Favre: I'm not reporting to camp yet

[AtlPackFan]

My apologies if someone already posted.

http://blogs.jsonline.com/packers/archive/2008/07/27/favre-i-m-not-reporting-to-camp-yet.aspx

By Greg A. Bedard
Sunday, Jul 27 2008, 06:33 AM

[vince]

Another public manipulation ploy while he rejects the trade partners that are willing to play ball. It's also very difficult to believe that last part isn't another flat-out lie. Brett and Childress talking about going fishing were they?

[cpk1994]

Another public manipulation ploy while he rejects the trade partners that are willing to play ball. It's also very difficult to believe that last part isn't another flat-out lie. Brett and Childress talking about going fishing were they?Brett just put the final nail in the Vikings tamperinng coffin. Does Brett even realize how dumb he truly is?

[falco]

Another public manipulation ploy while he rejects the trade partners that are willing to play ball. It's also very difficult to believe that last part isn't another flat-out lie. Brett and Childress talking about going fishing were they?Brett just put the final nail in the Vikings tamperinng coffin. Does Brett even realize how dumb he truly is?

I agree - even if they weren't trying to entice him, than obviously they were discussing him coming. It doesn't matter if Favre initiated the conversation.

[mmmdk]

[quote=vince]Does Brett even realize how dumb he truly is?

No, he doesn't realize!

[Joemailman]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

[MJZiggy]

I suppose perhaps it depends on who called whom, and how long they talked. Then again with Favre, a call to 411 can take a half hour..."yes, ma'am, I realize you already gave me the number, but I'm just not sure if I want to play again."

[falco]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

joe - i think if they had any discussion with favre in regards to playing with the vikings it is tampering, regardless of who started it or how long it went

[Rastak]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

joe - i think if they had any discussion with favre in regards to playing with the vikings it is tampering, regardless of who started it or how long it went


That can't be right. Any player could call any team at any time, say a couple words and get his team a draft pick if that were the case.

If Favre called and the Vikings continued to say, "we can't discuss that" they are innocent. Are they innocent? Seems kinda unlikely to me...

[falco]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

joe - i think if they had any discussion with favre in regards to playing with the vikings it is tampering, regardless of who started it or how long it went


That can't be right. Any player could call any team at any time, say a couple words and get his team a draft pick if that were the case.

If Favre called and the Vikings continued to say, "we can't discuss that" they are innocent. Are they innocent? Seems kinda unlikely to me...

rastak, I think you're right - my only point was that the vikings would not have to try to entice him, merely having the discussion instead of saying "we can't talk about that" would be tampering

[boiga]

Actually, we still don't know who called who in this ordeal. If the call history shows an unusual increase in Brett's conversations with Bevell, and later talks with Childress, it will be hard for the Vikes to prove their innocence.

At this point, if Brett can't accept Tampa Bay or the Jets, I'm all for paying him to sit mississippi for a year. Release him to the Vikes next year when he turns 40 and has gained 30 pounds of lard.

This has gone on long enough.

[gbgary]

Actually, we still don't know who called who in this ordeal.

we may not, but they (the Packers) do!

[RashanGary]

Actually, we still don't know who called who in this ordeal. If the call history shows an unusual increase in Brett's conversations with Bevell, and later talks with Childress, it will be hard for the Vikes to prove their innocence.

At this point, if Brett can't accept Tampa Bay or the Jets, I'm all for paying him to sit mississippi for a year. Release him to the Vikes next year when he turns 40 and has gained 30 pounds of lard.

This has gone on long enough.

I would consider this too.

[RashanGary]

Well, it's nice to see he's not showing up. I think Goodell had a part in that. He wants to help and I think he wants to keep the back stabbing at a minimum.


The Packers are willing to work on a trade outside the division and Goodell seems to be pushing for that because Favre would play and the Packers would be able to protect their interests at the same time. It's a win/win. The more stubborn Brett stays, I coudl see Goodell growing tired of his act and defending the Packers, who are acctually cooperating in this whole ordeal.

[red]

we mine as well throw some facts in if we're just going to start throwing shit around

Said Favre: “I had planned on reporting for the start of Packers training camp Sunday, but Ted Thompson asked if I would give him a couple of days to try to get the situation resolved. I agreed to do that. I don’t want to be a distraction to the Packers, and I hope in the next few days we can come to an agreement that would allow me to continue playing football.

[cpk1994]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.It's the standard set by the 49ers/Briggs tampering charge. They popped the Niners without real proof, and the Childress-Favre connection is in line with what got the Niners.

[Rastak]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.It's the standard set by the 49ers/Briggs tampering charge. They popped the Niners without real proof, and the Childress-Favre connection is in line with what got the Niners.


Actually recent reports have cited email communications as the real evidence. Not sure why the NFL kept it quiet.

[cpk1994]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.It's the standard set by the 49ers/Briggs tampering charge. They popped the Niners without real proof, and the Childress-Favre connection is in line with what got the Niners.


Actually recent reports have cited email communications as the real evidence. Not sure why the NFL kept it quiet.Because this is an ongoing investigation and there is no real reason to make it public.

[bobblehead]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.

joe - i think if they had any discussion with favre in regards to playing with the vikings it is tampering, regardless of who started it or how long it went


That can't be right. Any player could call any team at any time, say a couple words and get his team a draft pick if that were the case.

If Favre called and the Vikings continued to say, "we can't discuss that" they are innocent. Are they innocent? Seems kinda unlikely to me...

Much like Bill clinton should have said "young lady, please control yourself" and then had the secret service escort her out, the vikings should have said "brett, we can't talk to you at all" and then hung up.

Its laughable to think brett talked to childress about anything other than playing for the vikes. they are buddies too now, not just he and bevell?

[Guiness]

If Favre initiated the phone calls, how can everyone be so sure that the Vikings were tampering? Even if Favre informed them of his desire to play for the Vikings, wouldn't they have to encourage him for it to be tampering? Is it tampering because they didn't hang up on him? Maybe it is. I don't know. People seem to be jumping to a lot of conclusions without much information to go on.It's the standard set by the 49ers/Briggs tampering charge. They popped the Niners without real proof, and the Childress-Favre connection is in line with what got the Niners.


Actually recent reports have cited email communications as the real evidence. Not sure why the NFL kept it quiet.Because this is an ongoing investigation and there is no real reason to make it public.

If 'tak was refering to the 49ers/Bears, that's not still an ongoing investigation, is it? Were the e-mails you were talking about was for that case?

I always thought the 49ers got beat up pretty bad for doing next to nothing there, and wondered if there was something else. Because if what was reported in that case is the standard for proof, Minny is going to take it on the chin here!

[The Leaper]

Another public manipulation ploy while he rejects the trade partners that are willing to play ball.

Sorry Vince...I don't buy your point.

The Packers have the right to send Favre where they want...and Favre has the right to turn it down if it doesn't suit him.

The Packers don't hold all the control here...nor should they. Favre is not a slave.

Thompson should've have thought this all through before thinking he could easily peg Favre into a corner.

[Zool]

Another public manipulation ploy while he rejects the trade partners that are willing to play ball.

Sorry Vince...I don't buy your point.

The Packers have the right to send Favre where they want...and Favre has the right to turn it down if it doesn't suit him.

The Packers don't hold all the control here...nor should they. Favre is not a slave.

Thompson should've have thought this all through before thinking he could easily peg Favre into a corner.

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.

[The Leaper]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.

I agree with that as well.

I'm just pointing out that when you play hardball, you sometimes will get a high hard fastball coming at you.

Neither side really seems to have taken the other side seriously in this situation.

[MadtownPacker]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.He fucked up, he made a bad choice. BUT why cant he come back? WTF has ARod done to be given the starting job? If it was so important to not miss the mini camps it will show in competition.

Partial is a maniac but he is right that TT or M3 are scared ARod will get outplayed by the old man.

[Zool]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.

I agree with that as well.

I'm just pointing out that when you play hardball, you sometimes will get a high hard fastball coming at you.

Neither side really seems to have taken the other side seriously in this situation.

Just let him in camp. That's really the only solution that will appease all sides. Let him in to compete now that he's willing to give it a go.

[The Leaper]

Partial is a maniac but he is right that TT or M3 are scared ARod will get outplayed by the old man.

No.

They KNOW he will be outplayed by the old man.

Only a dumbass would try to logically argue that Aaron Rodgers is better than Brett Favre RIGHT NOW. Sure, that might change in 6 months...or 12 months...or 36 months...but as of right now, Favre's experience trumps any advantages Rodgers has.

[Zool]

Partial is a maniac but he is right that TT or M3 are scared ARod will get outplayed by the old man.

I disagree with this. I think they are trying to set an example and say that no player is bigger than the team. All of MM's quotes the other day were "we're moving on as a team....team....team....etc". Its more like both sides are waving their dicks in the air to see who's is bigger. Its really god damned annoying from a fans perspective. Kinda makes me wish it was the 1960's and I didnt have 24/7 access to this bullshit.

[RashanGary]

Partial is a maniac but he is right that TT or M3 are scared ARod will get outplayed by the old man.

I disagree with this. I think they are trying to set an example and say that no player is bigger than the team. All of MM's quotes the other day were "we're moving on as a team....team....team....etc". Its more like both sides are waving their dicks in the air to see who's is bigger. Its really god damned annoying from a fans perspective. Kinda makes me wish it was the 1960's and I didnt have 24/7 access to this bullshit.

:) spot on.

This thing will get resolved though. It's a big mess but it's not the end of the world.

[Lurker64]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.He fucked up, he made a bad choice. BUT why cant he come back? WTF has ARod done to be given the starting job? If it was so important to not miss the mini camps it will show in competition.

I think it's more of an issue that if Favre comes into camp and is eventually handed the job it undermines everything coach McCarthy has been saying about "this is Aaron Rodger's team" over the last five months. Can a coach really afford to take a credibility hit like that?

[Partial]

Or maybe Favre should have thought this all through in March.He fucked up, he made a bad choice. BUT why cant he come back? WTF has ARod done to be given the starting job? If it was so important to not miss the mini camps it will show in competition.

I think it's more of an issue that if Favre comes into camp and is eventually handed the job it undermines everything coach McCarthy has been saying about "this is Aaron Rodger's team" over the last five months. Can a coach really afford to take a credibility hit like that?

I don't think it would at all. It would say A-Rod did not perform up to our expectations and did not beat out Favre. We are going with the player who has performed better.

Furthermore, is it really appropriate for them to declare it Rodgers team so preemptively especially with everyone and their mother saying Favre would eventually want to come back? Seems like a poor decision in my part. Furthermore, what if BB came in and lit it up? No one should be declared starter unless they are either long established (Favre), or until after training camp. Rodgers didn't earn that stater title.

[MadtownPacker]

I think it's more of an issue that if Favre comes into camp and is eventually handed the job it undermines everything coach McCarthy has been saying about "this is Aaron Rodger's team" over the last five months. Can a coach really afford to take a credibility hit like that?I feel not making it a fair competition undermines the team concept just as much. Rodgers feelings are being put above the team in a way and other players will take notice. In the end this will hurt Rodgers (who is really the only blameless one in this whole mess) and it will hurt M3's cred.

[Gunakor]

I think it's more of an issue that if Favre comes into camp and is eventually handed the job it undermines everything coach McCarthy has been saying about "this is Aaron Rodger's team" over the last five months. Can a coach really afford to take a credibility hit like that?I feel not making it a fair competition undermines the team concept just as much. Rodgers feelings are being put above the team in a way and other players will take notice. In the end this will hurt Rodgers (who is really the only blameless one in this whole mess) and it will hurt M3's cred.


There might still be a competiton if Favre reports to Green Bay's camp. The Packers camp might be saying there will be no competition just to keep Favre away and avoid further unnecessary distraction. If Favre reports and the distraction comes with him anyway, they aren't just going to sit 13 million dollars on the bench and ignore him. That's crazy talk. If Favre reports then it would be unwise both from a football and a business perspective not to at least allow him the opportunity to win his job back.

The flip side of a competition however is that once a decision is made as to who the winner is then both QB's have to accept that decision. If Favre loses, however unlikely that may be, he'll have to accept that he lost. If Rodgers loses, he has to accept the way things play out and not hold any ill feelings twoard Green Bay for making him second string again. I do NOT want to lose a talented 25 year old QB over this. How Favre and Rodgers could handle a competition is also considered in my feelings on this issue.

[MJZiggy]

I think it's more of an issue that if Favre comes into camp and is eventually handed the job it undermines everything coach McCarthy has been saying about "this is Aaron Rodger's team" over the last five months. Can a coach really afford to take a credibility hit like that?I feel not making it a fair competition undermines the team concept just as much. Rodgers feelings are being put above the team in a way and other players will take notice. In the end this will hurt Rodgers (who is really the only blameless one in this whole mess) and it will hurt M3's cred.


There might still be a competiton if Favre reports to Green Bay's camp. The Packers camp might be saying there will be no competition just to keep Favre away and avoid further unnecessary distraction. If Favre reports and the distraction comes with him anyway, they aren't just going to sit 13 million dollars on the bench and ignore him. That's crazy talk. If Favre reports then it would be unwise both from a football and a business perspective not to at least allow him the opportunity to win his job back.

The flip side of a competition however is that once a decision is made as to who the winner is then both QB's have to accept that decision. If Favre loses, however unlikely that may be, he'll have to accept that he lost. If Rodgers loses, he has to accept the way things play out and not hold any ill feelings twoard Green Bay for making him second string again. I do NOT want to lose a talented 25 year old QB over this. How Favre and Rodgers could handle a competition is also considered in my feelings on this issue.

It will be interesting to see, if Favre does come into camp, how they divide snap counts and plays with the first team...

[Fritz]

I'd start Flynn. That's why I'm not an NFL head coach.

[Partial]

Zig they aren't going to let him in the facility. They'll pull a Tennessee and ban him from working out to prevent injury and then trade him.

[Fritz]

Partial, I specifically heard MM say in his press conference yesterday that there's no way they'd keep Favre out of the building.