Good Job Thompson....It Only Took 4 Years.

[PackerBlues]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

From day one with Thompson, it has always been about the future. Don't worry Packer Fans, because in the future......... :roll:


Face it, Thompson came into GB with an agenda, and I must admit, that he has done a good job doing what it is that he has come here to do. The team is young, the salary cap is in great shape. The older players are all gone. I doubt that you will ever see anyone retire in GB.......Thompson is not afraid to let any player go, no matter what their history has been with the team.

When I used to root for the Packers, when I cheered them on, I wasn't just cheering on the team, but also for the character of the players, and how hard they struggled to become the best that they could be. I cheered the Packers because of the pride that I felt, just in being a fan of such a great team.

Now, it is apparent that it's all business in GB. Any player can be cut or traded at any time. I was shocked when Henderson was cut with one year left on his contract. I thought that Henderson of all players would have deserved a retirement ceremony at the end of his contract. He had served the Packers proudly. Nevermind his age, he was in great shape when Thompson cut him. Henderson was a workout warrior, who counted every calorie, and every carb. Yet, as with Brett Favre, Henderson was sent Packing by Thompson, who claimed that he wished that someone else could sign the trade papers for Favre. I don't buy it for a second, and will always believe that getting rid of Brett Favre was always part of Thompsons agenda from the start.

I love the Packers, but it's hard to get excited about rooting for a business instead of a team.

[Zool]

Then dont watch. Go be a Jets fan and pollute their msg board with your slanted views.

[cpk1994]

Then dont watch. Go be a Jets fan and pollute their msg board with your slanted views.And take Gex, Paco, Merlin and Woody with you.

[Zool]

Then dont watch. Go be a Jets fan and pollute their msg board with your slanted views.And take Gex, Paco, Merlin and Woody with you.

No...just him. Those guys are wacky and keep people entertained.

[sheepshead]

Henderson? Cutting guys is his job, that's what he gets paid for. It's not a mens club, its a football team that is judged on wins.

What specifically is your problem with our offensive line? Not idol bitching, but what specifically is your issue?

[swede]

I was shocked when Henderson was cut with one year left on his contract. I thought that Henderson of all players would have deserved a retirement ceremony at the end of his contract. He had served the Packers proudly. Nevermind his age, he was in great shape when Thompson cut him. Henderson was a workout warrior, who counted every calorie, and every carb.

Gosh, if you had your own NFL team you could have signed Henderson. The other 31 GM's passed, so he was definitely available.

[RashanGary]

I'm glad that we have a group of guys that want to be here and take every opportunity during the season or offseason to get better. It's a great group of guys. I think we'll see some inspired play this year and we'll all be happy to be Packer fans.

[sheepshead]

Maybe they don't have TVs in Reedsburg.

[GoPackGo]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

From day one with Thompson, it has always been about the future. Don't worry Packer Fans, because in the future......... :roll:


Face it, Thompson came into GB with an agenda, and I must admit, that he has done a good job doing what it is that he has come here to do. The team is young, the salary cap is in great shape. The older players are all gone. I doubt that you will ever see anyone retire in GB.......Thompson is not afraid to let any player go, no matter what their history has been with the team.

When I used to root for the Packers, when I cheered them on, I wasn't just cheering on the team, but also for the character of the players, and how hard they struggled to become the best that they could be. I cheered the Packers because of the pride that I felt, just in being a fan of such a great team.

Now, it is apparent that it's all business in GB. Any player can be cut or traded at any time. I was shocked when Henderson was cut with one year left on his contract. I thought that Henderson of all players would have deserved a retirement ceremony at the end of his contract. He had served the Packers proudly. Nevermind his age, he was in great shape when Thompson cut him. Henderson was a workout warrior, who counted every calorie, and every carb. Yet, as with Brett Favre, Henderson was sent Packing by Thompson, who claimed that he wished that someone else could sign the trade papers for Favre. I don't buy it for a second, and will always believe that getting rid of Brett Favre was always part of Thompsons agenda from the start.

I love the Packers, but it's hard to get excited about rooting for a business instead of a team.

Good post but I would argue that Thompson is replacing the older high character workout warriors and overall good guys with younger high character workout warriors and overall good guys.
Henderson will be honored by the Packers so I don't think it matters when they do it.

[arcilite]

From day one with Thompson, it has always been about the future.

he has done a good job doing what it is that he has come here to do.
The team is young, the salary cap is in great shape. The older players are all gone.

Thompson is not afraid to let any player go, no matter what their history has been with the team.



it's all business in GB. Any player can be cut or traded at any time.




Exactly what we need in a GM. Couldn't have said it better myself!

[BallHawk]

PB, when Henderson was cut it was because he wasn't a serviceable FB anymore. Everybody loved Hendo, he played the game right and was a fantastic person.

However, and a lot agree on this point, Hendo had declined, at the point TT cut him, to a degree where he couldn't benefit the team on the field as much as another fullback could. Simple as that.

[DonHutson]

Henderson was a workout warrior, who counted every calorie, and every carb.

So does Richard Simmons. You want him playing fullback?

The future, future, future stuff is nonsense. The future became the present last year when Thompson's misguided plan took them to the NFC Championship Game.

[LL2]

The one thing I do like about the Favre trade to NY is the poison pill. The Jets have to give GB 3 1st rd picks if they trade Favre to the Vikings. That was smart!

[PackerTimer]

PB, when Henderson was cut it was because he wasn't a serviceable FB anymore. Everybody loved Hendo, he played the game right and was a fantastic person.

However, and a lot agree on this point, Hendo had declined, at the point TT cut him, to a degree where he couldn't benefit the team on the field as much as another fullback could. Simple as that.

You can't reason with this clown. I don't think it was his intention but he made a great case for TT as a great GM. Congrats on your first good post, even if it was by accident.

[sharpe1027]

TT put Favre on the active roster, it's not his job to pick who starts.

MM and Favre decided it was best for Favre to move on. TT did the best he could to accomodate their decision and get something for the Packers.

Get over it.

[Bossman641]

Yea, it's really a shame that we didn't hang onto Henderson and all those other veterans.

Rivera is available. Maybe we can bring him back.
Tell TT to get on the phone about a Sharper trade.
What is Flanagan doing these days?
Is Michael Hawthorne still alive?

Nobody is doubting that Henderson is a great guy with a ton of class. He is one of my favorite Packers, however his time had come. There was a noticeable decline in his skills.

If that's your main argument, you need to head back to the drawing board.

[BlueBrewer]

What specifically is your problem with our offensive line? Not idol bitching, but what specifically is your issue?[/quote]
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Exactly, Pennington and Clemens were sacked 54 times last year, way more than Favre, good luck Brett.

[sheepshead]

Yep, Brett's not gonna be looking at the stars at all with this bunch. Good Call!



PASS PROTECTION
TEAM Adj. Line
Yards RB
Yards Power
Success Power
Rank 10+
Yards 10+
Rank Stuffed Stuffed
Rank TEAM Sack
Rank Sacks Adj.
Sack Rate
GB 1 19 3.1%
CIN 2 17 3.2%
NO 3 16 3.6%
NE 4 21 4.1%
CLE 5 19 4.2%
IND 6 23 4.2%
DAL 7 25 4.5%
SD 8 24 4.6%
ARI 9 24 4.7%
HOU 10 22 4.8%
NYG 11 28 5.0%
WAS 12 29 5.1%
BUF 13 26 5.4%
DEN 14 32 5.9%
CAR 15 33 6.4%
TEN 16 30 6.6%

JAC 17 31 6.9%
CHI 18 43 7.1%
SEA 19 37 7.1%
MIA 20 42 7.4%
PHI 21 49 7.6%
BAL 22 39 7.6%
ATL 23 47 7.9%
TB 24 36 7.9%
STL 25 48 8.1%
DET 26 54 8.3%
OAK 27 41 8.5%
MIN 28 38 8.7%
KC 29 55 9.1%
NYJ 30 53 9.3%
PIT 31 47 10.1%
SF 32 55 10.3%

[PackerBlues]

PB, when Henderson was cut it was because he wasn't a serviceable FB anymore. Everybody loved Hendo, he played the game right and was a fantastic person.

However, and a lot agree on this point, Hendo had declined, at the point TT cut him, to a degree where he couldn't benefit the team on the field as much as another fullback could. Simple as that.

First of all, I would like to thank you for keeping your response respectfull, and also thank anyone else who has posted to this thread with any kind of dignity or respect. Lately, if I post something, I like to let the thread go by itself for a while, to let all the smart/dumb-asses get in their attempts to be witty. If the thread dies before I get back to it, so be it. I just like to express my opinions in the hopes of hearing from others that share my views.

With that being said, I'm 37 years old, and have been a Packer fan for as long as I can remember. I agree with you, that Henderson was getting a little long in the tooth, but if you were to go back and look at how he had been used over the years, you would see that he (and all other FB's on the roster during his tenure) was really only used as a blocker who recieved a screen pass every now and then. Hell, just take a look at his stats, and you would have to wonder why you didn't ever hear him bitch about his limited use.

Henderson was a team player through and through, read my post, take out the parts that you don't like about Thompson, and try to understand that all things considered, I really do not think it would have hurt the team in the least to let Hendo finish out the last year of his contract. I just think it would have been nice to have seen him sent off in style, rather than just cutting him. (I am just assuming that he would have retired at the end of his contract.)


Mark Shlerriff (yes I spelled it wrong, and may even get the quote wrong, so fuckin sue me) said something along the lines of how "players show their commitment to the team through their play on the field. The commitment that the Packers have been showing to their players should be written on toilet paper." In Thompsons case, used toilet paper.

[bobblehead]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:
.

I didn't pay a lot of attention last year. How many wins did the jets have? How many sacks did they allow? How many yards rushing did they have? How did this stellar line compare with the packers?

[SMACKTALKIE]

Yep, Brett's not gonna be looking at the stars at all with this bunch. Good Call!



PASS PROTECTION
TEAM Adj. Line
Yards RB
Yards Power
Success Power
Rank 10+
Yards 10+
Rank Stuffed Stuffed
Rank TEAM Sack
Rank Sacks Adj.
Sack Rate
GB 1 19 3.1%
CIN 2 17 3.2%
NO 3 16 3.6%
NE 4 21 4.1%
CLE 5 19 4.2%
IND 6 23 4.2%
DAL 7 25 4.5%
SD 8 24 4.6%
ARI 9 24 4.7%
HOU 10 22 4.8%
NYG 11 28 5.0%
WAS 12 29 5.1%
BUF 13 26 5.4%
DEN 14 32 5.9%
CAR 15 33 6.4%
TEN 16 30 6.6%

JAC 17 31 6.9%
CHI 18 43 7.1%
SEA 19 37 7.1%
MIA 20 42 7.4%
PHI 21 49 7.6%
BAL 22 39 7.6%
ATL 23 47 7.9%
TB 24 36 7.9%
STL 25 48 8.1%
DET 26 54 8.3%
OAK 27 41 8.5%
MIN 28 38 8.7%
KC 29 55 9.1%
NYJ 30 53 9.3%
PIT 31 47 10.1%
SF 32 55 10.3%

QB play factors into those numbers. Favre is good at getting rid of the ball quickly.

[sheepshead]

Hey PB -- Fuck You, you'll get a respectful response when you write a respectful post. Read that hunk of trash again and explain why anyone shouldn't go off on you. Profanity, totally wrong information and very little thought, but somehow with some self imposed authority.

Typical garbage found in an open forum.

[sheepshead]

Yep, Brett's not gonna be looking at the stars at all with this bunch. Good Call!



PASS PROTECTION
TEAM Adj. Line
Yards RB
Yards Power
Success Power
Rank 10+
Yards 10+
Rank Stuffed Stuffed
Rank TEAM Sack
Rank Sacks Adj.
Sack Rate
GB 1 19 3.1%
CIN 2 17 3.2%
NO 3 16 3.6%
NE 4 21 4.1%
CLE 5 19 4.2%
IND 6 23 4.2%
DAL 7 25 4.5%
SD 8 24 4.6%
ARI 9 24 4.7%
HOU 10 22 4.8%
NYG 11 28 5.0%
WAS 12 29 5.1%
BUF 13 26 5.4%
DEN 14 32 5.9%
CAR 15 33 6.4%
TEN 16 30 6.6%

JAC 17 31 6.9%
CHI 18 43 7.1%
SEA 19 37 7.1%
MIA 20 42 7.4%
PHI 21 49 7.6%
BAL 22 39 7.6%
ATL 23 47 7.9%
TB 24 36 7.9%
STL 25 48 8.1%
DET 26 54 8.3%
OAK 27 41 8.5%
MIN 28 38 8.7%
KC 29 55 9.1%
NYJ 30 53 9.3%
PIT 31 47 10.1%
SF 32 55 10.3%

QB play factors into those numbers. Favre is good at getting rid of the ball quickly.



:roll: :roll: :roll:

[PackerBlues]

The Jets have made some changes to their O-line this year, from what I understand, every guy on the line was a former 1st round pick. While I understand that being a first round pick does not mean shit (Justin Harrell anyone?), the Jets have shown that they are very enthusiastic about protecting their QB. Unlike Thompsons cheap ass, they even used free agency. :worship: :satan:

(by the way JH, take a look at what that "Favre-Hater" Rod Woodson has on his chin. Looks like a nut-warmer. You should think about getting one for you and ted. :twisted: )

[SMACKTALKIE]

Yep, Brett's not gonna be looking at the stars at all with this bunch. Good Call!



PASS PROTECTION
TEAM Adj. Line
Yards RB
Yards Power
Success Power
Rank 10+
Yards 10+
Rank Stuffed Stuffed
Rank TEAM Sack
Rank Sacks Adj.
Sack Rate
GB 1 19 3.1%
CIN 2 17 3.2%
NO 3 16 3.6%
NE 4 21 4.1%
CLE 5 19 4.2%
IND 6 23 4.2%
DAL 7 25 4.5%
SD 8 24 4.6%
ARI 9 24 4.7%
HOU 10 22 4.8%
NYG 11 28 5.0%
WAS 12 29 5.1%
BUF 13 26 5.4%
DEN 14 32 5.9%
CAR 15 33 6.4%
TEN 16 30 6.6%

JAC 17 31 6.9%
CHI 18 43 7.1%
SEA 19 37 7.1%
MIA 20 42 7.4%
PHI 21 49 7.6%
BAL 22 39 7.6%
ATL 23 47 7.9%
TB 24 36 7.9%
STL 25 48 8.1%
DET 26 54 8.3%
OAK 27 41 8.5%
MIN 28 38 8.7%
KC 29 55 9.1%
NYJ 30 53 9.3%
PIT 31 47 10.1%
SF 32 55 10.3%

QB play factors into those numbers. Favre is good at getting rid of the ball quickly.



:roll: :roll: :roll:

Post these numbers, adjusted, half way throught the season. Then they will be applicable.

[sheepshead]

The Jets have made some changes to their O-line this year, from what I understand, every guy on the line was a former 1st round pick. While I understand that being a first round pick does not mean shit (Justin Harrell anyone?), the Jets have shown that they are very enthusiastic about protecting their QB. Unlike Thompsons cheap ass, they even used free agency. :worship: :satan:

(by the way JH, take a look at what that "Favre-Hater" Rod Woodson has on his chin. Looks like a nut-warmer. You should think about getting one for you and ted. :twisted: )



2008

74 Nick Mangold C 24 6-4 300 3 Ohio State 68 Will Montgomery C 25 6-3 312 3 Virginia Tech 66 Alan Faneca G 31 6-5 307 11 LSU 62 Matt McChesney G 26 6-4 307 2 Colorado 65 Brandon Moore G 28 6-3 295 6 Illinois 67 Damien Woody G 30 6-3 325 10 Boston College 72 Jacob Bender OL 23 6-6 315 2 Nicholls State 78 Wayne Hunter OL 27 6-5 303 5 Hawaii 76 Clint Oldenburg OL 24 6-5 300 1 Colorado State 60 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT 24 6-6 312 3 Virginia 71 Nate Garner OT 23 6-6 325 R Arkansas 75 Robert Turner OT 23 6-4 308 1 New Mexico

2007


63DeVan, Kyle C6-230602/10/1985ROregon State74Mangold, Nick C6-430001/13/19843Ohio State67Woody, Damien C6-333511/03/197710Boston College

75Turner, Robert G6-430808/20/19841New Mexico64Daniels, Stanley G6-432011/30/19841Washington68Montgomery, Will G6-331002/13/19833Virginia Tech65Moore, Brandon G6-329506/03/19806Illinois66Faneca, Alan G6-530712/07/197611LSU

62McChesney, Matt OL6-430711/06/19812Colorado
71Garner, Nate T6-731801/18/1985RArkansas72Bender, Jacob T6-631504/25/19852Nicholls State76Oldenburg, Clint T6-531009/09/19831Colorado State60Ferguson, D'Brickashaw T6-631212/10/19833Virginia78Hunter, Wayne T6-530307/02/19815Hawaii


Maybe they dont have those guys in camp yet?? hmmmm

[sheepshead]

"Post these numbers, adjusted, half way throught the season. Then they will be applicable."

I don't get it. What do you mean?

[DonHutson]

Henderson was a team player through and through, read my post, take out the parts that you don't like about Thompson, and try to understand that all things considered, I really do not think it would have hurt the team in the least to let Hendo finish out the last year of his contract. I just think it would have been nice to have seen him sent off in style, rather than just cutting him.


Henderson was a team player, and therefore I doubt he would've wanted anyone doing him any favors if he wasn't the best man for the job. He'll get his big sendoff when he goes into the Packer HOF.

[Freak Out]

I really think the Pack line are going to be monsters this year....it SHOULD all come together. Even the North Pole boy is going to get it done on a consistent basis...just like a good Alaskan always does. :lol:

The Jets brought some good guys in but are they going to all come together at the right time?

[svh1962]

[

Mark Shlerriff (yes I spelled it wrong, and may even get the quote wrong, so fuckin sue me) said something along the lines of how "players show their commitment to the team through their play on the field. The commitment that the Packers have been showing to their players should be written on toilet paper." In Thompsons case, used toilet paper.

Mark Schlereth is an idiot who is in love with everything Brett does just like all the other ex-jocks at favrespn. I really hate it when he is on tv and opens his mouth to talk.

[Packgator]

Face it, Thompson came into GB with an agenda

As opposed to what? No agenda? I would hope he showed up to work with an agenda.

[cpk1994]

Then dont watch. Go be a Jets fan and pollute their msg board with your slanted views.And take Gex, Paco, Merlin and Woody with you.

No...just him. Those guys are wacky and keep people entertained.Touche.

[cpk1994]

The one thing I do like about the Favre trade to NY is the poison pill. The Jets have to give GB 3 1st rd picks if they trade Favre to the Vikings. That was smart!WHich means if the JEts were admant and wanted to traDe to the Vikes it would cost the VIkes 3 1sts + additional picks just to aquire Favre(becuase the Jets would want to get back what the picks they lose to the Pack). MOreover, this also applies to the Bears and the Lions.

[swede]

[

Mark Shlerriff (yes I spelled it wrong, and may even get the quote wrong, so fuckin sue me) said something along the lines of how "players show their commitment to the team through their play on the field. The commitment that the Packers have been showing to their players should be written on toilet paper." In Thompsons case, used toilet paper.

Mark Schlereth is an idiot who is in love with everything Brett does just like all the other ex-jocks at favrespn. I really hate it when he is on tv and opens his mouth to talk.

With few exceptions, the national media have been talking out of their asses about Favre.

The ESPN radio guys were constantly astonished and flabbergasted at how the Packers were treating Favre--often invoking his 16 year run of greatness. They seemed completely oblivious to the fact that the guy retired, stayed retired through the draft, missed the OTA's, and sent fuzzy, mixed messages throughout the summer.

The only way for the team to have handled it more cleanly would have been to been more brutal to Brett in private and in public.

I heard someone on radio ESPN's Football Tonight that the handling of Favre sent a bad message to the team's veterans.

You mean, the message that if you retire and miss the entire off-season you might not get your old job back at the age of 38? :roll:

[FritzDontBlitz]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

I know you're probably getting a lot of grief for your rant but this line is not only funny as hell but true. Favre has to be happy as hell that he went from running for his life behind Daryn "the human turnstile" Colledge to lining up behind Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. The receivers are a definite downgrade but that O-line looks like a beast. He also has Thomas Jones to carry the rock. Add in the hard nosed defense the Jets have been known for and its really not a bad setup for an aging guy who needs a good supporting cast to succeed. He also has Hubba Bubba as a safety valve when things get a little dicey. Its gonna be interesting. People can hold a grudge all they want about the guy but its still gonna be fun to watch.

[Patler]

I agree with you, that Henderson was getting a little long in the tooth, but if you were to go back and look at how he had been used over the years, you would see that he (and all other FB's on the roster during his tenure) was really only used as a blocker who recieved a screen pass every now and then. Hell, just take a look at his stats, and you would have to wonder why you didn't ever hear him bitch about his limited use.

Henderson was a team player through and through, read my post, take out the parts that you don't like about Thompson, and try to understand that all things considered, I really do not think it would have hurt the team in the least to let Hendo finish out the last year of his contract. I just think it would have been nice to have seen him sent off in style, rather than just cutting him. (I am just assuming that he would have retired at the end of his contract.)


If you watched Henderson his last couple seasons, there was a marked decline in his blocking ability. The fullback has kind of a brutal job on many running plays, leading through the hole and clearing it out. In his prime Henderson was great, moving LBs and anyone else out of the way. Then somewhat abruptly, he no longer moved people, but at least held them up, a sort of stalemate. That is the beginning of the end for a fullback. His last season he was actually being forced back into the runner far too often. His career was done. He should have realized it and retired.

[Harlan Huckleby]

If you watched Henderson his last couple seasons, there was a marked decline in his blocking ability.

It seemed like Henderson was able to hang on to his job longer than most because of his personality. He was very enthusiastic and bright. I vaguely remember making an "Axe Hondo" thread, and being chased out of the forum by men carrying torches.

[sheepshead]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

I know you're probably getting a lot of grief for your rant but this line is not only funny as hell but true. Favre has to be happy as hell that he went from running for his life behind Daryn "the human turnstile" Colledge to lining up behind Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. The receivers are a definite downgrade but that O-line looks like a beast. He also has Thomas Jones to carry the rock. Add in the hard nosed defense the Jets have been known for and its really not a bad setup for an aging guy who needs a good supporting cast to succeed. He also has Hubba Bubba as a safety valve when things get a little dicey. Its gonna be interesting. People can hold a grudge all they want about the guy but its still gonna be fun to watch.

When was Brett running for his life? WTF?

[SMACKTALKIE]

"Post these numbers, adjusted, half way throught the season. Then they will be applicable."

I don't get it. What do you mean?

I mean use that equation with Favre as the Jet's QB half way through the season and see if/how the numbers change. I feel that the sack rate will be lower for the Jets with Favre as QB.

Plus there are some new additions to the Jets O line since last year.

[Freak Out]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

I know you're probably getting a lot of grief for your rant but this line is not only funny as hell but true. Favre has to be happy as hell that he went from running for his life behind Daryn "the human turnstile" Colledge to lining up behind Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. The receivers are a definite downgrade but that O-line looks like a beast. He also has Thomas Jones to carry the rock. Add in the hard nosed defense the Jets have been known for and its really not a bad setup for an aging guy who needs a good supporting cast to succeed. He also has Hubba Bubba as a safety valve when things get a little dicey. Its gonna be interesting. People can hold a grudge all they want about the guy but its still gonna be fun to watch.

When was Brett running for his life? WTF?

Not that long ago man.....but the line has gotten much better over the last couple of years.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Attempting to give a damn...

Unable to give a damn. Stopping.

Process failed. Damn not given.

[swede]

I vaguely remember making an "Axe Hondo" thread, and being chased out of the forum by men carrying torches.


http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z236/dsteenswede44/2273921763_f6b565d23c.jpg

Are these the guys?

[sheepshead]

"Post these numbers, adjusted, half way throught the season. Then they will be applicable."

I don't get it. What do you mean?

I mean use that equation with Favre as the Jet's QB half way through the season and see if/how the numbers change. I feel that the sack rate will be lower for the Jets with Favre as QB.

Plus there are some new additions to the Jets O line since last year.

scroll up to my post...name one.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Are these the guys?

no, they were uglier.

[sheepshead]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

I know you're probably getting a lot of grief for your rant but this line is not only funny as hell but true. Favre has to be happy as hell that he went from running for his life behind Daryn "the human turnstile" Colledge to lining up behind Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. The receivers are a definite downgrade but that O-line looks like a beast. He also has Thomas Jones to carry the rock. Add in the hard nosed defense the Jets have been known for and its really not a bad setup for an aging guy who needs a good supporting cast to succeed. He also has Hubba Bubba as a safety valve when things get a little dicey. Its gonna be interesting. People can hold a grudge all they want about the guy but its still gonna be fun to watch.

When was Brett running for his life? WTF?

Not that long ago man.....but the line has gotten much better over the last couple of years.


We had the #1 rated OL in pass protection in all of football in 2007. Colledge has been a starter for only 2006 and 2007. I am really having trouble even get in the same zip code of your assumption...man.



In fact , I just looked this up. We ranked as follows:

2007 #1
2006 #1
2005 #3
2004 #1

Must have been one of the NFL's most immobile qb's quick release. Not the guys in the trenches.

[SMACKTALKIE]

"Post these numbers, adjusted, half way throught the season. Then they will be applicable."

I don't get it. What do you mean?

I mean use that equation with Favre as the Jet's QB half way through the season and see if/how the numbers change. I feel that the sack rate will be lower for the Jets with Favre as QB.

Plus there are some new additions to the Jets O line since last year.

scroll up to my post...name one.

Damien Woody and Alan Faneca.

[sheepshead]

2008

74 Nick Mangold C 24 6-4 300 3 Ohio State 68 Will Montgomery C 25 6-3 312 3 Virginia Tech 66 Alan Faneca G 31 6-5 307 11 LSU 62 Matt McChesney G 26 6-4 307 2 Colorado 65 Brandon Moore G 28 6-3 295 6 Illinois 67 Damien Woody G 30 6-3 325 10 Boston College 72 Jacob Bender OL 23 6-6 315 2 Nicholls State 78 Wayne Hunter OL 27 6-5 303 5 Hawaii 76 Clint Oldenburg OL 24 6-5 300 1 Colorado State 60 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT 24 6-6 312 3 Virginia 71 Nate Garner OT 23 6-6 325 R Arkansas 75 Robert Turner OT 23 6-4 308 1 New Mexico

2007


63DeVan, Kyle C6-230602/10/1985ROregon State74Mangold, Nick C6-430001/13/19843Ohio State67Woody, Damien C6-333511/03/197710Boston College

75Turner, Robert G6-430808/20/19841New Mexico64Daniels, Stanley G6-432011/30/19841Washington68Montgomery, Will G6-331002/13/19833Virginia Tech65Moore, Brandon G6-329506/03/19806Illinois66Faneca, Alan G6-530712/07/197611LSU

62McChesney, Matt OL6-430711/06/19812Colorado
71Garner, Nate T6-731801/18/1985RArkansas72Bender, Jacob T6-631504/25/19852Nicholls State76Oldenburg, Clint T6-531009/09/19831Colorado State60Ferguson, D'Brickashaw T6-631212/10/19833Virginia78Hunter, Wayne T6-530307/02/19815Hawaii

[Patler]

2008

74 Nick Mangold C 24 6-4 300 3 Ohio State 68 Will Montgomery C 25 6-3 312 3 Virginia Tech 66 Alan Faneca G 31 6-5 307 11 LSU 62 Matt McChesney G 26 6-4 307 2 Colorado 65 Brandon Moore G 28 6-3 295 6 Illinois 67 Damien Woody G 30 6-3 325 10 Boston College 72 Jacob Bender OL 23 6-6 315 2 Nicholls State 78 Wayne Hunter OL 27 6-5 303 5 Hawaii 76 Clint Oldenburg OL 24 6-5 300 1 Colorado State 60 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT 24 6-6 312 3 Virginia 71 Nate Garner OT 23 6-6 325 R Arkansas 75 Robert Turner OT 23 6-4 308 1 New Mexico

2007


63DeVan, Kyle C6-230602/10/1985ROregon State74Mangold, Nick C6-430001/13/19843Ohio State67Woody, Damien C6-333511/03/197710Boston College

75Turner, Robert G6-430808/20/19841New Mexico64Daniels, Stanley G6-432011/30/19841Washington68Montgomery, Will G6-331002/13/19833Virginia Tech65Moore, Brandon G6-329506/03/19806Illinois66Faneca, Alan G6-530712/07/197611LSU

62McChesney, Matt OL6-430711/06/19812Colorado
71Garner, Nate T6-731801/18/1985RArkansas72Bender, Jacob T6-631504/25/19852Nicholls State76Oldenburg, Clint T6-531009/09/19831Colorado State60Ferguson, D'Brickashaw T6-631212/10/19833Virginia78Hunter, Wayne T6-530307/02/19815Hawaii

I'm confused by what you posted. Are you suggesting that Faneca and Woody were with the Jets in 2007? I believe they were with the Steelers and Lions, respectively, in 2007, weren't they? NFL.com indicates they were.

[SMACKTALKIE]

2008

74 Nick Mangold C 24 6-4 300 3 Ohio State 68 Will Montgomery C 25 6-3 312 3 Virginia Tech 66 Alan Faneca G 31 6-5 307 11 LSU 62 Matt McChesney G 26 6-4 307 2 Colorado 65 Brandon Moore G 28 6-3 295 6 Illinois 67 Damien Woody G 30 6-3 325 10 Boston College 72 Jacob Bender OL 23 6-6 315 2 Nicholls State 78 Wayne Hunter OL 27 6-5 303 5 Hawaii 76 Clint Oldenburg OL 24 6-5 300 1 Colorado State 60 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT 24 6-6 312 3 Virginia 71 Nate Garner OT 23 6-6 325 R Arkansas 75 Robert Turner OT 23 6-4 308 1 New Mexico

2007


63DeVan, Kyle C6-230602/10/1985ROregon State74Mangold, Nick C6-430001/13/19843Ohio State67Woody, Damien C6-333511/03/197710Boston College

75Turner, Robert G6-430808/20/19841New Mexico64Daniels, Stanley G6-432011/30/19841Washington68Montgomery, Will G6-331002/13/19833Virginia Tech65Moore, Brandon G6-329506/03/19806Illinois66Faneca, Alan G6-530712/07/197611LSU

62McChesney, Matt OL6-430711/06/19812Colorado
71Garner, Nate T6-731801/18/1985RArkansas72Bender, Jacob T6-631504/25/19852Nicholls State76Oldenburg, Clint T6-531009/09/19831Colorado State60Ferguson, D'Brickashaw T6-631212/10/19833Virginia78Hunter, Wayne T6-530307/02/19815Hawaii

I'm confused by what you posted. Are you suggesting that Faneca and Woody were with the Jets in 2007? I believe they were with the Steelers and Lions, respectively, in 2007, weren't they? NFL.com indicates they were.

Yes Palter, they were both free agent additions to the Jets this year. While Woody has been suspect due to injury over the past 2 or 3 years, Faneca is a solid player who should help especially in the run game.

[PackerBlues]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

I know you're probably getting a lot of grief for your rant but this line is not only funny as hell but true. Favre has to be happy as hell that he went from running for his life behind Daryn "the human turnstile" Colledge to lining up behind Alan Faneca and Damien Woody. The receivers are a definite downgrade but that O-line looks like a beast. He also has Thomas Jones to carry the rock. Add in the hard nosed defense the Jets have been known for and its really not a bad setup for an aging guy who needs a good supporting cast to succeed. He also has Hubba Bubba as a safety valve when things get a little dicey. Its gonna be interesting. People can hold a grudge all they want about the guy but its still gonna be fun to watch.

I'm used to it by now. Besides, there only seems to be about 5 or 6 guys in here who go around bashing any poster they dislike or disagree with. I'm sure that it makes them feel better to think that they share/have the opinion of the majority. :roll:


Daryn "the human turnstile" Colledge
I love it, lol and totally agree. I do not see how anyone can say that the national media or anyone has given Favre a "free pass" on anything. Seems to me, that they are always pointing out his "few bad years before last", without mentioning that Thompson put complete shit (not counting Tauscher and Clifton) in front of him for those bad years. If anything, and I have said this many times in the past, it was to Favres credit that he was actually able to get rid of the ball so quickly, as he made that O-line look a hell of a lot better than it was.

As far as Favres new recievers being a downgrade, I see what your saying, but Favre has always been able to get by with what he was given. I also liked the looks of the young guy I saw in highlights of their preseason game, (Clowney?) I heard somewhere that he was a 5th round pick of the Packers, kind of interesting.

[Patler]

Yes Palter, they were both free agent additions to the Jets this year. While Woody has been suspect due to injury over the past 2 or 3 years, Faneca is a solid player who should help especially in the run game.

Do you understand what sheepshead was getting at with his post? I must be missing something.

[SMACKTALKIE]

Yes Palter, they were both free agent additions to the Jets this year. While Woody has been suspect due to injury over the past 2 or 3 years, Faneca is a solid player who should help especially in the run game.

Do you understand what sheepshead was getting at with his post? I must be missing something.

I'm with you on this one Palter. Sheep's post made me think I had just put myself through a one year time warp...............again. :)

[sheepshead]

Oh shit, my bad. It seemed like those guys were free agents a long time ago. Ok, so theyve spent some dough on OL. That should certainly improve the numbers. Also, I can see where maybe Favre's release adds to his protection. Rodgers is more mobile so that should not be a dramatic downturn if at all from the best pass protecting OL 3 of the last 4 years.

[Zool]

[quote="PackerBlues"]I'm used to it by now. Besides, there only seems to be about 5 or 6 guys in here who go around bashing any poster they dislike or disagree with. I'm sure that it makes them feel better to think that they share/have the opinion of the majority. :roll:


Guilty, I just dont like you. I really dont like people who post for reaction and you've been making the same post since you got here, just worded slightly different. If you cant say something new, stop saying anything at all?

I disagree with quite a few people at this site, but you're really the only one so persistantly stupid that you have to be Tank reincarnated. You dont want to debate, you dont want to discuss. You want people to react to your over the top posting.

You get what you ask for so dont try to play martyr.

[sheepshead]

:glug:

[sharpe1027]

Guilty, I just dont like you. I really dont like people who post for reaction and you've been making the same post since you got here, just worded slightly different. If you cant say something new, stop saying anything at all?

I disagree with quite a few people at this site, but you're really the only one so persistantly stupid that you have to be Tank reincarnated. You dont want to debate, you dont want to discuss. You want people to react to your over the top posting.

You get what you ask for so dont try to play martyr.

Well said. Though I doubt it makes any difference.

[pbmax]

Thompson builds a 13-3 team and Favre retires. Jets go 4-12 and put the reanimated corpse of Damien Woody at Right Tackle.

I see your point. Clearly the Jets GM Tannenbaum is outperforming Thompson.


Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

From day one with Thompson, it has always been about the future. Don't worry Packer Fans, because in the future......... :roll:

[SkinBasket]

First of all, I would like to thank you for keeping your response respectfull, and also thank anyone else who has posted to this thread with any kind of dignity or respect. Lately, if I post something, I like to let the thread go by itself for a while, to let all the smart/dumb-asses get in their attempts to be witty. If the thread dies before I get back to it, so be it. I just like to express my opinions in the hopes of hearing from others that share my views.

People treat you like they do because you're an ass triscuit. You have no respect for anything or anyone and yet expect everyone else to respect your idiotic, mentally stunted views. Beyond that, you never have any truthful basis behind your posts. When someone takes the time to disprove one of your fucking retarded posts, you don't reply, you slink away for a couple days then come back and post the same stupid vomit. Fuck yourself in the eye socket and die. Is that respectful enough for you little pud licker?

[Sparkey]

Oh shit, my bad. It seemed like those guys were free agents a long time ago. Ok, so theyve spent some dough on OL. That should certainly improve the numbers. Also, I can see where maybe Favre's release adds to his protection. Rodgers is more mobile so that should not be a dramatic downturn if at all from the best pass protecting OL 3 of the last 4 years.

Part of the "quick release" thing is related to knowing where all your receivers are at all times. Somehow, I do not think that he will have that luxury this year.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hey PB -- Fuck You, you'll get a respectful response when you write a respectful post. Read that hunk of trash again and explain why anyone shouldn't go off on you. Profanity, totally wrong information and very little thought, but somehow with some self imposed authority.

Typical garbage found in an open forum.

Classy as always. :roll:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The Jets have made some changes to their O-line this year, from what I understand, every guy on the line was a former 1st round pick. While I understand that being a first round pick does not mean shit (Justin Harrell anyone?), the Jets have shown that they are very enthusiastic about protecting their QB. Unlike Thompsons cheap ass, they even used free agency. :worship: :satan:

(by the way JH, take a look at what that "Favre-Hater" Rod Woodson has on his chin. Looks like a nut-warmer. You should think about getting one for you and ted. :twisted: )



2008

74 Nick Mangold C 24 6-4 300 3 Ohio State 68 Will Montgomery C 25 6-3 312 3 Virginia Tech 66 Alan Faneca G 31 6-5 307 11 LSU 62 Matt McChesney G 26 6-4 307 2 Colorado 65 Brandon Moore G 28 6-3 295 6 Illinois 67 Damien Woody G 30 6-3 325 10 Boston College 72 Jacob Bender OL 23 6-6 315 2 Nicholls State 78 Wayne Hunter OL 27 6-5 303 5 Hawaii 76 Clint Oldenburg OL 24 6-5 300 1 Colorado State 60 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT 24 6-6 312 3 Virginia 71 Nate Garner OT 23 6-6 325 R Arkansas 75 Robert Turner OT 23 6-4 308 1 New Mexico

2007


63DeVan, Kyle C6-230602/10/1985ROregon State74Mangold, Nick C6-430001/13/19843Ohio State67Woody, Damien C6-333511/03/197710Boston College

75Turner, Robert G6-430808/20/19841New Mexico64Daniels, Stanley G6-432011/30/19841Washington68Montgomery, Will G6-331002/13/19833Virginia Tech65Moore, Brandon G6-329506/03/19806Illinois66Faneca, Alan G6-530712/07/197611LSU

62McChesney, Matt OL6-430711/06/19812Colorado
71Garner, Nate T6-731801/18/1985RArkansas72Bender, Jacob T6-631504/25/19852Nicholls State76Oldenburg, Clint T6-531009/09/19831Colorado State60Ferguson, D'Brickashaw T6-631212/10/19833Virginia78Hunter, Wayne T6-530307/02/19815Hawaii


Maybe they dont have those guys in camp yet?? hmmmm

You shouldn't post if you don't know the facts...the jets added Faneca and Damien Woody.

Their line isn't even close to last years.

[sheepshead]

already sucked it up on this one. Find somebody else to annoy please.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

already sucked it up on this one. Find somebody else to annoy please.

Why? You are such an easy target.

Perhaps you mite learn a lesson here...that you often go off half cocked without complete knowledge and act like you do...and act like an asshole.

Then, you come back and meekly say sorry.

Mite wanna reverse that..try meekly till you know what you are talking about.

[sheepshead]

already sucked it up on this one. Find somebody else to annoy please.

Why? You are such an easy target.

Perhaps you mite learn a lesson here...that you often go off half cocked without complete knowledge and act like you do...and act like an asshole.

Then, you come back and meekly say sorry.

Mite wanna reverse that..try meekly till you know what you are talking about.

fuck you and your lecture you irritating weasel. Get a fucking life already.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

already sucked it up on this one. Find somebody else to annoy please.

Why? You are such an easy target.

Perhaps you mite learn a lesson here...that you often go off half cocked without complete knowledge and act like you do...and act like an asshole.

Then, you come back and meekly say sorry.

Mite wanna reverse that..try meekly till you know what you are talking about.

fuck you and your lecture you irritating weasel. Get a fucking life already.

Eloquent and thoughtful like most of your posts. :oops:

I have a life...it is helping morons like you improve yourself. Some say i'm a dreamer, that you can't be helped...but, i say we can't give up on you.

[BZnDallas]

Henderson was a workout warrior, who counted every calorie, and every carb.

So does Richard Simmons. You want him playing fullback?

The future, future, future stuff is nonsense. The future became the present last year when Thompson's misguided plan took them to the NFC Championship Game.

I'm a PONY! I'm a PONY!!!

:beat:

[Zool]

First of all, I would like to thank you for keeping your response respectfull, and also thank anyone else who has posted to this thread with any kind of dignity or respect. Lately, if I post something, I like to let the thread go by itself for a while, to let all the smart/dumb-asses get in their attempts to be witty. If the thread dies before I get back to it, so be it. I just like to express my opinions in the hopes of hearing from others that share my views.

People treat you like they do because you're an ass triscuit. You have no respect for anything or anyone and yet expect everyone else to respect your idiotic, mentally stunted views. Beyond that, you never have any truthful basis behind your posts. When someone takes the time to disprove one of your fucking retarded posts, you don't reply, you slink away for a couple days then come back and post the same stupid vomit. Fuck yourself in the eye socket and die. Is that respectful enough for you little pud licker?

Am I to assume that he is not the new low-fat triscuit?

[PackerBlues]

[quote=PackerBlues]I'm used to it by now. Besides, there only seems to be about 5 or 6 guys in here who go around bashing any poster they dislike or disagree with. I'm sure that it makes them feel better to think that they share/have the opinion of the majority. :roll:


Guilty, I just dont like you. I really dont like people who post for reaction and you've been making the same post since you got here, just worded slightly different. If you cant say something new, stop saying anything at all?

I disagree with quite a few people at this site, but you're really the only one so persistantly stupid that you have to be Tank reincarnated. You dont want to debate, you dont want to discuss. You want people to react to your over the top posting.

You get what you ask for so dont try to play martyr.

Well, at least I have an opinion. Unlike assclowns like you and skinflute! You fucking cunts spend all your time in these forums cutting down everyone elses posts/opinions. How fucking pathetic are you? This is a forum bitch. If I want to share my views or opinions, I am entitled. So don't fucking tell me what to post or what not to post. If you don't like what I post, go fuck yourself..........or that other little cunt Skinflute, seems like the two of you spend a lot of time sucking each others dicks anyway.

If you dont like me, thats fine, I think that your a fucking cunt yourself. Here's a question for ya jerk-off...........What exactly do you "Moderate" around here? Fucking Loser! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[SkinBasket]

Well, at least I have an opinion. Unlike assclowns like you and skinflute! You fucking cunts spend all your time in these forums cutting down everyone elses posts/opinions. How fucking pathetic are you? This is a forum bitch. If I want to share my views or opinions, I am entitled. So don't fucking tell me what to post or what not to post. If you don't like what I post, go fuck yourself..........or that other little cunt Skinflute, seems like the two of you spend a lot of time sucking each others dicks anyway.

If you dont like me, thats fine, I think that your a fucking cunt yourself. Here's a question for ya jerk-off...........What exactly do you "Moderate" around here? Fucking Loser! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

We aren't telling you not to post. We're just telling you you're a silly asshole. A view that's strongly reinforced by your most recent post. Now suck it up and stop acting like a little girl.

[CaliforniaCheez]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

From day one with Thompson, it has always been about the future. Don't worry Packer Fans, because in the future......... :roll:


Face it, Thompson came into GB with an agenda, and I must admit, that he has done a good job doing what it is that he has come here to do. The team is young, the salary cap is in great shape. The older players are all gone. I doubt that you will ever see anyone retire in GB.......Thompson is not afraid to let any player go, no matter what their history has been with the team.

When I used to root for the Packers, when I cheered them on, I wasn't just cheering on the team, but also for the character of the players, and how hard they struggled to become the best that they could be. I cheered the Packers because of the pride that I felt, just in being a fan of such a great team.

Now, it is apparent that it's all business in GB. Any player can be cut or traded at any time. I was shocked when Henderson was cut with one year left on his contract. I thought that Henderson of all players would have deserved a retirement ceremony at the end of his contract. He had served the Packers proudly. Nevermind his age, he was in great shape when Thompson cut him. Henderson was a workout warrior, who counted every calorie, and every carb. Yet, as with Brett Favre, Henderson was sent Packing by Thompson, who claimed that he wished that someone else could sign the trade papers for Favre. I don't buy it for a second, and will always believe that getting rid of Brett Favre was always part of Thompsons agenda from the start.

I love the Packers, but it's hard to get excited about rooting for a business instead of a team.

It is more than Favre, Henderson, Na'il Diggs, Wahle, and Sharper.

I can be a bit cold and heartless on an internet message board but telling a guy like William Henderson or Brett Favre face to face that they aren't wanted is very cold. Sure the assistant coaches really have to do it but as a GM I would feel badly about it.

Telling lies to the press about players I couldn't live with myself.

This treatment of Brett Favre has shaken my fanhood a great deal. Not since the 1982 strike have I felt as apathetic about the upcoming NFL season.

I disliked Ted when he gave Sherman a contract extension and then fired the whole coaching staff and dismantled the team. His draft picks and rebuilding the team made me hopeful. Now I just don't know.

Hopefully I will have hope and enjoy the MNF game. If it goes badly my lifetime fandom of the Packers could take a serious hit. There might be other things I do on Sunday afternoons. Do I really want to spend that much money watching the Packers on television?

I haven't been to Green Bay in a few years and no one will really notice if some guy in California stops logging in to various websites. Will the Packer fans at the sportsbar care?

I hate what this has done to me.

[Fritz]

Wow, I am impressed!!! From the time that Thompson came to GB and started to "not rebuild", it only took him four years to put a qualified O-line in front of Brett Favre............in fucking New York. :roll:

From day one with Thompson, it has always been about the future. Don't worry Packer Fans, because in the future......... :roll:


Face it, Thompson came into GB with an agenda, and I must admit, that he has done a good job doing what it is that he has come here to do. The team is young, the salary cap is in great shape. The older players are all gone. I doubt that you will ever see anyone retire in GB.......Thompson is not afraid to let any player go, no matter what their history has been with the team.

When I used to root for the Packers, when I cheered them on, I wasn't just cheering on the team, but also for the character of the players, and how hard they struggled to become the best that they could be. I cheered the Packers because of the pride that I felt, just in being a fan of such a great team.

Now, it is apparent that it's all business in GB. Any player can be cut or traded at any time. I was shocked when Henderson was cut with one year left on his contract. I thought that Henderson of all players would have deserved a retirement ceremony at the end of his contract. He had served the Packers proudly. Nevermind his age, he was in great shape when Thompson cut him. Henderson was a workout warrior, who counted every calorie, and every carb. Yet, as with Brett Favre, Henderson was sent Packing by Thompson, who claimed that he wished that someone else could sign the trade papers for Favre. I don't buy it for a second, and will always believe that getting rid of Brett Favre was always part of Thompsons agenda from the start.

I love the Packers, but it's hard to get excited about rooting for a business instead of a team.

Yeah, dude, I miss the good ol' days, too. 'Member when Mike Holmgrean cut Sterling Sharpe suddenly? Or when we used to cheer on Mossy Cade? Or when they traded Tobin Rote to Detroit? Or when they axed Gilbert Brown? How about when they traded James Lofton? Remember that?

Dang. I miss those days. It's so different now. Sigh.

[Zool]

Well, at least I have an opinion. Unlike assclowns like you and skinflute! You fucking cunts spend all your time in these forums cutting down everyone elses posts/opinions. How fucking pathetic are you? This is a forum bitch. If I want to share my views or opinions, I am entitled. So don't fucking tell me what to post or what not to post. If you don't like what I post, go fuck yourself..........or that other little cunt Skinflute, seems like the two of you spend a lot of time sucking each others dicks anyway.

If you dont like me, thats fine, I think that your a fucking cunt yourself. Here's a question for ya jerk-off...........What exactly do you "Moderate" around here? Fucking Loser! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Nope just you actually. And its true you can say what you want, but guess what shit stabber, I can too. Its just that your opinions amount to a pile of worm piss and as I've stated, you've got the brain to body fat quotient a plastic surgeons liposuction trash can.

Fucktards like you is who I moderate. Luckily most people here are normal upstanding humans. You on the other hand are like a Tennessee Ernie Ford record skipping for eternity. Keep trying though.

[Fritz]

Hey, I liked Tennessee Ernie Ford. Made great sausage commercials back in the day.

As for the Jets' o-line being better...Damien Woody was overweight and undermotivated the whole time he was in Detroit, until the last half of the last year, when he realized he was playing for a contract. Then he suddenly became interested. I believe this is why New England let him go in the first place.

Now he's got a big, new contract. I wonder how he'll play?

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hey, I liked Tennessee Ernie Ford. Made great sausage commercials back in the day.

As for the Jets' o-line being better...Damien Woody was overweight and undermotivated the whole time he was in Detroit, until the last half of the last year, when he realized he was playing for a contract. Then he suddenly became interested. I believe this is why New England let him go in the first place.

Now he's got a big, new contract. I wonder how he'll play?'

Overweight? How can you tell...he is a lineman. When he was injured he did balloon up..but, he lost that weight by going to the duke program..hardly someone who is unmotivated..and playing at 335.

Undermotivated? again, how can you tell. I say the opposite..he lost his starting position at guard, was inactive for a couple of games and worked his way into the starting lineup at RT. That hardly sounds like someone is unmotivated.

The facts are this..he started for two Superbowl winning teams. He started 76 games with the Pats and was considered the anchor of the line.

He was a pro bowler in 02 and alternate in 04. He started every game 04 and 05 before and injury sidelined him in 06.

He is versatile and has played every position on the line cept for LT.

At worst he is an above average lineman.

[retailguy]

It is more than Favre, Henderson, Na'il Diggs, Wahle, and Sharper.

I can be a bit cold and heartless on an internet message board but telling a guy like William Henderson or Brett Favre face to face that they aren't wanted is very cold. Sure the assistant coaches really have to do it but as a GM I would feel badly about it.

Telling lies to the press about players I couldn't live with myself.

This treatment of Brett Favre has shaken my fanhood a great deal. Not since the 1982 strike have I felt as apathetic about the upcoming NFL season.

I disliked Ted when he gave Sherman a contract extension and then fired the whole coaching staff and dismantled the team. His draft picks and rebuilding the team made me hopeful. Now I just don't know.

Hopefully I will have hope and enjoy the MNF game. If it goes badly my lifetime fandom of the Packers could take a serious hit. There might be other things I do on Sunday afternoons. Do I really want to spend that much money watching the Packers on television?

I haven't been to Green Bay in a few years and no one will really notice if some guy in California stops logging in to various websites. Will the Packer fans at the sportsbar care?

I hate what this has done to me.


I am there with you Cheez. I understand why Thompson got rid of Favre, he had worn us all out with the "will he won't he" crap, and barring a multi year commitment this was understandable.

However, I also think it did validate that there is more to Ted Thompson than meets the eye. There are some things going on that I have never approved of... Some would say, "if that's the price of winning", and I would disagree.

Time will tell who Ted is, and I'll be watching. If it happens as I expect it will, I'll be getting my popcorn and watching who will mea-culpa and who won't.

In the meantime, I'll watch the Packers and hope the team I love continues as it has the past 16 years. But, this year, I think I'll also watch the J-E-T-S. If they get to the Super Bowl against my beloved Packers then I'll really enjoy the game, if they don't maybe I'll get to see that "Favre magic" a couple more times before it's gone forever.

[pbmax]

You are just going to keep us on the edge of the couch? Cough up the speculation RG, don't hold it in.

McGinn has already stated that the Football Braintrust decided Favre was not going to win another championship and it was time, with two years left, to give AROG a test drive.

What is your theory?

And for the Life of Brian, why was it skullduggery or shameful for Thompson to give Sherman an extension rather than let him coach as a lame duck? T2 removed the lame duck specualtion and then made a decision. And M2 got paid well. How was this at all questionable?


I am there with you Cheez. I understand why Thompson got rid of Favre, he had worn us all out with the "will he won't he" crap, and barring a multi year commitment this was understandable.

However, I also think it did validate that there is more to Ted Thompson than meets the eye. There are some things going on that I have never approved of... Some would say, "if that's the price of winning", and I would disagree.

Time will tell who Ted is, and I'll be watching. If it happens as I expect it will, I'll be getting my popcorn and watching who will mea-culpa and who won't.

In the meantime, I'll watch the Packers and hope the team I love continues as it has the past 16 years. But, this year, I think I'll also watch the J-E-T-S. If they get to the Super Bowl against my beloved Packers then I'll really enjoy the game, if they don't maybe I'll get to see that "Favre magic" a couple more times before it's gone forever.

[pbmax]

Same question to you Cheese.

And for the Life of Brian, why was it skullduggery or shameful for Thompson to give Sherman an extension rather than let him coach as a lame duck? T2 removed the lame duck specualtion and then made a decision on more than a year of observation. And M2 got paid well. How was this at all questionable?

And what lies, exactly, did Thompson tell the public about Favre?


... Telling lies to the press about players I couldn't live with myself.

This treatment of Brett Favre has shaken my fanhood a great deal. Not since the 1982 strike have I felt as apathetic about the upcoming NFL season.

I disliked Ted when he gave Sherman a contract extension and then fired the whole coaching staff and dismantled the team. His draft picks and rebuilding the team made me hopeful. Now I just don't know...

I hate what this has done to me.

[Fritz]

Hey, I liked Tennessee Ernie Ford. Made great sausage commercials back in the day.

As for the Jets' o-line being better...Damien Woody was overweight and undermotivated the whole time he was in Detroit, until the last half of the last year, when he realized he was playing for a contract. Then he suddenly became interested. I believe this is why New England let him go in the first place.

Now he's got a big, new contract. I wonder how he'll play?'

Overweight? How can you tell...he is a lineman. When he was injured he did balloon up..but, he lost that weight by going to the duke program..hardly someone who is unmotivated..and playing at 335.

Undermotivated? again, how can you tell. I say the opposite..he lost his starting position at guard, was inactive for a couple of games and worked his way into the starting lineup at RT. That hardly sounds like someone is unmotivated.

The facts are this..he started for two Superbowl winning teams. He started 76 games with the Pats and was considered the anchor of the line.

He was a pro bowler in 02 and alternate in 04. He started every game 04 and 05 before and injury sidelined him in 06.

He is versatile and has played every position on the line cept for LT.

At worst he is an above average lineman.

We just don't agree here, Tyrone. Woody came to Detroit and proceeded to play and gain weight. He did not play well the year before last, and last year he got played so poorly he was benched - benched for the Detroit Lions? That's pretty bad. Yes, he worked his way back in, but my point it that this only seems to happen when Woody has a contract coming up. And since that's not the case now, having been rewarded, I see him once more settling into the familiar pattern.

I don't think he's all that. But I still love you and respect you, you crazy crackhead.

[retailguy]

You are just going to keep us on the edge of the couch? Cough up the speculation RG, don't hold it in.

McGinn has already stated that the Football Braintrust decided Favre was not going to win another championship and it was time, with two years left, to give AROG a test drive.

What is your theory?

And for the Life of Brian, why was it skullduggery or shameful for Thompson to give Sherman an extension rather than let him coach as a lame duck? T2 removed the lame duck specualtion and then made a decision. And M2 got paid well. How was this at all questionable?



PB - I'm already on the record for saying where there is smoke, there is fire. Favre was an idiot in the way he handled this situation. He's clearly established himself as a DIVA, however, those things don't make the things he said against Thompson untrue. Those things could have happened, just the way Brett says they did.

You can claim, with some reasonableness that Favre shouldn't have "butted in" to the GM side of the business, but you can also make a claim that Thompson should have just had the balls to say "butt out", but he didn't either.

We don't know what happened. We don't know the full story. I think there is more here than meets the eye. I interpret that to mean that Ted Thompson is not who he makes himself out to be.

As to Sherman, who cares if he coached as a lame duck? Others have, and will continue to do so. Thompson thought it best to not do that, then he decided he couldn't work with Sherman. It happens, but it doesn't prove what you imply. He wasn't doing Sherman any favors, nor was he endorsing him and his experience.

I'm not sure how this point, which you've repeated twice backs up anything you appear to be claiming.

I don't like Ted Thompson, never have, probably never will. But, I have acknowledged on numerous occasions that results matter. I even wrote an entire mea culpa about it. Ted gets credit for 13-3, and he'll also get some of the blame if he can't maintain similar results, and can't win a superbowl. In the end, this killed Sherman, and it should kill Thompson as well if he fails. Fair is fair, right?

In the end, I'm confident that who Ted really is will be displayed for all to see. I'm unconvinced that most of us will like it, when it is revealed, in the end.

As I said, time will tell.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Hey, I liked Tennessee Ernie Ford. Made great sausage commercials back in the day.

As for the Jets' o-line being better...Damien Woody was overweight and undermotivated the whole time he was in Detroit, until the last half of the last year, when he realized he was playing for a contract. Then he suddenly became interested. I believe this is why New England let him go in the first place.

Now he's got a big, new contract. I wonder how he'll play?'

Overweight? How can you tell...he is a lineman. When he was injured he did balloon up..but, he lost that weight by going to the duke program..hardly someone who is unmotivated..and playing at 335.

Undermotivated? again, how can you tell. I say the opposite..he lost his starting position at guard, was inactive for a couple of games and worked his way into the starting lineup at RT. That hardly sounds like someone is unmotivated.

The facts are this..he started for two Superbowl winning teams. He started 76 games with the Pats and was considered the anchor of the line.

He was a pro bowler in 02 and alternate in 04. He started every game 04 and 05 before and injury sidelined him in 06.

He is versatile and has played every position on the line cept for LT.

At worst he is an above average lineman.

We just don't agree here, Tyrone. Woody came to Detroit and proceeded to play and gain weight. He did not play well the year before last, and last year he got played so poorly he was benched - benched for the Detroit Lions? That's pretty bad. Yes, he worked his way back in, but my point it that this only seems to happen when Woody has a contract coming up. And since that's not the case now, having been rewarded, I see him once more settling into the familiar pattern.

I don't think he's all that. But I still love you and respect you, you crazy crackhead.

That isn't accurate..unless you can show some proof. He came and started for two years. That is 04 and 05. 06 he was out the whole year. Your time line isn't right.

What happened next is that they got a new coach...a tough guy..and woody went out with a foot injury. Now, he did gain weight..but, it is a fact that he went to the duke weight center and lost 40 pounds.

The big issue in detroit was of course could marinelli trust him...did he lose the weight so as to get his 4.5 salary or was he really committed.

Benched: No doubt...but, so what. He was coming back from an injury. You never saw any stories about him sulking, whining, demanding to be traded...he changed positions and got back in the lineup.

Remember, different coaches value diff types of lineman. If marinelli came to us...i guarantee many of our lineman would be benched, traded or cut.

Contract: He was great in NE. 76 games is quite a number for a lineman.

Love: Right back at you.

[Patler]

We don't know what happened. We don't know the full story. I think there is more here than meets the eye. I interpret that to mean that Ted Thompson is not who he makes himself out to be.

As to Sherman, who cares if he coached as a lame duck? Others have, and will continue to do so. Thompson thought it best to not do that, then he decided he couldn't work with Sherman. It happens, but it doesn't prove what you imply. He wasn't doing Sherman any favors, nor was he endorsing him and his experience.
...

In the end, I'm confident that who Ted really is will be displayed for all to see. I'm unconvinced that most of us will like it, when it is revealed, in the end.

To be honest, we also don't know who Favre really is either. We see only part of what he is. Over the last few years there have been indications, suggestions, insinuations that there is another aspect of him that has been camouflaged by the dominating persona displayed on the field and promoted by the media. Bill Michaels (WTMJ) said last week that the Brett Favre ass-kissing by almost everyone in the organization down to clubouse personnel had reached extraordinary levels. It might not even be that Favre demanded it, it just may be something that built over time. I suspect the trade will end a lot of that for him, if it did in fact exist. But it is hard to deny that he seemed to expect certain freedoms or deference that others don't have, and that he criticized others for wanting.

You may be right about TT, I don't know. But I have seen nothing from so called insiders that he is difficult, overbearing or anything other than a good guy to work with. After three years there were lots of indications that Sherman was anything but that as a GM. TT seems to be well-liked by those he works for and those who work for him. I suspect he is demanding, most top executives are. He clearly has a vision or plan that some will agree with and others will not. I'm sure he will follow his plan, not someone elses.

If reports are to be believed it seems to be that Sherman had more of a problem working for TT than TT had with Sherman. A demotion rarely works well in any organization and usually results in a departure. The contract extension seemed to be a gesture from TT that he was willing to try to make it work. It has been reported that Sherman just could accept a diminished role in the organization.

I don't really think there is anything sinister about TT, Murphy, Sherman, McCarthy or Favre. When leadership changes, some get on board with the change, some do not. Some work well with the new leadership, some do not. It always takes a few years to put all the combinations together. Hopefully they get there and can keep it together for a long time.

[pbmax]

RG, I would just point out two things:

One, Thompson could have told Favre to butt out. Or he could have gone with the more polite, "I'll think about it" or "We'll kick that around". If you have a boss and you make a suggestion that is outside your expertise, then reasonable people would know those answers mean, thanks, but stop wasting my time. It need not be sinister that Favre left with one impression and Thompson another. I agree that the responsibility rests with Thompson to make sure he is understood. But it serves him poorly if he outright lies to the QB about a friend of his. Thompson may have faults, but I feel its unlikely he's flat out dumb.

Two, many coaches have suffered in lame duck years. Clearly, lame duck coaches are likely those coaches who have already had mixed performances (hence no extension). But the speculation surrounding the contract and the future is simply a distraction. Removing that speculation was expensive but it improved the working environment for Sherman.

Most coaches do not thrive as Tom Coughlin did under these circumstances. Even Bill Cowher's Steeler team struggled. And it was clear that Coughlin made a major adjustment to reach his team. Sherman seemed unwilling to make a similar adjustment for a new boss.

[retailguy]

RG, I would just point out two things:

One, Thompson could have told Favre to butt out. Or he could have gone with the more polite, "I'll think about it" or "We'll kick that around". If you have a boss and you make a suggestion that is outside your expertise, then reasonable people would know those answers mean, thanks, but stop wasting my time. It need not be sinister that Favre left with one impression and Thompson another. I agree that the responsibility rests with Thompson to make sure he is understood. But it serves him poorly if he outright lies to the QB about a friend of his. Thompson may have faults, but I feel its unlikely he's flat out dumb.

Two, many coaches have suffered in lame duck years. Clearly, lame duck coaches are likely those coaches who have already had mixed performances (hence no extension). But the speculation surrounding the contract and the future is simply a distraction. Removing that speculation was expensive but it improved the working environment for Sherman.

Most coaches do not thrive as Tom Coughlin did under these circumstances. Even Bill Cowher's Steeler team struggled. And it was clear that Coughlin made a major adjustment to reach his team. Sherman seemed unwilling to make a similar adjustment for a new boss.

Well, I'm unsure that Brett would have reacted to "I'll think about it" the way he did. That's my point. There are other incidents that have occurred over the course of the time Ted has been here that make me think there is a pattern. Maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist, as I said, time will tell.

Yes, others don't thrive as a "lame duck", but again, what does that prove? Perhaps, he was trying to make things easier for Sherman, but we'll never really know that, will we? In fact, we'll never know much of anything because he'll never answer those questions. And we don't even know WHY that is.

There are others who have complained about Ted as well, and they've to this point also been labeled malcontents too, but eventually those things start to wane, eventually those criticisms of Sherman stuck too.

My personal opinion is that Ted is so committed to winning "his way" he won't even acknowledge there are other ways to win in the NFL. If he's successful, great, but if he isn't, then won't we be left wondering what "might have been", and then being more willing to listen to the criticisms?

As I said, time will tell. To boil it down to one sentence, I see things that cause me to question Ted's ethics. People with questionable ethics can be great GM's, and we'll see if he makes it. Right now, today, he's assembled a lot of talent and we'll see if he & McCarthy can mold that talent behind someone other than Favre.

[PackerBlues]

What you are saying makes sense retailguy, and even though my posts are a bit over dramatic, or one sided.........there is no denying that Thompson is building a strong team. It is not full of Pro-bowlers or anything, but it looks like it can be a very good Packer team. Almost a team of "Kampmans", which can be a good thing with any luck.

As for what I think of Thompson as a person..........

If you were hired to fix a team that was chock-full of veteran talent, and headed towards salary cap hell................how would you do it?

1)cut or let go as many high salary players as you can? (Wahle, Flannigan, Rivera, Longwell, Sharper................)

2)Stop signing other teams free agents, and try to improve through the draft.

3)hold on to your "Big Name" franchise players until you think you have all the other pieces in place.........just to keep the fans happy.

Sounds a lot like "REBUILDING" to me, and thats fine, if you are a fan of the team and you do not mind waiting a few years for your team to be competitive again.

But, if you happen to be a HOF QB, who signed a lifetime contract with that same team during a time that the team was commited to "WINNING NOW".....................

How does that sit? Especially when the GM keeps saying "we are not rebuilding." If that same GM will lie about that to placate the fans and his HOF QB, do you think it is also possible then that he might lead his HOF QB on a little more, by entertaining discussions with him about who the new head coach should be? About picking up a FA such as Moss? Why not? Having Favre's face around during the rebuiliding phase kept money coming in, and kept seats filled.

It all made sense from a business stand point, but I don't root for business's, I root for the Packers, and the players.

[mraynrand]

I wouldn't have said 'we're rebuilding' either. One down year, one average year, and then in the third year a shot to win it all. Rebuilding is cliche and no longer has the same meaning it used to. Rebuilding now can happen overnight. Some teams rely on a mix of draft and FA like NE, and TT wants mostly draft, so he's gonna take longer. Plus, who cares about Favre's lifetime contract? - it doesn't guarantee a championship - and neither does a so-called 'win now' strategy. Just ask Shermy. Favre could have easily said on March 6th "I feel great about this team. We just keep getting better. I'm committed to getting better this offseason and steamrolling the NFL next year." The 2007 Packers were a lot like the 1995 version and the 2008 version could have been like the '96 version with Favre fully engaged and on board (with Rodgers, who knows?). Thompson didn't undercut Favre.

[DonHutson]

But, if you happen to be a HOF QB, who signed a lifetime contract with that same team during a time that the team was commited to "WINNING NOW".....................


Favre got his shot at the Super Bowl last year anyway. Maybe he didn't like the methods as they were unfolding, but in the end he had nothing to complain about.

[Fritz]

Hey, I liked Tennessee Ernie Ford. Made great sausage commercials back in the day.

As for the Jets' o-line being better...Damien Woody was overweight and undermotivated the whole time he was in Detroit, until the last half of the last year, when he realized he was playing for a contract. Then he suddenly became interested. I believe this is why New England let him go in the first place.

Now he's got a big, new contract. I wonder how he'll play?'

Overweight? How can you tell...he is a lineman. When he was injured he did balloon up..but, he lost that weight by going to the duke program..hardly someone who is unmotivated..and playing at 335.

Undermotivated? again, how can you tell. I say the opposite..he lost his starting position at guard, was inactive for a couple of games and worked his way into the starting lineup at RT. That hardly sounds like someone is unmotivated.

The facts are this..he started for two Superbowl winning teams. He started 76 games with the Pats and was considered the anchor of the line.

He was a pro bowler in 02 and alternate in 04. He started every game 04 and 05 before and injury sidelined him in 06.

He is versatile and has played every position on the line cept for LT.

At worst he is an above average lineman.

We just don't agree here, Tyrone. Woody came to Detroit and proceeded to play and gain weight. He did not play well the year before last, and last year he got played so poorly he was benched - benched for the Detroit Lions? That's pretty bad. Yes, he worked his way back in, but my point it that this only seems to happen when Woody has a contract coming up. And since that's not the case now, having been rewarded, I see him once more settling into the familiar pattern.

I don't think he's all that. But I still love you and respect you, you crazy crackhead.

That isn't accurate..unless you can show some proof. He came and started for two years. That is 04 and 05. 06 he was out the whole year. Your time line isn't right.

What happened next is that they got a new coach...a tough guy..and woody went out with a foot injury. Now, he did gain weight..but, it is a fact that he went to the duke weight center and lost 40 pounds.

The big issue in detroit was of course could marinelli trust him...did he lose the weight so as to get his 4.5 salary or was he really committed.

Benched: No doubt...but, so what. He was coming back from an injury. You never saw any stories about him sulking, whining, demanding to be traded...he changed positions and got back in the lineup.

Remember, different coaches value diff types of lineman. If marinelli came to us...i guarantee many of our lineman would be benched, traded or cut.

Contract: He was great in NE. 76 games is quite a number for a lineman.

Love: Right back at you.

You're goin' Patler on me, man.

[cheesner]

Sounds a lot like "REBUILDING" to me, and thats fine, if you are a fan of the team and you do not mind waiting a few years for your team to be competitive again.

But, if you happen to be a HOF QB, who signed a lifetime contract with that same team during a time that the team was commited to "WINNING NOW".....................

How does that sit? Especially when the GM keeps saying "we are not rebuilding." If that same GM will lie about that to placate the fans and his HOF QB, do you think it is also possible then that he might lead his HOF QB on a little more, by entertaining discussions with him about who the new head coach should be? About picking up a FA such as Moss? Why not? Having Favre's face around during the rebuiliding phase kept money coming in, and kept seats filled.

It all made sense from a business stand point, but I don't root for business's, I root for the Packers, and the players.
TT did not know if Brett was going to play prior to his first 2 drafts or initial FA periods. Why would he draft or sign a FA with Brett in mind, not knowing if he was even going to play or not?

As far as 'keeping seats filled', the Packers have sold out every home game for the last 50 something years. There is no reason to believe it won't continue - I doubt fair weather fans, like yourself, comprise more than a percent or two of the Packer Fan population.

[sheepshead]

The guys all over the board isnt he?

[Guiness]

my posts are a bit over dramatic, or one sided.........

kept seats filled.


that would qualify as over dramatic right there.

[Fritz]

Hey, I liked Tennessee Ernie Ford. Made great sausage commercials back in the day.

As for the Jets' o-line being better...Damien Woody was overweight and undermotivated the whole time he was in Detroit, until the last half of the last year, when he realized he was playing for a contract. Then he suddenly became interested. I believe this is why New England let him go in the first place.

Now he's got a big, new contract. I wonder how he'll play?'

Overweight? How can you tell...he is a lineman. When he was injured he did balloon up..but, he lost that weight by going to the duke program..hardly someone who is unmotivated..and playing at 335.

Undermotivated? again, how can you tell. I say the opposite..he lost his starting position at guard, was inactive for a couple of games and worked his way into the starting lineup at RT. That hardly sounds like someone is unmotivated.

The facts are this..he started for two Superbowl winning teams. He started 76 games with the Pats and was considered the anchor of the line.

He was a pro bowler in 02 and alternate in 04. He started every game 04 and 05 before and injury sidelined him in 06.

He is versatile and has played every position on the line cept for LT.

At worst he is an above average lineman.

Okay, Tyrone, I couldn't just lete this go. I actually looked for some facts. You are correct that Woody started all sixteen games for Detroit in '04 and '05. In '06 he started five games and was out then for the season. In '07 he played in 13 games, starting 8 of those. He did switch positions, moving to right tackle.

I should clarify that I do not think Woody is always unmotivated; I think he is motivated when he is coming up for a contract. Although he did play in all 16 games for two years after signing with Detroit, this does not mean he necessarily played all that well. Here's a piece from an article from MLive.com, from an August '08 article:

Woody making excuses for underperforming in Detroit?
Posted by Philip Zaroo | MLive.com August 01, 2008 05:10AM
"One of the more frustrating names for Detroit Lions fans over the years is that of offensive lineman Damien Woody. Coming from the New England Patriots, there were high expectations that the guard would anchor a solidified offensive front.

"It never came to fruition. Through weight problems and injury, Woody struggled to perform at a high level despite his large salary. He did just enough, however, in filling in for the Lions at tackle – a position he hadn't played since high school – to get a big payday from the New York Jets, where, he says, he can have the discipline he needs."

This was the general sentiment in Detroit, and one with which I agree.

[Tarlam!]

First of all, I would like to thank you for keeping your response respectfull, and also thank anyone else who has posted to this thread with any kind of dignity or respect. Lately, if I post something, I like to let the thread go by itself for a while, to let all the smart/dumb-asses get in their attempts to be witty. If the thread dies before I get back to it, so be it. I just like to express my opinions in the hopes of hearing from others that share my views.

People treat you like they do because you're an ass triscuit. You have no respect for anything or anyone and yet expect everyone else to respect your idiotic, mentally stunted views. Beyond that, you never have any truthful basis behind your posts. When someone takes the time to disprove one of your fucking retarded posts, you don't reply, you slink away for a couple days then come back and post the same stupid vomit. Fuck yourself in the eye socket and die. Is that respectful enough for you little pud licker?


I've never really understood why you hold back on your true feelings when you post, Skin. I think you need therapy, you clearly bottle up your true feelings and that can't be healthy. Listen, Bro, I care!! Get some help!!!

[Deputy Nutz]

First of all, I would like to thank you for keeping your response respectfull, and also thank anyone else who has posted to this thread with any kind of dignity or respect. Lately, if I post something, I like to let the thread go by itself for a while, to let all the smart/dumb-asses get in their attempts to be witty. If the thread dies before I get back to it, so be it. I just like to express my opinions in the hopes of hearing from others that share my views.

People treat you like they do because you're an ass triscuit. You have no respect for anything or anyone and yet expect everyone else to respect your idiotic, mentally stunted views. Beyond that, you never have any truthful basis behind your posts. When someone takes the time to disprove one of your fucking retarded posts, you don't reply, you slink away for a couple days then come back and post the same stupid vomit. Fuck yourself in the eye socket and die. Is that respectful enough for you little pud licker?


I've never really understood why you hold back on your true feelings when you post, Skin. I think you need therapy, you clearly bottle up your true feelings and that can't be healthy. Listen, Bro, I care!! Get some help!!!

I love dipshits that argue against each other and bash. Such as this thread. Sure you have some reasonable thought out reponses and then you have those that choose to respond in the above manner, such as other "ass triscuit" CPK, and Sheepshead. keep it up morons keep it up! I am truly entertain. Gone for a week but yet the stupidity continues.

[cpk1994]

First of all, I would like to thank you for keeping your response respectfull, and also thank anyone else who has posted to this thread with any kind of dignity or respect. Lately, if I post something, I like to let the thread go by itself for a while, to let all the smart/dumb-asses get in their attempts to be witty. If the thread dies before I get back to it, so be it. I just like to express my opinions in the hopes of hearing from others that share my views.

People treat you like they do because you're an ass triscuit. You have no respect for anything or anyone and yet expect everyone else to respect your idiotic, mentally stunted views. Beyond that, you never have any truthful basis behind your posts. When someone takes the time to disprove one of your fucking retarded posts, you don't reply, you slink away for a couple days then come back and post the same stupid vomit. Fuck yourself in the eye socket and die. Is that respectful enough for you little pud licker?


I've never really understood why you hold back on your true feelings when you post, Skin. I think you need therapy, you clearly bottle up your true feelings and that can't be healthy. Listen, Bro, I care!! Get some help!!!

I love dipshits that argue against each other and bash. Such as this thread. Sure you have some reasonable thought out reponses and then you have those that choose to respond in the above manner, such as other "ass triscuit" CPK, and Sheepshead. keep it up morons keep it up! I am truly entertain. Gone for a week but yet the stupidity continues.

Takes one to know one....

Pot calling kettle...

I could go on.

[sheepshead]

First of all, I would like to thank you for keeping your response respectfull, and also thank anyone else who has posted to this thread with any kind of dignity or respect. Lately, if I post something, I like to let the thread go by itself for a while, to let all the smart/dumb-asses get in their attempts to be witty. If the thread dies before I get back to it, so be it. I just like to express my opinions in the hopes of hearing from others that share my views.

People treat you like they do because you're an ass triscuit. You have no respect for anything or anyone and yet expect everyone else to respect your idiotic, mentally stunted views. Beyond that, you never have any truthful basis behind your posts. When someone takes the time to disprove one of your fucking retarded posts, you don't reply, you slink away for a couple days then come back and post the same stupid vomit. Fuck yourself in the eye socket and die. Is that respectful enough for you little pud licker?


I've never really understood why you hold back on your true feelings when you post, Skin. I think you need therapy, you clearly bottle up your true feelings and that can't be healthy. Listen, Bro, I care!! Get some help!!!

I love dipshits that argue against each other and bash. Such as this thread. Sure you have some reasonable thought out reponses and then you have those that choose to respond in the above manner, such as other "ass triscuit" CPK, and Sheepshead. keep it up morons keep it up! I am truly entertain. Gone for a week but yet the stupidity continues.

your board police shtick is tiresome. There is no decorum on this board. Some people/posts deserve to be challenged and challenged in the strongest language possible, If someone is that stupid and insulting, they should hear about it. Maybe you like to read total bullshit, most of us have trouble with it. so find some other worthwhile pursuit. Both of you knob gobblers.

[Tarlam!]

Both of you knob gobblers.

I take it you are calling me names with this?

You pathetic little fuckwit! Get a clue before you demonstrate your ignorance for all the world to see. I have told you many times, you don't have a clue what is what on this board. But I am a well-meaning soul, I'll fill you in. Despite you being an ignorant ass-wipe.

Nutz, Skin and I belong to an elite few on this board that actually have met, shook hands and thrown a football to eachother in a Green Bay street.

Nutz and Skin baby sit eachother's kids and help renovate eachother's houses.

You have no idea, Sheepdip. When you finally get a friend, I'll be happy for you.

[mraynrand]

Both of you knob gobblers.

I take it you are calling me names with this?

You pathetic little fuckwit! Get a clue before you demonstrate your ignorance for all the world to see. I have told you many times, you don't have a clue what is what on this board. But I am a well-meaning soul, I'll fill you in. Despite you being an ignorant ass-wipe.

Nutz, Skin and I belong to an elite few on this board that actually have met, shook hands and thrown a football to eachother in a Green Bay street.

Nutz and Skin baby sit eachother's kids and help renovate eachother's houses.

You have no idea, Sheepdip. When you finally get a friend, I'll be happy for you.

Elitist!

[sheepshead]

Both of you knob gobblers.

I take it you are calling me names with this?

You pathetic little fuckwit! Get a clue before you demonstrate your ignorance for all the world to see. I have told you many times, you don't have a clue what is what on this board. But I am a well-meaning soul, I'll fill you in. Despite you being an ignorant ass-wipe.

Nutz, Skin and I belong to an elite few on this board that actually have met, shook hands and thrown a football to eachother in a Green Bay street.

Nutz and Skin baby sit eachother's kids and help renovate eachother's houses.

You have no idea, Sheepdip. When you finally get a friend, I'll be happy for you.

this is very tiresome--go away

[Tarlam!]

this is very tiresome--go away

Don't pick fights and you won't get bashed, idiot.

[Merlin]

Not much shocks me anymore in here. For those of us who have long held that Ted Thompson's agenda was to make this "his" team, which includes removing every influence from the prior GM(s) and coaching staff(s) team(s), Ted Thompson didn't disappoint us. For those of you who have done nothing but ridicule us, you want the truth but you can't handle the truth. There were a lot of things that went on during this whole ordeal that we will never know. You can BANK on Brett Favre opening up his mouth and saying what he feels and what he believes even if YOU think he "sounds" like a prima-dona, at least you cannot question his sincerity and honesty. You certainly CAN NOT say the same about Ted Thompson.

What I said holds true, this is about wining football games. Without question, for Ted Thompson, that is not the case, it's about Ted Thompson. I read someone say that Ted doesn't get to determine who gets to play, that is steaming pile of dung. A GM has more influence then you think, especially one that wants things his way. After watching Family Night and part of the first pre-season game, I can say this much, you Rodgers apologists disgust me. He does NOT look all world. He looks a tad below average. I saw the words "goes through progressions", really? I didn't see that once. He looked at who he was going to throw at when the ball was snapped and then watched them until they were open. Sure you have to "read" the defense at the line of scrimmage but you "look off" the receivers so the defense doesn't start to key on your eyes. His timing wasn't great and if Favre had thrown that interception you can BANK on the Rodgers apologists calling for Favre to be benched. But because Rodgers threw into double coverage (for those of you who have no idea what that is, it means two defensive players are covering the area) and the ball was "tipped", it isn't his fault. Horse squeeze, it is his fault, just like it would have been Favre's fault. If the receiver had made the catch it would have been an "outstanding" catch, not a good or advised throw.

Don't get me wrong, Rodgers did have some nice throws. He looked "better" then he did against Dallas and he looked all world in comparison to Brian Brohm, which isn't saying much. I am a Packer fan and he is our QB but that doesn't mean I have to spoon all over the guy when it's obvious he has a long way to go. He also is still doing the things that he needs to improve on to make it in this league: Stares down his primary receiver, has zero pocket presence, and his accuracy is a little bit of a concern (let me guess, it's the receivers running the wrong route right?).

I am pretty sick an tired of all of the bs people like myself have to take for pointing out the truth, the obvious, and also sharing what we consider to be our opinions. Your rhetoric is old, we all get it, you have a love affair for Ted Thompson and Aaron Rodgers and you have no tolerance for the truth or anyone else's opinion. I am sick of reading post after post of the same line of sheep manure. If your shit doesn't stink, then I suggest you create your own sight so you and your rump rangers can all share the same brain in harmony instead of having to pass it from thread to thread. It's boring, tiring, and as anit-Packer fan as you can get.

[sheepshead]

[quote=sheepshead]
this is very tiresome--go away

Don't pick fights and you won't get bashed, idiot.[/quot


I'm not getting bashed. Just annoyed by a know nothing twerp.

[Tarlam!]

I'm not getting bashed. Just annoyed by a know nothing twerp.

I am a no-nothing, but I've never admitted to being more. You on the other hand think your shit don't stink. I'm here to tell you that your shit is as putrid as your comments on this board.

Like I said, I'll be happy for you when you finally find out what it's like to have a friend. Until then, I'll just have to be generous and overlook much of your pathetic little outbursts.

[Fritz]

So how 'bout that old Damien Woody?

[sheepshead]

HAAAAAAAAA

[Carolina_Packer]

What you are saying makes sense retailguy, and even though my posts are a bit over dramatic, or one sided.........there is no denying that Thompson is building a strong team. It is not full of Pro-bowlers or anything, but it looks like it can be a very good Packer team. Almost a team of "Kampmans", which can be a good thing with any luck.

As for what I think of Thompson as a person..........

If you were hired to fix a team that was chock-full of veteran talent, and headed towards salary cap hell................how would you do it?

1)cut or let go as many high salary players as you can? (Wahle, Flannigan, Rivera, Longwell, Sharper................)

2)Stop signing other teams free agents, and try to improve through the draft.

3)hold on to your "Big Name" franchise players until you think you have all the other pieces in place.........just to keep the fans happy.

Sounds a lot like "REBUILDING" to me, and thats fine, if you are a fan of the team and you do not mind waiting a few years for your team to be competitive again.

But, if you happen to be a HOF QB, who signed a lifetime contract with that same team during a time that the team was commited to "WINNING NOW".....................

How does that sit? Especially when the GM keeps saying "we are not rebuilding." If that same GM will lie about that to placate the fans and his HOF QB, do you think it is also possible then that he might lead his HOF QB on a little more, by entertaining discussions with him about who the new head coach should be? About picking up a FA such as Moss? Why not? Having Favre's face around during the rebuiliding phase kept money coming in, and kept seats filled.

It all made sense from a business stand point, but I don't root for business's, I root for the Packers, and the players.

PB, it's hard to argue with success, and the proof is in the pudding, as TT likes to say. I hear you giving TT credit, which is appropriate. I don't think it was blind luck, but planning and execution. For TT detractors, he may not have done things the way that you would have, but he's done them and seems to be on the right track. The Favre situation was difficult, and he had nothing but tough choices to make in the whole situation. Keep Favre and all but shoot down Rodgers' chance to be a long-term solution by placating Brett for possibly only one more year and another possible retirement ("This time I really mean it!...No Seriously.") or jettison (no pun intended) Favre to another team. I think it was Favre who lost his desire to play in Green Bay after the Packers moved on with Rodgers because of Favre's indecision after retirement. It's done and over with.

I think TT wants to build a winning organization, and felt confident that he had his QB in Rodgers, albeit, there were unknown factors, but it speaks to his confidence in Rodgers. There would have been a lot more butt-kissing by TT if he wasn't condident that Rodgers could perform well. He also seems to be about building a team, not placating a star player. His choice. There are ramifications if you do placate a star player as far as building a team, especially one who is 38, almost 39. It's a shame that it came to a show-down, but it did and we all move on. I think TT has the Packers best interests in mind and is building a good team. The proof will be on the field. Favre would have been a no-brainer for a comeback if we are sitting with Craig Nall, or worse as a backup once Favre retires in March. Since we had Rodgers, we had another option.

[cpk1994]

Not much shocks me anymore in here. For those of us who have long held that Ted Thompson's agenda was to make this "his" team, which includes removing every influence from the prior GM(s) and coaching staff(s) team(s), Ted Thompson didn't disappoint us. For those of you who have done nothing but ridicule us, you want the truth but you can't handle the truth. There were a lot of things that went on during this whole ordeal that we will never know. You can BANK on Brett Favre opening up his mouth and saying what he feels and what he believes even if YOU think he "sounds" like a prima-dona, at least you cannot question his sincerity and honesty. You certainly CAN NOT say the same about Ted Thompson.

What I said holds true, this is about wining football games. Without question, for Ted Thompson, that is not the case, it's about Ted Thompson. I read someone say that Ted doesn't get to determine who gets to play, that is steaming pile of dung. A GM has more influence then you think, especially one that wants things his way. After watching Family Night and part of the first pre-season game, I can say this much, you Rodgers apologists disgust me. He does NOT look all world. He looks a tad below average. I saw the words "goes through progressions", really? I didn't see that once. He looked at who he was going to throw at when the ball was snapped and then watched them until they were open. Sure you have to "read" the defense at the line of scrimmage but you "look off" the receivers so the defense doesn't start to key on your eyes. His timing wasn't great and if Favre had thrown that interception you can BANK on the Rodgers apologists calling for Favre to be benched. But because Rodgers threw into double coverage (for those of you who have no idea what that is, it means two defensive players are covering the area) and the ball was "tipped", it isn't his fault. Horse squeeze, it is his fault, just like it would have been Favre's fault. If the receiver had made the catch it would have been an "outstanding" catch, not a good or advised throw.

Don't get me wrong, Rodgers did have some nice throws. He looked "better" then he did against Dallas and he looked all world in comparison to Brian Brohm, which isn't saying much. I am a Packer fan and he is our QB but that doesn't mean I have to spoon all over the guy when it's obvious he has a long way to go. He also is still doing the things that he needs to improve on to make it in this league: Stares down his primary receiver, has zero pocket presence, and his accuracy is a little bit of a concern (let me guess, it's the receivers running the wrong route right?).

I am pretty sick an tired of all of the bs people like myself have to take for pointing out the truth, the obvious, and also sharing what we consider to be our opinions. Your rhetoric is old, we all get it, you have a love affair for Ted Thompson and Aaron Rodgers and you have no tolerance for the truth or anyone else's opinion. I am sick of reading post after post of the same line of sheep manure. If your shit doesn't stink, then I suggest you create your own sight so you and your rump rangers can all share the same brain in harmony instead of having to pass it from thread to thread. It's boring, tiring, and as anit-Packer fan as you can get.That's rght Merlin ytou are right and every one else is wrong. It's that kind elitest attitude that proves why you are constantly getting trashed on and thought of as an ignorant tool. Tired bullshit, thy name is Merlin.

[Patler]

No bashing, just some responses:


For those of us who have long held that Ted Thompson's agenda was to make this "his" team, which includes removing every influence from the prior GM(s) and coaching staff(s) team(s), Ted Thompson didn't disappoint us. For those of you who have done nothing but ridicule us, you want the truth but you can't handle the truth.
I have never understood where this comes from. TT has built the team to be highly competitive, young and with the ability to sign players under the salary cap. You make it sound like he wanted his players just because they were his, and wanted to get rid of everyone else just because they weren't. In actuality, it appears that what he wanted was players better than those who were here. The most telling comment I heard from TT was his first in depth team analysis around the time of his first draft. In response to a bunch of questions he said he had spent the first couple months reviewing all of the game tapes several times. He said the roster was not what he expected for a team with the record the Packers had. He said he didn't have a good understanding of the Packer roster from his position in Seattle, but expected it to be much deeper than it was, based on their record.


You can BANK on Brett Favre opening up his mouth and saying what he feels and what he believes even if YOU think he "sounds" like a prima-dona, at least you cannot question his sincerity and honesty. You certainly CAN NOT say the same about Ted Thompson.
I think one CAN question Favre's sincerity and honesty when his own words and actions often were contradictory. I think one can believe TT was honest and sincere, simply because he was consistent. In actuality, I suspect both lied to us, publicly saying what they needed to to further their desires. I have no doubt that Favres objective for a long, long time was to get to Minnesota, and TT's objective was to keep him retired. Just my opinion.


What I said holds true, this is about wining football games. Without question, for Ted Thompson, that is not the case, it's about Ted Thompson.
I understand this even less, in view of the clear improvement in the roster, and the consistent proclamations by everyone in the Packer front office that TT has only one goal, making the Packers better. He has cut his own draft choices in their first camps, and has released his own free agent signings before they have played a regular season game in GB.


After watching Family Night and part of the first pre-season game, I can say this much, you Rodgers apologists disgust me. He does NOT look all world. He looks a tad below average. I saw the words "goes through progressions", really? I didn't see that once. He looked at who he was going to throw at when the ball was snapped and then watched them until they were open. Sure you have to "read" the defense at the line of scrimmage but you "look off" the receivers so the defense doesn't start to key on your eyes.
Interesting, because Jaworski said exactly the opposite. He said Rodgers was doing a very good job holding the safeties with his eyes before going to the receiver.


His timing wasn't great and if Favre had thrown that interception you can BANK on the Rodgers apologists calling for Favre to be benched. But because Rodgers threw into double coverage (for those of you who have no idea what that is, it means two defensive players are covering the area) and the ball was "tipped", it isn't his fault. Horse squeeze, it is his fault, just like it would have been Favre's fault. If the receiver had made the catch it would have been an "outstanding" catch, not a good or advised throw.
I do not believe that the ball was tipped, it hit off the receiver's chest. He absolutely nailed the throw. Would have been nothing great at all about the catch. It should have been made


I am pretty sick an tired of all of the bs people like myself have to take for pointing out the truth, the obvious, and also sharing what we consider to be our opinions. Your rhetoric is old, we all get it, you have a love affair for Ted Thompson and Aaron Rodgers and you have no tolerance for the truth or anyone else's opinion. I am sick of reading post after post of the same line of sheep manure. If your shit doesn't stink, then I suggest you create your own sight so you and your rump rangers can all share the same brain in harmony instead of having to pass it from thread to thread. It's boring, tiring, and as anit-Packer fan as you can get.
Are you not doing exactly what you criticize others for doing? Is your "truth" any more certain to be accurate than the "truths" of those who disagree with you? You both play the same game and make the same accusations, just on opposite sides. Do you not see that?

I have strong opinions (surprised?) and I will argue with anyone. I try very hard not to express my opinions in ways that question the intellect or demean the person I am arguing with. If I sometimes fail, I apologize..

[Zool]

Merlin you've been Patlerized.

[Merlin]

Not really, just makes my point: Don't disagree or point out the obvious in here, it's all about mindless rhetoric that goes round and round. If and when one of these self glorified fanatics has a thought of their own, let me know. Until then, it's all about them, not about the Packers. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to repeat what they hear from someone else and claim it to be their own...

[Zool]

Well at least you accept others opinions and debate them.

[SkinBasket]

For those of you who have done nothing but ridicule us, you want the truth but you can't handle the truth.

I prefer:

http://upload.moldova.org/movie/movies/j/jerry_maguire/thumbnails/tn2_jerry_maguire_2.jpg
You had me at hello.







Doesn't take a rocket scientist to repeat what they hear from someone else and claim it to be their own...

[Zool]

I think old Merlin's more of a Blue Velvet man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhiofL2Rh4

[Deputy Nutz]

First of all, I would like to thank you for keeping your response respectfull, and also thank anyone else who has posted to this thread with any kind of dignity or respect. Lately, if I post something, I like to let the thread go by itself for a while, to let all the smart/dumb-asses get in their attempts to be witty. If the thread dies before I get back to it, so be it. I just like to express my opinions in the hopes of hearing from others that share my views.

People treat you like they do because you're an ass triscuit. You have no respect for anything or anyone and yet expect everyone else to respect your idiotic, mentally stunted views. Beyond that, you never have any truthful basis behind your posts. When someone takes the time to disprove one of your fucking retarded posts, you don't reply, you slink away for a couple days then come back and post the same stupid vomit. Fuck yourself in the eye socket and die. Is that respectful enough for you little pud licker?


I've never really understood why you hold back on your true feelings when you post, Skin. I think you need therapy, you clearly bottle up your true feelings and that can't be healthy. Listen, Bro, I care!! Get some help!!!

I love dipshits that argue against each other and bash. Such as this thread. Sure you have some reasonable thought out reponses and then you have those that choose to respond in the above manner, such as other "ass triscuit" CPK, and Sheepshead. keep it up morons keep it up! I am truly entertain. Gone for a week but yet the stupidity continues.

your board police shtick is tiresome. There is no decorum on this board. Some people/posts deserve to be challenged and challenged in the strongest language possible, If someone is that stupid and insulting, they should hear about it. Maybe you like to read total bullshit, most of us have trouble with it. so find some other worthwhile pursuit. Both of you knob gobblers.

Go ahead and do something about it, seriously. You don't like this board, simple leave. I honestly can't remember you saying one damn positive thing about this place. You probably even bitch because it is free. I don't believe anyone actually invited you here, so by no means are you doing us a favor by being here. Your above post sounds like you are doing more policing and monitoring than anyone else, god forbid you allow someones thoughts and ideas to pass by without comment. Thank god you were here to call out the creator of this thread otherwise his ideas might have spread thougth this forum, then on to Wisconsin, throughout the midwest, then on to New Mexico, and pretty soon PackerBlues has the United States convinced. What would we have done without you?

[cpk1994]

Not really, just makes my point: Don't disagree or point out the obvious in here, it's all about mindless rhetoric that goes round and round. If and when one of these self glorified fanatics has a thought of their own, let me know. Until then, it's all about them, not about the Packers. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to repeat what they hear from someone else and claim it to be their own...I see, since you don't agree with it it is "mindless rhetoric"? Palter makes a hell of a lot more sense than your insane ramblings.

If you are so sure that TT is all about his guys then why are Tuascher, Clifton, Driver, Barnett and Kampman sill on the roster? Under your logic they shouldn't be here becuase they aren't "TT's guys".

Also, I will take the opinion of a Jaworski, who has played muerous years in the NFL along with being in a SUper Bowl, about QB's over a two bit hack such as yourself.

Personally, I haven't taken you seriously since your idiotic "TT won't be a success unless he meets my 3 personal benchmarks" post becuase its obvious your hatred of TT clouds your peabrain of any sanity or rationality.

[SkinBasket]

http://jackzone.de/images/20070322012112_endless_love.jpg

[cpk1994]

Que?

[sheepshead]

First of all, I would like to thank you for keeping your response respectfull, and also thank anyone else who has posted to this thread with any kind of dignity or respect. Lately, if I post something, I like to let the thread go by itself for a while, to let all the smart/dumb-asses get in their attempts to be witty. If the thread dies before I get back to it, so be it. I just like to express my opinions in the hopes of hearing from others that share my views.

People treat you like they do because you're an ass triscuit. You have no respect for anything or anyone and yet expect everyone else to respect your idiotic, mentally stunted views. Beyond that, you never have any truthful basis behind your posts. When someone takes the time to disprove one of your fucking retarded posts, you don't reply, you slink away for a couple days then come back and post the same stupid vomit. Fuck yourself in the eye socket and die. Is that respectful enough for you little pud licker?


I've never really understood why you hold back on your true feelings when you post, Skin. I think you need therapy, you clearly bottle up your true feelings and that can't be healthy. Listen, Bro, I care!! Get some help!!!

I love dipshits that argue against each other and bash. Such as this thread. Sure you have some reasonable thought out reponses and then you have those that choose to respond in the above manner, such as other "ass triscuit" CPK, and Sheepshead. keep it up morons keep it up! I am truly entertain. Gone for a week but yet the stupidity continues.

your board police shtick is tiresome. There is no decorum on this board. Some people/posts deserve to be challenged and challenged in the strongest language possible, If someone is that stupid and insulting, they should hear about it. Maybe you like to read total bullshit, most of us have trouble with it. so find some other worthwhile pursuit. Both of you knob gobblers.

Go ahead and do something about it, seriously. You don't like this board, simple leave. I honestly can't remember you saying one damn positive thing about this place. You probably even bitch because it is free. I don't believe anyone actually invited you here, so by no means are you doing us a favor by being here. Your above post sounds like you are doing more policing and monitoring than anyone else, god forbid you allow someones thoughts and ideas to pass by without comment. Thank god you were here to call out the creator of this thread otherwise his ideas might have spread thougth this forum, then on to Wisconsin, throughout the midwest, then on to New Mexico, and pretty soon PackerBlues has the United States convinced. What would we have done without you?

holy shit get some fucking help--your next move is gonna be in a tower with a damn deer rifle

[Tarlam!]

holy shit get some fucking help--your next move is gonna be in a tower with a damn deer rifle

Wow. Clever as hell. You flaw me with your comeback brilliance.

Now, are you too stupid to read, too stupid to find the right combinations on your keyboard or just plain stupid?

Sign up for the FF league already. Fucking dork.

[cpk1994]

holy shit get some fucking help--your next move is gonna be in a tower with a damn deer rifleDon't bother with him. He is not worth your time or effort. Just keep bringing the quality.

[Zool]

Sign up for the FF league already.

QFT

[Deputy Nutz]

holy shit get some fucking help--your next move is gonna be in a tower with a damn deer rifleDon't bother with him. He is not worth your time or effort. Just keep bringing the quality.

I think you are a snake, a little snake in the grass. And if you really think Sheepshit brings quality then you are off your fuck stick.

Actually I think you are dirty shitfaced traitor. Sure you back the Pack, but as soon as the leader of this team does something you don't like you feel for the first time in 16 years you can open up your shit gobbler and slam Favre. He was always too good for you it is a shame that you took the privilage of watching him, you didn't deserve it.

[The Shadow]

13 -3?
NFC North Division champ?
Youngest team in NFL?
Executive of the Year?
Healthy salary cap?

What a nefarious, reprehensible, ignoble agenda!!!!!!

[Patler]

Not really, just makes my point: Don't disagree or point out the obvious in here, it's all about mindless rhetoric that goes round and round. If and when one of these self glorified fanatics has a thought of their own, let me know. Until then, it's all about them, not about the Packers. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to repeat what they hear from someone else and claim it to be their own...

I calmly and politely replied to your entire post. I stated my opinions and, more importantly, reasons for my opinions. You provided little in support of your statements in your original post, yet you reply to me only dismissively.

Is my opinion to be ignored simply because I disagree with you????
Am I self glorified simply because I provided opinions and the reasons for those opinions?
Are your opinions right and "obvious" because they are yours, and mine simply inconsequential because they differ from yours?
Am I less of a Packer fan than you, simply because we have different opinions?

[Zool]

This should about narrow it down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_YHV5fdUiQ

[SkinBasket]

Not really, just makes my point: Don't disagree or point out the obvious in here, it's all about mindless rhetoric that goes round and round. If and when one of these self glorified fanatics has a thought of their own, let me know. Until then, it's all about them, not about the Packers. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to repeat what they hear from someone else and claim it to be their own...

I calmly and politely replied to your entire post. I stated my opinions and, more importantly, reasons for my opinions. You provided little in support of your statements in your original post, yet you reply to me only dismissively.

Is my opinion to be ignored simply because I disagree with you????
Am I self glorified simply because I provided opinions and the reasons for those opinions?
Are your opinions right and "obvious" because they are yours, and mine simply inconsequential because they differ from yours?
Am I less of a Packer fan than you, simply because we have different opinions?

Nice autopsy Dr. Patler. Although the subject was a bit dim.

[sharpe1027]

Not really, just makes my point: Don't disagree or point out the obvious in here, it's all about mindless rhetoric that goes round and round. If and when one of these self glorified fanatics has a thought of their own, let me know. Until then, it's all about them, not about the Packers. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to repeat what they hear from someone else and claim it to be their own...

I thought Patler's response was very well thought out and provided explict reasoning for his positions. What point does that prove, that you refuse to consider other's opinions and dismiss them out-of-hand as mindless rhetoric without providing any reason other than you don't agree? Point taken.

[cpk1994]

holy shit get some fucking help--your next move is gonna be in a tower with a damn deer rifleDon't bother with him. He is not worth your time or effort. Just keep bringing the quality.

I think you are a snake, a little snake in the grass. And if you really think Sheepshit brings quality then you are off your fuck stick.

Actually I think you are dirty shitfaced traitor. Sure you back the Pack, but as soon as the leader of this team does something you don't like you feel for the first time in 16 years you can open up your shit gobbler and slam Favre. He was always too good for you it is a shame that you took the privilage of watching him, you didn't deserve it.You've just proven my point. I rest my case, your honor!

[cpk1994]

Not really, just makes my point: Don't disagree or point out the obvious in here, it's all about mindless rhetoric that goes round and round. If and when one of these self glorified fanatics has a thought of their own, let me know. Until then, it's all about them, not about the Packers. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to repeat what they hear from someone else and claim it to be their own...

I calmly and politely replied to your entire post. I stated my opinions and, more importantly, reasons for my opinions. You provided little in support of your statements in your original post, yet you reply to me only dismissively.

Is my opinion to be ignored simply because I disagree with you????
Am I self glorified simply because I provided opinions and the reasons for those opinions?
Are your opinions right and "obvious" because they are yours, and mine simply inconsequential because they differ from yours?
Am I less of a Packer fan than you, simply because we have different opinions?

Nice autopsy Dr. Patler. Although the subject was a bit dim.Indeed.

[sheepshead]

Sometimes..all you can do is shake your head and move on. This...is one of those times.

[Patler]

Sometimes..all you can do is shake your head and move on. This...is one of those times.

But it hurts when I do that, and the banging and clanging is intolerable? :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

I thought Patler's response was very well thought out and provided explict reasoning for his positions.


Well thought out?

He replied to Merlin. The response shouldn't have surprised anybody but the Noobs.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So how 'bout that old Damien Woody?

Don't worry. I'll have some counter articles soon. :lol:

[Fritz]

Given the direction of this thread, I think our Damien Woodyfest seems off track.

I will say I like the guy's name. I think when the New York writers ask Favre how he likes his new offensive line, it will be sad if Favre does not reply by saying "Well, I've never had a Woody from my offensive line before."

Thank you. Thank you very much. I'll be here all week, and don't forget to tip the waitstaff.

[cpk1994]

Given the direction of this thread, I think our Damien Woodyfest seems off track.

I will say I like the guy's name. I think when the New York writers ask Favre how he likes his new offensive line, it will be sad if Favre does not reply by saying "Well, I've never had a Woody from my offensive line before."

Thank you. Thank you very much. I'll be here all week, and don't forget to tip the waitstaff.And try the veal!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Given the direction of this thread, I think our Damien Woodyfest seems off track.

I will say I like the guy's name. I think when the New York writers ask Favre how he likes his new offensive line, it will be sad if Favre does not reply by saying "Well, I've never had a Woody from my offensive line before."

Thank you. Thank you very much. I'll be here all week, and don't forget to tip the waitstaff.

I counter your woody argument with (from usa toay):


It changed my life," the 6-foot-3, 340-pound Woody said. "It was an eye-opening experience about eating habits that finally gave me the tools to deal with something I've been struggling with my whole career.

"I lost 40-some pounds and that was the first step in the whole process for me this year."


But unlike many pro athletes that get demoted, Woody kept his mouth shut, worked hard and hoped good things would happen.

After three games on the inactive list, he slowly worked his way onto the field as a reserve.

Starting right tackle George Foster fell out of favor with the coaches and Jonathan Scott was injured, leading to Woody playing the position for the first time since he was at Patrick Henry High School in Virginia.

Woody not only became a starter, but an effective one.

When Detroit (6-8) hosts the Kansas City Chiefs (4-10) on Sunday in its home finale, Woody will be in the lineup for the fourth straight game.

"He had an opportunity to resurrect his career and he came back with that mind-set and he's done a good job," Chiefs coach Herm Edwards said. "Sometimes with offensive linemen, they really go unnoticed."

Woody has certainly been noticed by coaches and teammates, earning rave reviews for the way he has salvaged something out of what has been a disappointing season for a team that might be the first in NFL history to win six of its first eight games and finish 6-10.

"I can't tell you how impressive he's been really," Detroit coach Rod Marinelli said. "It's been remarkable. The protections have improved dramatically with him at right tackle."

:wink:

[Fritz]

Damn you Tyrone! :)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Damn you Tyrone! :)

KHAN!!!!

The best part of that story is Marinelli praising him....stabs you right in your back.

[mraynrand]

I was hoping to be able to see some video of Woody, bu the didn't play on thanksgiving, and I don't care about the final game. But he did play after thanksgiving against Dallas (152 yards rushing) and against San Diego (no sacks). But he did get injured again against K.C (those three were at tackle). A guard, he help to contribute to that horrendous running effort against the Giants. I'm usually not one to say about a guy that 'he can't stay healthy' - because injuries just happen - but it looks like the guy has something left in the tank, so long as he doesn't get hurt, and so long as he plays at tackle.

[Deputy Nutz]

holy shit get some fucking help--your next move is gonna be in a tower with a damn deer rifleDon't bother with him. He is not worth your time or effort. Just keep bringing the quality.

I think you are a snake, a little snake in the grass. And if you really think Sheepshit brings quality then you are off your fuck stick.

Actually I think you are dirty shitfaced traitor. Sure you back the Pack, but as soon as the leader of this team does something you don't like you feel for the first time in 16 years you can open up your shit gobbler and slam Favre. He was always too good for you it is a shame that you took the privilage of watching him, you didn't deserve it.You've just proven my point. I rest my case, your honor!

Look Sheepshit made a friend!!!!

[SkinBasket]

Look Sheepshit made a friend!!!!

I've always seen you as a uniter instead of a divider.

[Fritz]

Damn you Tyrone! :)

KHAN!!!!

The best part of that story is Marinelli praising him....stabs you right in your back.

Like, as in "Shaka Khan"?

[MJZiggy]

Dammit, now I'm gonna have that song in my head all night...

[Zool]

Dammit, now I'm gonna have that song in my head all night...

i feel for you

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Damn you Tyrone! :)

KHAN!!!!

The best part of that story is Marinelli praising him....stabs you right in your back.

Like, as in "Shaka Khan"?

No, like Ricardo Montalban in the Trek movie...Wrath of Khan.

[Deputy Nutz]

Look Sheepshit made a friend!!!!

I've always seen you as a uniter instead of a divider.

exactly

[MJZiggy]

Dammit, now I'm gonna have that song in my head all night...

i feel for you

Bastard!