OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[MOBB DEEP]

ty + being a dork during youth = hate for others/anger :P

thats why u're so quick witted; u had to develop coping mechanism since no prom date. instead of dating u watched laurel and hardy with your aunt

jus messing with you my mellow

but EVRYONE knows that mangini ruined that team, favre made probowl

Rex woulda had that squad BALLN

but who cares? allswell that ends well....

this week i will be rockn my favre minny jerz AND my favre jets joint :wink:

[Scott Campbell]

McGinn article in JS

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/81934122.html


Bert gets an opportunity this weekend to exercise the demons from the last time he puked up in a NFC championship game. So far he's right back where he left off with the Packers.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

WTF are you getting at Ty,you still are not making a valid point.

Really? You want complexity to the argument? Your posts regarding the pack like the one quoted argue against complexity of thought.

Should i post your thoughts on the pack's 6-10 season and who was to blame?

[MOBB DEEP]

McGinn article in JS

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/81934122.html


Bert gets an opportunity this weekend to exercise the demons from the last time he puked up in a NFC championship game. So far he's right back where he left off with the Packers.

IT WAS DRIVERS FAULT...he he

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home

[MOBB DEEP]

be sincere Ty

arent u jus a LIL impressed with what favre is doing at his age? Seeing that no one ever has

again, serious question

obviously i dig favre alot but even i wouldnt have predicted his current play and am still waiting for him to do some boneheaded things

[channtheman]

The media caused a touchdown? I thought it was the pants on the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmEVro8Fog

LOL funny stuff!

I've come around to Favre but it still feels weird to see him like that with a bunch of guys in purple.

[Bretsky]

McGinn article in JS

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/81934122.html


Bert gets an opportunity this weekend to exercise the demons from the last time he puked up in a NFC championship game. So far he's right back where he left off with the Packers.


I'm predicting Brett to have a rough go of it this week; those lob passes won't be as easy with a Safety like Sharper waiting for them.

I actually think mulitiple posters will probably be in here basking in his/her glory like Green Bay won a playoff game after he struggles and the Saints win that game.

[MOBB DEEP]

The media caused a touchdown? I thought it was the pants on the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmEVro8Fog

LOL funny stuff!

told u double-0

i knew ur sassy tail would dig it


btw, ALL the guys asked have been saying jus how awesome a teammate bert has been. schooling them during film sessions, keepn things light even befor playoff games, and overall jus being one of the guys; not that primadonna/diva BS that folk like to ascribe to him

i heard reports that he went to a lil wayne concert with harvin and some young lineman duting pre-season as a way to esatblish rapport

frickn ingenius b/c NO WAY his country tail likes that genre of music

This comes back to Patler's point that Favre has changed this year as a teammate and as a player. Accounts before this year were that Favre had grown apart from his teammates but this year he seems to be reaching out more.

yeah dy, i recall the reports in NY...but was it true he did that in GB too? i heard he felt a disconnect from alot of the youngns. but he driver and GJ seemed kinda close

and im sure he got along with cliffy, etc

maybe he jus didnt like Mac so he became despondent at times? :?:

[Bretsky]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

[MOBB DEEP]

I've come around to Favre

Ive noticed you have too

well done grasshopper.... 8-) :wink:

[MOBB DEEP]

I actually think mulitiple posters will probably be in here basking in his/her glory like Green Bay won a playoff game after he struggles and the Saints win that game.

I was waiting for that yesterday

dy was one of the few ppl rooting against favre who was cool enough to hang around during game. Mad props Yooper...u obviously listen to the Herd.... 8-)

Had favre been struggln.....

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

Yes. It would be interesting to see what a healthy Bert woulda done with Ryan. It isn't like he had the opportunity to play for him...or did he? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about stepping in it.......make sure you wipe your shoes before you walk into your house..or mrs. bretsky is gonna kill you.

Rookie QB + Jets > Favre + Jets

[Bretsky]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

Yes. It would be interesting to see what a healthy Bert woulda done with Ryan. It isn't like he had the opportunity to play for him...or did he? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about stepping in it.......make sure you wipe your shoes before you walk into your house..or mrs. bretsky is gonna kill you.

Rookie QB + Jets > Favre + Jets



Rex didn't want Favre back from the start; and I hardly blame him the way it ended there.

Now in your last comparison...there you go making those assumptions that you know it all again.....or maybe you do.

Different Roster
Different Coach
Different Circumstances

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

Yes. It would be interesting to see what a healthy Bert woulda done with Ryan. It isn't like he had the opportunity to play for him...or did he? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about stepping in it.......make sure you wipe your shoes before you walk into your house..or mrs. bretsky is gonna kill you.

Rookie QB + Jets > Favre + Jets



Rex didn't want Favre back from the start; and I hardly blame him the way it ended there.

Now in your last comparison...there you go making those assumptions that you know it all again.....or maybe you do.

Different Roster
Different Coach
Different Circumstances

Rex didn't want him back? :lol:

“Anybody would want Brett Favre to be their quarterback,” Ryan said. “Not just me, but anybody. All that stuff we’ll get into later. I haven’t talked to Brett or anything yet. We’ll see how he’s feeling.”

“I know the respect that I have for Brett Favre is great and just comes from first-hand info. I’ve seen him up close and personal, and that’s enough for me.”

Ryan said he would rather play with Bert than against him. Kept BS as OC...to preserve continuity.

Care to point out where ryan said he didn't want him. Woody stated he wanted him back. Ryan stated he wanted him. Poor Bert...TT, MM, and now ryan didn't want him.

Bert had his opportunity to play for Ryan..and he PASSED. He didn't try. He didn't ask for a trade. HE RETIRED. Let's hear the excuses.

"When you reach a certain stage of life, you have to have your body in shape," Ryan said. "I think the offseason is huge."


Perhaps it was ryan's statements on the offseason that led to Bert deciding to retire. LOL

The facts are the facts. Jets + rookie QB = Playoffs.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.

[GrnBay007]

The media caused a touchdown? I thought it was the pants on the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmEVro8Fog

LOL funny stuff!

told u double-0

i knew ur sassy tail would dig it


btw, ALL the guys asked have been saying jus how awesome a teammate bert has been. schooling them during film sessions, keepn things light even befor playoff games, and overall jus being one of the guys; not that primadonna/diva BS that folk like to ascribe to him

i heard reports that he went to a lil wayne concert with harvin and some young lineman duting pre-season as a way to esatblish rapport

frickn ingenius b/c NO WAY his country tail likes that genre of music

This comes back to Patler's point that Favre has changed this year as a teammate and as a player. Accounts before this year were that Favre had grown apart from his teammates but this year he seems to be reaching out more.

The only thing I agree with is that he changed as far as not taking so many risks (interceptions). Who knows what the reason for that is. Could be he was humbled when Packers didn't want him anymore and things didn't work out with the Jets. Could be he didn't feel he had to take a team on his shoulders this year. Who knows????

As far as "accounts" that he had grown apart from teammates??? Good Lord, who knows where that came from? Did it originally start from a disgruntled Packer fan? Kinda weird those rumors were out when he was still celebrating with his teammates the way he used to. When is the last time you saw someone that is isolating themselves throwing a teammate over his back and running to the sideline?

Bad teammate....isolating....growing apart from the team? I see that as more TO behavior. I don't recall anything we, as Packer fans, saw any evidence of this. I think it was rumor that made people feel better about his leaving.

[MOBB DEEP]

Dayum, i didnt realize that brooking was actually going after favre on the sideline. I thought it was chilly

favre wanted NUTHN to do with him either; his back was CLEARLY turned

good thing coaches and jared were ther to protect Lord; they werent like simon peter, fleeing his side

[pbmax]

I'm predicting Brett to have a rough go of it this week; those lob passes won't be as easy with a Safety like Sharper waiting for them.
Or Matt Bowen.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Scheme-Session-Favre-lights-up-the-Cowboys.html

[Bretsky]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

Yes. It would be interesting to see what a healthy Bert woulda done with Ryan. It isn't like he had the opportunity to play for him...or did he? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about stepping in it.......make sure you wipe your shoes before you walk into your house..or mrs. bretsky is gonna kill you.

Rookie QB + Jets > Favre + Jets



Rex didn't want Favre back from the start; and I hardly blame him the way it ended there.

Now in your last comparison...there you go making those assumptions that you know it all again.....or maybe you do.

Different Roster
Different Coach
Different Circumstances

Rex didn't want him back? :lol:

“Anybody would want Brett Favre to be their quarterback,” Ryan said. “Not just me, but anybody. All that stuff we’ll get into later. I haven’t talked to Brett or anything yet. We’ll see how he’s feeling.”

“I know the respect that I have for Brett Favre is great and just comes from first-hand info. I’ve seen him up close and personal, and that’s enough for me.”

Ryan said he would rather play with Bert than against him. Kept BS as OC...to preserve continuity.

Care to point out where ryan said he didn't want him. Woody stated he wanted him back. Ryan stated he wanted him. Poor Bert...TT, MM, and now ryan didn't want him.

Bert had his opportunity to play for Ryan..and he PASSED. He didn't try. He didn't ask for a trade. HE RETIRED. Let's hear the excuses.

"When you reach a certain stage of life, you have to have your body in shape," Ryan said. "I think the offseason is huge."


Perhaps it was ryan's statements on the offseason that led to Bert deciding to retire. LOL

The facts are the facts. Jets + rookie QB = Playoffs.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.


You can use the mouthlanguage provided by Ryan all you want. ESPN radio is really the source for my beliefs and they noted Ryan made very little effort to contact Favre to note coaches interest in him coming back. Hardly a reliable source...neither is coaches language.

Facts are facts

Brett + Jets LAST YEAR = No Playoffs
Jets + Rookie QB THIS YEAR = Playoffs
Vikes/Jackson LAST YEAR = Playoffs
Brett + Vikes this year = NFC Title Game

[Tyrone Bigguns]

The media caused a touchdown? I thought it was the pants on the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmEVro8Fog

LOL funny stuff!

told u double-0

i knew ur sassy tail would dig it


btw, ALL the guys asked have been saying jus how awesome a teammate bert has been. schooling them during film sessions, keepn things light even befor playoff games, and overall jus being one of the guys; not that primadonna/diva BS that folk like to ascribe to him

i heard reports that he went to a lil wayne concert with harvin and some young lineman duting pre-season as a way to esatblish rapport

frickn ingenius b/c NO WAY his country tail likes that genre of music

This comes back to Patler's point that Favre has changed this year as a teammate and as a player. Accounts before this year were that Favre had grown apart from his teammates but this year he seems to be reaching out more.

The only thing I agree with is that he changed as far as not taking so many risks (interceptions). Who knows what the reason for that is. Could be he was humbled when Packers didn't want him anymore and things didn't work out with the Jets. Could be he didn't feel he had to take a team on his shoulders this year. Who knows????

As far as "accounts" that he had grown apart from teammates??? Good Lord, who knows where that came from? Did it originally start from a disgruntled Packer fan? Kinda weird those rumors were out when he was still celebrating with his teammates the way he used to. When is the last time you saw someone that is isolating themselves throwing a teammate over his back and running to the sideline?

Bad teammate....isolating....growing apart from the team? I see that as more TO behavior. I don't recall anything we, as Packer fans, saw any evidence of this. I think it was rumor that made people feel better about his leaving.

Sorry, but you just refuse to accept reality.

Bert had isolated himself. He had his own area in the lockerroom..apart from the team.

Bert had noted that he had few friends on the team...as he was older, etc.

Don't know if that makes him a bad teammate..but, it certainly doesn't make him a good one.

Celebrating on the field is no indication of his relationship with the TEAM. It represents at best his relationship with that player. Plenty of teams have had terrible relationships that were not apparent on the field.

[Joemailman]

The media caused a touchdown? I thought it was the pants on the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmEVro8Fog

LOL funny stuff!

told u double-0

i knew ur sassy tail would dig it


btw, ALL the guys asked have been saying jus how awesome a teammate bert has been. schooling them during film sessions, keepn things light even befor playoff games, and overall jus being one of the guys; not that primadonna/diva BS that folk like to ascribe to him

i heard reports that he went to a lil wayne concert with harvin and some young lineman duting pre-season as a way to esatblish rapport

frickn ingenius b/c NO WAY his country tail likes that genre of music

This comes back to Patler's point that Favre has changed this year as a teammate and as a player. Accounts before this year were that Favre had grown apart from his teammates but this year he seems to be reaching out more.

The only thing I agree with is that he changed as far as not taking so many risks (interceptions). Who knows what the reason for that is. Could be he was humbled when Packers didn't want him anymore and things didn't work out with the Jets. Could be he didn't feel he had to take a team on his shoulders this year. Who knows????

As far as "accounts" that he had grown apart from teammates??? Good Lord, who knows where that came from? Did it originally start from a disgruntled Packer fan? Kinda weird those rumors were out when he was still celebrating with his teammates the way he used to. When is the last time you saw someone that is isolating themselves throwing a teammate over his back and running to the sideline?

Bad teammate....isolating....growing apart from the team? I see that as more TO behavior. I don't recall anything we, as Packer fans, saw any evidence of this. I think it was rumor that made people feel better about his leaving.

Favre did seem to indicate that his relationship with his teammates wasn't quite the same when he spoke in his retirement press conference:

I think here in the last couple of years, that's where I've noticed, in my case, things maybe changing a little bit. You can credit it to age or whatever, but I was never really a vocal person. That hasn't changed. I always enjoyed playing the game and having fun and cracking up and things like that and I didn't do that as much. I maybe was not as good a teammate from that standpoint as I once was. Not to get away from your question, but I think that had some bearing on my decision as well.

[Scott Campbell]

Patlerized.

[Scott Campbell]

Bert had isolated himself. He had his own area in the lockerroom..apart from the team.

Bert had noted that he had few friends on the team...as he was older, etc.

Don't know if that makes him a bad teammate..but, it certainly doesn't make him a good one.

Celebrating on the field is no indication of his relationship with the TEAM. It represents at best his relationship with that player. Plenty of teams have had terrible relationships that were not apparent on the field.


If only he had "Pants On The Ground" back then, it might have been different.

[channtheman]

The media caused a touchdown? I thought it was the pants on the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONmEVro8Fog

LOL funny stuff!

told u double-0

i knew ur sassy tail would dig it


btw, ALL the guys asked have been saying jus how awesome a teammate bert has been. schooling them during film sessions, keepn things light even befor playoff games, and overall jus being one of the guys; not that primadonna/diva BS that folk like to ascribe to him

i heard reports that he went to a lil wayne concert with harvin and some young lineman duting pre-season as a way to esatblish rapport

frickn ingenius b/c NO WAY his country tail likes that genre of music

This comes back to Patler's point that Favre has changed this year as a teammate and as a player. Accounts before this year were that Favre had grown apart from his teammates but this year he seems to be reaching out more.

The only thing I agree with is that he changed as far as not taking so many risks (interceptions). Who knows what the reason for that is. Could be he was humbled when Packers didn't want him anymore and things didn't work out with the Jets. Could be he didn't feel he had to take a team on his shoulders this year. Who knows????

As far as "accounts" that he had grown apart from teammates??? Good Lord, who knows where that came from? Did it originally start from a disgruntled Packer fan? Kinda weird those rumors were out when he was still celebrating with his teammates the way he used to. When is the last time you saw someone that is isolating themselves throwing a teammate over his back and running to the sideline?

Bad teammate....isolating....growing apart from the team? I see that as more TO behavior. I don't recall anything we, as Packer fans, saw any evidence of this. I think it was rumor that made people feel better about his leaving.

I really think that in some ways Chilly has been able to keep Favre under control. Example, at the end of the half the Vikes have 2 minutes to try and move the ball. They run twice and Dallas calls timeouts, then they get a first down to the 24. They still don't try to score. To me this appears that Chilly is doing everything in his power (mainly playcalling) to keep Favre from starting to wing it around. Favre threw very few passes Sunday, Chilly wants it that way.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

Yes. It would be interesting to see what a healthy Bert woulda done with Ryan. It isn't like he had the opportunity to play for him...or did he? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about stepping in it.......make sure you wipe your shoes before you walk into your house..or mrs. bretsky is gonna kill you.

Rookie QB + Jets > Favre + Jets



Rex didn't want Favre back from the start; and I hardly blame him the way it ended there.

Now in your last comparison...there you go making those assumptions that you know it all again.....or maybe you do.

Different Roster
Different Coach
Different Circumstances

Rex didn't want him back? :lol:

“Anybody would want Brett Favre to be their quarterback,” Ryan said. “Not just me, but anybody. All that stuff we’ll get into later. I haven’t talked to Brett or anything yet. We’ll see how he’s feeling.”

“I know the respect that I have for Brett Favre is great and just comes from first-hand info. I’ve seen him up close and personal, and that’s enough for me.”

Ryan said he would rather play with Bert than against him. Kept BS as OC...to preserve continuity.

Care to point out where ryan said he didn't want him. Woody stated he wanted him back. Ryan stated he wanted him. Poor Bert...TT, MM, and now ryan didn't want him.

Bert had his opportunity to play for Ryan..and he PASSED. He didn't try. He didn't ask for a trade. HE RETIRED. Let's hear the excuses.

"When you reach a certain stage of life, you have to have your body in shape," Ryan said. "I think the offseason is huge."


Perhaps it was ryan's statements on the offseason that led to Bert deciding to retire. LOL

The facts are the facts. Jets + rookie QB = Playoffs.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.


You can use the mouthlanguage provided by Ryan all you want. ESPN radio is really the source for my beliefs and they noted Ryan made very little effort to contact Favre to note coaches interest in him coming back. Hardly a reliable source...neither is coaches language.

Facts are facts

Brett + Jets LAST YEAR = No Playoffs
Jets + Rookie QB THIS YEAR = Playoffs
Vikes/Jackson LAST YEAR = Playoffs
Brett + Vikes this year = NFC Title Game

Classic. Words from Ryan mean less than talking heads from espn.

contacting him? Ryan said he was giving him time..isn't that what Bert always wanted after the season..time to think about returning. Wasn't there criticism of TT for forcing Bert to make a decision?

Ryan also said he was contacting players alphabetically.

this is so great. Give Bert time...wrong thing to do. Contact him and find out what he is thinking..wrong thing to do.

This is your best one yet. The owner and ryan publicly laud Bert..but, it means nothing. If they disparaged him..would that also mean very little.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.
Rookie Qb + Jets = Playoffs

Jets in the championship game > Vikes in Championship game.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Bert had isolated himself. He had his own area in the lockerroom..apart from the team.

Bert had noted that he had few friends on the team...as he was older, etc.

Don't know if that makes him a bad teammate..but, it certainly doesn't make him a good one.

Celebrating on the field is no indication of his relationship with the TEAM. It represents at best his relationship with that player. Plenty of teams have had terrible relationships that were not apparent on the field.


If only he had "Pants On The Ground" back then, it might have been different.

Bert had plenty of "pants on the ground."

Ask Deanna about it. :wink:

[denverYooper]

The only thing I agree with is that he changed as far as not taking so many risks (interceptions). Who knows what the reason for that is. Could be he was humbled when Packers didn't want him anymore and things didn't work out with the Jets. Could be he didn't feel he had to take a team on his shoulders this year. Who knows????

As far as "accounts" that he had grown apart from teammates??? Good Lord, who knows where that came from? Did it originally start from a disgruntled Packer fan? Kinda weird those rumors were out when he was still celebrating with his teammates the way he used to. When is the last time you saw someone that is isolating themselves throwing a teammate over his back and running to the sideline?

Bad teammate....isolating....growing apart from the team? I see that as more TO behavior. I don't recall anything we, as Packer fans, saw any evidence of this. I think it was rumor that made people feel better about his leaving.

Thomas Jones, for one, called Favre out.

http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/01/01/thomas-jones-calls-out-brett-favre-another-teammate-calls-him/

And another Jets player who chose not to be named:


The 39-year-old quarterback is not as welcome with his teammates, according to this veteran. After the Jets traded for Favre Aug. 6, the sure Hall of Famer made no effort to ingratiate himself with the already assembled team, the veteran said. He said Favre spent most of his down time at the practice facility in an office specially designated for him near the equipment room, not with teammates in the locker room, even after the media departed.

"He never socialized with us, never went to dinner with anyone," the player said. Asked to describe Favre in a word, he said: "Distant."


Hardly disgruntled Packers fans.

If I search, I might also be able to find the interview with James Jones about how intimidating Favre was when he first came to the Packers: fairly distant off the field and hardly taking the young receiver under his wing to do film study. It wasn't stating that Favre was a bad guy, just like he didn't make a lot of effort to connect to the younger guys off of the field and that it was up to them to get to know Favre.

Even current teammate Ray Edwards had some harsh words for Favre due to Favre's recent history of dressing in his own area.
http://www.620wtmj.com/sports/billmichaels/49013611.html

So I don't think it's some wild conspiracy generated by disgruntled Packers fans. It is a pretty well-supported point of view. And, for the record, I think that the stories Mobb provides us about him actually reaching out to teammates his "Pants on the Ground" chant are great. It shows me that maybe he's regained what made him such a great player and teammate after going through a rough patch.

[Freak Out]

Anything more recent than June 18th?

[Bretsky]

[quote:74e6cbd0e4="Tyrone Bigguns"]Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

Yes. It would be interesting to see what a healthy Bert woulda done with Ryan. It isn't like he had the opportunity to play for him...or did he? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about stepping in it.......make sure you wipe your shoes before you walk into your house..or mrs. bretsky is gonna kill you.

Rookie QB + Jets > Favre + Jets



Rex didn't want Favre back from the start; and I hardly blame him the way it ended there.

Now in your last comparison...there you go making those assumptions that you know it all again.....or maybe you do.

Different Roster
Different Coach
Different Circumstances

Rex didn't want him back? :lol:

“Anybody would want Brett Favre to be their quarterback,” Ryan said. “Not just me, but anybody. All that stuff we’ll get into later. I haven’t talked to Brett or anything yet. We’ll see how he’s feeling.”

“I know the respect that I have for Brett Favre is great and just comes from first-hand info. I’ve seen him up close and personal, and that’s enough for me.”

Ryan said he would rather play with Bert than against him. Kept BS as OC...to preserve continuity.

Care to point out where ryan said he didn't want him. Woody stated he wanted him back. Ryan stated he wanted him. Poor Bert...TT, MM, and now ryan didn't want him.

Bert had his opportunity to play for Ryan..and he PASSED. He didn't try. He didn't ask for a trade. HE RETIRED. Let's hear the excuses.

"When you reach a certain stage of life, you have to have your body in shape," Ryan said. "I think the offseason is huge."


Perhaps it was ryan's statements on the offseason that led to Bert deciding to retire. LOL

The facts are the facts. Jets + rookie QB = Playoffs.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.


You can use the mouthlanguage provided by Ryan all you want. ESPN radio is really the source for my beliefs and they noted Ryan made very little effort to contact Favre to note coaches interest in him coming back. Hardly a reliable source...neither is coaches language.

Facts are facts

Brett + Jets LAST YEAR = No Playoffs
Jets + Rookie QB THIS YEAR = Playoffs
Vikes/Jackson LAST YEAR = Playoffs
Brett + Vikes this year = NFC Title Game

Classic. Words from Ryan mean less than talking heads from espn.

contacting him? Ryan said he was giving him time..isn't that what Bert always wanted after the season..time to think about returning. Wasn't there criticism of TT for forcing Bert to make a decision?

Ryan also said he was contacting players alphabetically.

this is so great. Give Bert time...wrong thing to do. Contact him and find out what he is thinking..wrong thing to do.

This is your best one yet. The owner and ryan publicly laud Bert..but, it means nothing. If they disparaged him..would that also mean very little.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.
Rookie Qb + Jets = Playoffs

Jets in the championship game > Vikes in Championship game.[/quote:74e6cbd0e4]


Ty is smart enough to know he could come up with numerous examples of coach spin talk if it fit his argument. Only Ty knows what means more or less. Ty knows Brett Favre needs to feel wanted and get his but kissed a bit to return but that does not fit your argument so choose the logic you want to use for your point. It really doesn't matter whether Ryan wanted Brett Favre back anyways. I'm done with this. As always you can now go ahead and make the last post so you have the last straw.

[denverYooper]

I actually think mulitiple posters will probably be in here basking in his/her glory like Green Bay won a playoff game after he struggles and the Saints win that game.

I was waiting for that yesterday

dy was one of the few ppl rooting against favre who was cool enough to hang around during game. Mad props Yooper...u obviously listen to the Herd.... 8-)

Had favre been struggln.....

Thanks Mobb.

One of my best friends was a huge Vikings fan and we used to have some great, pretty heated banter going on during games. Win or lose, it made the games more entertaining, ya know?

My boss, a bandwagon Vikings fan, knows that I'm a Packers fan and needles me all the time. I can't wait until the Packers are back on top so I can return the favor :).

And the best part is it goes back and forth. One year the Packers are better, the next the Vikings. I'm glad that the Vikings are usually pretty good. That just makes it more entertaining.

[Pugger]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

Yes. It would be interesting to see what a healthy Bert woulda done with Ryan. It isn't like he had the opportunity to play for him...or did he? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about stepping in it.......make sure you wipe your shoes before you walk into your house..or mrs. bretsky is gonna kill you.

Rookie QB + Jets > Favre + Jets



Rex didn't want Favre back from the start; and I hardly blame him the way it ended there.

Now in your last comparison...there you go making those assumptions that you know it all again.....or maybe you do.

Different Roster
Different Coach
Different Circumstances

Rex didn't want him back? :lol:

“Anybody would want Brett Favre to be their quarterback,” Ryan said. “Not just me, but anybody. All that stuff we’ll get into later. I haven’t talked to Brett or anything yet. We’ll see how he’s feeling.”

“I know the respect that I have for Brett Favre is great and just comes from first-hand info. I’ve seen him up close and personal, and that’s enough for me.”

Ryan said he would rather play with Bert than against him. Kept BS as OC...to preserve continuity.

Care to point out where ryan said he didn't want him. Woody stated he wanted him back. Ryan stated he wanted him. Poor Bert...TT, MM, and now ryan didn't want him.

Bert had his opportunity to play for Ryan..and he PASSED. He didn't try. He didn't ask for a trade. HE RETIRED. Let's hear the excuses.

"When you reach a certain stage of life, you have to have your body in shape," Ryan said. "I think the offseason is huge."


Perhaps it was ryan's statements on the offseason that led to Bert deciding to retire. LOL

The facts are the facts. Jets + rookie QB = Playoffs.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.

I remember in an interview not long after #4 'retired' yet again Favre said he could never go and play for another team again. He couldn't do that to the owner of the Jets after how wonderful they were to him and his family. After the Jets drafted Sanchez old #4 asked for his release and we all know what happened after that.

[denverYooper]

Anything more recent than June 18th?

"Pants on the Ground" :P

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Ty is smart enough to know he could come up with numerous examples of coach spin talk if it fit his argument. Only Ty knows what means more or less. Ty knows Brett Favre needs to feel wanted and get his but kissed a bit to return but that does not fit your argument so choose the logic you want to use for your point. It really doesn't matter whether Ryan wanted Brett Favre back anyways. I'm done with this. As always you can now go ahead and make the last post so you have the last straw.

Except YOU made the statement that Ryan didn't want Favre. Yet, you have no proof. You can't post any statements.

Ty has the facts:
1. Ryan's statements
2. Woody's statements
3. Favre retired
4. Favre hasn't thrown Ryan under the bus

The evidence doesn't favor you.

The only one spinning is you. You postulated what would happen with Favre and Ryan. Favre retired. You spin it that Ryan didn't want him. Spin.

Favre wants his butt kissed? You mean like the statements Ryan made about him..oh, no..those mean nothing. LOL

Keep it up dreidel.

[Pugger]

And wasn't Favre not exactly chummy with Jennings at first? I remember reading an article of an interview of Jennings not long ago and evidently #4 was very aloof towards Jennings and all rookies. From what you are all saying is Favre has changed and is much different towards his purple teammates? Maybe that's because he is where he has wanted to be for a while now so now he is happy.

[Pugger]

Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

Yes. It would be interesting to see what a healthy Bert woulda done with Ryan. It isn't like he had the opportunity to play for him...or did he? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about stepping in it.......make sure you wipe your shoes before you walk into your house..or mrs. bretsky is gonna kill you.

Rookie QB + Jets > Favre + Jets



Rex didn't want Favre back from the start; and I hardly blame him the way it ended there.

Now in your last comparison...there you go making those assumptions that you know it all again.....or maybe you do.

Different Roster
Different Coach
Different Circumstances

Rex didn't want him back? :lol:

“Anybody would want Brett Favre to be their quarterback,” Ryan said. “Not just me, but anybody. All that stuff we’ll get into later. I haven’t talked to Brett or anything yet. We’ll see how he’s feeling.”

“I know the respect that I have for Brett Favre is great and just comes from first-hand info. I’ve seen him up close and personal, and that’s enough for me.”

Ryan said he would rather play with Bert than against him. Kept BS as OC...to preserve continuity.

Care to point out where ryan said he didn't want him. Woody stated he wanted him back. Ryan stated he wanted him. Poor Bert...TT, MM, and now ryan didn't want him.

Bert had his opportunity to play for Ryan..and he PASSED. He didn't try. He didn't ask for a trade. HE RETIRED. Let's hear the excuses.

"When you reach a certain stage of life, you have to have your body in shape," Ryan said. "I think the offseason is huge."


Perhaps it was ryan's statements on the offseason that led to Bert deciding to retire. LOL

The facts are the facts. Jets + rookie QB = Playoffs.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.

I remember in an interview not long after #4 'retired' yet again Favre said he said could never go and play for another team again. He couldn't do that to the owner of the Jets after how wonderful they were to him and his family. After the Jets drafted Sanchez old #4 asked for his release and we all know what happened after that.

[woodbuck27]

[quote:4524b6c2a0="Packerarcher"][quote:4524b6c2a0="Tyrone Bigguns"]Basic Math

Jets - Bert = Playoffs

Yes because that's the only change in the Jets org this year. :roll:


I love it when some of you start spewing stats when defending him. The only stat that matters is the one in the win column. If Rodgers keeps playing the way he has been that stat will be close to last years. Granted the line isn't great,but great QB's find a way to win.


Correction:

Jets - Bert = AFC championship game

And

Vikings + Favre = NFC Championship Game

Vikings + Tjack = Playoffs

Favre + Jets = Sitting at home


Ah, here I thought you were talking present tense...so I thought I'd add the other facts that you left out.

But this year....You have no idea...well perhaps you do know

..that a healthy Favre with the Jets this year and Rex Ryan would be sitting at home.....and the Vikes plus TJack would be in the playoffs........but like I said.......maybe you do know circumstances

Yes. It would be interesting to see what a healthy Bert woulda done with Ryan. It isn't like he had the opportunity to play for him...or did he? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Talk about stepping in it.......make sure you wipe your shoes before you walk into your house..or mrs. bretsky is gonna kill you.

Rookie QB + Jets > Favre + Jets



Rex didn't want Favre back from the start; and I hardly blame him the way it ended there.

Now in your last comparison...there you go making those assumptions that you know it all again.....or maybe you do.

Different Roster
Different Coach
Different Circumstances

Rex didn't want him back? :lol:

“Anybody would want Brett Favre to be their quarterback,” Ryan said. “Not just me, but anybody. All that stuff we’ll get into later. I haven’t talked to Brett or anything yet. We’ll see how he’s feeling.”

“I know the respect that I have for Brett Favre is great and just comes from first-hand info. I’ve seen him up close and personal, and that’s enough for me.”

Ryan said he would rather play with Bert than against him. Kept BS as OC...to preserve continuity.

Care to point out where ryan said he didn't want him. Woody stated he wanted him back. Ryan stated he wanted him. Poor Bert...TT, MM, and now ryan didn't want him.

Bert had his opportunity to play for Ryan..and he PASSED. He didn't try. He didn't ask for a trade. HE RETIRED. Let's hear the excuses.

"When you reach a certain stage of life, you have to have your body in shape," Ryan said. "I think the offseason is huge."


Perhaps it was ryan's statements on the offseason that led to Bert deciding to retire. LOL

The facts are the facts. Jets + rookie QB = Playoffs.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.


You can use the mouthlanguage provided by Ryan all you want. ESPN radio is really the source for my beliefs and they noted Ryan made very little effort to contact Favre to note coaches interest in him coming back. Hardly a reliable source...neither is coaches language.

Facts are facts

Brett + Jets LAST YEAR = No Playoffs
Jets + Rookie QB THIS YEAR = Playoffs
Vikes/Jackson LAST YEAR = Playoffs
Brett + Vikes this year = NFC Title Game

Classic. Words from Ryan mean less than talking heads from espn.

contacting him? Ryan said he was giving him time..isn't that what Bert always wanted after the season..time to think about returning. Wasn't there criticism of TT for forcing Bert to make a decision?

Ryan also said he was contacting players alphabetically.

this is so great. Give Bert time...wrong thing to do. Contact him and find out what he is thinking..wrong thing to do.

This is your best one yet. The owner and ryan publicly laud Bert..but, it means nothing. If they disparaged him..would that also mean very little.

Bert + Jets = No playoffs.
Rookie Qb + Jets = Playoffs

Jets in the championship game > Vikes in Championship game.[/quote:4524b6c2a0]


Ty is smart enough to know he could come up with numerous examples of coach spin talk if it fit his argument. Only Ty knows what means more or less. Ty knows Brett Favre needs to feel wanted and get his but kissed a bit to return but that does not fit your argument so choose the logic you want to use for your point. It really doesn't matter whether Ryan wanted Brett Favre back anyways. I'm done with this. As always you can now go ahead and make the last post so you have the last straw.[/quote:4524b6c2a0]

Rex Ryan made it clear that if Favre wanted to return for the 2009 season 'of course' that would be welcome by the Jets. This was the Jets position prior to the 2009 draft.

In response to this and to enable the Jets to be well prepared for the draft. Brett Favre made it quite clear that the Jets should move forward and not count on his services as their QB in 2009. Favre was in terms of his past. Up front with the Jets organization.He didn't plan to continue as the Jets starting QB.

The rest as it transpired in terms of Favre's decision to return to the game as the Vikings QB is a story very much highlighted by several Viking star players wanting Favre to be their starting QB. Favre felt wanted by the Vikings and 'of course' he needed that. He felt wanted and that added to his purpose. The man's human.

So what have we witnessed.? We have seen Favre have arguably his best season performance wise in his career. He will lead his team to another NFC Championship game. No game will be bigger for the Favre Legend. The Vikings team players full well know what is at stake for Brett Favre and the Vikings team and organization. Brett Favre won't be concerned about what Packer Nation thinks of him and his team. Favre will only be trying to do what he has done so capably over his long career.

Win another football game. I believe he will. :D

Good Luck Brett Favre and the Minnesota Vikings but most of all. As an NFL fan I want to see a tremendous football game when the Vikings play the Saints.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I remember in an interview not long after #4 'retired' yet again Favre said he could never go and play for another team again. He couldn't do that to the owner of the Jets after how wonderful they were to him and his family. After the Jets drafted Sanchez old #4 asked for his release and we all know what happened after that.

Exactly.

The only people that don't know what happened are the same type of people that willfully ignore that their spouse is cheating on them.

"the hotel receipts, the lipstick on the collar, the mysterious hangups...nah, he/she isn't cheating."

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Well, folks, it has been nice knowing you all. Woody essentially agreeing with Ty is well known as a precursor to the apocalypse.

[esoxx]

As always you can now go ahead and make the last post so you have the last strawman argument.

Fixed.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As always you can now go ahead and make the last post so you have the last strawman argument.

Fixed.

Apparently you nor Bretsky understand what a strawman argument is. :oops:

[esoxx]

As always you can now go ahead and make the last post so you have the last strawman argument.

Fixed.

Apparently you nor Bretsky understand what a strawman argument is. :oops:

Strawman

[Tyrone Bigguns]

As always you can now go ahead and make the last post so you have the last strawman argument.

Fixed.

Apparently you nor Bretsky understand what a strawman argument is. :oops:

Strawman

You just proved Ty's point. :lol:

[channtheman]

ROFL

[GrnBay007]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

[Tyrone Bigguns]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

Translation:

I'm a baby and will just stick my hands over my ears.

[channtheman]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

That's partly why I've come to not be so angry with Favre. There is proof that Favre did some stupid things and the whole entire Greta interview turned me off towards him, but we don't really know what happened exactly.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

That's partly why I've come to not be so angry with Favre. There is proof that Favre did some stupid things and the whole entire Greta interview turned me off towards him, but we don't really know what happened exactly.

Do we know what happened with the Jets?

You are starting to disappoint me chann. Keep it up and the sig gets changed.

[esoxx]

Man straw

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Man straw

You really are bad at this.

[esoxx]

That's a good thing.

[Bossman641]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

Not one Favre fan has been able to answer this.

Why in the world would you have any reason to believe that the organization somehow horribly wronged Favre and we don't have the whole story? He said and did everything possible to get his way. Lobbed out every half-story possible to try and get public support. And yet he refused to play his ace in the hole? Please.

[Scott Campbell]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

Not one Favre fan has been able to answer this.

Why in the world would you have any reason to believe that the organization somehow horribly wronged Favre and we don't have the whole story? He said and did everything possible to get his way. Lobbed out every half-story possible to try and get public support. And yet he refused to play his ace in the hole? Please.




And then he pulled the exact same stunt the next year in NY. He's shown no character or loyalty for anyone but himself. If they Vikings win the Superbowl, his despicable behavior will have been rewarded.

So I'm a Saints fan this weekend.

[Scott Campbell]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?



You can't handle the truth!!!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_A0F9qTwBOq4/SDhy0rGNnqI/AAAAAAAAAew/ZG3b-z3I-2E/s400/jacktruth.jpg

[GrnBay007]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

Translation:

I'm a baby and will just stick my hands over my ears.

Translation:

Ty is a know it all that resorts to belittling people all the time at PR.

[Scott Campbell]

We love ya 007. We just don't like Bert.

[GrnBay007]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

Not one Favre fan has been able to answer this.

Why in the world would you have any reason to believe that the organization somehow horribly wronged Favre and we don't have the whole story? He said and did everything possible to get his way. Lobbed out every half-story possible to try and get public support. And yet he refused to play his ace in the hole? Please.

I never once said the organization "wronged" Favre. What I've said from the beginning is NOBODY here was there. NOBODY here can say they know the whole story. Yet, so many here are eager to paint a horrible picture of Favre.......after loving him as QB for the Packers all those years.

And really when it's all said and done the Packers did not want him anymore. PERIOD! He wanted to continue to play.............and as the story played out it ended up to be for the Vikings. Is that really a reason to hate on the guy? Let it go people. You say he means nothing to you anymore so why do you care what team he plays for? The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish.

[MJZiggy]

But like Boss said, the way Brett was talking about anything he could think of at the time what leads you to believe there was anything held back? I surely didn't see any indication that he was going to respect the privacy of any conversations or anything that went down? I think if there'd been more to say, there would have been another Greta interview.

Maybe the Packers didn't say all they could have, but I've seen nothing to make me believe that Brett held one innuendo away from a hungry media all focused on him.

[gex]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

Not one Favre fan has been able to answer this.

Why in the world would you have any reason to believe that the organization somehow horribly wronged Favre and we don't have the whole story? He said and did everything possible to get his way. Lobbed out every half-story possible to try and get public support. And yet he refused to play his ace in the hole? Please.

I never once said the organization "wronged" Favre. What I've said from the beginning is NOBODY here was there. NOBODY here can say they know the whole story. Yet, so many here are eager to paint a horrible picture of Favre.......after loving him as QB for the Packers all those years.

And really when it's all said and done the Packers did not want him anymore. PERIOD! He wanted to continue to play.............and as the story played out it ended up to be for the Vikings. Is that really a reason to hate on the guy? Let it go people. You say he means nothing to you anymore so why do you care what team he plays for? The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish.

:bclap:

[packerbacker1234]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

Not one Favre fan has been able to answer this.

Why in the world would you have any reason to believe that the organization somehow horribly wronged Favre and we don't have the whole story? He said and did everything possible to get his way. Lobbed out every half-story possible to try and get public support. And yet he refused to play his ace in the hole? Please.




And then he pulled the exact same stunt the next year in NY. He's shown no character or loyalty for anyone but himself. If they Vikings win the Superbowl, his despicable behavior will have been rewarded.

So I'm a Saints fan this weekend.

News flash: First and foremost, every player cares about themselves. Look at Kurt Warner, been a journey man his whole career. TO, hell even Donald Driver, who I respect, if he retired and tried to come back, was shown the door, would gladly go play elsewhere.

Fact remains, we seem to hold players to this ungodly standard that they are somehow different then every other human being out there. We all care about ourselves first, then family, etc etc. Just saying, I can't hate favre because he was so indecisive on retirement, and when it became clear that the packers didn't want him back that he wanted to go to Minnesota. As has been proven this eyar, it was the perfect fit for him to try and get back to teh super bowl.

I am sure if he decided to come back (like in 2007) and the packers immediately opened their arms to it, none of this drama would of went down. fact is, the packers didn't want him back, and after Favre saw that, he magically became a man caring for himself.

Just saying, thats the way we all were. Look at Joe Montana. He came back off injury, and I am sure as hell he wanted his job back. It ended badly and he went to KC, where he proved he was still as good as he ever was.

This isn't the first time it happened. Problem is that the media loves the guy so much they wont leave him alone. The whole will he wont he thing has been going on sinc elike, 2003, and it was the media pressing the issue, not favre.

[MJZiggy]

Nice clapping, but he was offered the opportunity to come in and compete for the job. He rejected the Packers. Let's remember that, shall we?

[mmmdk]

Nice clapping, but he was offered the opportunity to come in and compete for the job. He rejected the Packers. Let's remember that, shall we?

You go girl - spot on !

With that said; how does Brett only throw 7 ints. in (now) 17 games this season? Never done in GB or NY for that matter. The guy is so unpredictable.

[gex]

Nice clapping, but he was offered the opportunity to come in and compete for the job. He rejected the Packers. Let's remember that, shall we?
NO. Thats the line they fed to you and you swallowed it whole. All the while letting it be known in as many ways possible that they were moving on.

[MJZiggy]

And you know it's not true because...

That's actually part of the point. Some folks on here refuse to believe your argument that you don't know for sure all the bad stuff that happened, but on the flip side, you refuse to believe in the possibility that some of it (even the stuff with some foundation to it) could possibly be true. It is quite possible he was quite the manipulative ass and just as you say that can't be PROVEN, you refuse to consider it even when evidence leans that way.

At the end of Favre's stint in GB, he had a separate locker room and rarely interacted with any but a select couple of players (look at how he treated Rodgers and Jennings)--he even said so straight up and the news reports out of the Jets backed that notion up completely, yet you either try to excuse it or completely ignore it. You can choose to root for your team's biggest rival for some reason, but to suggest that those who are so unhappy with him have no cause is simply not true and a tad disingenuous. Patler gave a very well-thought out analysis that points out details to support his argument and the best you've got is "we don't know what happened." Exactly what do you think Favre left out while he was trying so desperately to villify the organization?

He dissed my team in the past and at present looks very much like an arrogant attention seeker. I see no humility. I like who Brett Favre was. I don't like who he is. I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

[gex]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish. :lol:

[Packers4Ever]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

That's partly why I've come to not be so angry with Favre. There is proof that Favre did some stupid things and the whole entire Greta interview turned me off towards him, but we don't really know what happened exactly.



Regardless of what happened at the Greta interview, we really don't know much at all of what's happened on each side the past 2 years. Who cares? IMO Favre played the best game of his career this past Sunday, I hope he can go on playing as long as he's able and wishes to. Sure didn't look like a retiree to me !! :wink:

[denverYooper]

The old man sure can still generate a few clicks, eh?

[Bossman641]

He dissed my team in the past and at present looks very much like an arrogant attention seeker. I see no humility. I like who Brett Favre was. I don't like who he is. I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

Agreed. Except this is close enough now. He needs to go out Sunday and embarass himself.

[Guiness]

Don't know if this is considered OT for this thread...

What's up with AP? The Vikings don't seem to be going to him much, late in the season, and now in the first playoff game. A blowout win like that, you would expect a few more touches. His avg was low as well.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

Translation:

I'm a baby and will just stick my hands over my ears.

Translation:

Ty is a know it all that resorts to belittling people all the time at PR.

Knows it all?

You asked about Bert and his relationship with his teammates. Evidence was presented..including Bert's own words.

And, you responded with "whatever."

Translation:

I have nothing so i will attack Bigguns. Ad hominem attack because i can't refute the evidence.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

That's a good thing.

Ignorance is bliss.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

Not one Favre fan has been able to answer this.

Why in the world would you have any reason to believe that the organization somehow horribly wronged Favre and we don't have the whole story? He said and did everything possible to get his way. Lobbed out every half-story possible to try and get public support. And yet he refused to play his ace in the hole? Please.

I never once said the organization "wronged" Favre. What I've said from the beginning is NOBODY here was there. NOBODY here can say they know the whole story. Yet, so many here are eager to paint a horrible picture of Favre.......after loving him as QB for the Packers all those years.

And really when it's all said and done the Packers did not want him anymore. PERIOD! He wanted to continue to play.............and as the story played out it ended up to be for the Vikings. Is that really a reason to hate on the guy? Let it go people. You say he means nothing to you anymore so why do you care what team he plays for? The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish.

We don't need to know the whole story. We have enough to make judgements.

And, we didn't paint the picture. Bert is a performance artist who created himself.

Let's review:

1. Repeatedly cheated on Deanna.
2. Vicodin addiction...didn't want to abide by NFL rules regarding drinking.
3. Alcoholic.
4. Repeatedly said he would retire rather than leave GB
5. Continuously waffled on his retirement
6. Threw teammates under the bus
7. Openly undermined his GM's authority
8. Retired and then wanted his job back. In the real world, when you leave you don't get your job back
9. Was a poor teammate with the pack and the jets
10. Hurt the jets by continuing to play despite being injured
11. "Retired" from the jets and then unretired to play for the vikes. Thus lying to his employer and denying them fair compensation for his services
12. Thew Mangini under the Bus
13. Gave info to the Lions

Those are the facts. None of which can be disputed. Noting them doesn't mean we hate Bert. Just as noting he is a 3 time MVP doesn't mean Ty loves him.

P.S. The one looking childish is you.

[Pugger]

And you know it's not true because...

That's actually part of the point. Some folks on here refuse to believe your argument that you don't know for sure all the bad stuff that happened, but on the flip side, you refuse to believe in the possibility that some of it (even the stuff with some foundation to it) could possibly be true. It is quite possible he was quite the manipulative ass and just as you say that can't be PROVEN, you refuse to consider it even when evidence leans that way.

At the end of Favre's stint in GB, he had a separate locker room and rarely interacted with any but a select couple of players (look at how he treated Rodgers and Jennings)--he even said so straight up and the news reports out of the Jets backed that notion up completely, yet you either try to excuse it or completely ignore it. You can choose to root for your team's biggest rival for some reason, but to suggest that those who are so unhappy with him have no cause is simply not true and a tad disingenuous. Patler gave a very well-thought out analysis that points out details to support his argument and the best you've got is "we don't know what happened." Exactly what do you think Favre left out while he was trying so desperately to villify the organization?

He dissed my team in the past and at present looks very much like an arrogant attention seeker. I see no humility. I like who Brett Favre was. I don't like who he is. I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

+1

The Favre fanatics only look at the situation in one light -> Favre was the victim here and the Packers threw him out the door without giving him a chance to return. If we bring up compelling evidence to the contrary you say we fans don't really know what went down but you are all too willing to believe that Favre was wronged and you dismiss any notion that Favre orchestrated the entire affair. I too suspect Favre was/is a manipulative ass who wanted out of Green Bay to play for our most hated rival. Why else would he quit on a team just weeks removed from playing in the NFC Championship game?

[Gunakor]

WHATEVER!! Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?

FACT is NOBODY here knows what happened behind the scenes at the Packer organization. Speculate all you want.....paint as dim of pic as you want.

I am grateful for being able to watch one of the greatest football players ever play for the Packers......and I will enjoy watching him finish his career....on whatever team it may be. Here's to another ring....GO BRETT!!

You're right. None of us know for certain everything that was said and done leading up to Favre's departure from Green Bay. That also includes you. You give him the benefit of the doubt, and there's nothing wrong with that. The guy did alot for Green Bay while he was a Packer, and that's not strictly limited to his abilities on a football field. But giving him the benefit of the doubt doesn't erase the doubt itself, and many of us are not so willing to give him that benefit. Could we agree that it's just as likely that the rumors are true as it is that the rumors are false? If so, then surely we can agree that there is every bit as much reason to have turned on him as there is reason to remain in his corner. To each his/her own.

We can agree that Favre was one of the greatest football players ever to play for the Packers. I loved watching him play while he was a Packer. But my loyalty is reserved for the team I support. I will always stand behind the Packers. I will ONLY stand behind the Packers. I'm with Nick Barnett on this one. Either you're with us or against us. Last I checked, Favre ain't with us no more. So he's against us. And I am against him. The day the door closed behind him at 1265 was the day my support for him ended.

Wether he was pushed out or walked out on his own is inconsequential as far as I'm concerned. That's simply adding grey to a black and white situation. The bottom line - and the only line that matters IMO - is that he's not here anymore. Even if you don't agree with that perspective, certainly you can understand how some could feel that way. It's all about the G. It's ONLY about the G.

[GrnBay007]

The bottom line - and the only line that matters IMO - is that he's not here anymore. Even if you don't agree with that perspective, certainly you can understand how some could feel that way. It's all about the G. It's ONLY about the G.

I respect that and that some have no desire to follow his career anymore. I've never promoted all packer fans to continue to support Brett. My only problem is the hatred that is continued to be expressed.

[Packerarcher]

I get the biggest kick out of the majority of Favre bashers on here that say you could care less he is gone and the team is better off. Yet you call him a traitor and bash him every chance you get.

[Pugger]

This 'hatred' that you say we feel is more like a feeling of betrayal. I and others feel he wanted out just when we were at the doorstep of great things and fanagled his way to join our most hated rival. Most of us loved the guy and now we feel like he turned his back on us and our team by quitting and is now playing for one of the teams that Packer fans loathe. You feel Brett was wronged and still think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. You seem to have no problem with him playing in MN and it irks the rest of us to no end that you aren't bothered by this in the least. This, I believe, is what is behind this division in Packer Nation.

[ThunderDan]

I get the biggest kick out of the majority of Favre bashers on here that say you could care less he is gone and the team is better off. Yet you call him a traitor and bash him every chance you get.

He plays for the Minnesota Vikings. I think that pretty much sums it up. I was fine when he went to the Jets.

[Bossman641]

I get the biggest kick out of the majority of Favre bashers on here that say you could care less he is gone and the team is better off. Yet you call him a traitor and bash him every chance you get.

He plays for the Minnesota Vikings. I think that pretty much sums it up. I was fine when he went to the Jets.

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[mngolf19]

Don't know if this is considered OT for this thread...

What's up with AP? The Vikings don't seem to be going to him much, late in the season, and now in the first playoff game. A blowout win like that, you would expect a few more touches. His avg was low as well.

Guiness, they've become a pass first team this year. When they didn't have this good a QB, they were a run first team.

[retailguy]

I wondered who was going to become the new "partial" and argue threads to the death. Thanks ThunderDan, I needed a good laugh today! :D This whole discussion was a riot. LMAO.

Way to be a complete ass!!! But no surprise coming from you!! :oops: :roll:

LMAO... ThunderDan, I seem to remember a bunch of folks here saying that when Partial got called out, he responded with personal attacks. (Probably even called a few people "asses"). :wink:

Nonetheless, all kidding aside, thanks for the laugh. I've had a rough day and reading your relentless defense made me laugh, something that I didn't think was possible today.
Why push the Partial angle? Can't we just tell him he has gone too far?

And yes TDan, you are going to far.

don't know how I missed this. simple. when i read this whole exchange it reminded me of previous partial arguments. i saw that many others including the admin tried your idea PB, and it fell flat as TD continued to argue away... why would I do the same thing? that makes no sense. then when I got the rebuttal above, i sincerely busted out laughing b/c it is EXACTLY what partial did. attack the messenger. that's how he turned virtually all his friends against him.

i saw similarities. still do. TD - it wasn't a personal attack. It was a COMPARISON. There's a difference. A personal attack is when you call somebody an "ass". :wink: A comparison is the representing of one thing or person as similar to or like another... hope that clears it up.

[Freak Out]

Pants on the ground...... :lol:

Brookings sounds like a little bitch dog pulled from the teat for the first time. :lol:

[Zool]

Pants on the ground...... :lol:

Brookings sounds like a little bitch dog pulled from the teat for the first time. :lol:

Yeah he's a crying bitch, but the football Gods do not look kindly on running up the score. Ask the '07 Patriots about 18-1.

[Freak Out]

Pants on the ground...... :lol:

Brookings sounds like a little bitch dog pulled from the teat for the first time. :lol:

Yeah he's a crying bitch, but the football Gods do not look kindly on running up the score. Ask the '07 Patriots about 18-1.

Karma.......if the Saints humiliate old #4 what tune will he sing then?

[Zool]

Pants on the ground...... :lol:

Brookings sounds like a little bitch dog pulled from the teat for the first time. :lol:

Yeah he's a crying bitch, but the football Gods do not look kindly on running up the score. Ask the '07 Patriots about 18-1.

Karma.......if the Saints humiliate old #4 what tune will he sing then?

I suppose it depends on if the Saints are passing late in the 4th with a 4 score lead? Its probably quite different when you are the one getting your ass kicked instead of just watching it happen.

[CaptainKickass]

I am childish

I am an ass

I am bitter

I am hateful/spiteful

I am competitive

I am human

I want to see Bert & crew get humiliated in New Orleans.

Please.

[MichiganPackerFan]

"To the pit with those bloodthirsty sons of whores!"

i love u

You slut. Just the other day you were proposing to me...

ever heard of down low brothers? if not google

need u both!

DAMN that is funny!!!

(Trying to catch up on this thread. Don't know how you all did 20 pages of damage to it over the weekend, unless it turned into a game thread. Otherwise it's like the old JSO AP Top 40 that BF4MVP started...)

[MichiganPackerFan]

Classless TD by the Vikings! Not surprising!

Honestly, Dan, this game reminds me of the week 17 Packers/Cardinals game.

Were the Packers classless too?

It was absolutely classless going for the 4th TD.

Cards-Pack different story in week 17: Wisenhunts strategy was not to show up play at all, by no means does that mean that he chooses to make GB sit too. Now had they showed up to play, and GB would be throwing with 2 minutes left it would be classless also.

[MichiganPackerFan]

We love ya 007. We just don't like Bert.

Ditto

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I wondered who was going to become the new "partial" and argue threads to the death. Thanks ThunderDan, I needed a good laugh today! :D This whole discussion was a riot. LMAO.

Way to be a complete ass!!! But no surprise coming from you!! :oops: :roll:

LMAO... ThunderDan, I seem to remember a bunch of folks here saying that when Partial got called out, he responded with personal attacks. (Probably even called a few people "asses"). :wink:

Nonetheless, all kidding aside, thanks for the laugh. I've had a rough day and reading your relentless defense made me laugh, something that I didn't think was possible today.
Why push the Partial angle? Can't we just tell him he has gone too far?

And yes TDan, you are going to far.

don't know how I missed this. simple. when i read this whole exchange it reminded me of previous partial arguments. i saw that many others including the admin tried your idea PB, and it fell flat as TD continued to argue away... why would I do the same thing? that makes no sense. then when I got the rebuttal above, i sincerely busted out laughing b/c it is EXACTLY what partial did. attack the messenger. that's how he turned virtually all his friends against him.

i saw similarities. still do. TD - it wasn't a personal attack. It was a COMPARISON. There's a difference. A personal attack is when you call somebody an "ass". :wink: A comparison is the representing of one thing or person as similar to or like another... hope that clears it up.

Way to become the new "partial".

[b bulldog]

He DID the same thing in Minny against GB when the game was all but over. The pass fell incomplete but that play was one of the plays that Chilly got pissed about because Chilly called a run. He is a classless ass who needs to pat his playoff numbers.

[channtheman]

The bottom line - and the only line that matters IMO - is that he's not here anymore. Even if you don't agree with that perspective, certainly you can understand how some could feel that way. It's all about the G. It's ONLY about the G.

I respect that and that some have no desire to follow his career anymore. I've never promoted all packer fans to continue to support Brett. My only problem is the hatred that is continued to be expressed.

And that's mainly what I've stopped doing. I no longer hate Favre. I wouldn't classify myself as a Favre fan, I am merely indifferent to him now.

[packerbacker1234]

He DID the same thing in Minny against GB when the game was all but over. The pass fell incomplete but that play was one of the plays that Chilly got pissed about because Chilly called a run. He is a classless ass who needs to pat his playoff numbers.

His playoff numbers are fine. Chilly defended the play, and had good reason. People were picking minnesota to get blown out all week, and CHILLY didn't pull his starters.

Say what you want about the play, but I don't feel it's classless. As I say: This is football. It's 60 minutes. Either come to play 60 minutes or go home.

Dallas went home. We lost earlier.

Don't like it? Stop it. If you can't, then why shouldn't they do it? Respect? No one has showed Minnesota respect going into teh game. Plus, "respect" doesn't win football games.

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/82006162.html

[MOBB DEEP]

Classless TD by the Vikings! Not surprising!

Honestly, Dan, this game reminds me of the week 17 Packers/Cardinals game.

Were the Packers classless too?

It was absolutely classless going for the 4th TD.

Cards-Pack different story in week 17: Wisenhunts strategy was not to show up play at all, by no means does that mean that he chooses to make GB sit too. Now had they showed up to play, and GB would be throwing with 2 minutes left it would be classless also.

as u may have discovered Mich, it DID become game thread

and i was kinda wasted by night fall

[MOBB DEEP]

I no longer hate Favre. I wouldn't classify myself as a Favre fan, I am merely indifferent to him now.

ALMOST there grasshoopper :lol:

I will be relentless like a jehova's witness until u come back from the darkside

im in the biz of saving souls for Lord Favre

Whats wrong with me? too much idle time i guess

[MJZiggy]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish. :lol:

Care to address the actual content of the post? Prove to me using my post why there's no justification for a little bitterness. Hate is too strong a word.

[GrnBay007]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish. :lol:

Care to address the actual content of the post? Prove to me using my post why there's no justification for a little bitterness. Hate is too strong a word.

Bitterness causes a person to be unhappy. Why choose to be unhappy?


:D

[GrnBay007]

Opening line.....

Saints favored slightly. High scoring game predicted.


NEW ORLEANS 4 Minnesota 53

[ICU81MI]

I started out wild card weekend with an giant 0 and 4 (my eagles fell apart) , I can say with confidence that if Minne's pass rush is anywhere near as effective this week as it was last, they will run away with the thing.

[gex]

I started out wild card weekend with an giant 0 and 4 (my eagles fell apart) , I can say with confidence that if Minne's pass rush is anywhere near as effective this week as it was last, they will run away with the thing.
+1

[Tyrone Bigguns]

He DID the same thing in Minny against GB when the game was all but over. The pass fell incomplete but that play was one of the plays that Chilly got pissed about because Chilly called a run. He is a classless ass who needs to pat his playoff numbers.

His playoff numbers are fine. Chilly defended the play, and had good reason. People were picking minnesota to get blown out all week, and CHILLY didn't pull his starters.

Say what you want about the play, but I don't feel it's classless. As I say: This is football. It's 60 minutes. Either come to play 60 minutes or go home.

Dallas went home. We lost earlier.

Don't like it? Stop it. If you can't, then why shouldn't they do it? Respect? No one has showed Minnesota respect going into teh game. Plus, "respect" doesn't win football games.

Classless or not, it was stupid.

Nobody can defend having Favre in the game with that type of lead.

Pure and simple, it was for his personal accomplishments...Favre over team goals.

[GrnBay007]

Favre over team goals.

Really? How do you know that? You must have inside info. :roll:

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Favre over team goals.

Really? How do you know that? You must have inside info. :roll:

Inside info like Bert not wanting to come out of games? Inside info like Bert not running the plays as called. That ain't inside info..that is well established.

Why don't you explain to us why you would have Bert, possibly the most important piece of the puzzle, in the game with 2 minutes left and it wrapped up.

This ought to be good.

[MOBB DEEP]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

not to pile on but that IS pretty harsh wifey

he is still a human, no?

I was happy Rivers lost but i dont want the absolute worse for him

granted its only a game and irrelevant in the grand scheme; what with REAL travesties like Haiti. but your tone is resembling hatred, making me reconsider nuptials. :cry:

all good

[MOBB DEEP]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish. :lol:

Care to address the actual content of the post? Prove to me using my post why there's no justification for a little bitterness. Hate is too strong a word.

Bitterness causes a person to be unhappy. Why choose to be unhappy?


:D

will u take me back double o? i fell for the vixen type, like tiger; forgeting that substance (like jackie m.) is mo' better long term.... :oops:

[MOBB DEEP]

Pants on the ground...... :lol:

Brookings sounds like a little bitch dog pulled from the teat for the first time. :lol:

Yeah he's a crying bitch, but the football Gods do not look kindly on running up the score. Ask the '07 Patriots about 18-1.

the cowboys were calln timeouts and BLITZING! u think they woulda held up if they had a good shot on him? heck to the naw! see bradie james' hit on him after whistle/false start earlier in game!

DAYUM....!

im a sports show HEAD and KNOW that only greeny and bradshaw are sayn it was bad

hate for bert clouds ppls judgement here and provides far too muvch angst imo...not u zool

dont give him that much power in ur lives!

he's only a man and he didnt even call the play; just executed it to perfection LOL

95% of the experts and players had NO prob with it...so way should fans? ENTERTAINMENT; listen to the Herd

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

not to pile on but that IS pretty harsh wifey

he is still a human, no?

I was happy Rivers lost but i dont want the absolute worse for him

granted its only a game and irrelevant in the grand scheme; what with REAL travesties like Haiti. but your tone is resembling hatred, making me reconsider nuptials. :cry:

all good

How is her wish the absolute worst? She didn't wish for him to die? She didn't wish for him to throw 6 ints.....ooops, i guess he already did that.

She just wished that he not reach the promised land. He sinned, like Moses..and MJ, like god..says no to letting him into the land of milk and honey.

And, you and the rest calling it hatred is wrong. It isn't hatred. It is schadenfraude (spelling). It is a german thing...a black asshole wouldn't understand. :wink:

As Cartman would say to Bert after the loss.."Yes! Yesss! Oh, let me taste your tears, Bert! Mm, your tears are so yummy and sweet! Oh, the tears of unfathomable sadness! My-yummy!"

[Patler]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

not to pile on but that IS pretty harsh wifey

he is still a human, no?

I was happy Rivers lost but i dont want the absolute worse for him

granted its only a game and irrelevant in the grand scheme; what with REAL travesties like Haiti. but your tone is resembling hatred, making me reconsider nuptials. :cry:

all good

How is her wish the absolute worst? She didn't wish for him to die? She didn't wish for him to throw 6 ints.....ooops, i guess he already did that.

She just wished that he not reach the promised land. He sinned, like Moses..and MJ, like god..says no to letting him into the land of milk and honey.


Interesting comparison, Moses and the Promised land vs. Favre and the Super Bowl. But for the rest of the Vikings to make it and not Favre would require that ......... :lol: :twisted:

[wpony]

I will be so glad when he finally does retire so I can enjoy coming back to packer rats again I use to come here and read every day now I come and check once a week maybe because all thats here anymore is fighting and bull crap.
I am so over Brett yes I loved him as a packer and always will now hes left 1st year I was mad but still hurt that he left now its 2 years out I dont care what he does I just hope sometime in the future he can mend his ties with the packers all you young people out here have never had to suffer with a bad QB like us old time packer fans did we are so lucky to have arod here ,it makes it so much easier the vikes will have him 1 maybe 2 years we had him for 17? I think .
Any way for now its like Brett the packer is dead to me and the vikes have a great old QB named Brett that if he does not retire I hope we beat the cr@p out of next year.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

not to pile on but that IS pretty harsh wifey

he is still a human, no?

I was happy Rivers lost but i dont want the absolute worse for him

granted its only a game and irrelevant in the grand scheme; what with REAL travesties like Haiti. but your tone is resembling hatred, making me reconsider nuptials. :cry:

all good

How is her wish the absolute worst? She didn't wish for him to die? She didn't wish for him to throw 6 ints.....ooops, i guess he already did that.

She just wished that he not reach the promised land. He sinned, like Moses..and MJ, like god..says no to letting him into the land of milk and honey.


Interesting comparison, Moses and the Promised land vs. Favre and the Super Bowl. But for the rest of the Vikings to make it and not Favre would require that ......... :lol: :twisted:

That would be fine. He could be injured and Tjack could lead them.

[Gunakor]

The bottom line - and the only line that matters IMO - is that he's not here anymore. Even if you don't agree with that perspective, certainly you can understand how some could feel that way. It's all about the G. It's ONLY about the G.

I respect that and that some have no desire to follow his career anymore. I've never promoted all packer fans to continue to support Brett. My only problem is the hatred that is continued to be expressed.

Let them hate. Brett doesn't need his fans to stand up for him. If it doesn't hurt you any, just leave it be. As frustrated as you've become at the apparent hatred of the guy, there are just as many that are just as frustrated at the stubborn defense of him. That's how the personal attacks begin. That's what keeps fueling this fight. Both sides are guilty. This fight would die off naturally if people on both sides would cease thier attack on one another, even if the attack/defense of Favre continues.

So let them hate. You continue your support. And hopefully both sides will eventually be able to simply leave it at that without getting into the argument over the question that has stirred up all the trouble in the first place - why. It doesn't matter why you support him or why we hate him. It doesn't matter THAT you support him or THAT we hate him. It just doesn't matter, does it?

[Packerarcher]

I get the biggest kick out of the majority of Favre bashers on here that say you could care less he is gone and the team is better off. Yet you call him a traitor and bash him every chance you get.

He plays for the Minnesota Vikings. I think that pretty much sums it up. I was fine when he went to the Jets.

So does Longwell and did Sharper yet I don't hear the bashing and "traitor" talk about them.

[Patler]

I get the biggest kick out of the majority of Favre bashers on here that say you could care less he is gone and the team is better off. Yet you call him a traitor and bash him every chance you get.

He plays for the Minnesota Vikings. I think that pretty much sums it up. I was fine when he went to the Jets.

So does Longwell and did Sharper yet I don't hear the bashing and "traitor" talk about them.

Apparently you weren't around when they left. Both were bashed rather strongly for the first year or so. But for each of them, it was a long time ago, and they are of lower profile than Favre.

While each Sharper and Longwell bashed the organization a bit, and Longwell saw fit to insult the community of Green Bay, neither had the long drawn-out, spiteful departure that Favre had.

It is easy to understand why the emotions about Favre are stronger.

[ThunderDan]

I get the biggest kick out of the majority of Favre bashers on here that say you could care less he is gone and the team is better off. Yet you call him a traitor and bash him every chance you get.

He plays for the Minnesota Vikings. I think that pretty much sums it up. I was fine when he went to the Jets.

So does Longwell and did Sharper yet I don't hear the bashing and "traitor" talk about them.

Both Sharper and Longwell's contracts had expired or the Pack were asking them to take a pay cut and were released. No such thing with BF. He was under contract and desided to retire and then he used all the leverage possible to get out of GB after the team wouldn't bend over backwards for him. Then he did the same thing to NYJ to get to MINN.

I also don't remember Sharper or Longwell being the "face" of the GB Packers for over 15 years. In fact, I don't think I can remember a kicker ever being the "face" of their team. Maybe Venatari (sp) after the SB kick.

[MichiganPackerFan]

I also don't remember Sharper or Longwell being the "face" of the GB Packers for over 15 years.

I can think of several other parts of anatomy that are more relevant for Favre than "face"...

[denverYooper]

Got this from Wilde this am:

Favre needs 8 comps, 228 pass yards & 3 TD pass for NFL career playoff records in each category, topping Montana.

[Patler]

Got this from Wilde this am:

Favre needs 8 comps, 228 pass yards & 3 TD pass for NFL career playoff records in each category, topping Montana.

I think he got the record for most attempts last week, also from Montana.
I believe both are sitting at 23 playoff games right now.

[Packerarcher]

I get the biggest kick out of the majority of Favre bashers on here that say you could care less he is gone and the team is better off. Yet you call him a traitor and bash him every chance you get.

He plays for the Minnesota Vikings. I think that pretty much sums it up. I was fine when he went to the Jets.

So does Longwell and did Sharper yet I don't hear the bashing and "traitor" talk about them.

Both Sharper and Longwell's contracts had expired or the Pack were asking them to take a pay cut and were released. No such thing with BF. He was under contract and desided to retire and then he used all the leverage possible to get out of GB after the team wouldn't bend over backwards for him. Then he did the same thing to NYJ to get to MINN.

I also don't remember Sharper or Longwell being the "face" of the GB Packers for over 15 years. In fact, I don't think I can remember a kicker ever being the "face" of their team. Maybe Venatari (sp) after the SB kick.

Sounds to me like you are justifying why you hate. There is no difference when it comes right down to it. Some of you would just rather bitch about Favre. Tell me this if you retired and then decided you still wanted to work as many retirees do wouldn't that make you the same. WTF was Brett supposed to do,be a Walmart greeter. The packers didn't want him,he wanted to play,now he is. pretty fuckin simple.

[ThunderDan]

Sounds to me like you are justifying why you hate. There is no difference when it comes right down to it. Some of you would just rather bitch about Favre. Tell me this if you retired and then decided you still wanted to work as many retirees do wouldn't that make you the same. WTF was Brett supposed to do,be a Walmart greeter. The packers didn't want him,he wanted to play,now he is. pretty fuckin simple.

Sounds like you want to give him a free pass.

Let's look at the facts:
1. BF was under contract with the Packers
2. BF retired
3. BF wanted to return but on his terms (gets starting spot back)
4. BF was traded to the NYJ under the same contract
5. BF "retires" again saying he is done
6. BF asks for his release (I thought he was done, why does he need to get out of his contract?)
7. BF toys with MINN but says no
8. BF signs with MINN once training camp is over

It also seems like you're happy to hate on the haters! :oops:

[Packerarcher]

Sounds to me like you are justifying why you hate. There is no difference when it comes right down to it. Some of you would just rather bitch about Favre. Tell me this if you retired and then decided you still wanted to work as many retirees do wouldn't that make you the same. WTF was Brett supposed to do,be a Walmart greeter. The packers didn't want him,he wanted to play,now he is. pretty fuckin simple.

Sounds like you want to give him a free pass.

Let's look at the facts:
1. BF was under contract with the Packers
2. BF retired
3. BF wanted to return but on his terms (gets starting spot back)
4. BF was traded to the NYJ under the same contract
5. BF "retires" again saying he is done
6. BF asks for his release (I thought he was done, why does he need to get out of his contract?)
7. BF toys with MINN but says no
8. BF signs with MINN once training camp is over

It also seems like you're happy to hate on the haters! :oops:

Like I said he retired,changed his mind it happens. GB didn't want him saying they had someone better,yet didn't have the balls to let him go where HE wanted. Brett didn't ask for his release from the Jets,they released him after drafting Sanchez. Finally he gave Mn an answer by a deadline,they were not happy with the answer and kept courting.

[ThunderDan]

Sounds to me like you are justifying why you hate. There is no difference when it comes right down to it. Some of you would just rather bitch about Favre. Tell me this if you retired and then decided you still wanted to work as many retirees do wouldn't that make you the same. WTF was Brett supposed to do,be a Walmart greeter. The packers didn't want him,he wanted to play,now he is. pretty fuckin simple.

But BF isn't you or me. Retired, not retired, whatever the GB Packers owned his rights. If he showed up in GB and laced them up he got something like $12,000,000. He didn't have a right to go anywhere else. I'm sure 99.5% of all Americans don't have exclusive rights contracts with their employer.

I have a non-compete so I can't leave my firm and join another firm in the area and continue to work with my same client base. Even if I retired I would have to wait 12 months from practicing in the same area without forfeiting my retirement bonus.

BF could do radio, TV etc.. He just couldn't play for any other NFL team while under contract with the Packers.

[ThunderDan]

Sounds to me like you are justifying why you hate. There is no difference when it comes right down to it. Some of you would just rather bitch about Favre. Tell me this if you retired and then decided you still wanted to work as many retirees do wouldn't that make you the same. WTF was Brett supposed to do,be a Walmart greeter. The packers didn't want him,he wanted to play,now he is. pretty fuckin simple.

Sounds like you want to give him a free pass.

Let's look at the facts:
1. BF was under contract with the Packers
2. BF retired
3. BF wanted to return but on his terms (gets starting spot back)
4. BF was traded to the NYJ under the same contract
5. BF "retires" again saying he is done
6. BF asks for his release (I thought he was done, why does he need to get out of his contract?)
7. BF toys with MINN but says no
8. BF signs with MINN once training camp is over

It also seems like you're happy to hate on the haters! :oops:

Like I said he retired,changed his mind it happens. GB didn't want him saying they had someone better,yet didn't have the balls to let him go where HE wanted. Brett didn't ask for his release from the Jets,they released him after drafting Sanchez. Finally he gave Mn an answer by a deadline,they were not happy with the answer and kept courting.

A couple of points.
1. BF asked for his release from the NYJ, the NYJ didn't release him on their own accord. In fact, he asked before the draft and was told NO by the Jets.
2. TT got enough crap for moving on from BF. It would have been ten fold had he gotten no compensation for a player under contact and let him walk to a team in the NFC North. (That would have made me shout for TT's head)

[denverYooper]

Got this from Wilde this am:

Favre needs 8 comps, 228 pass yards & 3 TD pass for NFL career playoff records in each category, topping Montana.

I think he got the record for most attempts last week, also from Montana.
I believe both are sitting at 23 playoff games right now.

He'll have a hard time getting the record for Superbowl wins, though.

[Bossman641]

Sounds to me like you are justifying why you hate. There is no difference when it comes right down to it. Some of you would just rather bitch about Favre. Tell me this if you retired and then decided you still wanted to work as many retirees do wouldn't that make you the same. WTF was Brett supposed to do,be a Walmart greeter. The packers didn't want him,he wanted to play,now he is. pretty fuckin simple.

Sounds like you want to give him a free pass.

Let's look at the facts:
1. BF was under contract with the Packers
2. BF retired
3. BF wanted to return but on his terms (gets starting spot back)
4. BF was traded to the NYJ under the same contract
5. BF "retires" again saying he is done
6. BF asks for his release (I thought he was done, why does he need to get out of his contract?)
7. BF toys with MINN but says no
8. BF signs with MINN once training camp is over

It also seems like you're happy to hate on the haters! :oops:

Like I said he retired,changed his mind it happens. GB didn't want him saying they had someone better,yet didn't have the balls to let him go where HE wanted. Brett didn't ask for his release from the Jets,they released him after drafting Sanchez. Finally he gave Mn an answer by a deadline,they were not happy with the answer and kept courting.

No wonder you back Favre so strongly, you don't understand half the details of what actually happened.

http://nzydmahara.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/ostrich_head_sand2-gif3.jpg

If only it were so simple as he retired and changed his mind. And yes, he did ask the Jets for his release and his reasoning for it was "just because". He retired, and then asked the Jets for his release twice. The first time they said no to him. They granted his release the second time because they had drafted Sanchez.

I'd also like to add one other event into the timeline, think it should fit between #5 and #6.


Brett books a large block of hotel rooms in GB the weekend of the GB-Minn game despite the fact he is still under contract with the Jets.

Shall we also add in the part about him talking to the Lions about the Packers' signals and game plans.

Fuck him

[gex]

So what time is actual kickoff this Sunday, I need to know so I can get outta work early.

[gex]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish. :lol:

Care to address the actual content of the post? Prove to me using my post why there's no justification for a little bitterness. Hate is too strong a word.

Bitterness causes a person to be unhappy. Why choose to be unhappy?


:D
Plus 007,MD,Bretsky,etc.., Don't you love the fact that we still have a horse in the race. Favre is still giving us something to cheer for after all these years. I was so excited last Sunday watching that game and I fricking cannot wait till this Sundays game(even tho its gonna be a tough one which they may lose)...But to be this pumped up after our Packers are out is really cool! :D


ps. I wonder if Nutz is excited?

[Packers4Ever]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/82006162.html

B, can you just give me an answer - 'yes, no, or I don't know' ~ chances are you might not know but anyway, have you heard or read
any talk about Sear's taking BF out of their Wrangler jeans commercials?
I have a minor feud going on with a friend who was formerly a fan.
Thanks for any help :wink:

Still a fan and proud to say so !!!!!!

[Packers4Ever]

[quote=MJZiggy]
I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish. :lol:

Care to address the actual content of the post? Prove to me using my post why there's no justification for a little bitterness. Hate is too strong a word.

Bitterness causes a person to be unhappy. Why choose to be unhappy?


:D
Plus 007,MD,Bretsky,etc.., Don't you love the fact that we still have a horse


in the race. Favre is still giving us something to cheer for after all these


years. I was so excited last Sunday watching that game and I fricking

cannot wait till this Sundays game(even tho its gonna be a tough one which they may lose)...But to be this pumped up after our Packers are out is really cool! :D
ps. I wonder if Nutz is excited?[/quote/]


Hey, add me to your list of excited Brett fans, I'm anxiously waiting for our next game on Sunday, NO meets the Vikes and we still have plenty to cheer about and doesn't it feel good to be pumped up again ?? :)

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Sounds to me like you are justifying why you hate. There is no difference when it comes right down to it. Some of you would just rather bitch about Favre. Tell me this if you retired and then decided you still wanted to work as many retirees do wouldn't that make you the same. WTF was Brett supposed to do,be a Walmart greeter. The packers didn't want him,he wanted to play,now he is. pretty fuckin simple.

Sounds like you want to give him a free pass.

Let's look at the facts:
1. BF was under contract with the Packers
2. BF retired
3. BF wanted to return but on his terms (gets starting spot back)
4. BF was traded to the NYJ under the same contract
5. BF "retires" again saying he is done
6. BF asks for his release (I thought he was done, why does he need to get out of his contract?)
7. BF toys with MINN but says no
8. BF signs with MINN once training camp is over

It also seems like you're happy to hate on the haters! :oops:

Like I said he retired,changed his mind it happens. GB didn't want him saying they had someone better,yet didn't have the balls to let him go where HE wanted. Brett didn't ask for his release from the Jets,they released him after drafting Sanchez. Finally he gave Mn an answer by a deadline,they were not happy with the answer and kept courting.

It does happen. But, if you retire you aren't ENTITLED to your old job back. Simple as that.

Next, you can't just retire and go to work for another company. Bert had a contract and we did nothing wrong by holding him to it. All top firms have no compete contracts with their top talent.

Lastly, you are flat out wrong about the Jets. Bert retired, gave a speech saying he was done and praising Woody Johnson and stating how he would not play again and how great he had been treated. They released him after he RETIRED.

Your refusal to face reality is troubling.

Those of us you label haters at least have faced reality.

[MJZiggy]

I hope he gets oh so close and fails.

The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish. :lol:

Care to address the actual content of the post? Prove to me using my post why there's no justification for a little bitterness. Hate is too strong a word.

Bitterness causes a person to be unhappy. Why choose to be unhappy?


:D

Funny that STILL no one has addressed the context that the above statement was cherry-picked from. It was a rather detailed post that folks seem not to be able to handle...

And by the way, Archer, Favre WAS invited back but refused to come. He was not rejected by the Packers, he rejected them because he refused to compete with Rodgers. Would he have won I wonder? Methinks he had his doubts. Please do not argue about paragraph 2 without addressing paragraph 1. Just saves both of us time because you know the response you'll get.

And for the record, I must not be bitter then, because I'm pretty damned happy right now. But I can be happy and still extremely disappointed in our former quarterback and want him and his whole team to lose on Sunday. See how easy that is...

[GrnBay007]

So let them hate. You continue your support. And hopefully both sides will eventually be able to simply leave it at that without getting into the argument over the question that has stirred up all the trouble in the first place - why. It doesn't matter why you support him or why we hate him. It doesn't matter THAT you support him or THAT we hate him. It just doesn't matter, does it?

No, it doesn't matter. I refrained for a long time getting caught up in the argument and then let myself slip the last couple days. I know better and really don't care what anyone thinks to be honest. I'm completely at peace with everything FAVRE related. I would be happy if he played for the Packers, Vikings, Jets or even retired. I just enjoy watching him play and would love to see him go out on top. ....that's all, really. I don't care what happened 2 years ago because I don't pretend to know everything that happened behind closed doors.

So as long as this thread still exists, I would encourage any and all members that still support Favre and enjoy having a place to keep up with news, to do just that....and nothing more. Ignore the banter, or negative remarks that entice arguments.

[gex]

So let them hate. You continue your support. And hopefully both sides will eventually be able to simply leave it at that without getting into the argument over the question that has stirred up all the trouble in the first place - why. It doesn't matter why you support him or why we hate him. It doesn't matter THAT you support him or THAT we hate him. It just doesn't matter, does it?

No, it doesn't matter. I refrained for a long time getting caught up in the argument and then let myself slip the last couple days. I know better and really don't care what anyone thinks to be honest. I'm completely at peace with everything FAVRE related. I would be happy if he played for the Packers, Vikings, Jets or even retired. I just enjoy watching him play and would love to see him go out on top. ....that's all, really. I don't care what happened 2 years ago because I don't pretend to know everything that happened behind closed doors.

So as long as this thread still exists, I would encourage any and all members that still support Favre and enjoy having a place to keep up with news, to do just that....and nothing more. Ignore the banter, or negative remarks that entice arguments.

I was thinking the same thing after skimming thru the last few pages of detailed explanations of why we should love him or hate him. No sense in trying to convince either side one way or another. My posts in this thread have, for the most part, been directed towards the posters and readers who want to see him finish a great career on top. I too will just ignore the negativity and respond to the positive.

[HowardRoark]

I remember in the post game interview after the first Viking Favre vs. Packers game on Monday Night when some chick reporter compared the situation to a man/woman break up and Favre got all incredulous face looking and stuff.....I think there are a lot of similarities, and agree with the reporter. And Favre's overly dramatic response means he gets it too.

To quote the way too overly used phrase, the whole Favre thing “is what it is.”

When you are in a long term relationship, a lot of times people end up to doing destructive things just because they are comfortable. The same thing was true with Favre and Packer fans. I blame Packer fans just as much for his leaving as what he did. He would heave up interceptions in playoff games or pull the old “Gunslinger” routine and we all ate it up. It was symbiotic. We needed him, and he just kept on doing his thing. Anything but the Dan Devine or Forrest Gregg years PLEASE!!!! So he throws the ball away, look where he brought us.

Now, we all wonder....how is it that he only throws seven interceptions? Why is he so in control? It can't be the coach. This year isn't like Holmgren where there was actually some semblance of control......clearly by the last few weeks of this season. (Now I go back to my relationship analogy)....It's because he got his head out of his ass and started to play like he knew he could because he had to re-prove himself. The classic lose 25 pounds and get a new haircut after you break up. It gave him new life and he wanted to prance past the old girlfriend with his new hot gal too, so there was plenty of incentive.

HE NEVER WOULD HAVE HAD THE NUMBERS HE HAS THIS YEAR HAD HE STAYED WITH THE PACKERS.

We have a 26 year old quarterback who had a quarterback rating over 100 this year and makes me, as a Packer fan, adjust the way I watch games. I still am nervous waiting for the bizzaro throw that turns into seven points for the other team......but every week I slowly am turning into a fan that understands our new quarterback. It is a thing of beauty watching how he manages the game. And he is 26.

Favre may win the Super Bowl this year....and by the way, they were talking about how they should put him on the “Ring of Fame” in the Mall of America Dome ASAP today on KFAN up here.....imagine that! Favre could be on the ring of fame in Minnesota before he is in Green Bay.

I am OK with it all. I think we are much better off with Rodgers right now and in the future. Favre NEVER would have put up the numbers he did this year had he stayed in Green Bay. He acted like an assclown when it all first went down, but I get the sense he realizes what a fool he was (see: break up analogy).

What do I think of Favre on the Vikings? I don't.

It is what it is.

[Bretsky]

I will be so glad when he finally does retire so I can enjoy coming back to packer rats again I use to come here and read every day now I come and check once a week maybe because all thats here anymore is fighting and bull crap.
I am so over Brett yes I loved him as a packer and always will now hes left 1st year I was mad but still hurt that he left now its 2 years out I dont care what he does I just hope sometime in the future he can mend his ties with the packers all you young people out here have never had to suffer with a bad QB like us old time packer fans did we are so lucky to have arod here ,it makes it so much easier the vikes will have him 1 maybe 2 years we had him for 17? I think .
Any way for now its like Brett the packer is dead to me and the vikes have a great old QB named Brett that if he does not retire I hope we beat the cr@p out of next year.


Solid Post

it's really too bad some people have to act like jags about this.

''This is right; that is right. You're ignoring the truth; you don't know the truth. His name is Bert...Bert Bert..and you are wrong.. and not a real fan. A constant lack of respect and courtesy and continuous judgement towards posters as well as the former Packer""

Sad

[Bretsky]

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/82006162.html

B, can you just give me an answer - 'yes, no, or I don't know' ~ chances are you might not know but anyway, have you heard or read
any talk about Sear's taking BF out of their Wrangler jeans commercials?
I have a minor feud going on with a friend who was formerly a fan.
Thanks for any help :wink:

Still a fan and proud to say so !!!!!!


Sorry, but I honestly do not know about the commercials

[Bretsky]

The bottom line - and the only line that matters IMO - is that he's not here anymore. Even if you don't agree with that perspective, certainly you can understand how some could feel that way. It's all about the G. It's ONLY about the G.

I respect that and that some have no desire to follow his career anymore. I've never promoted all packer fans to continue to support Brett. My only problem is the hatred that is continued to be expressed.

Let them hate. Brett doesn't need his fans to stand up for him. If it doesn't hurt you any, just leave it be. As frustrated as you've become at the apparent hatred of the guy, there are just as many that are just as frustrated at the stubborn defense of him. That's how the personal attacks begin. That's what keeps fueling this fight. Both sides are guilty. This fight would die off naturally if people on both sides would cease thier attack on one another, even if the attack/defense of Favre continues.

So let them hate. You continue your support. And hopefully both sides will eventually be able to simply leave it at that without getting into the argument over the question that has stirred up all the trouble in the first place - why. It doesn't matter why you support him or why we hate him. It doesn't matter THAT you support him or THAT we hate him. It just doesn't matter, does it?


Good Post

[Joemailman]

http://i531.photobucket.com/albums/dd354/babybluedell/GROOVY/1-Peace-Love-Happiness.gif

[Tyrone Bigguns]

No justice, no peace!

[Joemailman]

No peace, no justice.
Know peace, know justice.

[Gunakor]

Tell me this if you retired and then decided you still wanted to work as many retirees do wouldn't that make you the same. WTF was Brett supposed to do,be a Walmart greeter. The packers didn't want him,he wanted to play,now he is. pretty fuckin simple.

Brett didn't have to be a Walmart greeter. He didn't have to be a New York Jet. He didn't have to be a Minnesota Viking. He could have still been the QB for the Packers, according to statements from both the Favre camp and the Thompson camp. He just didn't want to have to win the job. From Brett's own mouth, on Greta, "Why?"

It's not that the Packers didn't want him back, they just didn't want to simply hand him the starting gig without a competiton. And lets be honest, after watching both QB's in starting roles over the past 2 seasons, that would be one helluva competition. Brett could have won it. Brett could have remained our QB. But there's a chance Brett would have lost, and that chance alone scared him away. He didn't want to play for anyone where there was even a chance he wouldn't be the starter.

Still, can you blame McCarthy for wanting to see the two of them compete before making a final decision on who the starter was going to be in 2008?

[Zool]

Pants on the ground...... :lol:

Brookings sounds like a little bitch dog pulled from the teat for the first time. :lol:

Yeah he's a crying bitch, but the football Gods do not look kindly on running up the score. Ask the '07 Patriots about 18-1.

the cowboys were calln timeouts and BLITZING! u think they woulda held up if they had a good shot on him? heck to the naw! see bradie james' hit on him after whistle/false start earlier in game!

DAYUM....!

im a sports show HEAD and KNOW that only greeny and bradshaw are sayn it was bad

hate for bert clouds ppls judgement here and provides far too muvch angst imo...not u zool

dont give him that much power in ur lives!

he's only a man and he didnt even call the play; just executed it to perfection LOL

95% of the experts and players had NO prob with it...so way should fans? ENTERTAINMENT; listen to the Herd

No way dude. They were poking at the football Gods with that long pass earlier in the 4th and missed. The late TD was too much IMO. Run up the gut if you're up 3 scores with 2 minutes to go. Straight ahead power football to eat the clock and get the game over.

I'm not saying I wouldnt be throwing if I was them, I'm saying ask the Pats how that worked out.

[ThunderDan]

I will be so glad when he finally does retire so I can enjoy coming back to packer rats again I use to come here and read every day now I come and check once a week maybe because all thats here anymore is fighting and bull crap.
I am so over Brett yes I loved him as a packer and always will now hes left 1st year I was mad but still hurt that he left now its 2 years out I dont care what he does I just hope sometime in the future he can mend his ties with the packers all you young people out here have never had to suffer with a bad QB like us old time packer fans did we are so lucky to have arod here ,it makes it so much easier the vikes will have him 1 maybe 2 years we had him for 17? I think .
Any way for now its like Brett the packer is dead to me and the vikes have a great old QB named Brett that if he does not retire I hope we beat the cr@p out of next year.


Solid Post

it's really too bad some people have to act like jags about this.

''This is right; that is right. You're ignoring the truth; you don't know the truth. His name is Bert...Bert Bert..and you are wrong.. and not a real fan. A constant lack of respect and courtesy and continuous judgement towards posters as well as the former Packer""

Sad

Or on the other side.

"You're a hater, you're a hater. What a miserable life you must live to hate so much. You're hate caused the Packers to lose in the first round of the playoffs. Etc, Etc, Etc."

Poo is being flung both ways. Way to not even acknowledge that it goes both ways.

Sad.

[gex]

I will be so glad when he finally does retire so I can enjoy coming back to packer rats again I use to come here and read every day now I come and check once a week maybe because all thats here anymore is fighting and bull crap.
I am so over Brett yes I loved him as a packer and always will now hes left 1st year I was mad but still hurt that he left now its 2 years out I dont care what he does I just hope sometime in the future he can mend his ties with the packers all you young people out here have never had to suffer with a bad QB like us old time packer fans did we are so lucky to have arod here ,it makes it so much easier the vikes will have him 1 maybe 2 years we had him for 17? I think .
Any way for now its like Brett the packer is dead to me and the vikes have a great old QB named Brett that if he does not retire I hope we beat the cr@p out of next year.


Solid Post

it's really too bad some people have to act like jags about this.

''This is right; that is right. You're ignoring the truth; you don't know the truth. His name is Bert...Bert Bert..and you are wrong.. and not a real fan. A constant lack of respect and courtesy and continuous judgement towards posters as well as the former Packer""

Sad


"You're a hater, you're a hater. What a miserable life you must live to hate so much. You're hate caused the Packers to lose in the first round of the playoffs. Etc, Etc, Etc."



LMAO
Its funny cause its true :lol:
Thanx P

[ThunderDan]

What we need is spin!

Instead of the "Supporters" and the "Haters"

I am going to coin my own groups just like the abortion issue people did.

I am now going to label the "Haters" as "Pro-Packer" and "Supporters" as the "Anti-Packer"

It feels so much better to be on the positive side of the debate. My life is improving drastically. :lol:

Why do you all hate the Packers so much? :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mmmdk]

This I want to know; why did BF fold so often for GB in the playoffs? Didn't GB have enough talent post super bowls?

BF was awesome last week vs dem Boys and this is from a huge BF basher. And no doubt; this season by BF was just as good as 95-97 in GB.

But why? Dome? Better weapons on O? Fire & desire to stick it to god knows who? In 96 & somewhat 97 Packers had a great defense - just like Vikes do now. I think without a great D even a gunslinger like BF wouldn't go far.

I'm amazed and pretty angry at the crappy Packer playoffs results since the Super Bowls and now BF looks better than ever which he hasn't been since 97. 2007 was almost in this league but falls way short due to fall at Lambeau to G-men (shouldn't happen). Again, why so?

[Bossman641]

This I want to know; why did BF fold so often for GB in the playoffs? Didn't GB have enough talent post super bowls?

BF was awesome last week vs dem Boys and this is from a huge BF basher. And no doubt; this season by BF was just as good as 95-97 in GB.

But why? Dome? Better weapons on O? Fire & desire to stick it to god knows who? In 96 & somewhat 97 Packers had a great defense - just like Vikes do now. I think without a great D even a gunslinger like BF wouldn't go far.

I'm amazed and pretty angry at the crappy Packer playoffs results since the Super Bowls and now BF looks better than ever which he hasn't been since 97. 2007 was almost in this league but falls way short due to fall at Lambeau to G-men (shouldn't happen). Again, why so?

Personally, I think it has to be a renewed commitment on Brett's part. I think he got complacent in GB. He had it made and could throw all the interceptions he want knowing that he would still be excused by the fans and in the case of Sherman, the coach.

Even if you look at the early to mid 2000's when Green was a beast in the backfield, Favre still was fairly careless with the ball. Just my take, but either the Jet season was a wake-up to him, or he has a burning desire to prove everyone wrong. I'm leaning more towards the first option, just because I think the second option would have him trying too hard and forcing balls.

[denverYooper]

I always thought he just hated the cold after a while. The whole beef with MM was just a front to mask his real desire to get away from playing outside so much. It takes more out of ya, especially when you've had several fractures. Heck, I've only broken my finger and that gets achy every time the temps drop here.

Why wouldn't he just admit he hated the cold? Because the iron man doesn't want to look like a wuss.

/justhavinsomefun

[packerbacker1234]

I always thought he just hated the cold after a while. The whole beef with MM was just a front to mask his real desire to get away from playing outside so much. It takes more out of ya, especially when you've had several fractures. Heck, I've only broken my finger and that gets achy every time the temps drop here.

Why wouldn't he just admit he hated the cold? Because the iron man doesn't want to look like a wuss.

/justhavinsomefun

So he went to the jets then and played in teh cold. Why does he seem better now then he was for us? Something happened between 2007-present. He had a wakeup call. He never really ahd a coach in GB, since Holgrem that could control him. He still doesn't. Favre needed to learn to control himself, but in GB he never had a reason. He could always point at something else. In 2007 he took a lot of blame for the playoff loss, and may have been why he retired. He was playing pretty damn well in 2008 but then had a throwing arm injury.

Thing is, he finally got himself under control. At this point it's too late for nay coach to try adn control brett, but somethign between his last two seasons made him realize he only needed to control himself. He even doubted if he could last the full year this year. He believes in himself, and as good as Green was he was not an Adrian Peterson.

Favre needed holgrem for a few more seasons, and intead he got coaches in the 2000's that were too afraid to challenge him. At least chilly this year had the balls to say something to prevent him from getting hurt, even if it was a bone headed coaching. Sherman never did shit to Brett, and MM was sort of TT in the "Brett's great, he does his thing" bandwagon in trying to move on to AR.

[GrnBay007]

"You may hate Favre now, but you'll miss him"

by Jason Whitlock

Brett Favre reminds me of Muhammad Ali -- polarizing among fans, beloved and needed by the media, a legend who will be celebrated most fondly long after he leaves the game.

Everyone should be rooting for Favre in the NFC title game (6 p.m. ET, FOX) this weekend . His potential journey to the Super Bowl at age 40 should be a heartwarming story. Unfortunately, we, the media, ruined the Favre story. We focused so much attention on his retirements and un-retirements that football fans outside of Minnesota can't stand him and fear what would happen to Super Bowl coverage if Favre is in the game.

Will John Madden come out of retirement to call the game and remind viewers that Favre is a carefree, gunslinging kid just having fun out there?

The truth is a terrific defense, but no one wants to hear the truth about Favre anymore.

Has heavyweight boxing been the same since Holmes pounded Ali into retirement? No. Football fans don't know it yet, but they're going to miss Brett Favre. He's quit and come back like a boxer. He's a narcissistic self-promoter like Ali. And Favre floats like a butterfly and stings like a bee.

Ali performed before the 24-hour news cycle. If ESPN existed during Ali's time, The Greatest might have been the most hated man on the planet.

:lol:

[mraynrand]

Whitlock is an idiot. Like the only Favre fans are Viking fans. Right. Sure, a lot of people are just a little sick of him, but a hell of a lot of people love watching him play, and recognize that they are witnessing something totally unprecedented. I'm on record as being down on Favre for the way he left Green Bay, realizing that Green Bay had a part in rejecting him as well. I think they made the right choice.

Despite the bad ending with Green Bay, I still enjoyed watching Favre play last year - his performances against Tennessee and New England were amazing. If he were playing for any team other than the Vikings, Bears, or Cowboys, I'd be cheering him on - I could push the baggage aside, knowing there are plenty of prima donnas in sports far worse than Favre. But rooting for the Vikings is a bridge too far - for me. Favre is clearly out to prove something, and that - plus being on a very good team - has given him an MVP level season. Read the post by Howard - I think it's pretty close to the mark. So, Good Luck to Favre, but I hope the Vikings get obliterated.

[GrnBay007]

If he were playing for any team other than the Vikings, Bears, or Cowboys, I'd be cheering him on - I could push the baggage aside, knowing there are plenty of prima donnas in sports far worse than Favre. But rooting for the Vikings is a bridge too far - for me. Favre is clearly out to prove something, and that - plus being on a very good team - has given him an MVP level season. Read the post by Howard - I think it's pretty close to the mark. So, Good Luck to Favre, but I hope the Vikings get obliterated.


Push the baggage aside baby..........cheer for history in the making! :P

Yes, Howard had a great post. I chuckled through some parts....esp. "The classic lose 25 pounds and get a new haircut after you break up. It gave him new life and he wanted to prance past the old girlfriend with his new hot gal too, so there was plenty of incentive."

Too funny!!

Love or hate the guy, I think everyone can admit this is a great story.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

When he loses it will be a great story.

But, Ty guess you find lifetime movies to be great as well.

[Gunakor]

Push the baggage aside baby..........cheer for history in the making! :P

I am. I'm rooting for the Saints to reach thier first ever Super Bowl game. After everything that city has been through recently, and in admiring the Saints journey to become one of the league's elite, I think the Saints earning thier first ever Super Bowl berth would make for the better story.

[CaptainKickass]

It took that assclown going to 2 different teams - for me to realize just how sick and tired fans of other teams are of the constant sappy blow job he gets from the media.


Oh yeah, did I mention:

"FUCK THE VIKINGS!" ???


(Go Saints)

[SnakeLH2006]

Quit the Favre/007 bash. Both are great.

[Gunakor]

Quit the Favre/007 bash. Both are great.

Quit the 007 bash. Attack Favre all you want. He made his bed, he can lie in it.

As I said several times recently in this thread, there should be no problem with any criticizm, deification, hatred, support, anger, loyalty, frustration, admiration, or anything else related to Favre. As long as it's kept to Favre. As long as it doesn't spill over to attacks on the poster, there's nothing wrong.

Fuck Favre. Fuck the team he plays for. That's how I feel, but I have no qualms with any of Favre's supporters. Do what you do.

[denverYooper]

I always thought he just hated the cold after a while. The whole beef with MM was just a front to mask his real desire to get away from playing outside so much. It takes more out of ya, especially when you've had several fractures. Heck, I've only broken my finger and that gets achy every time the temps drop here.

Why wouldn't he just admit he hated the cold? Because the iron man doesn't want to look like a wuss.

/justhavinsomefun

So he went to the jets then and played in teh cold.

He was pretty much stuck at that point and he sure seemed to hate it there once the weather turned, yet again. If we send him to Tampa, are we in this mess? Maybe he enjoys a life of warm football, shuffleboard tourneys, and 4 pm buffet dinners. The world may never know.



Why does he seem better now then he was for us? Something happened between 2007-present. He had a wakeup call. He never really ahd a coach in GB, since Holgrem that could control him. He still doesn't. Favre needed to learn to control himself, but in GB he never had a reason. He could always point at something else. In 2007 he took a lot of blame for the playoff loss, and may have been why he retired. He was playing pretty damn well in 2008 but then had a throwing arm injury.

Thing is, he finally got himself under control. At this point it's too late for nay coach to try adn control brett, but somethign between his last two seasons made him realize he only needed to control himself. He even doubted if he could last the full year this year. He believes in himself, and as good as Green was he was not an Adrian Peterson.

Favre needed holgrem for a few more seasons, and intead he got coaches in the 2000's that were too afraid to challenge him. At least chilly this year had the balls to say something to prevent him from getting hurt, even if it was a bone headed coaching. Sherman never did shit to Brett, and MM was sort of TT in the "Brett's great, he does his thing" bandwagon in trying to
move on to AR.

One of the major factors stated in his coming back is that the Vikings schedule had a lot of indoor games. And all 4 losses have been on grass.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

[Pugger]

Push the baggage aside baby..........cheer for history in the making! :P

I am. I'm rooting for the Saints to reach thier first ever Super Bowl game. After everything that city has been through recently, and in admiring the Saints journey to become one of the league's elite, I think the Saints earning thier first ever Super Bowl berth would make for the better story.

+1

[Deputy Nutz]

Well this sure will be an interesting weekend. I didn't think Favre and the Vikes were gonna win last week. I thought Dallas was too hot, but they crumbled under the pressure. Keys for the Vikings and Favre will be if the Vikings stop the run, and the Vikings get their running game started early and often and kill the crowd.

And it really isn't that hard to root for the Vikings.

[MichiganPackerFan]

Well this sure will be an interesting weekend. I didn't think Favre and the Vikes were gonna win last week. I thought Dallas was too hot, but they crumbled under the pressure. Keys for the Vikings and Favre will be if the Vikings stop the run, and the Vikings get their running game started early and often and kill the crowd.

And it really isn't that hard to root for the Vikings.

I thought Dallas was hot, but I didn't think they'd win. Not because of #4, but because Romo just isn't a winner. Can't win in the playoffs. I don't know if he's not focused (at least on football) or what. Overrated.

[MOBB DEEP]

When he loses it will be a great story.

But, Ty guess you find lifetime movies to be great as well.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[MOBB DEEP]

sportsnation poll results have 57% of the country wanted brett to make it to SB

sounds about right

same as the Broke Spoke Bar and Grill...when they showed that place on eson i darn near fell out my chair

MAJOR bumpkins

[denverYooper]

Whatever happens I think I want Favre to come back next year. I'd like to see another couple of Favre vs. Pack games. I think they'd be closer after the Packers grow into their big boy shoes and they'd probably split the pair.

[mraynrand]

And it really isn't that hard to root for the Vikings.

But you've already admitted that 1) you're rooting for Favre and that 2) You wanted the Vikings to beat the Packers. So, since you aren't a Packer fan, have resentment towards the Packer org because of how they treated Favre, of course it wouldn't be hard to root for the Vikings to win. Tell us something we don't know. It's very hard for lifelong Packer fans (I would say virtually impossible) to root for the Vikings for true.

I'm now convinced that the Vikings are going to win the superbowl, just because it will annoy the hell out of me, but I'm still holding out hope that N.O. or (probably) the Colts will beat the living shit out of them.

[mraynrand]

Whatever happens I think I want Favre to come back next year. I'd like to see another couple of Favre vs. Pack games. I think they'd be closer after the Packers grow into their big boy shoes and they'd probably split the pair.

I'd like the Packers to get two more shots at beating the Vikings with Favre

THANKSBRENT

[Deputy Nutz]

And it really isn't that hard to root for the Vikings.

But you've already admitted that 1) you're rooting for Favre and that 2) You wanted the Vikings to beat the Packers. So, since you aren't a Packer fan, have resentment towards the Packer org because of how they treated Favre, of course it wouldn't be hard to root for the Vikings to win. Tell us something we don't know. It's very hard for lifelong Packer fans (I would say virtually impossible) to root for the Vikings for true.

I'm now convinced that the Vikings are going to win the superbowl, just because it will annoy the hell out of me, but I'm still holding out hope that N.O. or (probably) the Colts will beat the living shit out of them.

I am convinced that the Vikings are not going to get passed NO only because I want them too, so just maybe if enough of you salty ass Packer fans root against the Vikings and #4 then just maybe I will get my way, I doubt it though.

[mraynrand]

And it really isn't that hard to root for the Vikings.

But you've already admitted that 1) you're rooting for Favre and that 2) You wanted the Vikings to beat the Packers. So, since you aren't a Packer fan, have resentment towards the Packer org because of how they treated Favre, of course it wouldn't be hard to root for the Vikings to win. Tell us something we don't know. It's very hard for lifelong Packer fans (I would say virtually impossible) to root for the Vikings for true.

I'm now convinced that the Vikings are going to win the superbowl, just because it will annoy the hell out of me, but I'm still holding out hope that N.O. or (probably) the Colts will beat the living shit out of them.

I am convinced that the Vikings are not going to get passed NO only because I want them too, so just maybe if enough of you salty ass Packer fans root against the Vikings and #4 then just maybe I will get my way, I doubt it though.

I changed my outlook. While I still am annoyed at Favre, I wish him well. But I hate the Vikings so I hope they get obliterated. I realized it was really all about the Vikings. Vikings have enough to win it all. If they hold up reasonably well against N.O. passing attack, it's all over.

[Pugger]

Will not having their rookie receiver play limit what #4 can do tomorrow? Here's hoping...

[pbmax]

Using the always impeachable transitive theory of football domination, its clear who will win this game:

Saints < Cowboys < Vikings

The Saints do have some healthier starters back for their pass D, but they have trouble against the run and the Vikings will be willing to run even if it not leading to huge plays.

The Saints also struggled to run versus the Cowboys and couldn't get DeMarcus Ware blocked. The Viking front four should win this game.

Here is the transitive property expanded (http://beatpaths.com/2010/01/22/ranking-analysis-%e2%80%93-divisional-round/) (called beatpaths) which, of course, is predicting a Saints win.

[denverYooper]

Using the always impeachable transitive theory of football domination, its clear who will win this game:

Saints < Cowboys < Vikings

The Saints do have some healthier starters back for their pass D, but they have trouble against the run and the Vikings will be willing to run even if it not leading to huge plays.

The Saints also struggled to run versus the Cowboys and couldn't get DeMarcus Ware blocked. The Viking front four should win this game.

Here is the transitive property expanded (http://beatpaths.com/2010/01/22/ranking-analysis-%e2%80%93-divisional-round/) (called beatpaths) which, of course, is predicting a Saints win.

But there is also Vikings < Cardinals < Saints. The PPE got smoked in AZ.

[Fritz]

Whose peepee got smoked in Arizona? It wasn't mine!

[MOBB DEEP]

Will not having their rookie receiver play limit what #4 can do tomorrow? Here's hoping...

at the game i attended at minny v cincy harvin didnt play (i was PISSED since he's my fav youngn) but vikes didnt miss a frickn beat! Lord Favre factor :D

AMAZN how many purple #4's were there! like my boy back in milwaukee who is staunch vike fan since '77, most queens fans welcolmed favre with open arms seeing that they had SO many pieces in place

screw it! these cats differ ONLY because of a darn jerzey...we should TRY to view each player as if they were one of our family members playn in the league and respect what they bring to this form of ENTERTAINMENT, not real lif

[MOBB DEEP]

Using the always impeachable transitive theory of football domination, its clear who will win this game:

Saints < Cowboys < Vikings

The Saints do have some healthier starters back for their pass D, but they have trouble against the run and the Vikings will be willing to run even if it not leading to huge plays.

The Saints also struggled to run versus the Cowboys and couldn't get DeMarcus Ware blocked. The Viking front four should win this game.

Here is the transitive property expanded (http://beatpaths.com/2010/01/22/ranking-analysis-%e2%80%93-divisional-round/) (called beatpaths) which, of course, is predicting a Saints win.

nervous and drinkn ALREADY


i been sayn same thing all week. but it just CANT be that simple PB

[GrnBay007]

FWIW
"Experts" taking the Vikings:

Golic
Schefter
Wickersham
Richard

Taking the Saints:

Allen
Hoge
Jaworski
Mortensen
Schlereth
Harmon
Prisco
Judge
Urbano
Madden

[MOBB DEEP]

herm edwards made the best case for vikes imo

RUN DAT BALL...!!!

makes sense what with the crowd noise...herm thinks All Day will have coming out part tomorow

NO d-line is smallish...

if favre has bad game i wonder how many more here will be posting as opposed to the dearth of posters that reared their ugly heads last week until they wanted to call him/vikes classless for late TD :roll:

STILL giving dy mad props for swingn with us during dallas game

[Rastak]

Greets.

I look at this as a really tight game. The Saints defense doesn't scare me much but their offense sure does.

It's gonna come down to the trenches in my opinion. (I know, no shit Sherlock). I think the Vikings have an excellent chance but it's gonna be slightly uphill.


If the Saints do win it will be very cool for their fans, they've waited a really long time for this chance.

[MOBB DEEP]

vikes are MUCH tougher

so sleep well tonite Ras

[Pugger]

So far in these playoffs the only team to win on the road is the Jets. MN hasn't fared very well all season on the road either. AP hasn't been as unstoppable this season as in others and Drew Brees has been just as good as #4. I'm thinking NO will win a close one mainly cuz they are at home.

[Bretsky]

I will be so glad when he finally does retire so I can enjoy coming back to packer rats again I use to come here and read every day now I come and check once a week maybe because all thats here anymore is fighting and bull crap.
I am so over Brett yes I loved him as a packer and always will now hes left 1st year I was mad but still hurt that he left now its 2 years out I dont care what he does I just hope sometime in the future he can mend his ties with the packers all you young people out here have never had to suffer with a bad QB like us old time packer fans did we are so lucky to have arod here ,it makes it so much easier the vikes will have him 1 maybe 2 years we had him for 17? I think .
Any way for now its like Brett the packer is dead to me and the vikes have a great old QB named Brett that if he does not retire I hope we beat the cr@p out of next year.


Solid Post

it's really too bad some people have to act like jags about this.

''This is right; that is right. You're ignoring the truth; you don't know the truth. His name is Bert...Bert Bert..and you are wrong.. and not a real fan. A constant lack of respect and courtesy and continuous judgement towards posters as well as the former Packer""

Sad

Or on the other side.

"You're a hater, you're a hater. What a miserable life you must live to hate so much. You're hate caused the Packers to lose in the first round of the playoffs. Etc, Etc, Etc."

Poo is being flung both ways. Way to not even acknowledge that it goes both ways.

Sad.


Actually IMO the use of the term hater is rarely used anymore while the use of the word Bert and the idea of calling those out for not being Packer fans is increasing.

I'm not stupid enough to say it's all one way.

So if you "need" me to acknowledge it goes both way consider this my acknowledement

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I will be so glad when he finally does retire so I can enjoy coming back to packer rats again I use to come here and read every day now I come and check once a week maybe because all thats here anymore is fighting and bull crap.
I am so over Brett yes I loved him as a packer and always will now hes left 1st year I was mad but still hurt that he left now its 2 years out I dont care what he does I just hope sometime in the future he can mend his ties with the packers all you young people out here have never had to suffer with a bad QB like us old time packer fans did we are so lucky to have arod here ,it makes it so much easier the vikes will have him 1 maybe 2 years we had him for 17? I think .
Any way for now its like Brett the packer is dead to me and the vikes have a great old QB named Brett that if he does not retire I hope we beat the cr@p out of next year.


Solid Post

it's really too bad some people have to act like jags about this.

''This is right; that is right. You're ignoring the truth; you don't know the truth. His name is Bert...Bert Bert..and you are wrong.. and not a real fan. A constant lack of respect and courtesy and continuous judgement towards posters as well as the former Packer""

Sad

Or on the other side.

"You're a hater, you're a hater. What a miserable life you must live to hate so much. You're hate caused the Packers to lose in the first round of the playoffs. Etc, Etc, Etc."

Poo is being flung both ways. Way to not even acknowledge that it goes both ways.

Sad.


Actually IMO the use of the term hater is rarely used anymore while the use of the word Bert and the idea of calling those out for not being Packer fans is increasing.

I'm not stupid enough to say it's all one way.

So if you "need" me to acknowledge it goes both way consider this my acknowledement

Your opinion would be based on what?

"Sounds to me like you are justifying why you hate." or "I get the biggest kick out of the majority of Favre bashers on here that say you could care less he is gone and the team is better off."-packerarcher.
"The bitterness and hate makes people look rather childish."-gex
007 calling people bitter or "My only problem is the hatred that is continued to be expressed." or "Really who cares anymore other than those looking for a reason to hate on the guy?"

Hardly rare.

What is increasing is people being called jags.

[Kiwon]

Who wins between the Vikings and the Saints? The answer is obvious.

The Saints will win.

All we've heard for 18 years is that Brett Favre doesn't play well in domes. Why is everybody being stupid? :mrgreen:

[MOBB DEEP]

Run for the fg position

Dayum

one love N.O.

[b bulldog]

Big game QB :oops: :lol:

[MOBB DEEP]

im sure he's done now

shoot!

[LEWCWA]

Maybe you all bitched about Brett for nothing. It was quite apparent that he hates the Vikes so much he had to lead them to the nfcc and then rip their hearts out! :twisted: :P

[The Shadow]

http://www.tigerrag.com/wp-content/uploads/ya-tittle.jpg

[packerbacker1234]

For those who have been hating: Grats on your poetic justice. May have ended his career with the vikes the same way he did with the pack.


For those of us who were still rooting for the guy: Tough loss. Favre showed a lot of guts, but at the end of regulation he couldn't help but be Brett. If he comes back next year, the vikes are pretty much just as good as they were today. Lots of loose balls, calls not going there way, and Brett having to be in the position to make the play he did to end it (maybe chilly runs it next time).

Great game, great career for #4. I do hope he comes back, as he is fun as hell to watch, but as a packers fan I hope he does not. He is the only thing standing between us as the NFC North champs next season. Hell of player, electric on the field, heart, grit, etc etc. However, the packers are better off if he retires so in the end I hope he does. If he does not, I'll enjoy another year getting to watch him, and hopefully a shot for the packers to win the division with him in it.

[RashanGary]

Favre is a damn good player, still is. He's taking such a toll on his body though. His ankle has been bad for years. Dick Butkis did this with the Bears he played until his knees were bone on bone and then he played some more. I think Brett's ankle is getting that way. Plus, I think most people know the Packers are on the rise.

I think this was the Vikings best shot, I think Brett knows that. I think next year (with or without Brett) is going to be a tougher division (starting with the Packers). I don't see him coming back. This was the chance he was hoping for and now, I think he has no hope. I think he'll accept that it's over.

[MOBB DEEP]

For those who have been hating: Grats on your poetic justice. May have ended his career with the vikes the same way he did with the pack.


For those of us who were still rooting for the guy: Tough loss. Favre showed a lot of guts, but at the end of regulation he couldn't help but be Brett. If he comes back next year, the vikes are pretty much just as good as they were today. Lots of loose balls, calls not going there way, and Brett having to be in the position to make the play he did to end it (maybe chilly runs it next time).

Great game, great career for #4. I do hope he comes back, as he is fun as hell to watch, but as a packers fan I hope he does not. He is the only thing standing between us as the NFC North champs next season. Hell of player, electric on the field, heart, grit, etc etc. However, the packers are better off if he retires so in the end I hope he does. If he does not, I'll enjoy another year getting to watch him, and hopefully a shot for the packers to win the division with him in it.

well said

see you all next season

GO CELTICS, GO BREWERS, GO CAPITALS, GO WILLIAMS SISTERS, GO TIGER, AND GO HOYAS...

[mmmdk]

Favre was a warrior today but he also didn't finish the job. Maybe next season? :wink:

[packerbacker1234]

Favre was a warrior today but he also didn't finish the job. Maybe next season? :wink:

He really was. He just kept getting pounded, watched his offense fall apart around him, tried his best to keep his team in the game by getting into the fumble piles even after hurting his ankle, he made good plays, bad plays, and it was an emotional rollercoaster for me of not wanting to see the vikings in the Super Bowl, and my amazement at what Favre was doing for that team. He carried them, and in the end it just seemed to be too much.

[digitaldean]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.

[Bretsky]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.


why are they ripping AP ? Don't understand ? Was he the guy who was not suppose to be in the huddle ???

[RashanGary]

Packerbacker, Favre did not carry them. He had 1 TD and two picks. He missed a handful of moderate skill level passes that could have changed the game. He was responsible for one lost fumble. He looked, physically, like he was barely keeping it together. He looked like a damn good player and a damn old player at the same time.

He wasn't the whole reason they lost, but he didn't carry them, only to be let down by everyone around him like the legend goes. That's the #1 reason I'm glad he's gone. When we win now, it's not about Rodgers carrying the whole team. When we lose, it's not about all of our guys being shit except for Rodgers. Unlike the past, we're a team now.

[swede]

For a guy missing three feet of intestines Favre sure has a lot of guts. Every time he took another hit and got up my heart was less hardened toward him.

He had a great year, he was a good teammate, and in a short while he will no longer be a Viking nor will he ever play this game again.

The Brett Favre story is the closest thing to a Greek tragedy ever to be written upon the green pages of NFL history.

[packerbacker1234]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.

Viking analysts have to be hard pressed to blame the loss on favre. yes, he made a bone headed play at the end, but it never should of came to that to begin with. It was one of those "you are just asking too much the guy" moments. You were already on the edge of FG range. Could of played it safe, ran the ball, and took a shot to win. They also should of never even had a pass play in mind if they didn't get the bone headed 12 man ont eh field mistake. Thats a pure coaching issue right there. Someone didn't have there crap straight on the sidelines.

Peterson really did his best to not just give away the game, but to cement the "we only can win if favre carries us" mentality. They tried to make it not be about brett, especially after he got hobbled, and they responded with fumble after fumble. Brett makes a nice play to berrian for a first down... fumble. Harvin runs... fumble. Peterson... what 3 charged fumbles, 4 in reality (the on on brett when peterson clamped his arms shut before he had the ball).

Etc Etc.

Defense did noteably do it's thing in the 4th. I will give them credit. But man, as the game drug on it became more and more that the vikings need a Favre like player to go anywhere. They really are going to be below average next season without the guy. He was a warrior today, even with the mistake at the end.

It just feels different then in 2007. Not sure why exactly, but Favre had so much on his shoulders this game it's unbelievable. He was getting pounded and pounded all game, got hurt, kept getting up., Tried to recover fumbles, kept making plays and sustaining drives only to see them fumbled away. It was just hard to watch.


If favre retires, I think the packers win the division next year uncontested.

[RashanGary]

For a guy missing three feet of intestines Favre sure has a lot of guts. Every time he took another hit and got up my heart was less hardened toward him.

He had a great year, he was a good teammate, and in a short while he will no longer be a Viking nor will he ever play this game again.

The Brett Favre story is the closest thing to a Greek tragedy ever to be written upon the green pages of NFL history.

Nice post. It sure felt that way.

[pbmax]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.


why are they ripping AP ? Don't understand ? Was he the guy who was not suppose to be in the huddle ???
He put it on the ground 3 times.

[digitaldean]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.


why are they ripping AP ? Don't understand ? Was he the guy who was not suppose to be in the huddle ???

They are stating that AP's fumbles were terribly costly. Plus the Keystone Kops organization from the sidelines getting the 12 man in the huddle penalty.

Listening to Favre's press conference he's delusional. He says he's going out on top. Maybe in stats, undoubtedly. The games like this, the NFCC vs. NYG, the Philly game..... I do remember the Detroit wild card game in Pontiac, and his SB XXXI performance. He was great, no doubt but not on top.

[RashanGary]

packerbacker, Favre had a 100 yard rusher. Favre was responsible for half of the turn overs. My gosh, he's had a damn fine career and a great year, but he was just one of many great players on the field today, you just can't see it in the other players because you tear them down to prop up your guy.

[MOBB DEEP]

plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.

ALL my knowledable friends are too

DAYUM

[Bretsky]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.


why are they ripping AP ? Don't understand ? Was he the guy who was not suppose to be in the huddle ???
He put it on the ground 3 times.


All physical mistakes aside, the mental ones are inexcusable

1. Who was responsible for the 12 men on the field ?

2. Favre not running to get his team 5 more yards cost the team the game

[MOBB DEEP]

Listening to Favre's press conference he's delusional. He says he's going out on top.

he's retiring?????????

[digitaldean]

No, he said if that he wasn't coming back, he's going out on top.

He said he will go back and think about it.

[Brewhaha]

Can you guys leave now? Move it on over to the Vikings forum because you aren't welcome as a Packers fan as far as I'm concerned.

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[packers11]

Favre is retiring...

Just look @ the trend...

Favre's last pass as a packer = int

Favre's last pass as a jet = int

Favre's last pass as a viking = int

[Bretsky]

Can you guys leave now? Move it on over to the Vikings forum because you aren't welcome as a Packers fan as far as I'm concerned.

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Do yourself a favor and stop reading the thread then :idea: :idea: :!:

[green_bowl_packer]

Favre is retiring...

Just look @ the trend...

Favre's last pass as a packer = int

Favre's last pass as a jet = int

Favre's last pass as a viking = int

But wait, there's more . . .

2005 - 4 picks in loss at home to Queens

2004 - INT to lose to Eagles

2003 - 20/42 w/ 2 INTs vs Falcons for 1st playoff loss in GB history

2002 - 6 INTs fiasco against the Rams

[Administrator]

Can you guys leave now? Move it on over to the Vikings forum because you aren't welcome as a Packers fan as far as I'm concerned.

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If I see anymore comments like this, I'll be deactivating accounts.

Keep the discussion on the details and not your personal feelings.

Brewhaha, if you want your point respected, maybe you should show up here more often?

You've tried this crap two weeks in a row. try it again, and it's you that'll be looking for a new home.

[pbmax]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.


why are they ripping AP ? Don't understand ? Was he the guy who was not suppose to be in the huddle ???
He put it on the ground 3 times.


All physical mistakes aside, the mental ones are inexcusable

1. Who was responsible for the 12 men on the field ?

2. Favre not running to get his team 5 more yards cost the team the game
I think you have to put muffing a hand off inside the 10 yard line as inexcusable.

[pbmax]

Can you guys leave now? Move it on over to the Vikings forum because you aren't welcome as a Packers fan as far as I'm concerned.

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If I close my eyes and wish real hard, will you please leave?

[Bretsky]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.


why are they ripping AP ? Don't understand ? Was he the guy who was not suppose to be in the huddle ???
He put it on the ground 3 times.


All physical mistakes aside, the mental ones are inexcusable

1. Who was responsible for the 12 men on the field ?

2. Favre not running to get his team 5 more yards cost the team the game
I think you have to put muffing a hand off inside the 10 yard line as inexcusable.



YUP; the QB has to get him that ball. Although...on NFL Network they broke it down and showed how close AP's top elbow was to the bottom hand so now I'm not even sure who to blame

[Bretsky]

Can you guys leave now? Move it on over to the Vikings forum because you aren't welcome as a Packers fan as far as I'm concerned.

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If I close my eyes and wish real hard, will you please leave?


on another note I'm not sure how the Saints can stay with Indy. I figured Indy would beat either the Saints or the Vikes

[pbmax]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.


why are they ripping AP ? Don't understand ? Was he the guy who was not suppose to be in the huddle ???
He put it on the ground 3 times.


All physical mistakes aside, the mental ones are inexcusable

1. Who was responsible for the 12 men on the field ?

2. Favre not running to get his team 5 more yards cost the team the game
I think you have to put muffing a hand off inside the 10 yard line as inexcusable.



YUP; the QB has to get him that ball. Although...on NFL Network they broke it down and showed how close AP's top elbow was to the bottom hand so now I'm not even sure who to blame

Aikman said it was AP not giving a big enough target for what its worth.

[Joemailman]

That's the way I saw it. Looked like AP brought his top hand down too early.

[Bossman641]

Can you guys leave now? Move it on over to the Vikings forum because you aren't welcome as a Packers fan as far as I'm concerned.

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If I close my eyes and wish real hard, will you please leave?


on another note I'm not sure how the Saints can stay with Indy. I figured Indy would beat either the Saints or the Vikes

Saints looked really tight. They need to figure things out and loosen up if they want any chance vs the Colts.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

So freaking satisfying. Like a big hit of crack or 5 orgasms in a row.

Ty watched with a bunch of guys who were neither pack or vike fans...skins, bills, cowboys, etc. All were rooting for Favre or thought the vikes would win.

All were loudly in Ty's face as Favre drove the Vikes down the field in the closing minutes. Ty did not waver. Ty said, wait, it will happen. And, boom..they saw what every reasonable pack fans has seen.

Bert's ego getting in the way. It is a team game and Bert blew it as Ty and many others knew he would.

Some random thoughts:

1. Favre plus vikings = 1 game better than Tjack. Think about that folks.
2. Favre responsible for 2.5 turnovers. Give Favre .5 on the AD fumble. The int at the end of the game was inexcusable. You can't make that throw...and you knew Bert would do just that.
3. Anyone who thinks he has the same arm as he use to have...they are dreaming.
4. Bert clearly has lost mobility...which is normal for an older guy. Anyone who thinks Bert woulda been better than Arod with our Oline is fucked up.
5. That mobility might have been helped by being in shape.
6. Chilly making bad play calls...who da thunk it. LOL
7. Game came down to turnovers and Bert contributed mightly to them..and the loss.

The vikings season was an abject failure. The bet the house on Bert and came up losers.

Now, the fun comes. Will he or won't he retire? LOL

[Scott Campbell]

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[Noodle]

Damn, SC, you have a rare talent for saying very much with very little.

[Zool]

With no offense to Ras, I couldn't have been any happier that those fuckers lost.

[Pugger]

With no offense to Ras, I couldn't have been any happier that those fuckers lost.

+1

[VegasPackFan]

I agree with Ty's post 100%.

I have been telling everyone that he would pull that INT out at the very worst time all year. He finally did it and it did not dissapoint. Lets face it. He put up impressive numbers year after year for the most part, but in the last decade of play, he ALWAYS screwed the pooch when it really mattered.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I agree with Ty's post 100%.

I have been telling everyone that he would pull that INT out at the very worst time all year. He finally did it and it did not dissapoint. Lets face it. He put up impressive numbers year after year for the most part, but in the last decade of play, he ALWAYS screwed the pooch when it really mattered.

Ty was torn actually. Couldn't determine when he would fuck up..this game or the SB.

Kinda glad it was this game. More enjoyable knowing Favre missed out on a media dicksucking favre lovefest. You know that is killing him.

But, Ty is sure that Favre, if he decides to come back, will be even more focused and determined. Ty expects him start throwing balls to high schoolers in early July this year.

[VegasPackFan]

I agree with Ty's post 100%.

I have been telling everyone that he would pull that INT out at the very worst time all year. He finally did it and it did not dissapoint. Lets face it. He put up impressive numbers year after year for the most part, but in the last decade of play, he ALWAYS screwed the pooch when it really mattered.

Ty was torn actually. Couldn't determine when he would fuck up..this game or the SB.

Kinda glad it was this game. More enjoyable knowing Favre missed out on a media dicksucking favre lovefest. You know that is killing him.

But, Ty is sure that Favre, if he decides to come back, will be even more focused and determined. Ty expects him start throwing balls to high schoolers in early July this year.

Well, that is the Viqueens problem now. We have our guy and He will be around to help our team from the onset of off season activities. Favre will hold the Queens hostage all off season and probably demand to be taken back one week before the regular season starts.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

With no offense to Ras, I couldn't have been any happier that those fuckers lost.

+1

Ty has thought about this a bit.

Ty is going to say that he would have been less happy if the Vikes had lost without Favre.

[Gunakor]

I thought it was poetic justice that after everything that we've gone through these past 2 seasons that his season ended exactly the same for the Vikings as it did for the Packers.

In all fairness to Brett, however, I thought he laid it all on the field tonight. It would have been tough for any QB to overcome that many turnovers and win a game against a championship caliber football team. As critical as Favre was to tonight's loss for the Vikings, I thought he was just as critical to the Vikings being in the game in the first place. It was an admirable performace.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I agree with Ty's post 100%.

I have been telling everyone that he would pull that INT out at the very worst time all year. He finally did it and it did not dissapoint. Lets face it. He put up impressive numbers year after year for the most part, but in the last decade of play, he ALWAYS screwed the pooch when it really mattered.

Ty was torn actually. Couldn't determine when he would fuck up..this game or the SB.

Kinda glad it was this game. More enjoyable knowing Favre missed out on a media dicksucking favre lovefest. You know that is killing him.

But, Ty is sure that Favre, if he decides to come back, will be even more focused and determined. Ty expects him start throwing balls to high schoolers in early July this year.

Well, that is the Viqueens problem now. We have our guy and He will be around to help our team from the onset of off season activities. Favre will hold the Queens hostage all off season and probably demand to be taken back one week before the regular season starts.

Yeah, it would suck being a Vikes fan right now.

Knowing that bert has "retired" twice, 2 years in a row..can you believe a word outta his mouth?

[GrnBay007]

I thought it was poetic justice that after everything that we've gone through these past 2 seasons that his season ended exactly the same for the Vikings as it did for the Packers.



:cnf:

[MOBB DEEP]

take into account im WASTED ppl

lol...the freaks come out at night

GET LIVES u loathesome losers...if i were a staunch vike fan i would remind yall that vikes beat pack twice and WON the division :roll: which is an acomplishment...in the past when the pack have lost i didnt get any REAL satisfaction out of ANY others teams struggles b/c i was too busy lamenting MY teams loss

and never mind that he took vikes further than last year huh?

lets all gloat at anothers "demise..." who does that? well-rounded individuals? NO!

...hahahaha nice charater trait and SO impressive...hope i can be like yall when i grow up; sure yall older than me and dispaly SUCH wisdom i want to emmulate

any broad bashn brett probaly had crush on him 3 years ago and got low self esteem, wishn aaron would get up with them

and who here REALLY believes what "ty" says anyway....he has no friends IM SURE; he was probaly WATCHN a bunch of "cool" guys watch the game from afar lmao

i can jus imagie how dumpy and gay some of u all look in person

trust me, suave, self assured ppl dont seek to down others they jus keep it moving

self evaluate; favre aint did JACK to you personally. and if the vikes or pack win or lose your life changes NONE; you will still be haters lol

obviously im still tryna finish the HUGE bottle of gin i bought for the championshipm games. i vowed to not drink any more after favre is eliminated; no need for big guts like u lazy, non athletic schmucks

again im wasted and other than meanie ty (who can EASILY take it and dish it) im not individualizn

[MOBB DEEP]

As critical as Favre was to tonight's loss for the Vikings, I thought he was just as critical to the Vikings being in the game in the first place. It was an admirable performace.

good eye

thats watsup

[Tyrone Bigguns]

take into account im WASTED ppl

lol...the freaks come out at night

GET LIVES u loathesome losers...if i were a staunch vike fan i would remind yall that vikes beat pack twice and WON the division :roll: which is an acomplishment...in the past when the pack have lost i didnt get any REAL satisfaction out of ANY others teams struggles b/c i was too busy lamenting MY teams loss

and never mind that he took vikes further than last year huh?

lets all gloat at anothers "demise..." who does that? well-rounded individuals? NO!

...hahahaha nice charater trait and SO impressive...hope i can be like yall when i grow up; sure yall older than me and dispaly SUCH wisdom i want to emmulate

any broad bashn brett probaly had crush on him 3 years ago and got low self esteem, wishn aaron would get up with them

and who here REALLY believes what "ty" says anyway....he has no friends IM SURE; he was probaly WATCHN a bunch of "cool" guys watch the game from afar lmao

i can jus imagie how dumpy and gay some of u all look in person

trust me, suave, self assured ppl dont seek to down others they jus keep it moving

self evaluate; favre aint did JACK to you personally. and if the vikes or pack win or lose your life changes NONE; you will still be haters lol

obviously im still tryna finish the HUGE bottle of gin i bought for the championshipm games. i vowed to not drink any more after favre is eliminated; no need for big guts like u lazy, non athletic schmucks

again im wasted and other than meanie ty (who can EASILY take it and dish it) im not individualizn

Lord Favre!

P.S. Is this how a good christian posts? Calling others loathsome? Slurring others. Using gay as a slur? Dont' you love homosexuals?

Jess messin wit you mobb. keep drynkn. taykz aweigh tha payne.

[DannoMac21]

Can you guys leave now? Move it on over to the Vikings forum because you aren't welcome as a Packers fan as far as I'm concerned.

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:bclap: LMAO

[DannoMac21]

take into account im WASTED ppl

lol...the freaks come out at night

GET LIVES u loathesome losers...if i were a staunch vike fan i would remind yall that vikes beat pack twice and WON the division :roll: which is an acomplishment...in the past when the pack have lost i didnt get any REAL satisfaction out of ANY others teams struggles b/c i was too busy lamenting MY teams loss

and never mind that he took vikes further than last year huh?

lets all gloat at anothers "demise..." who does that? well-rounded individuals? NO!

...hahahaha nice charater trait and SO impressive...hope i can be like yall when i grow up; sure yall older than me and dispaly SUCH wisdom i want to emmulate

any broad bashn brett probaly had crush on him 3 years ago and got low self esteem, wishn aaron would get up with them

and who here REALLY believes what "ty" says anyway....he has no friends IM SURE; he was probaly WATCHN a bunch of "cool" guys watch the game from afar lmao

i can jus imagie how dumpy and gay some of u all look in person

trust me, suave, self assured ppl dont seek to down others they jus keep it moving

self evaluate; favre aint did JACK to you personally. and if the vikes or pack win or lose your life changes NONE; you will still be haters lol

obviously im still tryna finish the HUGE bottle of gin i bought for the championshipm games. i vowed to not drink any more after favre is eliminated; no need for big guts like u lazy, non athletic schmucks

again im wasted and other than meanie ty (who can EASILY take it and dish it) im not individualizn

Let's puff a blunt dude

[Gunakor]

I thought it was poetic justice that after everything that we've gone through these past 2 seasons that his season ended exactly the same for the Vikings as it did for the Packers.



:cnf:

You know, manipulating the system twice to get what he wanted rather than just honoring the contract he signed a long time ago. Retiring to get released, just to get out of a contract that stipulates where he was to play (and was NOT to play). Going on national TV to throw a hissy fit. That's no way to handle a problem, and I'm just glad to see that all that trouble he went through to spite his contract and our franchise has brought him to the exact same place he was before he left.

He wasn't supposed to be a Viking. Ever. Even if that's what he wanted most. His contract said he was a Packer, and when traded to the Jets that agreement stated that he would not be a Viking. His manipulation of that is what is most bothersome to me. I don't have what I want most, either, but whenever I complain about it all I hear is how life isn't fair. It's comforting to see that life isn't always any more fair when you cause a fuss and manipulate the system.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I thought it was poetic justice that after everything that we've gone through these past 2 seasons that his season ended exactly the same for the Vikings as it did for the Packers.



:cnf:

You know, manipulating the system twice to get what he wanted rather than just honoring the contract he signed a long time ago. Retiring to get released, just to get out of a contract that stipulates where he was to play (and was NOT to play). Going on national TV to throw a hissy fit. That's no way to handle a problem, and I'm just glad to see that all that trouble he went through to spite his contract and our franchise has brought him to the exact same place he was before he left.

He wasn't supposed to be a Viking. Ever. Even if that's what he wanted most. His contract said he was a Packer, and when traded to the Jets that agreement stated that he would not be a Viking. His manipulation of that is what is most bothersome to me. I don't have what I want most, either, but whenever I complain about it all I hear is how life isn't fair. It's comforting to see that life isn't always any more fair when you cause a fuss and manipulate the system.

007 wont' get that..because those are facts she won't admit.

Life isn't fair. But, Ty will admit that even with this loss Bert still raked in a cool 12 mill and has a pretty hot wife. One can only hope life is treating you as well when it isn't fair with you. :wink:

[Fritz]

Listening to KFAN. They are ripping Peterson a new one plus the playcalling at the end of regulation.


why are they ripping AP ? Don't understand ? Was he the guy who was not suppose to be in the huddle ???
He put it on the ground 3 times.


All physical mistakes aside, the mental ones are inexcusable

1. Who was responsible for the 12 men on the field ?

2. Favre not running to get his team 5 more yards cost the team the game

It's one of the things that cost the team the game, but on the whole I want to say that you bring up a good point. The crazy dumb interceptions are more fun to talk about, but Favre's reluctance to run even when he's got an open field has cost his teams the last few years. I'm talking about the ones where there's a pretty open field yet Favre throws it five or ten yards anyway, at key times when a first down is needed. I don't know that it was the only mistake anyone made - that is, it's hard to say that only one play cost anyone any game - but I think it's an astute point about Favre's reluctance to run the past few years, Bretsky.

[packrulz]

Favre has thrown 30 interceptions in the playoffs.
A list of Brett Favre's top five playoff meltdowns as compiled by Don Gulbrandsen, author and manager editor of Triumph Books, and Ross Bernstein, author of I Love Brett Favre, I Hate Brett Favre.



1. The Ugly End

Date: Jan. 20, 2008

Score: Giants 23, Packers 20

Why It Mattered: On a frigid night in Green Bay and with a Super Bowl berth on the line, Favre faded badly in the second half of the NFC Championship game. He ended his Packer career with an ugly overtime interception to Corey Webster that the Giants converted into the game-winning field goal. Favre said good-bye to Green Bay looking old, cold, and indifferent.



2. QB Matchup Meltdown

Date: Jan. 21, 2002

Score: Rams 45, Packers 17

Why It Mattered: The hype for the "Brett Favre vs. Kurt Warner" showdown in the NFC playoffs was huge, but Favre delivered one of the worst postseason quarterback performances in history, tossing six interceptions with two returned for touchdowns.



3. Humiliated by the Vikes

Date: Jan. 9, 2005

Score: Vikings 31, Packers 17

Why It Mattered: Minnesota visited Lambeau Field as a lightly regarded, 8-8 Wild Card team. The Packers were division champs on a late season roll. Favre responded with yet another playoff stinker, throwing four interceptions. The bad taste of this game carried over into a disastrous 2005 and led to the firing of coach Mike Sherman.



4. Outplayed by Michael Vick

Date: Jan. 4, 2003

Score: Falcons 27, Packers 7

Why It Mattered: As NFC North champs, the Packers were a big favorite going into this Wild Card matchup. Green Bay never got on track offensively, Atlanta jumped out to a big lead, and Favre killed any second half comeback attempt with poor play—a lost fumble and an interception in Green Bay's first home playoff loss in history.



5. Gift Pick for the Eagles

Date: Jan. 11, 2004

Score: Eagles 20, Packers 17

Why It Mattered: Favre led Green Bay to a first-quarter advantage in this NFC playoff contest, then seemingly disappeared for the rest of the game. Handed a chance to win in overtime, Favre heaved an ill-advised pass into the hands of Philly's Brian Dawkins. The Eagles converted the pick into the game-winning field goal.



Given his long record of playoff futility, does anyone seriously expect this leopard to change his stripes?

ESPN's Mike and Mike certainly do not. Never known as Saints believers, both Mikes predicted a New Orleans victory, expressing doubts about the Vikings' ability to stop the Saints' underrated running game.

They also expressed concern about Favre reverting to his old playoff meltdown ways.

[channtheman]

Last time Favre was in the playoffs he had his biggest comeback ever (14 pts.) He followed that up with an abysmal performance in the cold where he looked like he really didn't want to be out there

This year he broke his single postseason record for TD's in a game (4) and followed that up with another of his classic playoff performances. Favre will possibly put you in a position to win, but rest assured that mother fucker WILL rip it away and stomp on your hearts at the same time.

I pissed off a lot of Viking fans at the Card/Vike game a month ago and told them just wait, when it matters most, he will destroy you. Well, fuckers look who's laughing now. I loved seeing Favre finally fuck up this season. For the most part he played within himself and took what he was given. But none of that matters when in the biggest game of the year you fuck something up in such an elementary fashion.

I may have said I was indifferent to Favre, but yesterday I still wanted to see that bastard fuck the game up and boy did he deliver! So will this bastard retire or will he come back. Who cares now because we get to laugh at the Vikings as they deal with it and be glad we've got a top 5 young QB for the next 10 years.

[pbmax]

I can take no true joy out of these playoffs. The sense of vindication from Brett's mistakes ending another team's season is shallow, short and cruel. And the Packer bowed out way too early.

But I am definitely looking forward to him coming back and kicking his hindquarters twice next year. I am not sure the Vikings offseason situation, but that team should contend again and I hope Brett comes back for that and does not remain satisfied just having beaten Ted. Mike and Aaron twice.

[Scott Campbell]

Chilly tried to send Longwell out to kick the game winning field goal, but Favre wouldn't come out of the game.

[hoosier]

For a guy missing three feet of intestines Favre sure has a lot of guts. Every time he took another hit and got up my heart was less hardened toward him.

He had a great year, he was a good teammate, and in a short while he will no longer be a Viking nor will he ever play this game again.

The Brett Favre story is the closest thing to a Greek tragedy ever to be written upon the green pages of NFL history.

Good point. Hubris + blindness to own faults = tragedy.

[Fritz]

It was classic Brent - the unforced mental error. And it is what remained maddening about him throughout his Packer career. Troy Aikman put it well: it is a rookie mistake. It's an unforced mental mistake. Favre had room to run - maybe not the 10 - 15 yards that the announcers claimed, but probably 7 - 10 yards - and safely then give Longwell an opportunity to kick a 47 - 50 yarder in a dome.

But reasons unbeknownst to us all, Favre did what he most often did - he preferred a throw, and a dangerous throw at that. He didn't need to do it, he had a better and safer alternative, yet he chose to make a throw.

It's his greatest fault as a player, and one that in my mind keeps him just behind the Peyton Mannings and the Joe Montanas in NFL history.

You'd expect that play out of a young guy, not a grizzled vet. But Favre could not help himself. You live with him, you die with him. And the deaths are excruciating.

[MOBB DEEP]

take into account im WASTED ppl

lol...the freaks come out at night

GET LIVES u loathesome losers...if i were a staunch vike fan i would remind yall that vikes beat pack twice and WON the division :roll: which is an acomplishment...in the past when the pack have lost i didnt get any REAL satisfaction out of ANY others teams struggles b/c i was too busy lamenting MY teams loss

and never mind that he took vikes further than last year huh?

lets all gloat at anothers "demise..." who does that? well-rounded individuals? NO!

...hahahaha nice charater trait and SO impressive...hope i can be like yall when i grow up; sure yall older than me and dispaly SUCH wisdom i want to emmulate

any broad bashn brett probaly had crush on him 3 years ago and got low self esteem, wishn aaron would get up with them

and who here REALLY believes what "ty" says anyway....he has no friends IM SURE; he was probaly WATCHN a bunch of "cool" guys watch the game from afar lmao

i can jus imagie how dumpy and gay some of u all look in person

trust me, suave, self assured ppl dont seek to down others they jus keep it moving

self evaluate; favre aint did JACK to you personally. and if the vikes or pack win or lose your life changes NONE; you will still be haters lol

obviously im still tryna finish the HUGE bottle of gin i bought for the championshipm games. i vowed to not drink any more after favre is eliminated; no need for big guts like u lazy, non athletic schmucks

again im wasted and other than meanie ty (who can EASILY take it and dish it) im not individualizn

Lord Favre!

P.S. Is this how a good christian posts? Calling others loathsome? Slurring others. Using gay as a slur? Dont' you love homosexuals?

Jess messin wit you mobb. keep drynkn. taykz aweigh tha payne.

Yeah, i was outta control...woke up and told wifey i had to apologize and she agreed...fortunately ppl here arent too thined skinned but i HAVE to ask for forgiveness b/c thats NOT how i should or want to respond to something i have NO control over!

still gota go provide therapy to the crack babies on my client list

[hoosier]

It was classic Brent - the unforced mental error. And it is what remained maddening about him throughout his Packer career. Troy Aikman put it well: it is a rookie mistake. It's an unforced mental mistake. Favre had room to run - maybe not the 10 - 15 yards that the announcers claimed, but probably 7 - 10 yards - and safely then give Longwell an opportunity to kick a 47 - 50 yarder in a dome.

But reasons unbeknownst to us all, Favre did what he most often did - he preferred a throw, and a dangerous throw at that. He didn't need to do it, he had a better and safer alternative, yet he chose to make a throw.

It's his greatest fault as a player, and one that in my mind keeps him just behind the Peyton Mannings and the Joe Montanas in NFL history.

You'd expect that play out of a young guy, not a grizzled vet. But Favre could not help himself. You live with him, you die with him. And the deaths are excruciating.

I think it was Joe Buck who reported early in the game that Favre had said something like "for the first time in his career he doesn't feel like he has to score every time he has the ball." Leaving aside the fact that this is a ridiculous comment and an insult to those mid-1990s Packer defenses, I think what we saw at the end of regulation was just Favre reverting to what he has always been: someone who feels he must take the game into his own hands at crunch time. He did not take the 7 yard scramble on 3rd down because that would have been leaving it in someone else's hands.

[MOBB DEEP]

take into account im WASTED ppl

lol...the freaks come out at night

GET LIVES u loathesome losers...if i were a staunch vike fan i would remind yall that vikes beat pack twice and WON the division :roll: which is an acomplishment...in the past when the pack have lost i didnt get any REAL satisfaction out of ANY others teams struggles b/c i was too busy lamenting MY teams loss

and never mind that he took vikes further than last year huh?

lets all gloat at anothers "demise..." who does that? well-rounded individuals? NO!

...hahahaha nice charater trait and SO impressive...hope i can be like yall when i grow up; sure yall older than me and dispaly SUCH wisdom i want to emmulate

any broad bashn brett probaly had crush on him 3 years ago and got low self esteem, wishn aaron would get up with them

and who here REALLY believes what "ty" says anyway....he has no friends IM SURE; he was probaly WATCHN a bunch of "cool" guys watch the game from afar lmao

i can jus imagie how dumpy and gay some of u all look in person

trust me, suave, self assured ppl dont seek to down others they jus keep it moving

self evaluate; favre aint did JACK to you personally. and if the vikes or pack win or lose your life changes NONE; you will still be haters lol

obviously im still tryna finish the HUGE bottle of gin i bought for the championshipm games. i vowed to not drink any more after favre is eliminated; no need for big guts like u lazy, non athletic schmucks

again im wasted and other than meanie ty (who can EASILY take it and dish it) im not individualizn

Let's puff a blunt dude

lol...THATS what was missing at 2 am

mad as HECK b/c vikes were CLEARLY better but turnovers kill!

favres toughness was admirable but once again his mental resembled his peeps at the Broke Spoke bar and Grill in Kiln.....

[MOBB DEEP]

I can take no true joy out of these playoffs. The sense of vindication from Brett's mistakes ending another team's season is shallow, short and cruel. And the Packer bowed out way too early.

But I am definitely looking forward to him coming back and kicking his hindquarters twice next year. I am not sure the Vikings offseason situation, but that team should contend again and I hope Brett comes back for that and does not remain satisfied just having beaten Ted. Mike and Aaron twice.

u da man

[Scott Campbell]

http://media.jsonline.com/images/600*562/ap-nfc-championship-football(7).jpg

[Scott Campbell]

This is how I'll always remember his time as a Viking:

http://media.jsonline.com/images/600*574/ap-nfc-championship-football(10).jpg

[sheepshead]

This is decidedly better than Favre lifting the Lombardi Trophy, tearful. Looking skyward at Irv. We would have had to endure that image the rest of our lives.

[Scott Campbell]

He looks like a kid out there - just havin fun!

http://media.jsonline.com/images/364*600/ap-nfc-championship-footballb(2).jpg