New Leni Riefenstahl Film Discovered

[HowardRoark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXez7J1Rmcw

[Tyrone Bigguns]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXez7J1Rmcw

I don't know which is sadder..you comparing his speech to Hitler's..or, a single camera compared to a film maker like Riefenstahl.

I am embarrassed for you.

[Freak Out]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXez7J1Rmcw

I don't know which is sadder..you comparing his speech to Hitler's..or, a single camera compared to a film maker like Riefenstahl.

I am embarrassed for you.

I was wondering when one of the Circle would post this. :lol:

[sheepshead]

What an embarrassing joke this guy has become as a presidential candidate. The polls are reflecting it and will continue to do so.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

What an embarrassing joke this guy has become as a presidential candidate. The polls are reflecting it and will continue to do so.

What is embarrassing is your foolishness. Even the right can't complain about Obama's trip to the middle east, etc.

Embarrassing:

1. Maliki endorsing Obama's plan
2. Rice negotiating with Iran...oops, doing exactly what Obama said..DIPLOMACY

[HowardRoark]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXez7J1Rmcw

I don't know which is sadder..you comparing his speech to Hitler's..or, a single camera compared to a film maker like Riefenstahl.

I am embarrassed for you.

Who said anything about Hitler? I merely point out that there is a major propaganda campaign going on, and you make a leap to Hitler? What is wrong with you?

And anyway, he doesn’t sound anything like Hitler….more like Lennon. John that is.

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions (this will be more than just imagination soon)
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hitler..c'mon...stop bsing. Who did Leni film?

This is the typical..we didn't say..nword, black..code words like welfare moms.

Propaganda....and obama is different than Mccain in that respect.

[HowardRoark]

Propaganda....and obama is different than Mccain in that respect.

Yes.

[mraynrand]

Propaganda....and obama is different than Mccain in that respect.

Yes.

Agreed.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/Obama%202008%20Political%20Play%20o.JPG

[HowardRoark]

With props to Charles Krauthammer:

Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted "present" nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls3TD1-3i1Y

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Propaganda....and obama is different than Mccain in that respect.

Yes.

Agreed.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/Obama%202008%20Political%20Play%20o.JPG

Shocking. :roll:

[mraynrand]

Propaganda....and obama is different than Mccain in that respect.

Yes.

Agreed.

http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/Obama%202008%20Political%20Play%20o.JPG

Shocking. :roll:

I think I like that pic almost as much as Shermy napping at the combine.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hmm...like this piece of propaganda?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/2457845397_c863ae61cb_o.jpg

[Tyrone Bigguns]

With props to Charles Krauthammer:

Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted "present" nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls3TD1-3i1Y

Do you really wanna go down that route? What did Bush do prior to becoming president?

1. Mediocre student
2. Failed businessman
3. Addict
4. Nothing significant as gov.

[mraynrand]

Hmm...like this piece of propaganda?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/2457845397_c863ae61cb_o.jpg

bush is the ONLY politician who would EVER orchestrate a photo-op!

http://obamarama.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/john-kerry-hunting-4.jpg

[HowardRoark]

With props to Charles Krauthammer:

Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted "present" nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls3TD1-3i1Y

Do you really wanna go down that route? What did Bush do prior to becoming president?


1. Mediocre student
2. Failed businessman
3. Addict
4. Nothing significant as gov.

Who's talking about Bush? Typical ploy of a propagandist.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

With props to Charles Krauthammer:

Obama is a three-year senator without a single important legislative achievement to his name, a former Illinois state senator who voted "present" nearly 130 times. As president of the Harvard Law Review, as law professor and as legislator, has he ever produced a single notable piece of scholarship? Written a single memorable article? His most memorable work is a biography of his favorite subject: himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls3TD1-3i1Y

Do you really wanna go down that route? What did Bush do prior to becoming president?


1. Mediocre student
2. Failed businessman
3. Addict
4. Nothing significant as gov.

Who's talking about Bush? Typical ploy of a propagandist.

Um, who strayed from propaganda to experience? You did.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hmm...like this piece of propaganda?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/2457845397_c863ae61cb_o.jpg

bush is the ONLY politician who would EVER orchestrate a photo-op!

http://obamarama.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/john-kerry-hunting-4.jpg

For you to compare a hunting photo with Bush's is high comedy.

Pols on the campaign trail do all sorts of that stuff...prez don't.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Embarrassing:

1. Maliki endorsing Obama's plan

If you look at what Maliki & Obama are calling for in detail, it almost indistinguishable from what McCain proposes. The main difference is in their rhetoric and attitudes.

Maliki is riding a wave of Iraqi nationalism, the Iraqi people want to hear that the U.S. can leave very quickly.

Obama is stubbornly sticking to his stance that the U.S. was wrong to invade Iraq, and therefore anything we do there is evil. He refuses to acknowledge that recent efforts (which he opposed) have had dramatic humanitarian payoffs. No wonder he is so wildly popular among Europeans and blame-America-first leftists.

[Freak Out]

Embarrassing:

1. Maliki endorsing Obama's plan

If you look at what Maliki & Obama are calling for in detail, it almost indistinguishable from what McCain proposes. The main difference is in their rhetoric and attitudes.

Maliki is riding a wave of Iraqi nationalism, the Iraqi people want to hear that the U.S. can leave very quickly.

Obama is stubbornly sticking to his stance that the U.S. was wrong to invade Iraq, and therefore anything we do there is evil. He refuses to acknowledge that recent efforts (which he opposed) have had dramatic humanitarian payoffs. No wonder he is so wildly popular among Europeans and blame-America-first leftists.

Dramatic humanitarian efforts? I agree we have worked hard to turn this debacle around but I think the ethnic cleansing of all the major hoods in Baghdad, mixed or otherwise had more to turning the tide than more troops did. The shit had gone down and borders were set. Violence in Iraq is still high but the stories just don't have the "draw" that they used to.

I'm just tired of all the same BS campaigning that has started again....all soft fluff and no hard decisions. Hopefully that will change when and if we get to see an actual debate.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Dramatic humanitarian efforts? I agree we have worked hard to turn this debacle around but I think the ethnic cleansing of all the major hoods in Baghdad, mixed or otherwise had more to turning the tide than more troops did.


You're right that the violence burning itself out is key, a point that doesn't get mentioned enough. Probably that was just as important as anything the U.S. did.

But I think "dramatic humanitarian efforts" is not out of line. The change in focus towards protecting the civilian population has been essential.

And if the country had followed Obama's judgement and withdrawn in 2006-2007, I'm pretty sure we would have seen a horrible bloodbath.

[mraynrand]

Hmm...like this piece of propaganda?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/2457845397_c863ae61cb_o.jpg

bush is the ONLY politician who would EVER orchestrate a photo-op!

http://obamarama.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/john-kerry-hunting-4.jpg

For you to compare a hunting photo with Bush's is high comedy.

Pols on the campaign trail do all sorts of that stuff...prez don't.

http://bastardlogic.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/bill_clinton.jpg
http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/charlie%20gibson%20bill%20clinton.jpg
http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_ms99-3.2.pres.1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/ClintonMandela.jpg

[HowardRoark]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Clinton_family.jpg

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/Clintons%20at%20the%20White%20House.jpg

[sheepshead]

What an embarrassing joke this guy has become as a presidential candidate. The polls are reflecting it and will continue to do so.

What is embarrassing is your foolishness. Even the right can't complain about Obama's trip to the middle east, etc.

Embarrassing:

1. Maliki endorsing Obama's plan
2. Rice negotiating with Iran...oops, doing exactly what Obama said..DIPLOMACY

he gave speeches!! Think about it. He should be there to learn something , instead his handlers prop him up and hand him another speech--WHO CARES!

[sheepshead]

The brits get it!!!


He ventured forth to bring light to the world
The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers
Gerard Baker

And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.

The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.

When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”

In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.


And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring the light unto all the world.

He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the

Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.

And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the

Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.

From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.

And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.

And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.

From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an ass. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.

In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.

As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.

And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.

The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.

And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.

Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.

And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.

Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.

But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him.

And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.

Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.

On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.

And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.”

[mraynrand]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Clinton_family.jpg

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/Clintons%20at%20the%20White%20House.jpg

The dog on the right is the most attractive.

[MateoInMex]

Hmm...like this piece of propaganda?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/2457845397_c863ae61cb_o.jpg

bush is the ONLY politician who would EVER orchestrate a photo-op!

http://obamarama.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/john-kerry-hunting-4.jpg

For you to compare a hunting photo with Bush's is high comedy.

Pols on the campaign trail do all sorts of that stuff...prez don't.


I don't know what's more humiliating, an out of touch world leader trampin' around in a flight suit for the entire world to see, or George W. showing off his Presidential Nugget Pouch.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hmm...like this piece of propaganda?

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2301/2457845397_c863ae61cb_o.jpg

bush is the ONLY politician who would EVER orchestrate a photo-op!

http://obamarama.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/john-kerry-hunting-4.jpg

For you to compare a hunting photo with Bush's is high comedy.

Pols on the campaign trail do all sorts of that stuff...prez don't.

http://bastardlogic.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/bill_clinton.jpg
http://www.extrememortman.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/06/charlie%20gibson%20bill%20clinton.jpg
http://www.wichitaphotos.org/graphics/wsu_ms99-3.2.pres.1.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/ClintonMandela.jpg


ANd, yet none of those show him in "get ups." No hard hats, no cool rock clothes, etc.

Do i have to spell it out for you?

You lose..again.

[MJZiggy]

To be fair, his tie is a little crooked in the sax shot...

[Joemailman]

Let's not leave out America's Mayor!

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/L/e/1/giuliani_in_drag2.jpg

[mraynrand]

g/wikipedia/commons/9/97/ClintonMandela.jpg[/img]


ANd, yet none of those show him in "get ups." No hard hats, no cool rock clothes, etc.

Do i have to spell it out for you?

You lose..again.[/quote]

I think you have. You 'set the rules' (but don't spell them out initially) and change them as needed - then complain when people don't follow your rules. How very lefty of you. Flight suit bad, Sax OK. Got it - until your next post.

[mraynrand]

I don't know what's more humiliating, an out of touch world leader trampin' around in a flight suit for the entire world to see, or George W. showing off his Presidential Nugget Pouch.

LOL.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

g/wikipedia/commons/9/97/ClintonMandela.jpg[/img]


ANd, yet none of those show him in "get ups." No hard hats, no cool rock clothes, etc.

Do i have to spell it out for you?

You lose..again.

I think you have. You 'set the rules' (but don't spell them out initially) and change them as needed - then complain when people don't follow your rules. How very lefty of you. Flight suit bad, Sax OK. Got it - until your next post.[/quote]

Only someone willfully obtuse couldn't figure out "campaigning" shots vs. prez shots.

Only someone grasping at straws could see a sax shot..oh, btw, which he can play...vs. our prez in macho flight gear...when he didn't fly the plane..and didn't need to be in.

[mraynrand]

g/wikipedia/commons/9/97/ClintonMandela.jpg[/img]


ANd, yet none of those show him in "get ups." No hard hats, no cool rock clothes, etc.

Do i have to spell it out for you?

You lose..again.

I think you have. You 'set the rules' (but don't spell them out initially) and change them as needed - then complain when people don't follow your rules. How very lefty of you. Flight suit bad, Sax OK. Got it - until your next post.

Only someone willfully obtuse couldn't figure out "campaigning" shots vs. prez shots.

Only someone grasping at straws could see a sax shot..oh, btw, which he can play...vs. our prez in macho flight gear...when he didn't fly the plane..and didn't need to be in.[/quote]

The shots of the Clinton were all following his inauguration (including the Sax pic). Still, the point was propaganda, not 'campaigning' propaganda versus 'presidential' propaganda. Propaganda respects no such boundaries, especially for the Clintons, who touted the endless campaign. Again, you show that the issue for you is that YOU want to set the arbitrary rules on what is and what is not acceptable as 'propaganda.' All the examples are propaganda, designed to project a favorable, idealized image. Funny thing is that Bush can pilot a plane, ironically probably as well, relative to 'experts,' as Clinton can play the Sax.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

g/wikipedia/commons/9/97/ClintonMandela.jpg[/img]


ANd, yet none of those show him in "get ups." No hard hats, no cool rock clothes, etc.

Do i have to spell it out for you?

You lose..again.

I think you have. You 'set the rules' (but don't spell them out initially) and change them as needed - then complain when people don't follow your rules. How very lefty of you. Flight suit bad, Sax OK. Got it - until your next post.

Only someone willfully obtuse couldn't figure out "campaigning" shots vs. prez shots.

Only someone grasping at straws could see a sax shot..oh, btw, which he can play...vs. our prez in macho flight gear...when he didn't fly the plane..and didn't need to be in.

The shots of the Clinton were all following his inauguration (including the Sax pic). Still, the point was propaganda, not 'campaigning' propaganda versus 'presidential' propaganda. Propaganda respects no such boundaries, especially for the Clintons, who touted the endless campaign. Again, you show that the issue for you is that YOU want to set the arbitrary rules on what is and what is not acceptable as 'propaganda.' All the examples are propaganda, designed to project a favorable, idealized image. Funny thing is that Bush can pilot a plane, ironically probably as well, relative to 'experts,' as Clinton can play the Sax.[/quote]

Playing the sax..what kind of propaganda is that? LOL

Piloting: LOL. Do you really wanna go there. Barely showed up to do his required guard duty.

Tell you what...put bush in that plane and let him fly...and we'll put clinton out playing the sax. I think we know who will win.

The country..as bush will die.

[mraynrand]

Playing the sax..what kind of propaganda is that? LOL

I explained that. Again, to help you out:

"All the examples are propaganda, designed to project a favorable, idealized image."

Also, you took SATs/GREs, right? Bush as a pilot is to a Navy pilot as Bill Clinton as a Sax player is to ........... (in other words, Bush wasn't much of a Pilot and Clinton isn't much of a Sax player). See, I spelled it all out for you. Keep working on it, you just might figure it out.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Playing the sax..what kind of propaganda is that? LOL

I explained that. Again, to help you out:

"All the examples are propaganda, designed to project a favorable, idealized image."

Also, you took SATs/GREs, right? Bush as a pilot is to a Navy pilot as Bill Clinton as a Sax player is to ........... (in other words, Bush wasn't much of a Pilot and Clinton isn't much of a Sax player). See, I spelled it all out for you. Keep working on it, you just might figure it out.


Clinton can play the sax...bush can't fly a jet. Get serious.

Find one liberal blog cooing like the far right was about how macho, etc. bush looked.

You just can't stop looking foolish.