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RashanGary
08-29-2008, 07:20 PM
Vikings

DL - Elite, better than a year ago
LB's - Very good. Equal to a year ago
DB's - Average. Equal to a year ago.

All in all, the Vikings defense is all about the front four and this is an elite group. They should be right up there with the best defenses in the NFL in 2008.



OL - Very good again. Equal to last year, but maybe not as strong without McKinney in game 1. IF the Vinking don't get in 3rd and managable situations their QB could be killed without a good LT. This is an important matchup in game 1.

RB's - Elite

WR's/TE's - Average

QB - Below average

I think their offense is going to be slightly better than a year ago. Their elite defense makes them look better than they are and they certainly can run the ball. It's going to be a physical game as I don't see the Vikings trying to toss the ball around Lambeau.


ST's - My impression of the Vikings ST's over the years was that they are average to good. They're starting to trade away draft picks, ala - Mike Sherman so maybe they start experiencing depth/ST's problems this year.



Packers


DL - Average. Pickett and KGB are two specialists that make the unit stronger, but they are going to be about equal to last years team without Jolly (comparable to being without Williams). Last year when they lost JOlly they were average. This year without Williams I think they'll be average.

LB's - Very good. Barnett is said to be studying more film and ready to take his game to a new level. Poppinga has been impressively physical this preseason and Hawk is at a point in his career that improvement should be expected again. This unit should be a little better than a year ago and definitly deeper with Chillar and Bishop's monster sophmore improvements.

DB's - Very good. Woodson is a stud in my opinion and looks to be a great shape. Harris is still very good and Tramon Williams is showing signs of being a starting caliber player. After the 3rd CB, there is a big drop off.

All in all I expect the DL to be a little worse and the LB's to be a little better. They have been together for another year so maybe they can play equal to last year even without the extra DT.


OL - Clifton and Tauscher should have at least one more year of good play. The interior line was tossed around and played out of position all offseason, but with the regular season approaching they're getting back to their best positions and look to be hitting their stride. I see them being equal to last year with slightly worse OT play and slightly better OG play. If injuries happen maybe all of that mixing and matching pays off.

RB - Grant seems legit and Brandon Jackson has taken big leaps. Between the two of them the Packers can pound the ball and not have to worry about wearing out just one set of legs. I see them as better than a year ago with exerience for Grant and Jackson and physical improvement from Jackson. I also expect Herron to make the team and I think he could be a very underrated piece to Aaron Rodgers third down packages with his smart, consistant, always dependable play in pass protection.

WR's and TE's - This group is elite. Driver, Jennings, James Jones, Donald Lee, Ruvell Martin, Jordy Nelson, Humphry and Finley are all talented with the ball in their hands. They can mix and match packages and take advantage of just about any weakness on a defense. McCarthy is a creative, aggressive offensive coach who's not affraid to put his foot on the oppositions throat and will not hold back on each weeks mismatches. With so much pass catchign talent opposing secondarys and LB's are going to be terrorized all year long.

QB - I know the Favre lovers believe there is no way a first year QB can play close to the greatest ever but I don't think Favre was the greatest ever and I do think Rodgers can play at a similar level. I'm calling my shot, Rodgers to the probowl in 08. The lesson, QB's look good with talent and the Packers have had some talented teams for the last 15 years.

I give the ST's edge to the packers. Crosby has been nailing kicks at an alarming rate and his leg is obviously more than strong enough. With the exception of one or two bad punts Jon Ryan looks to have increased his hang time and consistancy. Blackmon looks healthy and ready to roll. Barbre, Bishop, Brandon Jackson, James JOnes, Nick Collins, Tramon Williams, Jarrett Bush, Jason Hunter, Tracy White and company are all impressive physical specimens that can blow up blockers and beat down tacklers. I think this can be one of the leagues best ST's units, maybe the best if Blackmon can excell at returns.




At the end of the day I think these are two very equal teams. The Vikings have a better defense and run game. The Packers have better ST's and pass game. The hate level for the Vikings/Packer rivalry is about to be amped up another notch because these two teams are going to fight tooth and nail for the division and both are very physical. I think the Vikings will set the tone with defense and the run game and teh Packers with beat you down ST's. This should be a great, physical game wtih little fights breaking out on ST's and from time to time on offense and defense. When the game is over I expect more bad blood than before it's kicked off. This is a great way to start the season. Go Pack Go.

pack4to84
08-29-2008, 07:26 PM
very well put JustinHarrell. I am on the Rodgers bandwagon. I predict 28 TD for him this season.

Tony Oday
08-29-2008, 07:42 PM
The thing that will win this game for both sides is preasure on the QB. I think with Pickett and Hawk back we can stop the run however we will be locked one on one with the WR and that means we have to put preasure on Jump Pass.

AR needs to have time to throw the ball and start up the running game that way on the edges. Grant must run well on sweeps and off tackle plays because dive right and dive left will be tough plays.

BZnDallas
08-29-2008, 07:54 PM
i don't mean to sound too negative justinharrell, but how can you talk about the GB DL and not mention Kampman... and then call them average?... i guess IMO i would rate them a lil above average, definately not good or great but when you have the (what?) 2nd most sacks player in the league i think... thats gotta stand for something more than average... just a thought... other than that i thought it was a pretty decent generalization of the packers this year... certainly room for improvement!!!

esoxx
08-29-2008, 08:12 PM
Vikings have more blue chip players and Packers have more depth.

Not my ideal opponent for opening night. Would rather see them a bit later when depth becomes more of an issue.

RashanGary
08-29-2008, 08:32 PM
Vikings have more blue chip players and Packers have more depth.

Not my ideal opponent for opening night. Would rather see them a bit later when depth becomes more of an issue.

True. It'll be nice to have Clifton 100% in this one though.

HarveyWallbangers
08-29-2008, 08:45 PM
WR's/TE's - Average

Still below average, IMHO. Berrian isn't a #1 caliber receiver. Rice is intriguing, but hasn't shown that he'll be a good starter. Shiancoe isn't very good.

RashanGary
08-29-2008, 08:56 PM
I'd be interested to hear a summary of the Vikings by you, Harv. I recorded and watched the Vikings 3rd preseason game a couple times. I thought they looked great on the DL but otherwise unspectacular across the board. Peterson didn't stand out, but I know he's great and I know he'll make that offense at least respectable as long as he's healthy.

Their QB play was atrocious. Ferrot looked every bit as bad as what's-his-name a year ago. They better hope Tavaris is a lot better than a year ago or it could be another year of the defense playing out of it's mind only to get ripped off because of their awfull QB.

I'll also be curious to see the Vikings ST's over the next couple years. Noodle leg Longwell combined with trading away picks and depth could start to creep into their ST's productivity.

HarveyWallbangers
08-29-2008, 09:13 PM
Tons of high-end talent. Starting to get a lot of character guys on their team. If Jackson improves dramatically, they will be a contender in the NFC. I don't like their depth. I think Childress is a weak link. I also think they tend to get too high on themselves. Instead of talking so much about how great they are going to be, they should work hard and keep their mouths shut. I think they'll be right there with the Packers, but proof is in the pudding. I've seen a lot of Viking teams hyped like this, and they usually disappoint compared to projections.

RashanGary
08-29-2008, 09:40 PM
This is their year. They still have fat Pat on defense and Birk on offense. Peterson is an ultra talented RB. They added Allen and aren't getting ultra old at any key positions although they are depending on a couple guys near the end of their prime. It could come crashing down with a couple key injuries. They remind me a little of the Packers leading up to their collapse with the FA spending and draft pick trading.

Your observation on their depth is interesting. The Packers have a brutal first 12 games but a pretty mild last month. If the Packers can stay in the race early the Vikings could end up having another epic colapse with poor play as injuries mount and a Packer team taht should finish strong. That would be great to see them all filled with air just to get deflated yet again :)

RashanGary
08-30-2008, 09:11 AM
9 more days :cry:


I expect Rodgers and the recievers to have a monster opening day. There is no way to run on this team and Clifton is a great pass rush neutralizer so the protection has a chance to hold up.

If the Packers win, I think they are going to come out firing in the first half, making it hard for the Vikings to run in the 2nd half. If the game stays close, and the passing game does not take off, I think that plays into the Vikings hands as they will be able to patiently run and wear down our not so stout defense.

Fritz
08-30-2008, 09:11 AM
I think, given the Packers' o-line struggles so far this summer, the Vikings are going to win this first one.

RashanGary
08-30-2008, 09:17 AM
I think, given the Packers' o-line struggles so far this summer, the Vikings are going to win this first one.

I think the Oline struggles was more a situation where they had too many guys playing out of position and they threw a rookie into the fire right away rather than going with the safer option. They used the preseason to get ready for injuries not make a statement.

As the preseason wound down, they put guys back in thier best positions and the OL started to play like they played last year.

I know Minny has a great Dline (esspecially against the run). They only have two real pass rush weapson in Allen and K Williams. With Clifton playing LT, we should be able to double Williams inside and chip Allen on the edge forcing their less able pass rushers to win one on one matchups against Tauscher and Spitz.

If we come out and try to pund the ball I think the Vikings have the advantage. Allen is obviously a good weapon for their pass defense, but I think, with the guy we have at LT, it's neutralized a lot.

I think the recipe for beating the Vikings is an elite pass game and a top tier pass blocking LT. We match up well. I also think our ST's is going to shock a lot of people. Great ST's is game changing in field position, forced fumbles and returns for TD's. I think ours is going to be great in all areas.

vince
08-30-2008, 09:35 AM
Tons of high-end talent. Starting to get a lot of character guys on their team. If Jackson improves dramatically, they will be a contender in the NFC. I don't like their depth. I think Childress is a weak link. I also think they tend to get too high on themselves. Instead of talking so much about how great they are going to be, they should work hard and keep their mouths shut. I think they'll be right there with the Packers, but proof is in the pudding. I've seen a lot of Viking teams hyped like this, and they usually disappoint compared to projections.Head coach and QB are 2 pretty important weak links.

We were able to dominate the Vikings at home last year by running wide, abusing Cedric Griffin, and shutting down Peterson. The Vikes had Brooks Bollinger at QB, who was ineffective. They were unable to convert a 3rd or 4th down the entire game.

I think the isolation and abuse of Griffin will be in order once again. Slowing the running game will be important for the Pack.

RashanGary
08-30-2008, 09:43 AM
Slowing the running game will be important for the Pack.

This is scary for me. I think our offense can pass all over their defense, but I also think they might be able to run the ball at will. If that happens it might come down to ST's. I do think we have the advantage, but our ST's and passing game are key IMO.

RashanGary
08-30-2008, 09:48 AM
If we slow the run, kill them with the passing game and play good ST's it will be a blow out like last year. I dont't hink that's going to happen. I have more confidence in our pass game lighting them up and our ST's shutting them down than I do slowing AP in week 1 when he's healthy and they will use him over and over and over to prove a point to their hated NFCN rival.

jmbarnes101
08-30-2008, 10:31 AM
Quality analysis everyone.

However, I haven't seen anything on this during this thread. We do know that the Vikings are without three key guys for this game.

Mount McKinnie is out from the recently announced suspension. This should make it easier to not only rush the passer but help slow down the running game.

Maddieu Williams is out for the first two games. They were counting on him to match up with players like James Jones and help contain the spread offenses that have worked well against them. This will certainly help not only the passing game but also the running game.

The 3rd player is their special teams ace and MVP. I can't remember his name but he tore an ACL during the first preseason game and will be out all year. While not something you'd see on TV, this will be a blow to their team. Everyone in Winter Park was in the dumps after this happened.

They've lost an important piece of each part of the triangle and I think that bodes well for our green and gold team as long as Hawk, Pickett, and Grant are able to play.

Charles Woodson
08-30-2008, 11:02 AM
isnt kevin williams suspended for the first game?

HarveyWallbangers
08-30-2008, 11:03 AM
isnt kevin williams suspended for the first game?

No, and we have our own injuries to worry about.

Fred's Slacks
08-30-2008, 02:00 PM
The 3rd player is their special teams ace and MVP. I can't remember his name but he tore an ACL during the first preseason game and will be out all year.

I believe his name is Heath Farwell. That was a big blow to their ST and LB depth.

RashanGary
08-31-2008, 10:40 PM
I've been pimping the ST's all year, but I'm really looking forward to that being the difference in the game.


If the Packers win I think we're going to be talking about two things:

1. Aaron Rodgers and his many dynamic weapons putting on an absolute show

2. Beat you down ST's



If the Packers lose I think we're going to be talking about 2 things:

1. Our inablity to stop the run

2. Our inability to run

Harlan Huckleby
08-31-2008, 10:47 PM
i don't like it that the packers & vikes open the season with such a critical game. I'd rather play division games a little later in the season when the teams have settled down and the games are more indicative of team strength.

RashanGary
08-31-2008, 10:50 PM
i don't like it that the packers & vikes open the season with such a critical game. I'd rather play division games a little later in the season when the teams have settled down and the games are more indicative of team strength.

Hell no. I love it. The Vikings are going to come out pissed off and ready to rumble. They're strong in the middle of that defense and on that line, but the Packers have a whole bunch of physical kids that want nothing more than to play the hard nosed football they've been playing their whole lives on the biggest stage. This is a great game. I'm as excited about this opener as I've ever been.

gex
08-31-2008, 11:25 PM
Packers 13- Queens 17 :cry: