Final Cuts

[HarveyWallbangers]

Roster after initial cuts:

QB Rodgers, Flynn, Brohm
RB Grant, Jackson, Morency, (Lumpkin)
FB Hall, Kuhn
WR Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin, Nelson
TE Lee, Humphrey, Finley
OL Clifton, Colledge, Wells, Spitz, Tauscher, Sitton, Barbre, Moll
DE Kampman, Jenkins, KGB, Montgomery, Hunter, Thompson
DT Pickett, Jolly, Cole, (Muir)
LB Barnett, Hawk, Poppinga, Chillar, Bishop, Hodge, White
CB Woodson, Harris, Williams, Lee, Blackmon, (Bush)
S Bigby, Collins, Rouse, (Peprah)
ST Crosby, Ryan, Jansen

I see the last two roster spots after the initial cuts coming down to DT Muir, RB Lumpkin, S Peprah (perhaps Culver), and perhaps DB Bush (mainly because of special teams). I'm guessing Muir makes the team, and Bush gets cut. Then, it comes down to Peprah vs. Lumpkin. Tough choice. Not sure who I'd take. Depends on whether the Pack thinks Lumpkin will get claimed. I'm going to guess Peprah.

Of course, if/when a better player becomes available from another team, those guys could be gone.

[Farley Face]

I agree Morency makes it. The Pack in prior years have been good about cutting vets with skills early if they don't think they will make the 53 so they can catch on with another club.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I didn't state this in this thread, but did in another. I think they'll keep 7 LBs after the initial cuts, and then try to trade one. Or, if they see a player they like (perhaps at DT), they'll cut one after the initial cuts. The Packers roster is always unbalanced right after the initial cuts.

Also, I should have said that rookie OL (not Sitton) also has a shot.

[Farley Face]

I didn't state this in this thread, but did in another. I think they'll keep 7 LBs after the initial cuts, and then try to trade one. Or, if they see a player they like (perhaps at DT), they'll cut one after the initial cuts. The Packers roster is always unbalanced right after the initial cuts.

Also, I should have said that rookie OL (not Sitton) also has a shot.

Follow my logic here, but I swear if Flynn was playing like Brohm he gets whacked and we bring in a Simms type as a backup and stick Brohm at #3. Brohm has been horrendous.

[Farley Face]

I didn't state this in this thread, but did in another. I think they'll keep 7 LBs after the initial cuts, and then try to trade one. Or, if they see a player they like (perhaps at DT), they'll cut one after the initial cuts. The Packers roster is always unbalanced right after the initial cuts.

Also, I should have said that rookie OL (not Sitton) also has a shot.

Follow my logic here, but I swear if Flynn was playing like Brohm he gets whacked and we bring in a Simms type as a backup and stick Brohm at #3. Brohm has been horrendous.

I didn't really complete my thought here. My point was his draft status as a #2 is saving him, not his performance.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Follow my logic here, but I swear if Flynn was playing like Brohm he gets whacked and we bring in a Simms type as a backup and stick Brohm at #3. Brohm has been horrendous.

Agreed.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I didn't state this in this thread, but did in another. I think they'll keep 7 LBs after the initial cuts, and then try to trade one. Or, if they see a player they like (perhaps at DT), they'll cut one after the initial cuts. The Packers roster is always unbalanced right after the initial cuts.

Also, I should have said that rookie OL (not Sitton) also has a shot.

Follow my logic here, but I swear if Flynn was playing like Brohm he gets whacked and we bring in a Simms type as a backup and stick Brohm at #3. Brohm has been horrendous.

Flynn is a different type of QB...more sandlot style..so able to ajdust easier.

Brohm is a system QB. Takes more time for him. Let's not forget how poor Arod looked his rookie year.

But, i do think Flynn has played himself off the practice squad...we can't afford to put him there for fear he will get signed by another team.

[esoxx]

I see Humphrey getting cut and the Packers picking up a more stout TE on the waiver wire.

[Farley Face]

I see Humphrey getting cut and the Packers picking up a more stout TE on the waiver wire.

Wouldn't shock me.

[Guiness]

Havner doesn't make it then?

[superfan]

This is encouraging compared to several years ago, when it seemed like there were many options for players to cut. Now there are some tough decisions to make.

[bobblehead]

Roster after initial cuts:

QB Rodgers, Flynn, Brohm
RB Grant, Jackson, Morency, (Lumpkin)
FB Hall, Kuhn
WR Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin, Nelson
TE Lee, Humphrey, Finley
OL Clifton, Colledge, Wells, Spitz, Tauscher, Sitton, Barbre, Moll
DE Kampman, Jenkins, KGB, Montgomery, Hunter, Thompson
DT Pickett, Jolly, Cole, (Muir)
LB Barnett, Hawk, Poppinga, Chillar, Bishop, Hodge, White
CB Woodson, Harris, Williams, Lee, Blackmon, (Bush)
S Bigby, Collins, Rouse, (Peprah)
ST Crosby, Ryan, Jansen

I see the last two roster spots after the initial cuts coming down to DT Muir, RB Lumpkin, S Peprah (perhaps Culver), and perhaps DB Bush (mainly because of special teams). I'm guessing Muir makes the team, and Bush gets cut. Then, it comes down to Peprah vs. Lumpkin. Tough choice. Not sure who I'd take. Depends on whether the Pack thinks Lumpkin will get claimed. I'm going to guess Peprah.

Of course, if/when a better player becomes available from another team, those guys could be gone.

My take is this. Peprah loses out to bush (special teams), Hodge or Bishop goes...I'm guessing hodge (special teams). Muir stays for sure. I think KGB or Montgomery goes depending on coaches opinion (health vs. potential) I also think if it was strictly on peformance Bjack would be out. I agree the roster will be mismatched coming out. Its a good thing when we gotta cut guys we really like....my only gripe is when they get cut for a guy they outplayed but due to draft status they lose out.

[esoxx]

I think Bishop and Hodge both stick. Bishop showed he could play well at WLB tonight and with Hawk's injury they'll likely need him. Hodge takes over at back up at MLB.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I also think if it was strictly on peformance Bjack would be out.

Jackson didn't play poorly this preseason. Who has really outperformed him--other than Lumpkin maybe?

[bobblehead]

I also think if it was strictly on peformance Bjack would be out.

Jackson didn't play poorly this preseason. Who has really outperformed him--other than Lumpkin maybe?

Morency, imo, lumpkin, and grant is the returning starter, that would leave BJack cut if he were say...a walk on, not a 2nd.

[Deputy Nutz]

I could honestly see Chillar getting cut. I think there is more upside with Hodge and certainly Bishop.

[CaliforniaCheez]

22 have to be cut. Here are my 22 with possible practice squad guys marked with asterisks.

1) Tai Smith WR
2) Johnny Quinn WR
3) Ryan Keenan OG
4) Orrin Thompson OT**
5) Breno Giacomini OT **
6) Brennan Carvalho C
7) Joey Haynos TE**
8) Jake Allen WR
9) Noah Herron RB
10) Greg Lumpkin RB**
11) Corey White FB**
12) Conrad Bolston DT
13) Rodney Allen DT
14) Alfred Malone DT
15) Spencer Havner LB
16) Danny Lansanah LB
17) Joe Porter CB **
18) Scorpio Babers CB
19) Tyrone Culver S
20) Jarret Bush S
21) Brett Swain WR **
22) Junius Coston IR??

[HarveyWallbangers]

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080828/PKR07/80828160/1058/PKR01

Quarterbacks (3): Aaron Rodgers, Matt Flynn, Brian Brohm

Receivers (5): Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Ruvell Martin, Jordy Nelson

Running backs (5): Ryan Grant, Brandon Jackson, Vernand Morency, Noah Herron, Korey Hall

Tight ends (3): Donald Lee, Tory Humphrey, Jermichael Finley

Offensive linemen (9): Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Jason Spitz, Mark Tauscher, Josh Sitton, Allen Barbre, Tony Moll, Breno Giacomini

Defensive linemen (10): Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Jason Hunter, Michael Montgomery, Jeremy Thompson, Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly, Colin Cole, Daniel Muir

Linebackers (6): Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brady Poppinga, Brandon Chillar, Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop

Defensive backs (9): Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Tramon Williams, Will Blackmon, Jarrett Bush, Pat Lee, Nick Collins, Atari Bigby, Aaron Rouse

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Jon Ryan, J.J. Jansen (or Rob Davis)

[Joemailman]

I didn't state this in this thread, but did in another. I think they'll keep 7 LBs after the initial cuts, and then try to trade one. Or, if they see a player they like (perhaps at DT), they'll cut one after the initial cuts. The Packers roster is always unbalanced right after the initial cuts.

Also, I should have said that rookie OL (not Sitton) also has a shot.

Yes, either Giacomini or Coston have to make it. With Sitton hurt and Wells in and out of the lineup, I don't think they can go into the regular season with only 8 OL.

[texaspackerbacker]

I sincerely HOPE they don't keep Morency over Lumpkin.

And they damn well better not bring in a "Simms-like veteran" at the expense of losing either Brohm or Flynn.

I think one of the LBs on that list has to go--Chillar or White, probably Chillar. Give Hodge some credit for really turning things around this preseason.

[boiga]

I think Bishop and Hodge both stick. Bishop showed he could play well at WLB tonight and with Hawk's injury they'll likely need him. Hodge takes over at back up at MLB.

I disagree only in that we might trade one of them to a team for a young 2nd string Defensive Tackle. We have more quality LB'ers than we can use out on the field, so the most efficacious use of that talent would in the trade market.

Both of those guys deserve a spot on the roster, but they might be worth more to someone else than they are to us.

[Fritz]

Ironically, "Orange" Junius may have extended his career by getting hurt. If he goes on IR, he gets one more chance next summer. But he definitely loks like "just a guy."

Giacomoni looks like practice squad material. Moll's going to make it. Sitton, too.

I think they keep all seven lb's.

I think the rb's will be Grant, Jackson, and Morency.

I think Bush may make it due to ST play and versatility. Culver and Peprah may well be gone.

Flynn looks like your number two.

The defensive line is a mess. And for all the "Why did TT trade Corey Williams" people, Williams has been injured most of training camp.

[prsnfoto]

This is encouraging compared to several years ago, when it seemed like there were many options for players to cut. Now there are some tough decisions to make.


Agreed but it also says to me that TT should trade up a couple times next year and go for more impact players several of "our" guys are going to make our opponents better after cuts are made the LB's really look like the backups could start on a lot of teams. Oh well I guess it is a good problem to have.

[RashanGary]

3 Rodgers Flynn Brohm
5 Grant Jackson Herron Lumpkin Hall
5 Driver Jennings Jones Martin Nelson
3 Lee, Humphry, Finley
8 Clifton Colledge Spitz Sitton Tauscher Wells, Barbre, Moll
10 Kampman, Jenkins, KGB, Hunter, Montgomery, Thompson Pickett, Jolly, Cole, Muir
7 Barnett, Hawk, Poppinga, Bishop, Chillar, Hodge, White
9 Woodson Harris, Williams, Lee, Blackmon, Bush Bigby, Collins, Rouse
3 Crosby, Ryan, ??


Maybe Peprah over Bush and Kuhn over Herron or Lumpkin, but this is the general roster that I see.

EDIT: I took Giacomini off becuase I had 54, not 53.

[pbmax]

Does anyone think Chillar will be more likely to stay given that Hawk is injured? I think his coverage skills will keep him on the roster if Hawk still needs time to mend.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Some interesting stuff.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=789076

McGinn likes Quinn, Haynos, Giacomini for practice squad, and perhaps Lansanah also.


The Packers took a hit Thursday when Junius Coston suffered what appeared to be a significant knee injury when defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth fell on him. NFL sources said the Packers told teams early in the week that Coston was available, and one personnel director said it was quite possible Green Bay could have gotten a conditional seventh-round pick for such an athletic guard with seven starts under his belt.

But those chances are gone now.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Revised guess:

QB Rodgers, Flynn, Brohm
RB Grant, Jackson, Morency, Lumpkin
FB Hall
WR Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin, Nelson
TE Lee, Humphrey, Finley
OL Clifton, Colledge, Wells, Spitz, Tauscher, Sitton, Barbre, Moll
DE Kampman, Jenkins, KGB, Montgomery, Hunter, Thompson
DT Pickett, Jolly, Cole, Muir
LB Barnett, Hawk, Poppinga, Chillar, Bishop, Hodge, White
CB Woodson, Harris, Williams, Lee, Blackmon
S Bigby, Collins, Rouse, Bush
ST Crosby, Ryan, Jansen

Personally, I like Peprah more than Bush, so I wouldn't mind if they kept him. The Lumpkin, Morency, Herron, Kuhn should be the other interesting battle. I say they keep Morency as a veteran third down RB type, and then decide to take a chance on Lumpkin over Kuhn--mainly because I think Humphrey could play FB in a pinch. FBs are easy to find on the waiver wire. I like Kuhn a bit though. The final battle probably comes down to White vs. a 9th OL. I say they keep White because he's a better player, but his spot is precarious because an OL prospect may become available after cuts.

[bobblehead]

This is encouraging compared to several years ago, when it seemed like there were many options for players to cut. Now there are some tough decisions to make.


Agreed but it also says to me that TT should trade up a couple times next year and go for more impact players several of "our" guys are going to make our opponents better after cuts are made the LB's really look like the backups could start on a lot of teams. Oh well I guess it is a good problem to have.

It just doesn't work that way in the NFL, for every trade up that worked I can show you 5 that didn't. The NFL draft is a crap shoot and accumulating 3 seconds gives you a better chance of getting a stud than trading up 8 spots in the draft. guys like TO, Gore, Kampman, JAllen, Jennings, FAVRE, were all picked after the first round. The list could go on and on, but you get the point.

[vince]

My stab (at least what I'd like to see):

QB Rodgers, Flynn, Brohm
RB Grant, Jackson, Herron, Lumpkin
FB Hall, Kuhn
WR Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin, Nelson
TE Lee, Humphrey
OL Clifton, Colledge, Wells, Spitz, Tauscher, Sitton, Barbre, Moll
DE Kampman, Jenkins, KGB, Montgomery, Hunter, Thompson
DT Pickett, Jolly, Cole, Muir
LB Barnett, Hawk, Poppinga, Chillar, Bishop, Hodge, White
CB Woodson, Harris, Williams, Lee, Blackmon
S Bigby, Collins, Rouse, Peprah
ST Crosby, Ryan, Jansen

Practice Squad: Finley, Giacomini, Jake Allen, Porter, Haynos, Malone, Lansanah, Someone cut from another roster

Finley might be tough to stash on the PS, so I might even be tempted to dump Humphreys altogether. Haynos has shown enough and has the size to be an interesting prospect. Havner could also land on the PS, but there are only so many LB's that you can have... Havner could replace Lansanah because of the overload at MLB...

I'm thinking that McCarthy likes his reverse wishbone set too much to keep just one FB, and both FB's are also good special teamers.

[RashanGary]

I think Finely is almost a developmental lock. He's a trim 250 lbs and could easily be a ripped 260 and still run. He's a somewhat rare athlete with how he carries weight and moves. When this guy develops he has a chance to be a dynamic weapon on offense. Through all of camp and preseason I don't remember hearing about him dropping the ball. He's got two things going for him, his body and his hands. Those are two important things for a TE.

I don't know how he's fitting in with the team, but if he's getting along well and workign hard I see no reason to cut him. I'd rather cut a guy like Herron, who is a luxury as a 3rd down pass blocker but not a very promising long term running back.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I think Finely is almost a developmental lock. He's a trim 250 lbs and could easily be a ripped 260 and still run. He's a somewhat rare athlete with how he carries weight and moves. When this guy develops he has a chance to be a dynamic weapon on offense. Through all of camp and preseason I don't remember hearing about him dropping the ball. He's got two things going for him, his body and his hands. Those are two important things for a TE.

I don't know how he's fitting in with the team, but if he's getting along well and workign hard I see no reason to cut him. I'd rather cut a guy like Herron, who is a luxury as a 3rd down pass blocker but not a very promising long term running back.

Agreed. I got the feeling they were showcasing Heron a bit against TN as possible trade bait.

[vince]

I think Finely is almost a developmental lock. He's a trim 250 lbs and could easily be a ripped 260 and still run. He's a somewhat rare athlete with how he carries weight and moves. When this guy develops he has a chance to be a dynamic weapon on offense. Through all of camp and preseason I don't remember hearing about him dropping the ball. He's got two things going for him, his body and his hands. Those are two important things for a TE.

I don't know how he's fitting in with the team, but if he's getting along well and workign hard I see no reason to cut him. I'd rather cut a guy like Herron, who is a luxury as a 3rd down pass blocker but not a very promising long term running back.
I agree. He's either on the 53 or PS at minimum. When I said he might be tough to stash on the PS, I meant that he'd could easily be claimed by someone else if that happens. Practice squad for Finley with Humphries on the 53 man would be best, but I'd rather cut Humphries outright than lose Finley.

Question: Does a team have the option to promote a PS player to the 53-man if another team files a claim on that player?

[RashanGary]

Question: Does a team have the option to promote a PS player to the 53-man if another team files a claim on that player?

Typically it doesn't happen that way from what I understand. If an agent gets a call to be moved up, they seem to just take it. I think it's because the team asking to sign them is showing much more confidence and respect to the player than the team that is trying to hide him on the practice squad.

[HarveyWallbangers]

I agree. He's either on the 53 or PS at minimum.

I think what Harrell was saying is that there's little chance he'd not get claimed by another team, and I agree with him.

[vince]

I agree. He's either on the 53 or PS at minimum.

I think what Harrell was saying is that there's little chance he'd not get claimed by another team, and I agree with him.
Right. That's what I was saying too. Ideally, he'd be on the PS, but he'll likely be tough to stash there. I think he can be made more ready to play on Sundays as the season progresses. In that case, I'd be tempted to cut Humphreys, although two of Herron/Lumpkin/Morency could alternatively be gone.

Lumpkin may be a more reasonable PS candidate although I like his running style as a complement to the others on the team more than both Herron and Morency.

[Gunakor]

3 Rodgers Flynn Brohm
5 Grant Jackson Herron Lumpkin Hall
5 Driver Jennings Jones Martin Nelson
3 Lee, Humphry, Finley
8 Clifton Colledge Spitz Sitton Tauscher Wells, Barbre, Moll
10 Kampman, Jenkins, KGB, Hunter, Montgomery, Thompson Pickett, Jolly, Cole, Muir
7 Barnett, Hawk, Poppinga, Bishop, Chillar, Hodge, White
9 Woodson Harris, Williams, Lee, Blackmon, Bush Bigby, Collins, Rouse
3 Crosby, Ryan, ??


Maybe Peprah over Bush and Kuhn over Herron or Lumpkin, but this is the general roster that I see.

EDIT: I took Giacomini off becuase I had 54, not 53.

I think they'll hold on to more than 8 OL due to injury. Sitton isn't even going to be available for several weeks, which leaves only 2 backups available until Sitton is healthy again if they only keep 8. Wells is just getting healthy again too, and if he can't go then we are down to only one backup. I don't see anyone on our roster behind those 8 who are versatile enough to play more than one OL position even as a backup, so I think they might try to pick up a 9th off the waiver wire or via trade. But given the health of the line at the moment, I don't see how they could go into the season with only 8. It's a huge risk.

[motife]

Only 2 and 1/2 hours until the deadline.

Green Bay can look at DE as well as DT in a trade as Cullen Jenkins could move inside. Jenkins is not as stout as you'd like against the run inside, according to Bob McGinn anyway.

Disappointly, Jenkins is nothing like the player we saw early last year when he was practically unblockable.

[DonHutson]

My final roster:

QB - Rodgers, Brohm, Flynn

HB - Grant, Jackson, Morency, Lumpkin

FB - Hall

TE - Lee, Finley, ??? (a TE off waivers that can also play FB, or Humphrey)

OL - Clifton, Tauscher, Wells, Colledge, Spitz, Barbre, Sitton, Moll, Giacomini

WR - Driver, Jennings, Jones, Martin, Nelson

DL - Kampman, KGB, Jenkins, Montgomery, Hunter, Thompson, Pickett, Jolly, Cole

LB - Barnett, Hawk, Poppinga, Chillar, Bishop, White, Hodge

CB - Harris, Woodson, Williams, Blackmon, Lee

S - Collins, Bigby, Rouse, Bush

ST - Crosby, Ryan, ??? (Jansen or someone else depending on injury)

I see Lumpkin, Morency, Kuhn, Muir and the other backup DT's fighting for the last two spots. Morency is the best player right now. Lumpkin has the most potential. Unless they really feel shorthanded at DT, they keep the two RB's.

[Zool]

QB Ingle Martin cut today by the Flaming Thumbtacks.