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motife
06-12-2006, 05:34 PM
MONDAY, June 12, 2006, 3:23 p.m.
Weight down, Allen moves up

When the Green Bay Packers held their first minicamp in early May, defensive tackle Kenderick Allen weighed 341 pounds and huffed and puffed his way through practice. "It was like putting an overweight fighter in the ring," admitted Allen. "He ain't going to last too long." The New York Giants had cut Allen in late April for not participating in their off-season workouts and the Packers signed him as a free agent.

But Allen said after the Packers' practice Monday - as their off-season team activities continue - that his weight was down to 325, just about his natural playing weight. And it has shown on the practice field. Allen is moving better in individual drills and being downright overpowering on occasion in one-one pass rushing sessions. "He's a beast," said guard Junius Coston.

At 6-foot-5 and 325, Allen has a similar build to recently cut defensive tackle Donnell Washington, who was listed at 6-6 and 328. In truth, Washington probably had a better physique. Washington had pipes bigger than Popeye. But unlike Washington, Allen plays with leverage. His strong suit is playing the inside running game. But Allen also has been bull-rushing linemen into the lap of an imaginary quarterback in one-on-one pass rushing drills. He also has been getting some work with the No. 1 defense. Allen was paired with Cullen Jenkins Monday, and they split time with the tandem of Corey Williams and Colin Cole. Allen played 14 games with the Giants last season and has played in 29 over the course of his three-year career. He spent his first season with New Orleans. Allen, who played at Louisiana State, signed with the Saints in 2003 as a non-drafted free agent.

Rookie Jason Spitz replaced Coston at right guard with the first unit Monday. Coston admitted he had a rough practice Friday. But Spitz on his first real chance with the No. 1s struggled in one-on-one pass blocking. Although Spitz's strength is his punch, he sometimes overextends himself in delivering it. That happened on his first turn against Williams. On his second turn, Spitz couldn't handle Allen's bull rush. That's an area where Coston has struggled, as well: Pass blocking.

Daryn Colledge, the Packers' other rookie guard, was one-for-two in one-on-one pass blocking. He got beat on a late spin move by Jenkins, but held his ground against rookie defensive tackle Johnny Jolly. Later in that same drill, Jolly and Coston engaged in a brief scuffle.

Tony Moll, the Packers' third drafted rookie offensive linemen, worked at right tackle for the first time. Moll, a fifth-round draft pick, had practiced exclusively at left tackle. Non-drafted free agent Josh Bourke moved from right to left tackle. He had practiced at left tackle in the second minicamp and also played there his last two seasons at Grand Valley State. Bourke stands 6-7 and weighs 314.

The Packers' new coaching staff must see something in running back Noah Herron. He has been getting snaps with the first offense ahead of Samkon Gado. Ben Brown, the rookie running back from Tabor, didn't get any snaps in team drills Monday.

Punting with a brisk wind, B.J. Sander averaged 48.9 yards on nine punts; Jon Ryan averaged 51 yards on eight punts. But Sander was more consistent. His punts ranged from 43 to 55 yards. Ryan's ranged from 37 to 60.

First-round draft pick A.J. Hawk reported for his first practice of the OTAs and worked with the first unit. ... Wide receiver Rod Gardner, tight end David Martin and cornerback Mike Hawkins missed practice. ... Fullback Vonta Leach and linebacker Abdul Hodge returned to practice. ... Wide receivers Chad Lucas and Vince Butler, who just completed their NFL Europe seasons, observed practice.

FRIDAY, June 9, 2006, 3:46 p.m.
Spitz makes an impression

As Brett Favre said at his Thursday press conference, the Green Bay Packers will learn the truth about their young offensive guards sometime after Sept. 10 when they start lining up against the likes of Shaun Rogers and Pat Williams. But don’t be surprised if the Packers wind up starting two rookies at guard.

The deeper the Packers get into their off-season workouts, the more there is to like about third-round draft pick Jason Spitz. At first glance, second-round choice Daryn Colledge looked to be the better athlete. Colledge's knee bend is exceptional and maybe it sounds trite, but he just looks the part. Spitz is a different kind of an athlete. He seems to be one of those guys who plays with good base, good leverage, all those little things that matter.

From the start of the first minicamp, Spitz’s punch stood out in both pass protection and the run game. He has what they call in the trade “heavy hands.” But on Tuesday during a practice in the Hutson Center, Spitz’s athletic ability jumped out during a drill where the guards were practicing a short pull. He came out of his stance, pivoted, ran flat down the line and made it all look effortless. He looked more natural at it than Colledge. Spitz had a lot of practice pulling at Louisville, where he said it was the “bread and butter” of the team’s offense. In the Packers’ new zone blocking scheme, the guards won’t be doing a lot of pulling. But they need to be good athletes. So it probably shouldn’t come as any great surprise that Spitz seems to fit the mold. After all, if the Packers didn't think he was athletic enough to fit their scheme, they wouldn’t have drafted him.

For now, Spitz is practicing mostly at right guard, backing up Junius Coston, another good athlete. But Spitz also has worked some at center and left guard. And it might just be that the Packers haven't even seen much of Spitz's best trait. He appears to have a nasty streak to him that might become more obvious when the players put their pads on in training camp.

With Favre missing practice Friday, the offense looked horrendous. In the two-minute drill, quarterback Aaron Rodgers was sacked on the first play of his first series – safety Mark Roman caught him on a blitz out of a dime defense – and threw an interception to cornerback Jason Horton on the third play. On his second series, Rodgers marched the offense 41 yards in nine plays, but was only 3 of 8 and was off target on his last two passes, ending the drive. On his only series, rookie quarterback Ingle Martin was sacked twice and threw incomplete on fourth down.

In 7-on-7, Rodgers overthrew a wide-open Donald Driver on a go route and threw another interception to Horton. Martin was 0 for 6 in that portion of practice. Fourth-string quarterback Tom Arth threw one pass and it was intercepted by cornerback Ahmad Carroll. In Martin’s defense, two of his incomplete passes were drops by running backs Samkon Gado and Noah Herron on swing passes out of the backfield.

Horton couldn’t have had a better day. In addition to his two interceptions, he also had two deflections. … Rookie safety Tra Boger also broke up a pass down the middle intended for tight end Tory Humphrey in the two-minute drill. … The two sacks against Martin in the two-minute drill were registered by Kenny Peterson and Corey Williams. … Cornerback Mike Hawkins also made a nice play to break up a deep ball thrown to rookie wide receiver Calvin Russell. … Rodgers had another pass tipped at the line in the two-minute drill. … Free agent wide receiver Ruvell Martin had a chance to make three tough catches over the course of practice and didn’t make one.

As bad as the offense looked, the special teams looked no better. At the end of Rodgers’ second series in the two-minute drill, both Billy Cundiff and Dave Rayner were given a chance to kick 40-yard field goals into a stiff wind. Cundiff’s ball died in the wind and to the left of the goal post. Rayner got more leg into his ball, but it also was wide left. Punters Jon Ryan and B.J. Sander also punted into the wind earlier. At least three of Sander’s eight punts failed to travel at least 30 yards. Ryan booted one that barely made it past the line of scrimmage.

If the specialists can’t kick on a windy, but 60-some degree day, what are they going to do when the wind is howling and the temperature is in the teens and the ball seems like it weighs as much as a shot put?

The Packers released defensive tackle Donnell Washington. … Linebackers Nick Barnett and Abdul Hodge, and fullback Vonta Leach all missed practice for personal reasons. … With Barnett and Hodge missing, Ben Taylor lined up with the first defense at middle linebacker. … Charles Woodson, Al Harris and Ryan Pickett still haven’t reported. … Neither has No. 1 pick A.J. Hawk, but he’s expected in Monday. … Wide receiver Chad Lucas reported from NFL Europe, but didn’t practice.

packer4life
06-12-2006, 05:54 PM
Punters Jon Ryan and B.J. Sander also punted into the wind earlier. At least three of Sander’s eight punts failed to travel at least 30 yards. Ryan booted one that barely made it past the line of scrimmage.

Barely made it to the line of scrimmage!?!??!?!? I literally just spit out half of my drink upon reading that...truly pathetic.

gbpackfan
06-12-2006, 09:51 PM
TT better be watching the waiver wire for a G. Or, he better swing a trade. Two rookie G's, yikes! I am very worried about their ability to pass block.

motife
06-13-2006, 02:16 AM
Green Bay - A.J. Hawk wasn't the only rookie to step in with the first string Monday.

Jason Spitz, a third-round pick out of Louisville in April, got the call at right guard when the Green Bay Packers opened up their third week of voluntary practices on Clarke Hinkle Field, joining second-round pick Daryn Colledge.

Spitz, who had been running with the No. 2 offense, replaced Junius Coston. Spitz had filled in for Coston on the second day of workouts when Coston was not in attendance.

But on Monday, the coaching staff gave Spitz what appeared to be a merit-based promotion.

"I'm making improvements all the time, picking up the offense and those kinds of things," Spitz said. "But as far as how it'll end up, I don't know. I guess that's up to the football gods."

The 6-foot-4, 313-pound Spitz started his final 39 games at Louisville, splitting time between left and right guard, but was drafted by the Packers with the thought he'd initially be a center. With Scott Wells appearing entrenched at that position, though, and the Packers' need for linemen who can move in their new zone-blocking scheme, Spitz slid over to guard.

Roll call
Middle linebacker Nick Barnett missed practice for the third time in four days. He suffered a knee injury last Tuesday, coach Mike McCarthy said last week, then sat out Wednesday, returned briefly Thursday before dropping out and then missed Friday and Monday.

It's unclear whether his absences are related to the knee injury, however.

Also missing were cornerback Mike Hawkins, wide receiver Rod Gardner and tight end David Martin.

Cornerbacks Al Harris and Charles Woodson and defensive tackle Ryan Pickett continue to skip the voluntary workouts.

Returning to practice were fullback Vonta Leach and linebacker Abdul Hodge. Wide receiver Vince Butler, who played in NFL Europe this spring, was in attendance for the first time but did not practice.

Injury list
In attendance but sitting out Monday were wide receivers Butler and Chad Lucas, running backs Ahman Green, Arliss Beach and Najeh Davenport, linebackers Tim Goodwell, Brady Poppinga and Byron Santiago and tackles Adrian Klemm and Chad Clifton.

Cornerback Will Blackmon and tackle Kevin Barry remained out as well.

retailguy
06-13-2006, 11:23 AM
Punters Jon Ryan and B.J. Sander also punted into the wind earlier. At least three of Sander’s eight punts failed to travel at least 30 yards. Ryan booted one that barely made it past the line of scrimmage.

Barely made it to the line of scrimmage!?!??!?!? I literally just spit out half of my drink upon reading that...truly pathetic.


Well, I agree, but today, I'm very grateful that the "wannabe expert GM's" in this forum didn't get their way and get Sander waived. I seem to remember a 5 yard punt in a exhibition game a couple years back that no one has ever let Sander forget. Nice to know he's not the only one that has shanked one.

Surely, none of the "wannabe experts" here have ever done that..... LMAO...

HarveyWallbangers
06-13-2006, 11:48 AM
Bad guy to defend. He's been horrible. You have to be blind to see that his leg strength will never allow him to be more than average. That's top end. Shanking once in an exhibition game is one thing (even less than shanking in a practice that nobody has seen). Being in the bottom 10 percentile in the league in punting average and net punting, and generally not showing the skills to be an upper echelon punter, is an entirely different thing.

retailguy
06-13-2006, 12:02 PM
Bad guy to defend. He's been horrible. You have to be blind to see that his leg strength will never allow him to be more than average. That's top end. Shanking once in an exhibition game is one thing (even less than shanking in a practice that nobody has seen). Being in the bottom 10 percentile in the league in punting average and net punting, and generally not showing the skills to be an upper echelon punter, is an entirely different thing.


Not trying to defend him, just pointing out that one play shouldn't determine someone's total outlook of a person.

I still hold out some hope that the consistency will continue, however that "potential" is bleak at the very least.

Green Bud Packer
06-13-2006, 12:07 PM
I'm not getting too excited about guys moving in and out of the starters role this early. Hopefully the pack will be settled in on a starting offensive line early in training camp, unlike last season. The depth of the o-line seems to be better and thats a good start. Starting two rooks isn't the ideal situation but it doesn't frighten me. The pack has done it before i.e. Tausch and Cliffy so it can be done again. May the best man win.

billy_oliver880
06-13-2006, 12:34 PM
I'm not getting too excited about guys moving in and out of the starters role this early. Hopefully the pack will be settled in on a starting offensive line early in training camp, unlike last season. The depth of the o-line seems to be better and thats a good start. Starting two rooks isn't the ideal situation but it doesn't frighten me. The pack has done it before i.e. Tausch and Cliffy so it can be done again. May the best man win.

Lets just hope that they don't decide to play musical chairs on the line is say november? :mad:

retailguy
06-13-2006, 12:38 PM
Lets just hope that they don't decide to play musical chairs on the line is say november? :mad:

Good one. :lol:

Harlan Huckleby
06-13-2006, 12:41 PM
The depth of the o-line seems to be better and thats a good start.

I don't agree. Last years they had Wells, Reugamer and Barry as backups. Klemm is good at LT, but that's it.

Scott Campbell
06-13-2006, 01:11 PM
The depth of the o-line seems to be better and thats a good start.

I don't agree. Last years they had Wells, Reugamer and Barry as backups. Klemm is good at LT, but that's it.

I don't think we have much of a clue yet as to what we have. If we drafted studs, then were probably ok. If we drafted duds, or they take a while to develop, then were not ok. I don't think we have much of a plan B.

Backups on the O-line don't see as much PT as backups on the D-line. If the line stays healthy, then our backups won't be as much of a factor.

KYPack
06-13-2006, 04:28 PM
The depth of the o-line seems to be better and thats a good start.

I don't agree. Last years they had Wells, Reugamer and Barry as backups. Klemm is good at LT, but that's it.

I'm with HH all the way on this one. We need vet guards who can hold the fort 'til these young guys get up to speed. It takes a couple years to master the tricks and techniques of NFL line play. iI saw Anthony Munoz get totally humbled in his first NFL start. An old pro got several sacks and totally crushed him. By mid-season, he was OK, but that's guy with HOF talent. Some of our kids will be traumatized by the vets if we don't get some help.

woodbuck27
06-13-2006, 04:57 PM
" I'm with HH all the way on this one. We need vet guards who can hold the fort 'til these young guys get up to speed. It takes a couple years to master the tricks and techniques of NFL line play. " KyPack

No kidding ! Anyone who see's depth on OUR OL from LT to RT - is dreaming? - is deluded? - is unrealistic? . . . choose one !

This is far and away the biggest area of concern? - biggest weakness? - the position where we lack talent and experience the most? - choose one.

No wonder LT Chad Clifton had such an off season last year. He had to play two positions or at least try to co-ordinate his job, with whomever might be on his right. This season Tauscher may be as afflicted looking to his left.

The ZBS by it's very definition demands that OUR OL work as a solid unit, and that means deal with the strengths of the opponents DL.

Anyone who believes that Scott Wells will settle right in there and take over from Mike Flanigan @ Center will be sadly disappointed.

Dam ! I hope I am wrong.

Anti-Polar Bear
06-13-2006, 05:58 PM
Scott Campbell once made a 5 yards punt for Wisconsin. Don't believe me? Check out the Badgers' archieves.

Harlan Huckleby
06-13-2006, 07:04 PM
Scott Campbell once made a 5 yards punt for Wisconsin. Don't believe me? Check out the Badgers' archieves.

Tank, have you been googling "Scott Campbell", scouring the internet for dirt? I applaud your efforts, but am a little surprised by your renewed interest.

Anti-Polar Bear
06-13-2006, 07:13 PM
Tank, have you been googling "Scott Campbell", scouring the internet for dirt? I applaud your efforts, but am a little surprised by your renewed interest.

No, Harlan, I found out Scott Campbell played for the Badgers around draft time when I was doing research on Brooker Stanly to support my argument that Mike Huff is a better prospect than Hawk. In addition to discovering that Stanly rushed for over 1oo yds against a Hawk-led OSU defense, I discovered that Scott Campbell punted for the Badgers.

In fact, I started a thread telling the world just that. But Madtown fucking Packer delated it probably because Woodbuck and Campbell had just agreed to a truce at that time and he didnt want me stirring the peace.

Hope that helps.

Harlan Huckleby
06-13-2006, 07:16 PM
ok, thanks for backgrounder.

Scott Campbell
06-13-2006, 08:21 PM
Scott Campbell once made a 5 yards punt for Wisconsin. Don't believe me? Check out the Badgers' archieves.

Hey - it was into a stiff wind. And there was no return.