OFFICIAL BRETT THE LIVING LEGEND THREAD

[Patler]

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[Scott Campbell]

http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Aaron+Rodgers+Super+Bowl+XLV+Champions+Green+NCGry nKkblUl.jpg

[Freak Out]

No you don't.

[Scott Campbell]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/093/372/107594040_crop_358x243.jpg?1292899415

[Freak Out]

Man.....that was some rapid fire posting SC.....you are truly dedicated to this topic. :)

[Freak Out]

http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/093/372/107594040_crop_358x243.jpg?1292899415

Ha.....I think that's it. :)

[Scott Campbell]

Woodson: Favre had lots of opportunities to reach out to Rodgers

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 18, 2011, 5:04 PM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/favrerodgers2.jpg?w=250The reports this week that Brett Favre wants to bury the hatchet (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/15/one-packer-says-favre-wants-to-bury-hatchet-with-rodgers/) with Aaron Rodgers (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3118) has one player who’s been teammates with both of them wondering what took Favre so long.
Charles Woodson said today on ESPN’s Jim Rome Is Burning that if Favre wants to reach out, that’s fine. But Rodgers should get to savor his status as the reigning Super Bowl Most Valuable Player without any Favre-related distractions.
“This deal with Brett, I’m not sure what that’s all about,” Woodson said. “I know he’s had numerous opportunities to reach out. Why now? I don’t know. But for A-Rod, he doesn’t have to do anything. He’s a champion, he needs to enjoy this moment and not even worry about all that.”
One Packers player told Mike Freeman of CBS that he thinks the bitterness between Rodgers and Favre runs deep enough that if Favre did call, Rodgers might not answer. Woodson said he thinks Rodgers would talk to Favre, although he’s not sure it would be the friendliest of conversations.
“I don’t know the extent of what their relationship was,” Woodson said. “If Brett called him, he’d probably take the call. What’s said? I don’t know.”
None of us knows what would be said between Favre and Rodgers at this point. But we’d all like to hear it.

[Scott Campbell]

Man.....that was some rapid fire posting SC.....you are truly dedicated to this topic. :)


I sniped Patler.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Scott Campbell]

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/redeye-homers/assets_c/2010/11/favre%20sack%201113-thumb-572xauto-261753.jpg

[MJZiggy]

Why should any thread die unless it becomes so maligning or sick for this forum that to continue it would be obviouly detrimentlle to the overall good health and moral of PackerRats?

It certainly shouldn't die because posters, like you MJ, feel as you do about Brett Favre and for whatever reason (s) you choose to judge him. He's a human being he made errors. On that note he let many of us down. That doesn't mean he needs to be banished forever at PackerRats and this thread serves the purpose to post any info. on Favre and not populate the other threads with whatever news comes out on him.

On the flip side' of those character issues and the rest of the speculations RE: his departure fr. Green Bay:

Brett Favre was once one of the greatest Packer QB's. He'll be in the HOF. His resume as an NFL QB is outstanding. The positives can be listed on and on. I see no 'real' problem with this thread living on.

Here's a clear solution for you MJ and those that are like you and annoyed by this thread:

** Ignore this thread MJ. Would you have a difficult time doing that? That hard for you? if so then maybe PM your friends and make a pact to go there **. Sort of a mutual support group. to boycott this thread and never post too or respond to any post in it. Ignore this thread don't whine about it's existance.

Allow those of us who see no issue with this thread some PEACE about it's existance and standing here.

My suggestions are too logical MJ. (-: Everyone ' wins '.

GO PACKERS!


Uhhhh...you do understand what it means to let a thread die, right, Buck? No one (at least not me) is suggesting deleting it.

[retailguy]

I enjoy the Favre debate. As time goes by, I'll eventually be one of hte old timers that talks about how overrated he was. I was big fan of a lot of those teams and the credit Favre took from his teammates over the years with his dramatic, "me me" personality is always something I will remind people of when we look back on those great teams that always seemed to fall short with a bone headed interception.

http://www.soldiersperspective.us/images/PicturesFromBlogger/March2005/032705LegendInHisMind.jpg

[mraynrand]

Damn you Scott! OK, here are my choices for post #8000:



http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/HisWay.jpg

[mraynrand]

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/oldfavrecopy.jpg

[mraynrand]

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/Favre/FavreBrown.jpg

[mraynrand]

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/Favre/vikingfavre2.jpg

[mraynrand]

And my number one choice for post #8000:

http://i453.photobucket.com/albums/qq254/mraynrand/Favre/SIFavre.jpg

[Freak Out]

STOP THE MADNESS! :)

[easy cheesy]

STOP THE MADNESS! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lqn5AIdd-9k

[Fritz]

Here's a quote from Woodson from the above article, on Brent apparently making it known lately that he wants to "reach out" to Rodgers: "“I know he’s had numerous opportunities to reach out. Why now? I don’t know."

Yeah....why now, Brent? Let it die, dude. Or start making noises about wanting to contact Rodgers in the spring, when the players get locked out and we've got nothing to talk about. Or better yet, just contact Rodgers and don't make noises about doing so in the media.

[PaCkFan_n_MD]

Its sad what has become of him. I hope he turns it around some how. I love Rodgers but I didn't forget Brett and all those years of watching him.

[mraynrand]

STOP THE MADNESS! :)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWv53OJ-ydI

[pbmax]

Here's a quote from Woodson from the above article, on Brent apparently making it known lately that he wants to "reach out" to Rodgers: "“I know he’s had numerous opportunities to reach out. Why now? I don’t know."

Yeah....why now, Brent? Let it die, dude. Or start making noises about wanting to contact Rodgers in the spring, when the players get locked out and we've got nothing to talk about. Or better yet, just contact Rodgers and don't make noises about doing so in the media.

If Brett was in a buddy cop picture, he would want to be the Good Cop during interrogations. And press conferences.

[Patler]

Has Favre now managed to make Rodgers look like the bad guy in this to some? Media questioning what RODGERS would do if FAVRE reached out to him? RODGERS obstructing the healing process? Unbelievable.

Rodgers has been a complete gentleman when it comes to all things Favre. We do know that Rodgers tried to contact Favre, and Favre ignored him. But now Rodgers attitude is questioned?

I wish someone in the national media would openly question Favre's sincerity and motives. His attempts at manipulation never end.

[Patler]

I sniped Patler.

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'll get ya at 10,000! :lol:

[gbgary]

I wish someone in the national media would openly question Favre's sincerity and motives. His attempts at manipulation never end.

yup...wish he'd just STFU!

[pbmax]

Has Favre now managed to make Rodgers look like the bad guy in this to some? Media questioning what RODGERS would do if FAVRE reached out to him? RODGERS obstructing the healing process? Unbelievable.

Rodgers has been a complete gentleman when it comes to all things Favre. We do know that Rodgers tried to contact Favre, and Favre ignored him. But now Rodgers attitude is questioned?

I wish someone in the national media would openly question Favre's sincerity and motives. His attempts at manipulation never end.

I agree. If only I had access to a short, 150 or so character method of disseminating a sound bite to the national attention.

We need Conan to Tweet this. Ashton Kutcher might work as well. Maybe Beiber.

[gbgary]

I agree. If only I had access to a short, 150 or so character method of disseminating a sound bite to the national attention.

We need Conan to Tweet this. Ashton Kutcher might work as well. Maybe Beiber.

bieber says "whatever they have in minnesota is bad!"

[Fritz]

Has Favre now managed to make Rodgers look like the bad guy in this to some? Media questioning what RODGERS would do if FAVRE reached out to him? RODGERS obstructing the healing process? Unbelievable.

Rodgers has been a complete gentleman when it comes to all things Favre. We do know that Rodgers tried to contact Favre, and Favre ignored him. But now Rodgers attitude is questioned?

I wish someone in the national media would openly question Favre's sincerity and motives. His attempts at manipulation never end.


He is the master. I could see him teaching young Kwai Chang Caine how to manipulate the media.

[woodbuck27]

I also think it fitting that Deadspin and this young lass will have their prominent place in Bert's legacy.

http://static.thehollywoodgossip.com/images/gallery/jennifer-sterger-pic.jpg

Yea Scott....the thing is. I really cannot understand what any man would see in her. Ohhh wait a second ... there... just put my spectacles on. Got it !!

[woodbuck27]

http://www.packersgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/ed-Thompson.jpg

CONGRATULATIONS Scott !! Somehow I suspected that 'a Favre keener like you' would be on top of that 8000th post in this 'Giant of a thread'. Way to go Scott ! Outstanding concentration.

Dear Lord couldn't help noticing. Those two are aging rapidly. Ted Thompson and Aaron Rodgers looked great back then. Wondering if they're taking their 'One a day Multi-Vit'?

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Man.....that was some rapid fire posting SC.....you are truly dedicated to this topic. :)

Ohh yes! Scott secretly loves Brett Favre. He's into the ass of this thread more than anyone @ Packerrats. Your cover's blown Scott.

[woodbuck27]

Woodson: Favre had lots of opportunities to reach out to Rodgers

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 18, 2011, 5:04 PM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/favrerodgers2.jpg?w=250The reports this week that Brett Favre wants to bury the hatchet (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/15/one-packer-says-favre-wants-to-bury-hatchet-with-rodgers/) with Aaron Rodgers (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3118) has one player who’s been teammates with both of them wondering what took Favre so long.
Charles Woodson said today on ESPN’s Jim Rome Is Burning that if Favre wants to reach out, that’s fine. But Rodgers should get to savor his status as the reigning Super Bowl Most Valuable Player without any Favre-related distractions.
“This deal with Brett, I’m not sure what that’s all about,” Woodson said. “I know he’s had numerous opportunities to reach out. Why now? I don’t know. But for A-Rod, he doesn’t have to do anything. He’s a champion, he needs to enjoy this moment and not even worry about all that.”
One Packers player told Mike Freeman of CBS that he thinks the bitterness between Rodgers and Favre runs deep enough that if Favre did call, Rodgers might not answer. Woodson said he thinks Rodgers would talk to Favre, although he’s not sure it would be the friendliest of conversations.
“I don’t know the extent of what their relationship was,” Woodson said. “If Brett called him, he’d probably take the call. What’s said? I don’t know.”
None of us knows what would be said between Favre and Rodgers at this point. But we’d all like to hear it.

Gee Scott. Didn't realize your so much into 'the soaps'.

[Kiwon]

Woody, don't start the feud with SC again. Please.

Goodness, let's enjoy the SB victory, have some fun at Favre's expense and enjoy the off-season. Just a thought.

[woodbuck27]

Feud...uhh?! Nope. A man like Scott can handle those posts. There all 'tongue in cheek' Kiwon. Meant to be harmless. (-:

[woodbuck27]

Yea Scott....the thing is. I really cannot understand what any man would see in her. Ohhh wait a second ... there... just put my spectacles on. Got it !!

Nice tan.

[vince]

Worth 1000 words.
http://cmsimg.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=U0&Date=20101121&Category=PKR0201&ArtNo=11210808&Ref=PH&Item=59&Maxw=542&Maxh=352&q=60

[mraynrand]

Say, how come Favre didn't sign with the Packers so he could then retire a Packer? Guys do that stuff all the time!

[pbmax]

Say, how come Favre didn't sign with the Packers so he could then retire a Packer? Guys do that stuff all the time!

He is not sure how the team would react if he tried to call. They might ignore it, hang up or make him look foolish in the media. Its tough being Brett.

Maybe he could have a friend talk to them and see if they still like him.

http://www.advocare.com/endorsers/images/large/ryan_longwell.jpg

[Fritz]

Maybe the friend could arrange a dinner meeting at Applebee's.

[mraynrand]

OMG! Like, Donald, could you like ask McCarthy if he sorta like, ya know, likes me still. I mean, well, it's just that he's soooo cute and I can't like ask him to his face. He was just so weird in the hallway, like, he was talking to his friends and was all like "I'm really busy" and I was like "I'm really busy with ya know, like homework and youtube and like facebook." Maybe he could like have one of his friends facebook me.

[Fritz]

Maybe he could pass a little note to his friend Donald who could pass it on to one of Mike's friends, who could then give the note to Mike. The note would have this: "Do you like me? ___Yes ___No ___Maybe."

[Patler]

Say, how come Favre didn't sign with the Packers so he could then retire a Packer? Guys do that stuff all the time!

Yup. The fact that he didn't do it, didn't think of it, whatever, demonstrates his lack of concern/desire for a lasting association with the Green Bay Packers. Many, many former Packers have done it, even some who played for long periods after leaving GB. It seems like every off season you hear of another doing it. Apparently, it didn't mean enough to Favre for him to do it.

Supposedly he has filed his retirement papers, so he will be forever listed under "Minnesota Vikings" on the lists of retired players. A small thing, but another revealing tidbit into the man.

[Joemailman]

If Favre had done that, I wonder how many here would be saying Favre is trying to associate himself with the Packers because they won the Super Bowl. Let's face it, due to the negative atmosphere (mostly his doing), he'll draw criticism whether he tries to mend fences with the Packers or distances himself from the Packers. I think maintaining a low profile for a while, which he seems to be doing, is the best move.

[Patler]

If Favre had done that, I wonder how many here would be saying Favre is trying to associate himself with the Packers because they won the Super Bowl. Let's face it, due to the negative atmosphere (mostly his doing), he'll draw criticism whether he tries to mend fences with the Packers or distances himself from the Packers. I think maintaining a low profile for a while, which he seems to be doing, is the best move.

The NFL confirmed on Jan 17 that Favre had already filed his retirement papers This was before the Packers even won the Conference Championship. Since the 17th was on a Monday, I suspect he had filed them at least the week before, even before the Packers beat Atlanta. In all likelihood, he filed them right after his retirement announcement following the Vikings last game.

[Pugger]

Woodson: Favre had lots of opportunities to reach out to Rodgers

Posted by Michael David Smith on February 18, 2011, 5:04 PM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/favrerodgers2.jpg?w=250The reports this week that Brett Favre wants to bury the hatchet (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/02/15/one-packer-says-favre-wants-to-bury-hatchet-with-rodgers/) with Aaron Rodgers (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3118) has one player who’s been teammates with both of them wondering what took Favre so long.
Charles Woodson said today on ESPN’s Jim Rome Is Burning that if Favre wants to reach out, that’s fine. But Rodgers should get to savor his status as the reigning Super Bowl Most Valuable Player without any Favre-related distractions.
“This deal with Brett, I’m not sure what that’s all about,” Woodson said. “I know he’s had numerous opportunities to reach out. Why now? I don’t know. But for A-Rod, he doesn’t have to do anything. He’s a champion, he needs to enjoy this moment and not even worry about all that.”
One Packers player told Mike Freeman of CBS that he thinks the bitterness between Rodgers and Favre runs deep enough that if Favre did call, Rodgers might not answer. Woodson said he thinks Rodgers would talk to Favre, although he’s not sure it would be the friendliest of conversations.
“I don’t know the extent of what their relationship was,” Woodson said. “If Brett called him, he’d probably take the call. What’s said? I don’t know.”
None of us knows what would be said between Favre and Rodgers at this point. But we’d all like to hear it.

Take a look at the photo here. Does this look like 2 guys who can't stand each other? Good lord, somebody is trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill here. I doubt there are any hatchets that need burying. They aren't exactly busom buddies but if the day comes and Favre returns to Lambeau for Alumni Day and Rodgers is still playing I can't imagin they'll not greet each other cordially.

[KYPack]

Guess the interpretation of that pic is in the eye of the beholder. I was gonna comment on the expression on Rodger's face in that photo. He's got the old "I'd rather be anywhere on earth besides right here" look on his face.

Brently and ARod worked together for 3 years.

I imagine they got along, but Rodgers saying that Young was his mentor during the "transition" is telling. Young and Montana hated each others guts. Young probably had advice for Aaron on how to be the successor when you are the junior partner. You know, what to say, what not to say stuff.

I'm glad to see the whole thing is now moving into everybodies rear view mirror. BLF will marvel at how fast he will fade from view, now that he's an ex-player.

[Joemailman]

Yup. The fact that he didn't do it, didn't think of it, whatever, demonstrates his lack of concern/desire for a lasting association with the Green Bay Packers. Many, many former Packers have done it, even some who played for long periods after leaving GB. It seems like every off season you hear of another doing it. Apparently, it didn't mean enough to Favre for him to do it.

Supposedly he has filed his retirement papers, so he will be forever listed under "Minnesota Vikings" on the lists of retired players. A small thing, but another revealing tidbit into the man.

Nonsense! All he has to do is un-retire from the Vikings, sign with the Packers, and then retire from the Packers. He's sorta done it before, same teams involved, just the sequence will be a little different. What's so difficult about that?

[mraynrand]

Maybe he could pass a little note to his friend Donald who could pass it on to one of Mike's friends, who could then give the note to Mike. The note would have this: "Do you like me? ___Yes ___No ___Maybe."


I'm telling Mr. Swede! OOOOoooooo - you're in trouble NOW!

[swede]

I'm telling Mr. Swede! OOOOoooooo - you're in trouble NOW!

Passing notes requires a nuanced response.

Sister NUance!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_oP1r9R7e2cs/SV5t5pCptaI/AAAAAAAAACc/iImilN61TYo/s400/Nun_ruler.jpg

[Patler]

Nonsense! All he has to do is un-retire from the Vikings, sign with the Packers, and then retire from the Packers. He's sorta done it before, same teams involved, just the sequence will be a little different. What's so difficult about that?

He would need to write the Commish and request reinstatement. He can't do it on his own. It took him two months to do that when he DID want to play in 2008. Now that he doesn't want to play, I suspect it could take YEARS.

[Little Whiskey]

I don't remember him ever officially filling out the paper work in the past. even in 2008.

[Scott Campbell]

Feud...uhh?! Nope. A man like Scott can handle those posts. There all 'tongue in cheek' Kiwon. Meant to be harmless. (-:




I'm happy enough knowing that I've been completely vindicated because you were wrong and I was right about all of this. Told you so.

[Little Whiskey]

I'm happy enough knowing that I've been completely vindicated because you were wrong and I was right about all of this. Told you so.


stay classy San Diego

[Patler]

I don't remember him ever officially filling out the paper work in the past. even in 2008.

It was a little different in 2008, because the Packers moved him to the retired list to get him off the Packers roster and salary cap. To get reinstated to the active roster, he had to file a request with the Commissioner, just like now. He kept asking to be released, and TT kept saying he could do nothing until Favre was back on the active roster, which required Favre to go through the Commish. It was up to Favre to get the ball going, so to speak. That went on all summer until just before Favre flew to GB. The Commish actually sat on Favre's request for a couple days to give the Packers and Favre time to talk.

[pbmax]

It was a little different in 2008, because the Packers moved him to the retired list to get him off the Packers roster and salary cap. To get reinstated to the active roster, he had to file a request with the Commissioner, just like now. He kept asking to be released, and TT kept saying he could do nothing until Favre was back on the active roster, which required Favre to go through the Commish. It was up to Favre to get the ball going, so to speak. That went on all summer until just before Favre flew to GB. The Commish actually sat on Favre's request for a couple days to give the Packers and Favre time to talk.

I believe he filed the paperwork in 2008 as well. In 2008, it took him weeks (if not months) to do it. This year, as you previously stated, he did it right away.

And while he was on the reserve/retired list and not counting toward the cap, Thompson kept that cap room all summer long, in case he needed it. Which he did, for a few days.

[Scott Campbell]

stay classy San Diego

http://bigjournalism.com/files/2010/09/ron-burgundy.jpg

[pbmax]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhcnngr0Dbo

[Fritz]

I assumed that Joe was being a smart aleck in suggesting that Brent un-retire....again. Imagine the maelstrom that would cause! "Favre Unretires for Umpteenth Time!"

[Joemailman]

TED THOMPSON HAS WRECKED GB FOR AT LEAST 3 YEARS IMHO...

The early pages of this thread are pretty entertaining.

[LEWCWA]

The early pages of this thread are pretty entertaining.

Mobb just about perfect in his assumption. 2008,2009, 2010...all crap boom!--2011 super bowl!!!!

[Lurker64]

Mobb just about perfect in his assumption. 2008,2009, 2010...all crap boom!--2011 super bowl!!!!

Well, that comment was posted on 08-18-2008. Which would mean 8/2008-8/2009 is one year (6-10), 8/2009-8/2010 is another year (11-5, wild card loss), and 8/2010-8/2011 is another year (10-6, super bowl win).

The first year wasn't so good, the second year was okay, and I'm pretty sure we'll all take the third year.

[Pugger]

Say, how come Favre didn't sign with the Packers so he could then retire a Packer? Guys do that stuff all the time!

I just don't see Favre trying any real reconciliation until after MM and TT are no longer employed at 1265.

[Joemailman]

Mobb just about perfect in his assumption. 2008,2009, 2010...all crap boom!--2011 super bowl!!!!

Mobb said at least 3 years. Less than 3 years later, Packers won the Super Bowl. Not sure I understand your logic.

[GrnBay007]

When Favre left the Packers the media referred to the split as that similar to a messy divorce. I believed it then, but as time has gone by the similarities are unreal.

There are some that are really OK with the split. They are secure with who they are (what they have in a QB) and just let the past die.

There are some that are unhappy with the split and the way things went down but are fine just talking facts and not letting emotions get in the way.

Then there are those that are downright bitter about the split. It's all the "ex's" fault and "they" did NOTHING wrong. They are quiet and out of site when the "ex" seems to be doing well, but holy bejesus when the "ex" messes up in any way shape or form, they are the first to jump on and give them hell. They tend to brag about how much better they are without the "ex" and they make a fool of themselves trying to make the "ex" look bad. Sometimes they even try to re-write history to prove their point.

For those in the last category, let it go! He is a BIG part of Packer history and as a Packer fan you should be proud of that history....ALL of it. Just like the divorce....you may not be happy with the ending, but surely at some point there was something there that drew you to that person and for some moment in time they made you happy. Don't let the bitterness overshadow the happy times!

[TravisWilliams23]

Once upon a time, a girl named Bretney was married to a guy named Packard. The couple was very much in love at first. They always wanted to take a dream vacation to a Super destination. In their 5th year of marriage, they managed to reach their ultimate goal. They told each other they would make the trip every year if possible. The years went by but something always came up to prevent that ultimate happiness they both accomplished that one magical year.

During those many years of bliss, Packard knew a man he despised, Vick. Now Vick was a low-life SOB who was and is a total loser. And during most of the marriage, Bretney disliked Vick just as much as Packard did. But after 14 or so years of marriage, Vick started looking pretty good to Bretney. She saw Vick had a stallion that could run wild and dreamed of riding that stallion to the Super destination but she just couldn’t break Packard’s heart by leaving him and marrying Vick. Just yet.

So Bretney called it quits on her marriage to Packard and ended up dating Joe the Jet. Packard knew she secretly desired Vick but was OK with her dating Joe. Bretney had a few early moments with Joe but she couldn’t keep her mind off of Vick. So she also called it quits with Joe after just 1 year.

During the last few years Vicks buddies, Darrell, Ryan and Brad kept calling Bretney to let her know Vick had the hots for her. Shortly after her breakup with Joe, she and Vick hooked up. Bretney wanted to show Packard he had made a terrible mistake by letting her leave. Anytime she would run into Packard, she delighted in rubbing his nose in her success with Vick. Certainly she would ride that stallion to the Super destination. But alas, it was not to be. Bretney ended up becoming a broken down old bitter hag. She even wished ill towards Packard and his new girl Erin by hoping they’d be eaten by a Bear!

Well, Packard and Erin got to their own Super destination after just 4 years of saving and wise decision making.
Bretney now has some very difficult choices to make. Does she call Packard and congratulate him on his trip to the Super place and ask to make amends for her past behavior or does she just sulk and miss out on watching Packard’s new family’s success? She has his phone number and the choice is hers.

[mraynrand]

When Favre left the Packers the media referred to the split as that similar to a messy divorce. I believed it then, but as time has gone by the similarities are unreal.

There are some that are really OK with the split. They are secure with who they are (what they have in a QB) and just let the past die.

There are some that are unhappy with the split and the way things went down but are fine just talking facts and not letting emotions get in the way.

Then there are those that are downright bitter about the split. It's all the "ex's" fault and "they" did NOTHING wrong. They are quiet and out of site when the "ex" seems to be doing well, but holy bejesus when the "ex" messes up in any way shape or form, they are the first to jump on and give them hell. They tend to brag about how much better they are without the "ex" and they make a fool of themselves trying to make the "ex" look bad. Sometimes they even try to re-write history to prove their point.

For those in the last category, let it go! He is a BIG part of Packer history and as a Packer fan you should be proud of that history....ALL of it. Just like the divorce....you may not be happy with the ending, but surely at some point there was something there that drew you to that person and for some moment in time they made you happy. Don't let the bitterness overshadow the happy times!

I want my records back!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cV1dyV9d_1k

Some people never get over their divorce!

NSFW

[Pugger]

Once upon a time, a girl named Bretney was married to a guy named Packard. The couple was very much in love at first. They always wanted to take a dream vacation to a Super destination. In their 5th year of marriage, they managed to reach their ultimate goal. They told each other they would make the trip every year if possible. The years went by but something always came up to prevent that ultimate happiness they both accomplished that one magical year.

During those many years of bliss, Packard knew a man he despised, Vick. Now Vick was a low-life SOB who was and is a total loser. And during most of the marriage, Bretney disliked Vick just as much as Packard did. But after 14 or so years of marriage, Vick started looking pretty good to Bretney. She saw Vick had a stallion that could run wild and dreamed of riding that stallion to the Super destination but she just couldn’t break Packard’s heart by leaving him and marrying Vick. Just yet.

So Bretney called it quits on her marriage to Packard and ended up dating Joe the Jet. Packard knew she secretly desired Vick but was OK with her dating Joe. Bretney had a few early moments with Joe but she couldn’t keep her mind off of Vick. So she also called it quits with Joe after just 1 year.

During the last few years Vicks buddies, Darrell, Ryan and Brad kept calling Bretney to let her know Vick had the hots for her. Shortly after her breakup with Joe, she and Vick hooked up. Bretney wanted to show Packard he had made a terrible mistake by letting her leave. Anytime she would run into Packard, she delighted in rubbing his nose in her success with Vick. Certainly she would ride that stallion to the Super destination. But alas, it was not to be. Bretney ended up becoming a broken down old bitter hag. She even wished ill towards Packard and his new girl Erin by hoping they’d be eaten by a Bear!

Well, Packard and Erin got to their own Super destination after just 4 years of saving and wise decision making.
Bretney now has some very difficult choices to make. Does she call Packard and congratulate him on his trip to the Super place and ask to make amends for her past behavior or does she just sulk and miss out on watching Packard’s new family’s success? She has his phone number and the choice is hers.

This is great! Can I share it with others?

[RashanGary]

My take on Brett without an apology

Great QB who played his way, was fun to watch and had a lot of success on the field. I don't think he's as important as many people credited to him so I do still discuss that. It's really not even a knock on him, but rather people giving him credit that was impossible for a person to live up to. Top 3 all time packer QB. But, he became such a harmful, destructive, nasty A-wipe late in his career and did so many shitty things, I don't care to ever see him in Lambeau again, for any reason.



My take on Brett with an apology for what happened

Same as the last except I'll be happy to cheer for him if he comes back and I'll forget about all the drama. He's human just like us. But human beings should feel bad when they screw up and they should apologize. He does this and it doesn't make him a better QB in my eyes, but I do think he was great and I'll be able to appreciate it way more.



Back to the messy Divorce analogy, I don't know if it's that bad. It's more like being associated with a person who you found out was selfish and nasty and now don't want much to do with them. Sadly, right now, pre-apology, that's a big part of his legacy. I know some would like that to go away, but only Favre can make that happen and only if he's man enough. Picturing him on Greta Van Sustren, I odn't know if he is.

[LEWCWA]

Well, that comment was posted on 08-18-2008. Which would mean 8/2008-8/2009 is one year (6-10), 8/2009-8/2010 is another year (11-5, wild card loss), and 8/2010-8/2011 is another year (10-6, super bowl win).

The first year wasn't so good, the second year was okay, and I'm pretty sure we'll all take the third year.

It was a joke!

[LEWCWA]

Mobb said at least 3 years. Less than 3 years later, Packers won the Super Bowl. Not sure I understand your logic.

It was a joke!

[Fritz]

Sure, I remember the good times, early on. But that was before he gained all that weight and started staying in the basement with his buddies, drinking beer, never showering. And then he'd just lay there at night, not even touching me. And that's why it bothered me so when I'd catch him looking at others. I could see the lust in his eyes, but when I offered myself to him, he said he wasn't sure he wanted me any more. It was so humiliating! And then he said he was leaving. And I was glad. But scared, too. And after that, when he said he wasn't sure he wanted to leave, I had such...such....mixed feelings. But I told him he had to make up his mind. And he seemed insulted by that. I became so confused.

But yes, I remember the good times. The way he'd lift up his leg and fart, then laugh - oh, his eyes! And the passes he'd make. So thrilling. He was so child-like in his love.

Yes, I remember those days. Sigh.

[packerbacker1234]

My take on Brett without an apology

Great QB who played his way, was fun to watch and had a lot of success on the field. I don't think he's as important as many people credited to him so I do still discuss that. It's really not even a knock on him, but rather people giving him credit that was impossible for a person to live up to. Top 3 all time packer QB. But, he became such a harmful, destructive, nasty A-wipe late in his career and did so many shitty things, I don't care to ever see him in Lambeau again, for any reason.



My take on Brett with an apology for what happened

Same as the last except I'll be happy to cheer for him if he comes back and I'll forget about all the drama. He's human just like us. But human beings should feel bad when they screw up and they should apologize. He does this and it doesn't make him a better QB in my eyes, but I do think he was great and I'll be able to appreciate it way more.



Back to the messy Divorce analogy, I don't know if it's that bad. It's more like being associated with a person who you found out was selfish and nasty and now don't want much to do with them. Sadly, right now, pre-apology, that's a big part of his legacy. I know some would like that to go away, but only Favre can make that happen and only if he's man enough. Picturing him on Greta Van Sustren, I odn't know if he is.


His legacy is just fine, even if you count all the stuff.

What Favre will be remembered for:

- Toughest QB to ever play the game. The start streak is incredible, especially considering the injuries he played through and how he seemed to perform better when he was hurt.
- Greatest statistical QB of all time. Takes over that legacy from Marino, who become the greatest statistical QB to never win a ring now.
- Will always be remembered for the Will He Wont He, and how he almost ended his career on top. Almost.
- The one player you always knew loved this game on the field. His child like enthusiam in every big moment, after every TD, it's not something we are accustomed to from any other player.

In GB we may remember him for some other things, but I think Nation wide above sums it up. Tough as hell, amazing stats and longevity, will he wont he, love of the game.

Oh, and of course "risk taker".

[Scott Campbell]

Favre had a great legacy, and now it's crap. Even today he's still the butt of all the late night jokes.

Over time people may mellow and forget what a douchebag he is. But that assumes that he stops being a douchebag at some point.

[Scott Campbell]

Ted sure emerged from this smelling like a rose.

[TravisWilliams23]

This is great! Can I share it with others?

"legend write their own stories, my Brett our Favre."
Sure Pugger, have fun with it.

[pbmax]

I am right, you are wrong.
No, I am right, YOU are wrong.

I am a cold eyed observer of fact. You are a hater.
I am a student of history, you are an emotional and needy fan-person.

We are both a little right, but your emotional outbursts betray your flaws.
We are both a little right, but secretly, I think you are full of baloney.

Admit it, you still love him.
Admit it, you've fallen for the new guy.

I may have said some things out of haste, but your statements were indications of a blight on your soul.
I may have predicted some things that didn't happen, but you are even more clueless.

Its clear this thread has come to the end of its useful life. When will you stop posting?
Its clear this thread has come to the end of its useful life. I will stop posting after one more passive aggressive swipe at my target and his supporters.

Why are you so immature and bitter? Cannot you accept your happy fate?
Why are you so immature and bitter? Cannot you admit you were wrong?

When are you going to grow up?
When are YOU going to grow up?

I will do so only after you modify your behavior in accordance with my judgment.
I will do so only after you modify your behavior to align better with my expectations.

One side of the coin
The other side of the coin.

[RashanGary]

Brett was going to be remembered as a good, honest, genuine guy who was great at football. Now he'll be remembered as a wife cheating, dishonest, phony and a dirty creeper who was great at football.

The football stays the same. Believe it or not, there is more to the people we cheer for than what they do on the field. Brett will be remembered as much for what he did off of it. Jen Sterger, the massage therapists, dragging his team through bizarre, dishonest BS to get what he wanted only to get what he didn't want, and his old team winning the SB as soon as he left town.

If you believe in justice, he's being remembered for who he is. If you believe in Favre, he should be remembered for what he wants you to remember him for. Do we stand by our virtues or our idol? where does our allegiance lie? That's the question.

[mraynrand]

I am right, you are wrong.
No, I am right, YOU are wrong.

I am a cold eyed observer of fact. You are a hater.
I am a student of history, you are an emotional and needy fan-person.

We are both a little right, but your emotional outbursts betray your flaws.
We are both a little right, but secretly, I think you are full of baloney.

Admit it, you still love him.
Admit it, you've fallen for the new guy.

I may have said some things out of haste, but your statements were indications of a blight on your soul.
I may have predicted some things that didn't happen, but you are even more clueless.

Its clear this thread has come to the end of its useful life. When will you stop posting?
Its clear this thread has come to the end of its useful life. I will stop posting after one more passive aggressive swipe at my target and his supporters.

Why are you so immature and bitter? Cannot you accept your happy fate?
Why are you so immature and bitter? Cannot you admit you were wrong?

When are you going to grow up?
When are YOU going to grow up?

I will do so only after you modify your behavior in accordance with my judgment.
I will do so only after you modify your behavior to align better with my expectations.

One side of the coin
The other side of the coin.


This is a great post. No, no wait, it is an awful post!

[LP]

Berts career ended with the Green Bay Packers winning the Super Bowl!

That's just how he wanted it, right?

[Guiness]

Berts career ended with the Green Bay Packers winning the Super Bowl!

That's just how he wanted it, right?

:rs:

[RashanGary]

Berts career ended with the Green Bay Packers winning the Super Bowl!

That's just how he wanted it, right?

True and you can ask anyone in this thread, the Packers wouldn't have even been in the playoffs if not for Favre, so surely we can't blame him for anything. Brett carried the franchise out of a 15 year slump. What a hero.

[GrnBay007]

Brett was going to be remembered as a good, honest, genuine guy who was great at football. ^^^^^THAT ended for many of you when he joined another team. Jen Sterger deal was just icing on the cake...a gift with perfect timing. If Favre was still a Packer and playing great football this board would have been full of posts about what a whore and gold digger she is. Sorry but I don't doubt that one bit.

[channtheman]

^^^^^THAT ended for many of you when he joined another team. Jen Sterger deal was just icing on the cake...a gift with perfect timing. If Favre was still a Packer and playing great football this board would have been full of posts about what a whore and gold digger she is. Sorry but I don't doubt that one bit.

I disagree. Favre was always chasing women, he just didn't make it so public or let it get out like he did with Jenn Sterger. With the internet nowadays, Favre should have known better than to send dick pix and booty call phone messages to another phone where he then has no control over where they go. Now, if he was still a Packer would we ignore it? Possibly.

[Bossman641]

When Favre left the Packers the media referred to the split as that similar to a messy divorce. I believed it then, but as time has gone by the similarities are unreal.

There are some that are really OK with the split. They are secure with who they are (what they have in a QB) and just let the past die.

There are some that are unhappy with the split and the way things went down but are fine just talking facts and not letting emotions get in the way.

Then there are those that are downright bitter about the split. It's all the "ex's" fault and "they" did NOTHING wrong. They are quiet and out of site when the "ex" seems to be doing well, but holy bejesus when the "ex" messes up in any way shape or form, they are the first to jump on and give them hell. They tend to brag about how much better they are without the "ex" and they make a fool of themselves trying to make the "ex" look bad. Sometimes they even try to re-write history to prove their point.

For those in the last category, let it go! He is a BIG part of Packer history and as a Packer fan you should be proud of that history....ALL of it. Just like the divorce....you may not be happy with the ending, but surely at some point there was something there that drew you to that person and for some moment in time they made you happy. Don't let the bitterness overshadow the happy times!

I know you are a whole lot smarter than this. Wasn't the same exact thing true for the Favre supporters? Constantly putting down TT and saying what a mistake he made, pointing out how Rodgers would never be as good as Favre. There were a group of posters here who spent 95% of their time discussing Favre and only 5% the Packers.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Rodgers is good. Thanks for the championship team THANKSTED! You made the right move--despite being mocked and ridiculed for three years running. Game over. We win. Bert loses.

[mraynrand]

^^^^^THAT ended for many of you when he joined another team. Jen Sterger deal was just icing on the cake...a gift with perfect timing. If Favre was still a Packer and playing great football this board would have been full of posts about what a whore and gold digger she is. Sorry but I don't doubt that one bit.


I think there would have been some who would have defended him, but I suspect the negatives would have even been worse for him. Favre and the media set him up as a reformed womanizer, survivor of drug and alcohol addiction. I think he would have gotten the Mark Chmura treatment. Rather than being a source of mocking derision as the corrupted traitor, he would have been seen as the fallen hero, being deeply embarrassing to the state of WI. Minnesota can shrug him off as a creepy carpetbagger, but he would have been a humiliation to WI. His admittedly vengeful, spiteful attempt to stick it to Thompson, McCarthy and all Packer fans actually helped the state of WI, because we were able to disown him before his shameful behaviour re-emerged. Otherwise it would be the Packers and WI that would have had to bear the brunt of his unsavory escapades. THANKSFAVRE.

[ThunderDan]

^^^^^THAT ended for many of you when he joined another team. Jen Sterger deal was just icing on the cake...a gift with perfect timing. If Favre was still a Packer and playing great football this board would have been full of posts about what a whore and gold digger she is. Sorry but I don't doubt that one bit.

I had no problem with BF going to the Jets. Once he went to MINN the whole ball of wax changed.

[Little Whiskey]

I had no problem with BF going to the Jets. Once he went to MINN the whole ball of wax changed.

I felt the same way. I even rooted for the jets that year. the minny move was completely different.

[RashanGary]

^^^^^THAT ended for many of you when he joined another team. Jen Sterger deal was just icing on the cake...a gift with perfect timing. If Favre was still a Packer and playing great football this board would have been full of posts about what a whore and gold digger she is. Sorry but I don't doubt that one bit.

I wasn't as committed to Favre as many. During the 2007 season, after he went ape shit in teh Dallas game, I said there is no way this guy wins a championship. He tries to be the center of attention in big games and flops. But then again, I was a fan of him for a long time too, had a senior picture taken with a Favre jersey :). That game Aaron came in cool as a cucumber and that's when I said I think we'll be OK without him. Up until that point almost everyone 'cept a few wise souls (shadow, patler, b_bulldog to name a couple) thought Favre was the savior of GB and without him we couldn't win.

Even then there were factions of us who bitched and complained about his non commitment to the team. We cited stories of Montana showing up for everything until his last year in the league. We talked about how Favre seemed to believe he was above the team.

There was already Favre tension, even before the split. The difference was that the Favre loyalists had the backing of the majority and the few of us who spoke out were out numbered badly.

3 years later, history has shown us (ted mostly, shadow, patler and b_bulldog partly, and lastly guys like me who spray opinions around and some paint hits the wall) to be correct. Favre was a me first guy playing a team game. He wasn't the great, honest, faithful guy who overcame some battles in his youth. He's a guy who'll lie and manipulate to get anything he wants including a new girlfriend on the side if his marriage isn't up to his standards, or a new team if he doesn't like the one he's on. He thought he could tell Thompson what to do and he found out Ted tells him what to do. Ted put him squarely in his place on Family night when he turned Favre away at the lockerroom door after 4 months of Brett's childish games. Its' not because Ted wants to show Brett who's smarter, better or more important. It's because Brett was a whiny bratt who stepped out of line and Ted had no choice but to keep things giong in the right direction, a direction that because of Favre didn't include Favre.


To summarize in one word:

THANKSTED

[Cheesehead Craig]

^^^^^THAT ended for many of you when he joined another team. Jen Sterger deal was just icing on the cake...a gift with perfect timing. If Favre was still a Packer and playing great football this board would have been full of posts about what a whore and gold digger she is. Sorry but I don't doubt that one bit.
He never would have been with Jen as she was the sideline reporter with the Jets, therefore Favre would have had no reason to sext her.

I ain't saying she's a gold digger...

[Scott Campbell]

^^^^^THAT ended for many of you when he joined another team. Jen Sterger deal was just icing on the cake...a gift with perfect timing. If Favre was still a Packer and playing great football this board would have been full of posts about what a whore and gold digger she is. Sorry but I don't doubt that one bit.


..........because people here were so quick to blame Ahman Green's wife for needing a good beating.

[mission]

I felt the same way. I even rooted for the jets that year. the minny move was completely different.

Just thought of that... I rooted for them too. And wanted Brett to play well.

The whole stick-it-to-Ted thing is what put it over the top for me.

[mission]

There were a group of posters here who spent 95% of their time discussing Favre and only 5% the Packers.

God I hated that time here. Was looking back and reading some of my posts and I'm not sure I could have been any more of an asshole. Glad things have calmed down.

[Scott Campbell]

God I hated that time here. Was looking back and reading some of my posts and I'm not sure I could have been any more of an asshole. Glad things have calmed down.


I think you may find my posts to be of some comfort.

[mission]

I think you may find my posts to be of some comfort.

I think your posts only served as motivation. You've always set the bar around here. :lol:

[get louder at lambeau]

I think your posts only served as motivation. You've always set the bar around here. :lol:

I think we need to have a PackerRats.com Asshole-Off. Biggest asshole wins. And no, Brent can't win, unless he's secretly a forum member.

[Travbrew]

I think we need to have a PackerRats.com Asshole-Off. Biggest asshole wins. And no, Brent can't win, unless he's secretly a forum member.

I think he was. Tank/APB?

[Fritz]

Tank. Jaysus.

THANKSTED!

I think Ted helped Tank go into permanent hibernation.

[ThunderDan]

Tank. Jaysus.

THANKSTED!

I think Ted helped Tank go into permanent hibernation.

I think Tank and APB probably committed suicide after the Packers won the Super Bowl. They had so much invested in TT failing that the SB had to completely unhinge them (as if they needed more of a push).

[Pugger]

Brett was going to be remembered as a good, honest, genuine guy who was great at football. Now he'll be remembered as a wife cheating, dishonest, phony and a dirty creeper who was great at football.

The football stays the same. Believe it or not, there is more to the people we cheer for than what they do on the field. Brett will be remembered as much for what he did off of it. Jen Sterger, the massage therapists, dragging his team through bizarre, dishonest BS to get what he wanted only to get what he didn't want, and his old team winning the SB as soon as he left town.

If you believe in justice, he's being remembered for who he is. If you believe in Favre, he should be remembered for what he wants you to remember him for. Do we stand by our virtues or our idol? where does our allegiance lie? That's the question.

My allegiance has always been with the Green Bay Packers. No one player/person is above the franchise. Even Curly Lambeau found that out all those years ago.

Packer fans won't forget all Favre did on the football field. His play - and others like Wolf, Reggie, Holmgren and Harlan - helped bring us out of the Dark Ages (1969-1989). But a lot of us won't forget how he wormed his way out of town in 2008 while throwing the franchise that made him a household name and multi-millionaire under the bus and soiled his legacy by sending creepy pix and messages to women young enough to be his daughters! :-P

[Pugger]

Just thought of that... I rooted for them too. And wanted Brett to play well.

The whole stick-it-to-Ted thing is what put it over the top for me.

I only rooted for the Jets because of the draft pick we'd get. But I sure as hell didn't want them to win a freaking Super Bowl with #4 under center! :shock:

[Pugger]

Tank. Jaysus.

THANKSTED!

I think Ted helped Tank go into permanent hibernation.

Unfortunately you can still find this little creep over on the Bubbler. :-P

[swede]

Unfortunately you can still find this little creep over on the Bubbler. :-P

Taking a stab at his reaction, I'm guessing that he is saying that Ted Thompson kept us from winning several more Super Bowls with Favre, and that this one was mere luck, a 1 in 32 lucky bank shot.

[Fritz]

He was also known as the "Anti-Polar Bear" before he drifted away, or was booted, or whatever it was.

But I think he was tight with Torrance Marshall's girlfriend.

[Little Whiskey]

he was a shut down corner too


revis' island, before revis

[pbmax]

he was a shut down corner too


revis' island, before revis

No one could shut down Darrin Charles like APB.

[Scott Campbell]

Too funny - Minnesota Chubby:

Brett Favre gets his very own Mardi Gras float

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on March 7, 2011, 4:15 PM EST
http://nbcprofootballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/b-favremardi.jpg?w=193 One year after Brett Favre threw one of his most memorable interceptions in New Orleans, No. 4 was back in the city over the weekend for Mardi Gras.
Or at least a gigantic parade float in his image was on the streets there.
We present, courtesy of the folks at Deadspin, the Brett Favre float (http://deadspin.com/#%215777309/they-even-belittle-brett-favres-manhood-at-mardi-gras) from this year’s Krewe D’Etat parade. The float was entitled Pocket Pool, and it gave Favre a new nickname: Minnesota Chubby. Well done. (Video of the float (http://www.wwltv.com/outbound-feeds/social/Krewe-DEtat-highlights-117447674.html) at 2:45 left here.)
For all you college football fans out there, the Les Miles Clock Management float (http://cajunboy.tumblr.com/post/3665147846/in-addition-to-the-brett-favre-penis-pic-float-in) looked pretty sweet too.

[Fritz]

Minnesota Chubby - pocket pool. Clever. But Scott, you can also post about Packer football - kinda miss your irreverence on topics other than this.

[swede]

One wonders when the time will be right to have Brett come back to Lambeau and feel the love as they retire his jersey. Instead of time healing wounds we've had time wounding the heel for so long that there is a new dynamic working.

New York Giants fans booed the hell out of Tiki Barber when they put his name up on the "Ring of Honor" at their stadium, and all he did was say a few stupid thing in his last year.

How long before Lambeau fans mellow out enough to greet Brett without more than a third booing loudly? I think it may require ten years for us, and that would be too long for Brett's ego to bear.

I seriously doubt that the retirement of Brett's jersey will happen in a traditional ceremony within the next decade. If it does, there will be a lot of booing.

[RashanGary]

One wonders when the time will be right to have Brett come back to Lambeau and feel the love as they retire his jersey. Instead of time healing wounds we've had time wounding the heel for so long that there is a new dynamic working.

New York Giants fans booed the hell out of Tiki Barber when they put his name up on the "Ring of Honor" at their stadium, and all he did was say a few stupid thing in his last year.

How long before Lambeau fans mellow out enough to greet Brett without more than a third booing loudly? I think it may require ten years for us, and that would be too long for Brett's ego to bear.

I seriously doubt that the retirement of Brett's jersey will happen in a traditional ceremony within the next decade. If it does, there will be a lot of booing.

If he ever apologizes for dinking the team and Aaron Rodgers' job around, everyone cheers tomorrow. If he can't do that, he'll be booed loudly even if it's 20 years down the road.

[packerbacker1234]

If he ever apologizes for dinking the team and Aaron Rodgers' job around, everyone cheers tomorrow. If he can't do that, he'll be booed loudly even if it's 20 years down the road.

Is that really what we're upset about in GB? Are we truly mad at Brett because he couldn't make up his mind on retiring or not? Are we really still even clinging on to that as a reason to dislike the guy?

Sure, some will claim foul play with how he and left and that is fine - the reason for rampant hatred of him is because he played for Minnesota above all else. You think he is going to ever admit that was a mistake? Should eh admit it? He had the best statistical season of his entire career playing for them.

I never get mad at players being selfish and making selfish decisions because that is the nature of the game, and that is the nature of humans. Yes, it's well known I respect Favre the player and I do not condone his off the field actions, but he played for and almost took our enemies to the SB. Without saying publicly that was a mistake, us fans will always boo him - even 10 years later, even if in that 10 years he apologizes for the will he wont he stuff.

I never expect him to admit that was mistake, because 2009 was one of his best seasons ever. He shouldn't feel bad about it. It just went to show you that once your off that field on sunday - the players aren't as big into rivalries as the fans. We may hate minn, does that mean if we cut Driver he would hate minn if they persued him? Hardly - this is a business, players don't get too wrapped up in that stuff once you get off the field.

[Scott Campbell]

Hardly - this is a business, players don't get too wrapped up in that stuff once you get off the field.


That's great. Then nobody should care if we choose to keep giving him the business.


There are enough of us out there to ensure that the traitor will never feel welcome in Lambeau. That will be his legacy.

[Freak Out]

It's going to be a long time..........

[swede]

It's going to be a long time..........

Yeah, I think so too.

I have a sense for how WE feel; it's a nation divided with feelings running 2 to 1 against Bert. This situation is Mark Murphy's headache. Thinking it through a bit further, Murph may need to connect the Ring of Honor/retire the jersey bit with Favre's induction into the Hall of Fame. Show Viking/Favre lowlights on the Jumbo-tron. Show Jets/Favre lowlights on the Jumbo-tron. Fill the stadium with images of Favre victories and all of the good times in Green Bay. Mike the crowd and run the "Booos!" through a digital processor that plays back "Yaaaaay!" through the sound system. Shake his hand, hand him a sandwich, show him the door.

[HowardRoark]

put on gloves.......Shake his hand, hand him a sandwich, show him the door.

http://www.hipstertravelguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/rubber-glove-431.jpg

[Tarlam!]

does that mean if we cut Driver he would hate minn if they persued him? Hardly - this is a business, players don't get too wrapped up in that stuff once you get off the field.

Javon Walker and Mike McKenzie left GB under a cloud and we had Schadenfreude with Walker and a bad taste in our mouths with MM. Longwell bagged on the city of GB, so obviously we dislike him and cheer every miss. Sharper in purple didn't bother many of us and we usually laughed when Minnie picked up GB retreads.

But, Lombardi retired, came out and coached elsewhere - he remains an idol to this day. Reggie White? Similar.

I seriously doubt if Al Harris or Kampman went to/go to Minnie a wave of hate would develop.

All of the above know this is a business. All of the above put their own interests first (except Al, who was cut). So, there are ways to go play for Minnie or other teams post GB without invoking hatred amongst the fans.

I will never forgive him, personally. I don't care what he did off the field. He broke my heart over and over again. And he did it purposely.

[mraynrand]

It's up to Favre. He's gotta do some major repair work. Good luck to him. I'd like to be able to go down and have that big HOF induction bash in 5 years and feel clean about it. Also, I blew $12 on those Favre glasses and I'd like at least a 2% ROI.

[mraynrand]

On a related note, I reviewed that loss at Tampa in 2002 recently, and doggone it but didn't those interceptions change! Back then, I was certain the receivers ran the wrong routes (So were Chris Collinsworth and Troy Aikman), but this time, it really looked like Favre forced several very bad passes. Perspective, perspective!

[LP]

He broke my heart over and over again. And he did it purposely.

Exactly right. And therefor I shall not forgive him. Purposely.

[pbmax]

I don't think it will take that long. I would bet its a mostly favorable crowd the season after his induction.

Rodgers has succeeded and won a Super Bowl. Favre can no longer make fans regret the move, the Packers look like they made the correct decision. I know the first Vikings year hardened feelings in a way that the Jets year did not, but the Packers have had too much success now post Favre.

I have no doubt he'll hear Boos, but they will give way or be drowned out.

I think its far more likely that Favre wants to wait and be certain of a favorable reaction. He's very conscious about how he is perceived and probably doesn't want to take a risk.

I was an early jumper off the bandwagon, but the Packers came out of this smelling like roses and I think people will be mostly magnanimous.

[swede]

I don't think it will take that long. I would bet its a mostly favorable crowd the season after his induction.

Rodgers has succeeded and won a Super Bowl. Favre can no longer make fans regret the move, the Packers look like they made the correct decision. I know the first Vikings year hardened feelings in a way that the Jets year did not, but the Packers have had too much success now post Favre.

I have no doubt he'll hear Boos, but they will give way or be drowned out.

I think its far more likely that Favre wants to wait and be certain of a favorable reaction. He's very conscious about how he is perceived and probably doesn't want to take a risk.

...I think people will be mostly magnanimous.

To your bolded point, absolutely, and Mark Murphy has to be careful as well. He wants to give our fans time to forgive, but waiting too long might further strain the relationship with BF. The build-up to the big day may have to be engineered by Ari Fleischer and Dr. Phil.

[mraynrand]

http://www.hipstertravelguide.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/rubber-glove-431.jpg

Moooon River!

Using the whole fist there Doc?

http://brachinus.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/fletch_moon_river.jpg

[RashanGary]

Is that really what we're upset about in GB? Are we truly mad at Brett because he couldn't make up his mind on retiring or not? Are we really still even clinging on to that as a reason to dislike the guy?

Sure, some will claim foul play with how he and left and that is fine - the reason for rampant hatred of him is because he played for Minnesota above all else. You think he is going to ever admit that was a mistake? Should eh admit it? He had the best statistical season of his entire career playing for them.

I never get mad at players being selfish and making selfish decisions because that is the nature of the game, and that is the nature of humans. Yes, it's well known I respect Favre the player and I do not condone his off the field actions, but he played for and almost took our enemies to the SB. Without saying publicly that was a mistake, us fans will always boo him - even 10 years later, even if in that 10 years he apologizes for the will he wont he stuff.

I never expect him to admit that was mistake, because 2009 was one of his best seasons ever. He shouldn't feel bad about it. It just went to show you that once your off that field on sunday - the players aren't as big into rivalries as the fans. We may hate minn, does that mean if we cut Driver he would hate minn if they persued him? Hardly - this is a business, players don't get too wrapped up in that stuff once you get off the field.

I think Favre should admit that instead of showing up to work with the team like they asked, he refused, the Packers set a deadline, he retired and the Packers moved on. He should apologize to Ted for trying to throw him under the bus. He should admit the Packers were obviously doing what was best for the team, but he thought he knew better and made it a big ugly mess because of it.

Because he thinks all of the things he did were fine, I don't think anyone is going to welcome him with open arms. He'll get boo'd back to Mississippi. If he apologized for that mess without trying to blame anyone else indirectly, he'd be welcomed back tomorrow.

[Bossman641]

I think Favre should admit that instead of showing up to work with the team like they asked, he refused, the Packers set a deadline, he retired and the Packers moved on. He should apologize to Ted for trying to throw him under the bus. He should admit the Packers were obviously doing what was best for the team, but he thought he knew better and made it a big ugly mess because of it.

Because he thinks all of the things he did were fine, I don't think anyone is going to welcome him with open arms. He'll get boo'd back to Mississippi. If he apologized for that mess without trying to blame anyone else indirectly, he'd be welcomed back tomorrow.

This!

Time heals some wounds, but when Favre shows no remorse or sorrow over anything then it will be difficult for many to forgive him.

[Pugger]

Javon Walker and Mike McKenzie left GB under a cloud and we had Schadenfreude with Walker and a bad taste in our mouths with MM. Longwell bagged on the city of GB, so obviously we dislike him and cheer every miss. Sharper in purple didn't bother many of us and we usually laughed when Minnie picked up GB retreads.

But, Lombardi retired, came out and coached elsewhere - he remains an idol to this day. Reggie White? Similar.

I seriously doubt if Al Harris or Kampman went to/go to Minnie a wave of hate would develop.

All of the above know this is a business. All of the above put their own interests first (except Al, who was cut). So, there are ways to go play for Minnie or other teams post GB without invoking hatred amongst the fans.

I will never forgive him, personally. I don't care what he did off the field. He broke my heart over and over again. And he did it purposely.

I don't remember Reggie or Lombardi behaving like #4 did after his first "retirement." I doubt Favre will come anywhere near the Wisconsin border as long as TT and MM are running things at 1265.

[HowardRoark]

They should just stick the damn #4 up on the ring on May 8th, or some other innocuous date this year when no one is around except for the maintenance crews. Get it over with….it’s going to happen.

[MJZiggy]

Holy crap, an actual discussion broke out in THIS thread. Next thing you know there'll be tolerable ideas-based discussion in FYI.

I don't see Favre being forgiven any time soon. I think it was the phrase, "If I can't play with you, let me play against you," coupled with the fact that he did. And still held a grudge after that disregarding how the fans would feel about it and assuming we'd just still love him anyway because, you know, he's Good Ol' Brett. Didn't quite work out that way and we'll need a little conciliatory gesture to at least acknowledge the fact that we have the right to love our team more than the former face of it.

[mraynrand]

Holy crap, an actual discussion broke out in THIS thread. Next thing you know there'll be tolerable ideas-based discussion in FYI.
:bs:

[mraynrand]

They should just stick the damn #4 up on the ring on May 8th, or some other innocuous date this year when no one is around except for the maintenance crews. Get it over with….it’s going to happen.

I think he can't go up on the ring until he is in the HOF. So sometime five years from now.

Still, Favre likes to be liked. He will eventually spew mea culpas, but will it be genuine and will people buy it?

[MJZiggy]

:bs:

Yeah my dog does that a lot too.

[Tarlam!]

Why do dogs lick their balls?


Because they can.....

[mraynrand]

Yeah my dog does that a lot too.

Clever. Well, not really. Still, given your fleebagger history on FYI, you shouldn't toss cheap shots. :taunt: Are you staying in a motel in IL by any chance?:lol::mrgreen::flm:

[MJZiggy]

Clever. Well, not really. Still, given your fleebagger history on FYI, you shouldn't toss cheap shots. :taunt: Are you staying in a motel in IL by any chance?:lol::mrgreen::flm:

Nah. I'm right here in DC watching the mess unfold. I suppose that since you guys are so protective of people's rights and freedoms you're pretty infuriated with Walker in there. He sold you guys up the river.

[Fritz]

Nah. I'm right here in DC watching the mess unfold. I suppose that since you guys are so protective of people's rights and freedoms you're pretty infuriated with Walker in there. He sold you guys up the river.

I wonder if he's less popular in Wisconsin than Brent Favre.

[retailguy]

Nah. I'm right here in DC watching the mess unfold. I suppose that since you guys are so protective of people's rights and freedoms you're pretty infuriated with Walker in there. He sold you guys up the river.

Not me. I disagree that collective bargaining is a "right". I believe it to be a "privilege", one that has been very abused over the years. Change is long overdue. This guy agrees with me.... http://biggovernment.com/nryun/2011/03/07/collective-bargaining-is-a-privilege-not-a-right/

As far as freedom? Those affected folks have the FREEDOM to work anywhere they choose. Just as I do, and just as you do. The terms at their present job are changing, as mine have, and yours have, but they still have freedom. No change there.

And finally - Fritz - I think Brent is much more hated in Wi, and in a year, it won't even be close. When Walkers programs work, he wins re-election by a very wide margin... Just wait.

[mraynrand]

Nah. I'm right here in DC watching the mess unfold. I suppose that since you guys are so protective of people's rights and freedoms you're pretty infuriated with Walker in there. He sold you guys up the river.

If you want to talk about that stuff, take it to FYI. If you want to toss cheap shots ABOUT FYI, then do it there as well. Tossing cheap shots here, where we're forbidden to talk politics, is the height of cowardice.

[mraynrand]

Furthermore, while there's been a lot of cheapshots and crap on this thread, there's also been good discussion. To suggest otherwise is an affront to all those who contributed thoughtful posts.

[Scott Campbell]

I agree with Ayn. Let's preserve this place as a sacred place for Bert Favre cheapshots.

[MJZiggy]

If you want to talk about that stuff, take it to FYI. If you want to toss cheap shots ABOUT FYI, then do it there as well. Tossing cheap shots here, where we're forbidden to talk politics, is the height of cowardice.

Who brought it up? Who brought up the crack about hiding in Illinois? Who's the coward? I've said in FYI and I'll say here. If you guys knew how to have a real discussion without sarcasm, broad sweeping inaccurate and insulting accusations about other groups' viewpoints, and out and out attacks on those who hold differing ideologies, I'd be an active participant. And we see how far my pleas for civility IN FYI have gotten. But Scott is right. Take your cowardly snipes about Illinois back to FYI where they belong.

[mraynrand]

Who brought it up? Who brought up the crack about hiding in Illinois? Who's the coward? I've said in FYI and I'll say here. If you guys knew how to have a real discussion without sarcasm, broad sweeping inaccurate and insulting accusations about other groups' viewpoints, and out and out attacks on those who hold differing ideologies, I'd be an active participant. And we see how far my pleas for civility IN FYI have gotten. But Scott is right. Take your cowardly snipes about Illinois back to FYI where they belong.

You're about as big a wimp as there is on this site. My comment was related to politics, but not to the nature of the discussion on FYI - your shot was at the people of Packerrats, and specifically at us over at FYI. Yet you're too weak-minded to put your cards on the table over here. Like I said, your about as big a coward as is possible on a website - take political shots at people - take shots at their character, but avoid confronting the ideas, because you can't stand a little heat. A Fleebagger if there ever was one.

BTW, you initiated this round with this comment: "Holy crap, an actual discussion broke out in THIS thread. Next thing you know there'll be tolerable ideas-based discussion in FYI." Can't you even be honest about that? I guess you just can't help yourself but roll in the manure of victimhood.

[MJZiggy]

Thank you for making my point. I think that about wraps this up--even though you probably don't even get what you just did. Now back to Brett. I wonder if he's somehow to blame for the CBA issues...:shock:

[mraynrand]

Thank you for making my point.

I know - you shit in the pool and then can't stand swimming in it.

[Fritz]

Not me. I disagree that collective bargaining is a "right". I believe it to be a "privilege", one that has been very abused over the years. Change is long overdue. This guy agrees with me.... http://biggovernment.com/nryun/2011/03/07/collective-bargaining-is-a-privilege-not-a-right/

As far as freedom? Those affected folks have the FREEDOM to work anywhere they choose. Just as I do, and just as you do. The terms at their present job are changing, as mine have, and yours have, but they still have freedom. No change there.

And finally - Fritz - I think Brent is much more hated in Wi, and in a year, it won't even be close. When Walkers programs work, he wins re-election by a very wide margin... Just wait.

Retail, you've been so wrong about the Packers that I am comforted that you think Walker's "program" will work and he will be re-elected.

[Bretsky]

Nah. I'm right here in DC watching the mess unfold. I suppose that since you guys are so protective of people's rights and freedoms you're pretty infuriated with Walker in there. He sold you guys up the river.


typical Liberal response

[retailguy]

Retail, you've been so wrong about the Packers that I am comforted that you think Walker's "program" will work and he will be re-elected.

Good one. We'll see in a while won't we? In the meantime, we'll see more pissing and moaning, and whining than our good buddy Brent ever did.

[Bretsky]

Retail, you've been so wrong about the Packers that I am comforted that you think Walker's "program" will work and he will be re-elected.

Not sure if it'll work but it's a correct step.

I'm not smart enough to predict who will be re elected. But historically WI is not too smart; after witnessing Doyle get another term anything can happen

[retailguy]

Not sure if it'll work but it's a correct step.

I'm not smart enough to predict who will be re elected. But historically WI is not too smart; after witnessing Doyle get another term anything can happen

90% of the American public do not have collective bargaining, and somehow, the world seem to work. Had collective bargaining not been so abused over the years, I'd probably support it. But realistically the unions abused their power and now, the tide has to shift back the other way. Everyone has an example of waste, the waste is real. I was taught by a few of those teachers, and was also taught by many good teachers.

For me, at the end of the day, I haven't been a union member since I left my college job, at UPS. I was "FORCED" to join a union, it was the crappiest job I've ever had. I couldn't advance, because I had to "wait my turn". I advanced elsewhere and never looked back. So can most of the affect folks in Wi. - "if they WANT to".

Walkers teacher example is a great one. Teacher of the year gets laid off, yet, hundreds of other teachers "carry on". That stuff has to end, along with all the petty lawsuits over coffee and viagra, etc. The unions did this to themselves, and deserve to be put out of business.

The real test will be how this gets implemented. We'll see.

[Tarlam!]

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought this was the Bert thread. Semms I've stumbled into FYI.

[pbmax]

Edit: What's the use of appealing for restraint in this thread? Not much I'm afraid.

[packerbacker1234]

Retail, you've been so wrong about the Packers that I am comforted that you think Walker's "program" will work and he will be re-elected.


Walker's program idea is very bold, but SOMETHING has to happen. If nothing changes more teachers lose their jobs. His program will actually save teacher jobs, but no one looks at it like that. This state is in debt and it;s continuing to grow, and in 2012 part of it is going to fixed by simply cutting the funding for state jobs, and this includes most heavily the teachers. This means next year their aren't going to be as many teaching jobs available anymore.

So, teachers can either accept that hey I wont have a job next year, or they can accept the fact they need to pay SLIGHTLY more for health insurance (still less than everyone else who doesn't work for the state) and have their pay based on how good they actually are at their job (just like everyone else in america) rather than how long they have been doing it (you figure the longer you do it, the better you are, but that's not always true which is why some teachers are pissed) and then see an overall SAVINGS of money which allows there ot be MORE teachers next year.

The program is completely designed to save jobs. Teachers just look at it as getting fucked up the ass. Well, enjoy job hunting next year when there isn't money to hire you back.

[Scott Campbell]

Hey dipshits - quit fucking up the beautiful Favre thread.

[Joe]

Hey dipshits - quit fucking up the beautiful Favre thread.


I suspect that you're the last guy that should be complaining about fucking up a thread....


That being said, this is a football thread, so let's get it back on topic, in spite of my enjoyment of watching Campbell get a taste of his own medicine. Thanks.

I also think this thread has about run its course. I was happy when it was on page 7. Let's get it there again really soon.

[Bretsky]

Hey dipshits - quit fucking up the beautiful Favre thread.


I actually think it would be fun pissing this thread to shit and making it into the Packer forum fyi thread.........lol

Plus, the level of fighting is gone now and without fighting this thread not only sucks, but it's a boring broken record

[Bretsky]

Edit: What's the use of appealing for restraint in this thread? Not much I'm afraid.


we're on page five million and somebody is finnally appealing for restraint :) ??

[channtheman]

This thread is part of packer rats history and Packers history. I don't know if there is another place on the internet where you can read the thoughts and views of both sides all the way from Favre's time with the Jets till now. Someone should print this out and make it a book!

[Scott Campbell]

I suspect that you're the last guy that should be complaining about fucking up a thread.....


You're such a little cunt muscle. :lol:


Way to ape my comments gracefully. You'd have a lot more room to talk if PackerRats was flourishing under your stewardship.

[Scott Campbell]

I actually think it would be fun pissing this thread to shit and making it into the Packer forum fyi thread.........lol




I bet you would. Then there wouldn't be the constant reminder of how Ted made you his bitch.

[Joe]

You're such a little cunt muscle. :lol:


Way to ape my comments gracefully. You'd have a lot more room to talk if PackerRats was flourishing under your stewardship.

I remain amazed that your sarcastic wit, and your irreverant humor is not just "packing them in". I have the job description ready to go so I can hire someone to keep up with all the new registrations, but so far, it hasn't been needed. Puzzling.

[Scott Campbell]

Brett Favre, and the 10 Ugliest Divorces in NFL History:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/633617-brett-favre-and-the-10-ugliest-divorces-in-nfl-history#page/11


http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/784/916/92599488_display_image.jpg?1299953021

[pbmax]

we're on page five million and somebody is finnally appealing for restraint :) ??

That wasn't my first call. I was plenty unrestrained in Aug. 2008.

But mostly it was to keep FYI in FYI.

[mraynrand]

That wasn't my first call. I was plenty unrestrained in Aug. 2008.

But mostly it was to keep FYI in FYI.


I agree.

[Bretsky]

I bet you would. Then there wouldn't be the constant reminder of how Ted made you his bitch.



You have never resembled a Barry Sanders and you are effective at providing a negative spin quite often
however
as I've infinitely noted I am more than happy that TT was right and more than happy that he proved his worth by winning a Super Bowl

[Scott Campbell]

You have never resembled a Barry Sanders and you are effective at providing a negative spin quite often
however
as I've infinitely noted I am more than happy that TT was right and more than happy that he proved his worth by winning a Super Bowl


Well if you're ever right about anything maybe you can show us how it's done.

Meanwhile, thanks for the thread bump! :lol:

[Scott Campbell]

I actually think it would be fun pissing this thread to shit and making it into the Packer forum fyi thread.........lol




Really?

What would Barry Sanders do?

[Bretsky]

Well if you're ever right about anything maybe you can show us how it's done.

Meanwhile, thanks for the thread bump! :lol:


hopefully nobody would notice; then it's right

[HowardRoark]

I also think this thread has about run its course. I was happy when it was on page 7. Let's get it there again really soon.

I agree.

[swede]

Joe is going to Kiln you.

[RashanGary]

Wanna see my Payton Manthing?

[Kiwon]

Brett who?

[bobblehead]

Who brought it up? Who brought up the crack about hiding in Illinois? Who's the coward? I've said in FYI and I'll say here. If you guys knew how to have a real discussion without sarcasm, broad sweeping inaccurate and insulting accusations about other groups' viewpoints, and out and out attacks on those who hold differing ideologies, I'd be an active participant. And we see how far my pleas for civility IN FYI have gotten. But Scott is right. Take your cowardly snipes about Illinois back to FYI where they belong.

Sorry MJ....but it is you who kept with the party line of "show us your plan" and then disappeared when we all posted links to Paul Ryans plan. Face it, the party you back is disgusting and incapable of an honest discussion. The disinfectant of sunlight makes them wilt like the wicked witch of the west in water. We lay out our arguments very clearly over there, we simply have no use for the leftist point of "I know you are but what am I" or the continual use of a many times disproven point.

[bobblehead]

Retail, you've been so wrong about the Packers that I am comforted that you think Walker's "program" will work and he will be re-elected.

RG is much smarter when it comes to politics than football from what I have seen. Sort of the anti bigguns if you will.

[Fritz]

Sigh. So do ya think Brent is gonna make a comeback?

[MJZiggy]

Dude, I dropped that two weeks ago so this could get back to being the Favre mocking thread it's so good at. Fritz, I hope he announces a comeback next week. What a comedic reprieve that would be to the whole lockout.

[channtheman]

I guess the NFL really can't exist without Favre. :lol:

[woodbuck27]

Dude, I dropped that two weeks ago so this could get back to being the Favre mocking thread it's so good at. Fritz, I hope he announces a comeback next week. What a comedic reprieve that would be to the whole lockout.

Fritz, I hope he (Favre) announces a comeback next week. MJZiggy

OK MJ I'll offer you some support:

If he comes back with a team that has a decent OL he can still light it up.

He would have to ensure that he is physically ready but that man can still play the game. I have no doubt of that.

So what are you doing MJ? Starting another Favre comeback theory because, if so, you'll gain some credit as the only person that believes that could be a possibility.

[Bretsky]

Sigh. So do ya think Brent is gonna make a comeback?

unions suck :)

[mraynrand]

Sorry MJ....but it is you who kept with the party line of "show us your plan" and then disappeared when we all posted links to Paul Ryans plan. Face it, the party you back is disgusting and incapable of an honest discussion. The disinfectant of sunlight makes them wilt like the wicked witch of the west in water. We lay out our arguments very clearly over there, we simply have no use for the leftist point of "I know you are but what am I" or the continual use of a many times disproven point.

Take it to FYI!

[mraynrand]

Dude, I dropped that two weeks ago so this could get back to being the Favre mocking thread it's so good at.
:bs: :roll:

[woodbuck27]

This!

Time heals some wounds, but when Favre shows no remorse or sorrow over anything then it will be difficult for many to forgive him.

I agree. It's always best to heal from within by taking 'the HIGHER' road.

I wonder though if it's not more of an issue with Packer and NFL fans in general as Favre seemed to indicate fr. his point of view at seasons end 'with the Jets' in an interview that it was nhis feeling that there were no bad feelings between himself and Packer management (TedThompson) and the teams coaching staff. That by that time he felt that both sides had moved on.

Too bad that many fans still choose to hold him to some ransome. Those fans are the clear losers regarding 'the Favre issues' IMO. Especially given that the whole or TRUTH to this point in time hasn't surfaced.

Life demands us to be more understanding and tolerant especially of those things that we cannot control. That's an individual choice and IMO, clearly the best choice.

GO PACKERS!

[Scott Campbell]

Ted Thompson is a world champion.
Mike McCarthy is a world champion.
Aaron Rodgers is a world champion.
The Packers are world champions.

And ole Bert is a creepy pervert.

It's a storybook ending. I told you so Woody.

[mraynrand]

Life demands us to be more understanding and tolerant especially of those things that we cannot control. :cnf::cnf::cnf::cnf:

I cannot control Johnny Jolly's choice to use/sell codeine. Should I be more tolerant of that? Maybe the judge should renew his license and say "Have a nice day" instead of popping him in the slammer for up to 20 years. Except that the judge can control Jolly, so s/he can be less tolerant, right?

[Fritz]

Woody, do you really think that ol' Brent could come back and "light it up"? Man, I wish you were the GM of an NFL franchise, so we could find out and so Ted could hose you outta some picks!

[woodbuck27]

Woody, do you really think that ol' Brent could come back and "light it up"? Man, I wish you were the GM of an NFL franchise, so we could find out and so Ted could hose you outta some picks!

Brett Favre is retired last time I understood his status. End of that.

[woodbuck27]

Ted Thompson is a world champion.
Mike McCarthy is a world champion.
Aaron Rodgers is a world champion.
The Packers are world champions.

And ole Bert is a creepy pervert.

It's a storybook ending. I told you so Woody.

That respose ....... deserves this ........

[packerbacker1234]

That respose ....... deserves this ........

Not only does it deserve that....

Brett Favre was a World Champion before Rodgers could even DREAM of winning a State Championship in HS. I guess the point is that the argument that Rodgers, the packers organization, etc. are world champions while Favre is a creepy pervert is more relevant today, but did we Forget Favre won a title as well? Until Rodgers wins a 2nd many will still have a hard time putting Rodgers over him all time. I mean, Peyton Manning only won one ring so far and may never get another, which means all time favre could stay ahead of him as well. Just keep things in perspective, it's not like the current packers, with Brett being 40/41, really have THAT much bragging rights over him right now.

Not even favre back in 2007 would of thought he'd have been playing in 2010.

[Kiwon]

Different discussion....

This is my expectation, the Packers will kiss Favre's butt in 2011 and make up with him, Favre will proclaim that he was never 'anti-Packers' and by 2012 that his number will be retired and he'll have a statue of himself erected (no pun intended) at Lambeau in a huge ceremony.

Your thoughts.... Is the timing off? Would this look like another upstaging of A-Rod?

[packerbacker1234]

Different discussion....

This is my expectation, the Packers will kiss Favre's butt in 2011 and make up with him, Favre will proclaim that he was never 'anti-Packers' and by 2012 that his number will be retired and he'll have a statue of himself erected (no pun intended) at Lambeau in a huge ceremony.

Your thoughts.... Is the timing off? Would this look like another upstaging of A-Rod?

Hard to upstage a guy who just got SB recently. I do think the packers and favre situation gets rectified sooner than people anticipate, definitely before he gets into Canton in 5 years. In a business such as the NFL, such things aren't as hard to pull off as fan forgiveness, and I think the barebones facts are, despite all the off field stuff, Favre does still have a lot of fans, at heart, in Wisconsin. He's lost a lot of support, sure, but he still has fans, and he was still, just last season, one of the most popular players in the NFL (I believe he, once again, boasted the top jersey sold. That despite the bad season).

A statue being erected may be going a tad far, but Jersey retired, etc is going to happen.

[MJZiggy]

Different discussion....

This is my expectation, the Packers will kiss Favre's butt in 2011 and make up with him, Favre will proclaim that he was never 'anti-Packers' and by 2012 that his number will be retired and he'll have a statue of himself erected (no pun intended) at Lambeau in a huge ceremony.

Your thoughts.... Is the timing off? Would this look like another upstaging of A-Rod?

Little too soon. I don't think the Packers care much about Favre's butt right now and it will take a few years to tone down the rancor that many fans still hold. If he tell the fans now that he was never anti-Packers, they will not believe him.

[mraynrand]

Favre deliberately tried to stick it to the Green Bay Packers
then he deliberately tried to stick it to Jenn Sterger
Many fans will get over it, but it will take time

I'd hazard to guess that most Packer fans younger than their mid-twenties saw Favre as a malicious, talented but flawed QB who threw horrible picks at critical times, and can't remember the Superbowl appearances at all.

[Scott Campbell]

This is my expectation, the Packers will kiss Favre's butt in 2011 and make up with him, Favre will proclaim that he was never 'anti-Packers' and by 2012 that his number will be retired and he'll have a statue of himself erected (no pun intended) at Lambeau in a huge ceremony.




I hope for his sake that it won't be anatomically correct.

[Bossman641]

I think they should erect a 4" statue of him outside Lambeau. That seems proper.

[Fritz]

It won't happen as soon as you're saying, I don't think, Kiwon, but I think you've got the essentials correct. My guess is that it'll happen after your timeline but before he's eligible for the Hall of Fame.

Ah, families. We love Uncle Brent, even though he up and joined up with the McCoys. Just keep him away from the flowering nieces.

[ThunderDan]

Brett Favre is retired last time I understood his status. End of that.

Hmmmmm..... I thought that was the deal in 2008 and 2009.

[ThunderDan]

Different discussion....

This is my expectation, the Packers will kiss Favre's butt in 2011 and make up with him, Favre will proclaim that he was never 'anti-Packers' and by 2012 that his number will be retired and he'll have a statue of himself erected (no pun intended) at Lambeau in a huge ceremony.

Your thoughts.... Is the timing off? Would this look like another upstaging of A-Rod?

I think this is a tuff one.

It won't happen this year. And I think BF won't be able to call TT and say sorry. So I think that kind of pushes it off until the HOF year. Then one side or the other will have to take the initiative to get it done. With TT's lack of ego I bet it will be the Packers that eventually hold out the olive branch to BF.

[easy cheesy]

I think they should erect a 4" statue of him outside Lambeau. That seems proper.

:tup::lol: The adoring minions could leave Vicodin tabs at its base in tribute..... lol at "erect"

[easy cheesy]

Ted Thompson is a world champion.
Mike McCarthy is a world champion.
Aaron Rodgers is a world champion.
The Packers are world champions.

And ole Bert is a creepy pervert.

It's a storybook ending. I told you so Woody.

***sigh*** I just love storybook endings.... :wink:

[Patler]

Different discussion....

This is my expectation, the Packers will kiss Favre's butt in 2011 and make up with him, Favre will proclaim that he was never 'anti-Packers' and by 2012 that his number will be retired and he'll have a statue of himself erected (no pun intended) at Lambeau in a huge ceremony.

Your thoughts.... Is the timing off? Would this look like another upstaging of A-Rod?

The Packers will ignore Favre in 2011. They now have two new "faces of the franchise" in Rodgers and Mathews. They have a whole new team of heroes from the Super Bowl season. To resurrect the Favre matter in the upcoming season would be a disservice to the group that achieved a Super Bowl victory. They deserve the limelight for the coming season. Favre does not. Any celebrations, promotions, fanfare should focus on the Super Bowl win.

The simple fact is, the Packers don't need Favre right now. They will never need him as much as they thought they would three years ago when they offered him the post-retirement contract. The Super Bowl win, the play of Aaron Rodgers and Fvare's own words and actions took care of that. The Packers will give Favre his day, but it won't be for a few years. The Packers won't allow it to distract from what the team did last season. They will probably try to do it before his induction at Canton, but they might just wait until that same year, depending on what the team does between now and then. If the team has a bad season, the following year might be a good time to give Favre his day.

[get louder at lambeau]

The Packers will ignore Favre in 2011. They now have two new "faces of the franchise" in Rodgers and Mathews. They have a whole new team of heroes from the Super Bowl season. To resurrect the Favre matter in the upcoming season would be a disservice to the group that achieved a Super Bowl victory. They deserve the limelight for the coming season. Favre does not. Any celebrations, promotions, fanfare should focus on the Super Bowl win.

The simple fact is, the Packers don't need Favre right now. They will never need him as much as they thought they would three years ago when they offered him the post-retirement contract. The Super Bowl win, the play of Aaron Rodgers and Fvare's own words and actions took care of that. The Packers will give Favre his day, but it won't be for a few years. The Packers won't allow it to distract from what the team did last season. They will probably try to do it before his induction at Canton, but they might just wait until that same year, depending on what the team does between now and then. If the team has a bad season, the following year might be a good time to give Favre his day.

Patler nailed it as usual. My bet is year 4 after he stays away they retire #4.

[Scott Campbell]

If ever we needed a dynasty....................

[woodbuck27]

With all this to the side:

The current and ongoing rancor of some Packer and NFL fans against Brett Favre. The petty or sensational reports of some possible bad feelings that Aaron Rodgers feels for Favre. Whether or not there is still bad blood between Packer Management and Favre.

I see it thus:

Favre is clearly on record as being long past any bad feeling over his being replaced as our QB and traded to the Jets. See his interview after his final league game as a NY Jet. Favre is on record as saying that he feels there is no problem wit Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy. Favre wanted to be an NFL starting QB. He rejected a $20 Million dollar$ offer to retire as a Packer to pursue his hopes of another Super Bowl and came close with the Vikings of again getting to 'the Show' two years after the Packers traded him.

He retired again and should have remained retired after his sensational first season as a Minnesotas Viking. That's just my opinion and I hope for Favre hindsight is 20-20.

Brett Favre always speaks fondly of Packer fans and his time in Green Bay and being a Green Bay Packer. He was on record as believing that the Green Bay Packers would win last seasons Super Bowl. There are reports that he tried to congratulate certain current members of the Packer organization or offer his congratulations for winning the Super Bowl.

Favre made mistakes. Brett Favre is human. Therefore not perfect. (-:

As a Packer fan it's not my place to wonder if Favre's number will be retired as a Green Bay Packer. Whether he will enter the HOF as a Packer but that seems logical. I don't care if there is ever a monument erected to honor his time as a Packer.

I just know this. I will applaud whatever honour he does receive. In my 50 plus years as a Packer fan. He was the most exciting Green Bay Packer I ever saw wear the Green and Gold. He gave me plenty as a fan to cheer for. He sometimes disappointed me.

I'm a forward thinking person and knowing it's never about any one person and as a loyal Packer fan that it's all about this:

GO PACK GO !

[woodbuck27]

Woody, do you really think that ol' Brent could come back and "light it up"? Man, I wish you were the GM of an NFL franchise, so we could find out and so Ted could hose you outta some picks!

If I was an NFL team manager I'm not sure it would be worth my frustration trying to work out any deal with Ted Thompson. Ted's shrewd and if anyone plays his cards close to his chest it's TT.

GO PACK GO!

[Lurker64]

If I was an NFL team manager I'm not sure it would be worth my frustration trying to work out any deal with Ted Thompson. Ted's shrewd and if anyone plays his cards close to his chest it's TT.

GO PACK GO!

Have you actually met the man? From everything I've heard, he's one of the best people in the business to deal with, he won't show you his cards but he's neither duplicitous nor manipulative. The sheer number of draft day trades he's pulled off speaks to the fact that actual NFL team managers don't mind dealing with him.

[woodbuck27]

Have you actually met the man? From everything I've heard, he's one of the best people in the business to deal with, he won't show you his cards but he's neither duplicitous nor manipulative. The sheer number of draft day trades he's pulled off speaks to the fact that actual NFL team managers don't mind dealing with him.

I havn't met Ted Thompson. When I say he's shrewd I don't mean any insult. I have seen TT as a manager that is hard to figure out. I'm a Packer fan. As a fan I sometimes have certain hopes and wishes. I personally felt that he might have offered more of a dynamic response. That's not Ted Thompson.

Let's just set it down as a pseudo or virual reality personality conflict and certainly nothing in a real sense. I enjoy and get along very well with normal people. I'm finding out here that Ted Thompson is a pure gem as a person of impecable quality and deportment. So if I met Ted Thompson it would change my life as an inspirational experience. (-:

GO Ted Thompson !

[Patler]

Favre is clearly on record as being long past any bad feeling over his being replaced as our QB and traded to the Jets. See his interview after his final league game as a NY Jet. Favre is on record as saying that he feels there is no problem wit Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy.
Brett Favre always speaks fondly of Packer fans and his time in Green Bay and being a Green Bay Packer. He was on record as believing that the Green Bay Packers would win last seasons Super Bowl. There are reports that he tried to congratulate certain current members of the Packer organization or offer his congratulations for winning the Super Bowl.

Woodbuck;

Perhaps you have forgotten the exchange with Peppers after the last Bears/Vikings game? In case you have, here is a good summary of the then-existing situation and Favre's unsolicited comment to Peppers:




If Brett Favre tries to pull the “no hard feelings” card when talking about the Packers a few years down the road, don’t believe him. There are times when it seems the guy wants Green Bay to lose as badly as he wants to win. After all, he did make it a point to join their biggest rival after he retired several times (http://larrybrownsports.com/football/brett-favres-retiring-minnesota-vikings/26163). Now, Favre is wishing Packers opponents well. After a game in which he left with a concussion and watched his Vikings get demolished by the Bears, Old Man Brett talked to Julius Peppers. Among the things he told the defensive end (http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/blogs/112295994.html?elr=KArksi8cyaiUz33Dii_9PmP:Qi_17cQ iU47cQU17cQ_bDaEP7U) was, “go beat the Packers in a couple weeks.” They also exchanged compliments in case it turns out to be Brett’s last game and all that boring stuff, but talk about sour grapes.
When they beat Minnesota, the Bears clinched the NFC North title. The Vikings are completely out of the playoff race now with a 5-9 record, but the Packers remain on the bubble at 8-6. It would be one thing if a Green Bay loss benefited the Vikings in some way, but that isn’t the case at all. Favre simply wants the town that showed him 16 years of unconditioned commitment to suffer at all cost.There was nothing for MN to gain from the Bears beating the Packers.
There was nothing for Chicago to gain from the Bears beating the Packers, except eliminating the Packers.
There was no reason for Favre to even mention it at that time except for his deep seeded desire to see the Packer organization fail.

I for one have not believed what Favre tells the media for a long time, from before he left Green Bay. He says what is in his best interest to say. The comment made to Peppers, a personal comment not meant for the media, is a better indicator of his true feelings than is a comment made to reporters that he hoped GB would win the Super Bowl.

Favre's image took a tremendous blow last season. He is trying to repair it, I suspect. However, the unplanned, off-the-cuff comment to Peppers indicates he still holds great resentment for the Packers, still wants to see them fail. I suspect the Packers' Super Bowl win hurt/disappointed him as much as it did for most Steeler fans.

Eventually, Favre's number will be retired officially in a ceremony during a Packer game, and his name will be added to those on the stadium ring. Eventually, the animosity will subside for Favre, the Packers and fans, but that special relationship between the Packers and Favre will never return.

[AtlPackFan]

God, is this thread still around??? :-)

[RashanGary]

I'd go on to say Favre's whole personality is a sham. He's fake, fake, fake. His charm is unsurpassed, but it's so disingenuous, it's repulsive.

[RashanGary]

With Rodgers, he says the right things too, without lying, but there are pauses, and moments of body language that you can tell what he's actually thinking. His body language is, "guys, I don't want to answer this, but I'm just happy to have an opportunity". He never complained about the Favre drama, but you knew it really bothered him by his true body language. With Favre, he sounds like he's swearing on his childeren's lives. There is no genuine body language to make you see his true self. The only reason you know is because you pin all of other pieces together and you've seen it for 10 years. He's a scary liar.

[get louder at lambeau]

I'd go on to say Favre's whole personality is a sham. He's fake, fake, fake. His charm is unsurpassed, but it's so disingenuous, it's repulsive.

I wonder if Deanna would agree with you on that one? Seems like she would, but I haven't heard about her going Elin Woods on him just yet.

[Scott Campbell]

She's his number one enabler.

[swede]

She's his number one enabler.

The smart move is to wait until Brett's earning capacity is maxed out before divorcing him. The clock is ticking.

How does Mormon law work in terms of divorce? Each wife gets a horse, 1.4 kids, and a swing with a frying pan?

[Scott Campbell]

The smart move is to wait until Brett's earning capacity is maxed out before divorcing him. The clock is ticking.

How does Mormon law work in terms of divorce? Each wife gets a horse, 1.4 kids, and a swing with a frying pan?


Divorce? You can't even get away from your wives in the afterlife. You're sealed for eternity.

[Iron Mike]

Divorce? You can't even get away from your wives in the afterlife. You're sealed for eternity.

Only if you die wearing your temple garments.....

http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/images/mormon-temple-garments.jpg

[Scott Campbell]

Only if you die wearing your temple garments.....

http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/images/mormon-temple-garments.jpg


The locals prefer to call them "Jesus Jammies".

[Pugger]

Woodbuck;

Perhaps you have forgotten the exchange with Peppers after the last Bears/Vikings game? In case you have, here is a good summary of the then-existing situation and Favre's unsolicited comment to Peppers:


There was nothing for MN to gain from the Bears beating the Packers.
There was nothing for Chicago to gain from the Bears beating the Packers, except eliminating the Packers.
There was no reason for Favre to even mention it at that time except for his deep seeded desire to see the Packer organization fail.

I for one have not believed what Favre tells the media for a long time, from before he left Green Bay. He says what is in his best interest to say. The comment made to Peppers, a personal comment not meant for the media, is a better indicator of his true feelings than is a comment made to reporters that he hoped GB would win the Super Bowl.

Favre's image took a tremendous blow last season. He is trying to repair it, I suspect. However, the unplanned, off-the-cuff comment to Peppers indicates he still holds great resentment for the Packers, still wants to see them fail. I suspect the Packers' Super Bowl win hurt/disappointed him as much as it did for most Steeler fans.

Eventually, Favre's number will be retired officially in a ceremony during a Packer game, and his name will be added to those on the stadium ring. Eventually, the animosity will subside for Favre, the Packers and fans, but that special relationship between the Packers and Favre will never return.

Patler has nailed it again. Yes, Favre will be welcomed back into the fold but not until after TT and the current Packers' management and coaches are long gone.

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck;

Perhaps you have forgotten the exchange with Peppers after the last Bears/Vikings game? In case you have, here is a good summary of the then-existing situation and Favre's unsolicited comment to Peppers:


There was nothing for MN to gain from the Bears beating the Packers.
There was nothing for Chicago to gain from the Bears beating the Packers, except eliminating the Packers.
There was no reason for Favre to even mention it at that time except for his deep seeded desire to see the Packer organization fail.

I for one have not believed what Favre tells the media for a long time, from before he left Green Bay. He says what is in his best interest to say. The comment made to Peppers, a personal comment not meant for the media, is a better indicator of his true feelings than is a comment made to reporters that he hoped GB would win the Super Bowl.

Favre's image took a tremendous blow last season. He is trying to repair it, I suspect. However, the unplanned, off-the-cuff comment to Peppers indicates he still holds great resentment for the Packers, still wants to see them fail. I suspect the Packers' Super Bowl win hurt/disappointed him as much as it did for most Steeler fans.

Eventually, Favre's number will be retired officially in a ceremony during a Packer game, and his name will be added to those on the stadium ring. Eventually, the animosity will subside for Favre, the Packers and fans, but that special relationship between the Packers and Favre will never return.

I choose to debate your position Patler and I write to you ' the Packer fan '.

What amazes me is that any fan, or any person, not directly connected to the sport. Would allow such 'gamesmanship'. Based on personal feelings that any Pro athlete might have about a former employer. To emotionally impact him/her, ' the fan ' .

Why would 'any fan' ie you Patler. Be emotionally moved about something that is normal? Normal in life in general.

Do Pro athletes have a special clause to live by? After Favre left Green Bay should he have been cheering for Green Bay Packer success?

It happens all the time that athletes change teams thus loyalities. Patler, you and I are not Pro's. We are fans. We may have participated in amatuer sports where changing affiliation has a zero emotional impact on the future. Players on the other side are still wished well. Maybe you or I wanted that former team to lose badly and made that wish well known?

Whatever position one takes isn't it 'a free choice'?

Patler ... if you were a Pro athlete playing for a team and that team traded you. Would 'you' wish that team every success in the future?

GO PACKERS!

[retailguy]

if you were a Pro athlete playing for a team and that team traded you. Would 'you' wish that team every success in the future?



I am not Patler, but, I'd like to answer this part.

Yes, I would continue to root for the team that gave me a home for 16 seasons, and paid me $100m dollars over my career. I would root for them to win every time I had nothing on the line with my current team. But, then again, I'm honest enough that I would accept some responsibility for being traded, as I was very unclear and non-committal regarding my future plans related to playing football. I'm honest enough to recognize that had I not done that for 7 straight seasons, perhaps, I would not have been replaced, nor traded.

But, that's me, and not the ego maniac that you're discussing....

[Guiness]

I choose to debate your position Patler and I write to you ' the Packer fan '.

What amazes me is that any fan, or any person, not directly connected to the sport. Would allow such 'gamesmanship'. Based on personal feelings that any Pro athlete might have about a former employer. To emotionally impact him/her, ' the fan ' .

Why would 'any fan' ie you Patler. Be emotionally moved about something that is normal? Normal in life in general.

Do Pro athletes have a special clause to live by? After Favre left Green Bay should he have been cheering for Green Bay Packer success?

It happens all the time that athletes change teams thus loyalities. Patler, you and I are not Pro's. We are fans. We may have participated in amatuer sports where changing affiliation has a zero emotional impact on the future. Players on the other side are still wished well. Maybe you or I wanted that former team to lose badly and made that wish well known?

Whatever position one takes isn't it 'a free choice'?

Patler ... if you were a Pro athlete playing for a team and that team traded you. Would 'you' wish that team every success in the future?

GO PACKERS!

I agree with Patler that that comment showed Favre's true persona more than anything else. Yes, he's a pro athlete, but was acting anything like a professional.

Should he wish the Packers every success in the future? No, that's not expected. But a professional would've kept his mouth shut.

I would hazard a guess that amateur athletes have a stronger affiliation to 'home' teams than pros. Because they truly are home teams. For instance, I would never play hockey for Wullerton (SPIT!). But a pro goes where the paycheck leads him.

[Lurker64]

I would never play hockey for Wullerton (SPIT!).

I didn't know you were from Dog River.

[Cheesehead Craig]

Should Favre have been actively wishing ill upon his former team, nearly 3 years after leaving them?

He sounds like someone who needs to let it go as well.

[Bossman641]

I choose to debate your position Patler and I write to you ' the Packer fan '.

What amazes me is that any fan, or any person, not directly connected to the sport. Would allow such 'gamesmanship'. Based on personal feelings that any Pro athlete might have about a former employer. To emotionally impact him/her, ' the fan ' .

Why would 'any fan' ie you Patler. Be emotionally moved about something that is normal? Normal in life in general.

Do Pro athletes have a special clause to live by? After Favre left Green Bay should he have been cheering for Green Bay Packer success?

It happens all the time that athletes change teams thus loyalities. Patler, you and I are not Pro's. We are fans. We may have participated in amatuer sports where changing affiliation has a zero emotional impact on the future. Players on the other side are still wished well. Maybe you or I wanted that former team to lose badly and made that wish well known?

Whatever position one takes isn't it 'a free choice'?

Patler ... if you were a Pro athlete playing for a team and that team traded you. Would 'you' wish that team every success in the future?

GO PACKERS!

WB it has nothing to do with free choice or emotions. You tried to paint Favre as someone who had gotten over the Packer situation and had reached the point of wishing success for the Packers. From his comments to Peppers, that is clearly not the case. He's a bitter old man, that's all.

[Patler]

I choose to debate your position Patler and I write to you ' the Packer fan '.

What amazes me is that any fan, or any person, not directly connected to the sport. Would allow such 'gamesmanship'. Based on personal feelings that any Pro athlete might have about a former employer. To emotionally impact him/her, ' the fan ' .

Why would 'any fan' ie you Patler. Be emotionally moved about something that is normal? Normal in life in general.

Do Pro athletes have a special clause to live by? After Favre left Green Bay should he have been cheering for Green Bay Packer success?

It happens all the time that athletes change teams thus loyalities. Patler, you and I are not Pro's. We are fans. We may have participated in amatuer sports where changing affiliation has a zero emotional impact on the future. Players on the other side are still wished well. Maybe you or I wanted that former team to lose badly and made that wish well known?

Whatever position one takes isn't it 'a free choice'?

Patler ... if you were a Pro athlete playing for a team and that team traded you. Would 'you' wish that team every success in the future?




Woodbuck; I don't know how to say this diplomatically, so I will be blunt, with apologies. I find your recent response to be extremely strange, based on your earlier statement.

I am not the least bit emotionally involved with the Favre matter. I merely responded to your allegation that Favre was beyond his initial hurt feelings. I think the facts indicate differently and I explained why. I was not derogatory in my comments about Favre. I merely stated the facts as I saw them. If that paints Favre in a bad light, so be it, but that is not my intention.

Is it unusual that Favre feel negatively toward the Packers? I doubt it, and nearly said so in my initial response to you. However; it is a strange acknowledgment coming from you. After all, it was you who argued that he, Favre, was not feeling animosity, that he had gotten over his hard feelings and now wished the Packers well. Now you seem to be supporting my interpretation, not your own initial argument.

While I think his continued animosity is not necessarily unusual, I am not ready to say it is common. Three years is a long time. Grieving tends to subside significantly by then. Generally, if it hasn't, it is an indication that a person may need some help sorting through their feelings and emotions. Hurt feelings should heal faster than that. Not that you ever get over it completely, but it should no longer consume you. I fear that Favre is still consumed by his anger. I see no other reason for him to encourage Peppers to beat GB as he did, when he did. I said at the time that it happened that it was a odd thought for him to have at that time. It was an odd subject for his conversational prioritization with Julius Peppers, on the last day they are likely to meet on the field as competitors. His desire to see the Packers fail was an unusually high priority three seasons after his departure from GB.

For some reason you remain emotionally hinged to Favre, to the point that you ignore many negative facts, no matter how blatant. I have never understood how any fan can so emotionally attach themselves to an athlete that they put them on god-like pedestals, and continually ignore their negative sides.

[Patler]

WB it has nothing to do with free choice or emotions. You tried to paint Favre as someone who had gotten over the Packer situation and had reached the point of wishing success for the Packers. From his comments to Peppers, that is clearly not the case. He's a bitter old man, that's all.

You said it much more succinctly than I did !!!

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck; I don't know how to say this diplomatically, so I will be blunt, with apologies. I find your recent response to be extremely strange, based on your earlier statement.

I am not the least bit emotionally involved with the Favre matter. I merely responded to your allegation that Favre was beyond his initial hurt feelings. I think the facts indicate differently and I explained why. I was not derogatory in my comments about Favre. I merely stated the facts as I saw them. If that paints Favre in a bad light, so be it, but that is not my intention.

Is it unusual that Favre feel negatively toward the Packers? I doubt it, and nearly said so in my initial response to you. However; it is a strange acknowledgment coming from you. After all, it was you who argued that he, Favre, was not feeling animosity, that he had gotten over his hard feelings and now wished the Packers well. Now you seem to be supporting my interpretation, not your own initial argument.

While I think his continued animosity is not necessarily unusual, I am not ready to say it is common. Three years is a long time. Grieving tends to subside significantly by then. Generally, if it hasn't, it is an indication that a person may need some help sorting through their feelings and emotions. Hurt feelings should heal faster than that. Not that you ever get over it completely, but it should no longer consume you. I fear that Favre is still consumed by his anger. I see no other reason for him to encourage Peppers to beat GB as he did, when he did. I said at the time that it happened that it was a odd thought for him to have at that time. It was an odd subject for his conversational prioritization with Julius Peppers, on the last day they are likely to meet on the field as competitors. His desire to see the Packers fail was an unusually high priority three seasons after his departure from GB.

For some reason you remain emotionally hinged to Favre, to the point that you ignore many negative facts, no matter how blatant. I have never understood how any fan can so emotionally attach themselves to an athlete that they put them on god-like pedestals, and continually ignore their negative sides.

"I find your recent response to be extremely strange, based on your earlier statement." Patler

I'm not at all sure what response you refer to Patler. I will stick to the last question in my last post to you.

What is strange about claiming it might (might not) be abnormal for anyone to not wish anyone or any organization best wishes after departing that relationship for whatever reason? It's a personal choice. If the facts prove that Favre feels animosity for the Packer Organization that is simply of his free will. Animosities are sometimes carried fr. one generation to the next. As a bystander it's not my position of choice to judge the parties involved.

In this instance I am a mere fan. I observe all the bad feelings with only some amusement. It's not my place to choose sides. I'm a mere fan of the NFL and as a Packer fan try to detach myself from any of the 'he said-he said' malarky. So much of what we read on the Favre issues are merely media driven hype. I don't know nor really care what's published.

"I merely responded to your allegation that Favre was beyond his initial hurt feelings. " Patler

Favre clearly made that as a statement of fact in his recognition of the issue on his final games post interview as a NY Jet. He clearly said that he felt both sides had moved on. It was no longer an issue.

If Julius Peppers threw him under the bus with reports of Favre hoping that the Bears defeated the Packers. That is a mere rumour. It should not be held against Favre as anything more than an unsubstatiated claim by Julius Peppers. It is just rumor.

"Is it unusual that Favre feel negatively toward the Packers? I doubt it, and nearly said so in my initial response to you." Patler

So we agree here.

Your position that any such slam against Favre as to whether he told Peppers or not that 'he hoped the Bears would defeat the Packers' ... is moot.

It wouldn't be unusual for Favre to feel negative against the Packers. You agree that isn't an abnormal stance if that is 'the truth'.

"While I think his continued animosity is not necessarily unusual, I am not ready to say it is common." Patler

That's a debatable topic Patler that would lead nowhere. It so often comes down to a judgement based position by anyone allowing the matter to affect them over any parties concerned. To act emotional over matters that are beyond our reach of full understanding as we are mere fans and not inside the parties involved. I feel in the Favrew issue thathis claim that both sides made mistakes is most likely the case. I leave it there.

"I fear that Favre is still consumed by his anger. " Patler

Have you personally observed Favre's anger? If you havn't then how can you ever offer such a possibility?

" I see no other reason for him to encourage Peppers to beat GB as he did, when he did. I said at the time that it happened that it was a odd thought for him to have at that time. It was an odd subject for his conversational prioritization with Julius Peppers, on the last day they are likely to meet on the field as competitors. His desire to see the Packers fail was an unusually high priority three seasons after his departure from GB. "

No. If 'in fact' Favre wanted that or a Packer defeat by the Bears. That's only gamesnmanship. If any two teams are matched up it's not abnormal to choose one team over the other. Maybe Favre did support the Bears. That isn't reason to attack him as some suffering emotional incompetant. The Bears and Vikings are rivals of the Packers. Is it abnormal for any member of those teams to support the other in defeating 'the Pack'? I say hardly. I don't see that as abnormal rather normal.

What does three years after have to do with the price of tea in China? Favre played on a rival team last season.

" For some reason you remain emotionally hinged to Favre, to the point that you ignore many negative facts, no matter how blatant." Patler

No Patler. I am not...NOT...emotionally hinged to Brett Favre. That is me telling you 'the TRUTH'. I will always take the stance that Favre was a fine QB in the NFL. End of story.

Please. Don't interpret or impose an emotional tag on me when that tag is wrong. I do not feel emotionally attached to anyone that cannot raise such emotion in me for a valid reason. I have never met Brett Fvare. I likely never will meet Brett Favre. I certainly do not defend some of his past behaviours that hurt so many of his fans and certainly took his immediate and other family to task. I got right there after a lot of analysis and thinking.

Brettt Favre and what he does with his private life is no concern of mine. I supported Favre the football player and in that regard alone. Brett Fvare was a very solid QB in the NFL. I support his record as such overall and the rest of it is certainly beyond my scope to judge. He like me is human and errors.

" I have never understood how any fan can so emotionally attach themselves to an athlete that they put them on god-like pedestals, and continually ignore their negative sides. " Patler

1. I'm not emotionally attached to Brett Favre.

2. I have never placed Brett Favre on any God-like pedestal

3. I have moved on as a fan of the Packers ( Re: anytrhing Brett Favre) and it's my position that a lot more here at PackerRats should take the same stride. It's the emotional outbursts of those people that I feel paints them in a poor light. They are who they are and I am who I am and we co-exist here. One big happy family. (-:

4. Believe me and I am onn record as saying that I wasn't pleased with all the scandal that Brett Favre was faced with. I believe he ws guilty of some of the claims against him. He has and possibly will continue to pat whatever price. All that is beyond my realm of concern.

I supported and will support Brett Favre the NFL QB 'only', and it ends there.

Now Patler after all that. Have we really begun to debate the issue I raised in the previous post?

GO PACKERS!

[RashanGary]

Well,l where do you go with that one, Patler ;)


We should only judge Favre on his chosen words in the media, not any actions or real-life words that say otherwise, haha. Now that is your typical Favre fan. Woodbuck does not disappoint.

[RashanGary]

So anyway. . . .

Unions rock!

[Pugger]

I am not Patler, but, I'd like to answer this part.

Yes, I would continue to root for the team that gave me a home for 16 seasons, and paid me $100m dollars over my career. I would root for them to win every time I had nothing on the line with my current team. But, then again, I'm honest enough that I would accept some responsibility for being traded, as I was very unclear and non-committal regarding my future plans related to playing football. I'm honest enough to recognize that had I not done that for 7 straight seasons, perhaps, I would not have been replaced, nor traded.

But, that's me, and not the ego maniac that you're discussing....

+1

[Pugger]

Should Favre have been actively wishing ill upon his former team, nearly 3 years after leaving them?

He sounds like someone who needs to let it go as well.

No kidding. It now appears it is only he and his fans that need to let it go. The Packers and most Packer fans already have.

[Pugger]

"I find your recent response to be extremely strange, based on your earlier statement." Patler

I'm not at all sure what response you refer to Patler. I will stick to the last question in my last post to you.

What is strange about claiming it might (might not) be abnormal for anyone to not wish anyone or any organization best wishes after departing that relationship for whatever reason? It's a personal choice. If the facts prove that Favre feels animosity for the Packer Organization that is simply of his free will. Animosities are sometimes carried fr. one generation to the next. As a bystander it's not my position of choice to judge the parties involved.

In this instance I am a mere fan. I observe all the bad feelings with only some amusement. It's not my place to choose sides. I'm a mere fan of the NFL and as a Packer fan try to detach myself from any of the 'he said-he said' malarky. So much of what we read on the Favre issues are merely media driven hype. I don't know nor really care what's published.

"I merely responded to your allegation that Favre was beyond his initial hurt feelings. " Patler

Favre clearly made that as a statement of fact in his recognition of the issue on his final games post interview as a NY Jet. He clearly said that he felt both sides had moved on. It was no longer an issue.

If Julius Peppers threw him under the bus with reports of Favre hoping that the Bears defeated the Packers. That is a mere rumour. It should not be held against Favre as anything more than an unsubstatiated claim by Julius Peppers. It is just rumor.

"Is it unusual that Favre feel negatively toward the Packers? I doubt it, and nearly said so in my initial response to you." Patler

So we agree here.

Your position that any such slam against Favre as to whether he told Peppers or not that 'he hoped the Bears would defeat the Packers' ... is moot.

It wouldn't be unusual for Favre to feel negative against the Packers. You agree that isn't an abnormal stance if that is 'the truth'.

"While I think his continued animosity is not necessarily unusual, I am not ready to say it is common." Patler

That's a debatable topic Patler that would lead nowhere. It so often comes down to a judgement based position by anyone allowing the matter to affect them over any parties concerned. To act emotional over matters that are beyond our reach of full understanding as we are mere fans and not inside the parties involved. I feel in the Favrew issue thathis claim that both sides made mistakes is most likely the case. I leave it there.

"I fear that Favre is still consumed by his anger. " Patler

Have you personally observed Favre's anger? If you havn't then how can you ever offer such a possibility?

" I see no other reason for him to encourage Peppers to beat GB as he did, when he did. I said at the time that it happened that it was a odd thought for him to have at that time. It was an odd subject for his conversational prioritization with Julius Peppers, on the last day they are likely to meet on the field as competitors. His desire to see the Packers fail was an unusually high priority three seasons after his departure from GB. "

No. If 'in fact' Favre wanted that or a Packer defeat by the Bears. That's only gamesnmanship. If any two teams are matched up it's not abnormal to choose one team over the other. Maybe Favre did support the Bears. That isn't reason to attack him as some suffering emotional incompetant. The Bears and Vikings are rivals of the Packers. Is it abnormal for any member of those teams to support the other in defeating 'the Pack'? I say hardly. I don't see that as abnormal rather normal.

What does three years after have to do with the price of tea in China? Favre played on a rival team last season.

" For some reason you remain emotionally hinged to Favre, to the point that you ignore many negative facts, no matter how blatant." Patler

No Patler. I am not...NOT...emotionally hinged to Brett Favre. That is me telling you 'the TRUTH'. I will always take the stance that Favre was a fine QB in the NFL. End of story.

Please. Don't interpret or impose an emotional tag on me when that tag is wrong. I do not feel emotionally attached to anyone that cannot raise such emotion in me for a valid reason. I have never met Brett Fvare. I likely never will meet Brett Favre. I certainly do not defend some of his past behaviours that hurt so many of his fans and certainly took his immediate and other family to task. I got right there after a lot of analysis and thinking.

Brettt Favre and what he does with his private life is no concern of mine. I supported Favre the football player and in that regard alone. Brett Fvare was a very solid QB in the NFL. I support his record as such overall and the rest of it is certainly beyond my scope to judge. He like me is human and errors.

" I have never understood how any fan can so emotionally attach themselves to an athlete that they put them on god-like pedestals, and continually ignore their negative sides. " Patler

1. I'm not emotionally attached to Brett Favre.

2. I have never placed Brett Favre on any God-like pedestal

3. I have moved on as a fan of the Packers ( Re: anytrhing Brett Favre) and it's my position that a lot more here at PackerRats should take the same stride. It's the emotional outbursts of those people that I feel paints them in a poor light. They are who they are and I am who I am and we co-exist here. One big happy family. (-:

4. Believe me and I am onn record as saying that I wasn't pleased with all the scandal that Brett Favre was faced with. I believe he ws guilty of some of the claims against him. He has and possibly will continue to pat whatever price. All that is beyond my realm of concern.

I supported and will support Brett Favre the NFL QB 'only', and it ends there.

Now Patler after all that. Have we really begun to debate the issue I raised in the previous post?

GO PACKERS!

"The gentleman doth protest too much, methinks".

[Scott Campbell]

I'm just glad I sided with Ted in this fight.

It looks like Woody's trying to forget he sided with Bert. But we remember.

[woodbuck27]

I'll lay this dow before responding to some of the posts I just read. What is your analysis of this bit of NFL news. I havn't as yet checked for a reaction fr. any other rumor sites. I have too much else on my plate today to look into it. Frankly I'm again surprized that Favre would contimplate a return unless that prospect is about his love of competing in the game, and that with Carolina? That's a dubious choice of destination to say the least in my estimation:

Will Favre quarterback Carolina?

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/275030-will-favre-quarterback-carolina?eref=fromSI&eref=fromSI&utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral

GO PACKERS!

[Patler]

Now Patler after all that. Have we really begun to debate the issue I raised in the previous post?

Which was ... what ?????????????

Apparently, I have difficulty deciphering your intended issues from the obvious issues I perceive in your writings.

[woodbuck27]

"I'm just glad I sided with Ted in this fight.

It looks like Woody's trying to forget he sided with Bert. But we remember." Scott Campbell

There you go again. Why do you need to act like the school yard bully and drum up some audience for your antics.

"It looks like Woody's trying to forget he sided with Bert." Scott Campbell

Did you write that while thinking to yourself? or Are you asking for a consensus of some opinion you have about me?

Why not simply post me with a question and if it's mannerly presented I will respond to you in kind. Can you understand that Scott.

Otherwise I refuse to allow 'the Scott Campbell Show' to go on stage at my expense or on my time.

Scott. It's Brett Favre not Bert Favre.

Now to your post as it does deserve a response.

I wasn't taking sides. I was trying to determined what really happened that resulted in FRavre's trade to the NY Jets.

Going back and looking at it all now it's my feeling that the Packer Organization should have simply informed Brett Favre on plans to move forward at the QB position and that Aaron Rodgers would be considered the #1 starting QB and it was Aaron Rodgers job to loose.

The Packers could have, irregardless of Favre's response, then informed us the fan of their intended change in direction. Favre could have then asked for an outright release. If that was refused he could have asked to be traded. I never thought it was wise on behalf of the Packer Organization to make an outright offer to Favre of $20 Million$ to simply retire.

I believe that offer doesn't necessarily pait the organization in a good light as any fan familiar with Favre might easily see that he would desire a return to the game after his outstanding final season as a Packer. I feel that both Favre and the Packer Organization made errors in how all that was handled. Favre as much as defined that when he reported that was his opinion in the last Jets game post interview.

Am I the only member here that read that interview and his response to the question as to how he then felt about being traded from the Packers?

GO Packers!

[RashanGary]

Is it just me or has Favre's image degraded?

[woodbuck27]

Originally Posted by woodbuck27

Now Patler after all that. Have we really begun to debate the issue I raised in the previous post?
Which was ... what ?????????????

Apparently, I have difficulty deciphering your intended issues from the obvious issues I perceive in your writings.

Last edited by Patler; 03-28-2011 at ............................ '03:05 PM'.

Patler your obviously not on American soil. Enjoy thast experience.

Your a poster here that I respect. You make every effort to ensure the accuracy of so called facts on this forum.

It really escapes me that a man of your intelligence would ever allow himself to get caught up in discussion or pay attention to any meaningless rumor like what J. Peppers had released to the media over Brett Favre. I do not want to debate with you as much as I hop3ed (hope) to ally a poster such as you with my attitude to such romors.

It's useless information. Therefore only for those who enjoy sensationalizing such crap.
I do not intend a woodbuck27 Vs Patler debate as some entertasinment feature at PackerRats.

I have clearly elaborated on my positions as an NFL and Packer fan. I have clearly sted that I do NOT place Brett Favre on any pedestal moreso a GOD like one. Come on !!!

I responded politely and all in terms for you to understand me better and be fair in terms of how you see me.

Apparently, I have difficulty deciphering your intended issues Patler

I have clearly stated that ' if in fact ' Favre hoped that the Bears would defeat the Packers that that wasn't an abnormal response. Rather one that could mirror any other Pro atletes response given 'that players previous history with the team' he was employed with and now hoped to fail somehow. Such a response is common gamesmanship and not at all in the appaling realm of "how could he do such a thing' discussion.

To go all antsy over such media reports is small. Isn't it really a 'so what' thing? No big deal. Pointless to discuss to any great length as it's just rumor. That it's not at all creepy or far fetched. Even if ' in fact ' it's true?

Patler I have things to do today so I will not be able to respond till any post back to me till this evening. Have a nice day.

GO PACKERS!

[RashanGary]

Woodbuck, I think you're the only person on this forum that believes a word you're saying. Favre retired, the Packers moved on, when Favre tried to come back they told him, "no" and he threw a fit. That's not both sides screwing up. That's Favre screwing up.

You say Favre is happy for the Packers to succeed. His words to Julius Peppers show otherwise.



You can just go away with this talk, woody. Before you got here, we had more pressing things to discuss in this thread like politics and labor strife.

[Scott Campbell]

Is it just me or has Favre's image degraded?


Depends who you ask. :lol:

[woodbuck27]

"I'll lay this down before responding to some of the posts I just read. What is your analysis of this bit of NFL news. I havn't as yet checked for a reaction fr. any other rumor sites. I have too much else on my plate today to look into it. Frankly I'm again surprized that Favre would contimplate a return unless that prospect is about his love of competing in the game, and that with Carolina? That's a dubious choice of destination to say the least in my estimation" woodbuck27

Will Favre quarterback Carolina?

Read more:

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/275030-will-favre-quarterback-carolina?eref=fromSI&eref=fromSI&utm_source=bleacherreport.com&utm_medium=referral#ixzz1HuUpiFKb

I just read the responses to this rumor and some of them are hiliarious.

My favourites;

Ahhh, spring. When young interns' minds turn to thoughts of Favre. A harbinger that the long, long winter is finally coming to a close.

hmm,....does brett know this ?

What's an offseason without Favre Watch?

If Favre manages to get halfway healthy during the offseason, he'd be much better than any other alternative for the Panthers. Then instead of wasting the top pick on Cam Newton, they could draft the best player available in Patrick Peterson and wait one more year to go for a QB in the draft. Yeah, it is enough to make you pull your hair out with the Favre rumors every year. But dont discount the fact that when healthy he is a first ballot hall of famer. And I think Favre could conceivably play 3 more years if he chooses to. Personally, I'd love to see it happen. But he'd have to take a paycut to play for the cheap Jerry Richardson.

This guy agreed to man my grill this summer. So this is a false story people.

This story has no facts in it. I could say that Next year Favre might paint his testies blue and start calling himself Rose, and it would be just as truthful.

A Favre thread? For gods sake ... where are all those spamers when you need them?
Well at least there will be SOME good coming from the lockout - no players, also means no Favre.

I don't understand all the naysayers on Favre...where were you the year before last when he was awesome. I know where you were the year before that and last year. I know he is flaky, but I don't doubt he has another year in him ... his line was to blame last year.

Now I know I drank too much wine last night. I should have never purchased that last bottle; because now I am having hallucinations. I could have sworn I heard that Farve was coming back! My head is spinning again. I have got to lie down and sober up from this nightmare

Multiple sources say that all three of the top QBs in this draft have significant shortcomings so using Favre for one year until they can draft a better QB makes a lot of sense for the Panthers. Unfortunately it doesn't make any sense at all for Favre and I believe he is in Mississippi laughing at this rumor right now. He always said he wants to play one more year on a team that could give him one more shot at a Super Bowl. Carolina isn't going anywhere even with Favre and Brett knows it. He's staying home.

GO PACKERS!

[woodbuck27]

Woodbuck, I think you're the only person on this forum that believes a word you're saying. Favre retired, the Packers moved on, when Favre tried to come back they told him, "no" and he threw a fit. That's not both sides screwing up. That's Favre screwing up.

You say Favre is happy for the Packers to succeed. His words to Julius Peppers show otherwise.


You can just go away with this talk, woody. Before you got here, we had more pressing things to discuss in this thread like politics and labor strife.

SO JH go there and ignore my posts to Patler. Did I post you recently on this thread? NO!

Why act so viscious. Relax Packer fan. (-:

GO PACKERS!

[Patler]

Patler your obviously not on American soil. Enjoy thast experience.

?????????


It really escapes me that a man of your intelligence would ever allow himself to get caught up in discussion or pay attention to any meaningless rumor like what J. Peppers had released to the media over Brett Favre. I do not want to debate with you as much as I hop3ed (hope) to ally a poster such as you with my attitude to such romors.

It's useless information. Therefore only for those who enjoy sensationalizing such crap.

That Peppers made the statement is not a rumor, that is fact. The question is if one is to believe Peppers. Why is Peppers any less credible than Favre? You have chosen not to believe Peppers, and to believe Favre's statements about holding no animosity. I chose to believe Peppers for several reasons:

1. Peppers has no apparent reason to have fabricated the story.
2. Peppers statement about Favre is consistent with other things I have observed from and about Favre.
3. I have experienced what I believe is Favre being less than factual in statements in the past.

From that, my analysis leads me to believe that Peppers was probably accurate in relaying the conversation with Favre, even if it portrays an inconsistent picture with reputation-saving comments made by Favre shortly thereafter.

[Zool]

I'm surprised anyone reads those posts.

[HowardRoark]

http://dennyboynton.com/image.axd?picture=WindowsLiveWriter/ThreeKeystoaSuccessfulCodeReview_F060/cliffsnotes_thumb.jpg

[Pugger]

?????????



That Peppers made the statement is not a rumor, that is fact. The question is if one is to believe Peppers. Why is Peppers any less credible than Favre? You have chosen not to believe Peppers, and to believe Favre's statements about holding no animosity. I chose to believe Peppers for several reasons:

1. Peppers has no apparent reason to have fabricated the story.2. Peppers statement about Favre is consistent with other things I have observed from and about Favre.
3. I have experienced what I believe is Favre being less than factual in statements in the past.

From that, my analysis leads me to believe that Peppers was probably accurate in relaying the conversation with Favre, even if it portrays an inconsistent picture with reputation-saving comments made by Favre shortly thereafter.

This is why I also believe Peppers.

[Scott Campbell]

http://dennyboynton.com/image.axd?picture=WindowsLiveWriter/ThreeKeystoaSuccessfulCodeReview_F060/cliffsnotes_thumb.jpg


In summary:

I can't quite hate on Ted the way I used to.
I can't quite love on Bert the way I used to.
If you forget everything I've been saying the last 5 years - I was right all along.


That's what I'm reading anyway.

[Scott Campbell]

"I'll lay this down before responding to some of the posts I just read. What is your analysis of this bit of NFL news. I havn't as yet checked for a reaction fr. any other rumor sites. I have too much else on my plate today to look into it. Frankly I'm again surprized that Favre would contimplate a return unless that prospect is about his love of competing in the game, and that with Carolina? That's a dubious choice of destination to say the least in my estimation" woodbuck27



I don't think ole Bert is employable in the NFL anymore. Maybe some CFL team in need of a freakshow to sell tickets would take him, but that's about it.

[MadScientist]

I don't think ole Bert is employable in the NFL anymore. Maybe some CFL team in need of a freakshow to sell tickets would take him, but that's about it.
Carolina is close enough to a CFL team, besides Bert has shown a liking for southern chicks.

Still Cincy might be a better fit, with their love of freak shows.

[woodbuck27]

?????????



That Peppers made the statement is not a rumor, that is fact. The question is if one is to believe Peppers. Why is Peppers any less credible than Favre? You have chosen not to believe Peppers, and to believe Favre's statements about holding no animosity. I chose to believe Peppers for several reasons:

1. Peppers has no apparent reason to have fabricated the story.
2. Peppers statement about Favre is consistent with other things I have observed from and about Favre.
3. I have experienced what I believe is Favre being less than factual in statements in the past.

From that, my analysis leads me to believe that Peppers was probably accurate in relaying the conversation with Favre, even if it portrays an inconsistent picture with reputation-saving comments made by Favre shortly thereafter.

I certainly understand your stance and why you arrived there.

I hold that Favre has gone on the record as well as saying he had no ill feelings RE: the Green Bay Packers and it's management.

The thing RE: J. Peppers if it's true and I respect your analysis that it is a fact that Favre made such comments to J. Peppers. Allowing that I maintain that would be then mere gamesmanship. That's common in Pro sports and IMO needs no overt fan reaction in terms related to any distain for 'the fact'. To allow for distane only supports ongoing distane for Brett Favre. IMO useless and small.

a) After the Packers won the NFC Championship he clearly came out predicting a Packer win in the Super Bowl. Rumor or not that has to weigh in for Favre not feeling animosity for the Green Bay Packers.

b) That plus the statements made in the NY Jets interview may count as two if we're being fair. I'll give you one for the J. Peppers remarks in the media even thoug that may be characterized as 'throwing Favre under a bus'.

(-: That's a 2-1 for Favre and 'no animosity for the Green Bay Packers'.

I'll add this. What happened to Randy Moss when he made favorable comments about Bill Belichick and his tenure as a NE Pat? He was shoved out of Minnesota pronto after that innoscent error that wasn't in terms of the powers in Minny.

and this.... Patler. Did you want or expect that Favre was going to say to J. Peppers that "I hope that Packers defeat the Bears?" You should never have been made aware of any such comments in the first place except for Peppers throwing Favre under the bus.

The comments about Favre and in terms of a personal conversation Favre had with J. Peppers. According to Peppers. Should hold little weight. Peppers was out of line going to the media with any content of a personal and private conversation he had with Brett Favre.

GO Packers !

[channtheman]

"I find your recent response to be extremely strange, based on your earlier statement." Patler

I'm not at all sure what response you refer to Patler. I will stick to the last question in my last post to you.

What is strange about claiming it might (might not) be abnormal for anyone to not wish anyone or any organization best wishes after departing that relationship for whatever reason? It's a personal choice. If the facts prove that Favre feels animosity for the Packer Organization that is simply of his free will. Animosities are sometimes carried fr. one generation to the next. As a bystander it's not my position of choice to judge the parties involved.

In this instance I am a mere fan. I observe all the bad feelings with only some amusement. It's not my place to choose sides. I'm a mere fan of the NFL and as a Packer fan try to detach myself from any of the 'he said-he said' malarky. So much of what we read on the Favre issues are merely media driven hype. I don't know nor really care what's published.

"I merely responded to your allegation that Favre was beyond his initial hurt feelings. " Patler

Favre clearly made that as a statement of fact in his recognition of the issue on his final games post interview as a NY Jet. He clearly said that he felt both sides had moved on. It was no longer an issue.

If Julius Peppers threw him under the bus with reports of Favre hoping that the Bears defeated the Packers. That is a mere rumour. It should not be held against Favre as anything more than an unsubstatiated claim by Julius Peppers. It is just rumor.

"Is it unusual that Favre feel negatively toward the Packers? I doubt it, and nearly said so in my initial response to you." Patler

So we agree here.

Your position that any such slam against Favre as to whether he told Peppers or not that 'he hoped the Bears would defeat the Packers' ... is moot.

It wouldn't be unusual for Favre to feel negative against the Packers. You agree that isn't an abnormal stance if that is 'the truth'.

"While I think his continued animosity is not necessarily unusual, I am not ready to say it is common." Patler

That's a debatable topic Patler that would lead nowhere. It so often comes down to a judgement based position by anyone allowing the matter to affect them over any parties concerned. To act emotional over matters that are beyond our reach of full understanding as we are mere fans and not inside the parties involved. I feel in the Favrew issue thathis claim that both sides made mistakes is most likely the case. I leave it there.

"I fear that Favre is still consumed by his anger. " Patler

Have you personally observed Favre's anger? If you havn't then how can you ever offer such a possibility?

" I see no other reason for him to encourage Peppers to beat GB as he did, when he did. I said at the time that it happened that it was a odd thought for him to have at that time. It was an odd subject for his conversational prioritization with Julius Peppers, on the last day they are likely to meet on the field as competitors. His desire to see the Packers fail was an unusually high priority three seasons after his departure from GB. "

No. If 'in fact' Favre wanted that or a Packer defeat by the Bears. That's only gamesnmanship. If any two teams are matched up it's not abnormal to choose one team over the other. Maybe Favre did support the Bears. That isn't reason to attack him as some suffering emotional incompetant. The Bears and Vikings are rivals of the Packers. Is it abnormal for any member of those teams to support the other in defeating 'the Pack'? I say hardly. I don't see that as abnormal rather normal.

What does three years after have to do with the price of tea in China? Favre played on a rival team last season.

" For some reason you remain emotionally hinged to Favre, to the point that you ignore many negative facts, no matter how blatant." Patler

No Patler. I am not...NOT...emotionally hinged to Brett Favre. That is me telling you 'the TRUTH'. I will always take the stance that Favre was a fine QB in the NFL. End of story.

Please. Don't interpret or impose an emotional tag on me when that tag is wrong. I do not feel emotionally attached to anyone that cannot raise such emotion in me for a valid reason. I have never met Brett Fvare. I likely never will meet Brett Favre. I certainly do not defend some of his past behaviours that hurt so many of his fans and certainly took his immediate and other family to task. I got right there after a lot of analysis and thinking.

Brettt Favre and what he does with his private life is no concern of mine. I supported Favre the football player and in that regard alone. Brett Fvare was a very solid QB in the NFL. I support his record as such overall and the rest of it is certainly beyond my scope to judge. He like me is human and errors.

" I have never understood how any fan can so emotionally attach themselves to an athlete that they put them on god-like pedestals, and continually ignore their negative sides. " Patler

1. I'm not emotionally attached to Brett Favre.

2. I have never placed Brett Favre on any God-like pedestal

3. I have moved on as a fan of the Packers ( Re: anytrhing Brett Favre) and it's my position that a lot more here at PackerRats should take the same stride. It's the emotional outbursts of those people that I feel paints them in a poor light. They are who they are and I am who I am and we co-exist here. One big happy family. (-:

4. Believe me and I am onn record as saying that I wasn't pleased with all the scandal that Brett Favre was faced with. I believe he ws guilty of some of the claims against him. He has and possibly will continue to pat whatever price. All that is beyond my realm of concern.

I supported and will support Brett Favre the NFL QB 'only', and it ends there.

Now Patler after all that. Have we really begun to debate the issue I raised in the previous post?

GO PACKERS!

Oh come on Woodbuck! Who's gonna read this whole post?

[woodbuck27]

Carolina is close enough to a CFL team, besides Bert has shown a liking for southern chicks.

Still Cincy might be a better fit, with their love of freak shows.

Brett Favre is finally retired. This media blip is much to do about nothing.

If Favre was going to return to the NFL he's smart enough to know he needs a solid OL. That was his greatest problem in Minny last season. His OL certainly didn't provide him the protection he required to make his reads. That plus his lack of weapons at WR went a long way towords his dramatical decline from the previous season in Minny.

GO Packers !

[woodbuck27]

Oh come on Woodbuck! Who's gonna read this whole post?

It wasn't directed to you. So just ignore it.

[Patler]

and this.... Patler. Did you want or expect that Favre was going to say to J. Peppers that "I hope that Packers defeat the Bears?" You should never have been made aware of any such comments in the first place except for Peppers throwing Favre under the bus.

I would have expected Favre to say nothing at all about the Packer/Bear game. Why should he? They spoke only briefly. I wouldn't have expected the subject to even come up. Comments like: "Good luck in the playoffs." "Good luck the rest of the year." would have made sense, but imploring him to beat the Packers specifically showed an importance to Favre that is inconsistent with his personal protestations of holding no animosity toward the Packers.



The comments about Favre and in terms of a personal conversation Favre had with J. Peppers. According to Peppers. Should hold little weight. Peppers was out of line going to the media with any content of a personal and private conversation he had with Brett Favre.

It was hardly a personal and private conversation when it was conducted in a mass of reporters in the middle of a football field. It was certainly not as private of a conversation as those between Packer officials and Favre that were conducted behind closed doors, and which Favre had no qualms about relaying to the press even when he was asked not to.



I could swear there was a video of the Peppers/Favre encounter in which you could barely make out what Favre said (especially after Peppers explained), but I have been unable to find it now. Anyone else remember seeing it back then?