but I think they're comfortable enough with who they have to not take his shit any more. I don't think Favre is mature enough to handle being one of the guys. He sees himself as larger than the team and larger than his teammates.

As a side note, I always thought TT sending FAvre the locker that he never used was a bit of an insult. It was a reminder that Favre wasn't really a part of the lockerroom for years.