Packers Announce Cuts

[vince]

Packers Release 19 Players, Place Three On Injured Reserve
The Green Bay Packers released 19 players and placed three on injured reserve. Ted Thompson, Executive Vice President, General Manager and Director of Football Operations, announced the transactions Saturday.

Released Saturday were wide receiver Jake Allen, cornerback Scorpio Babers, defensive tackle Conrad Bolston, center Brennen Carvalho, safety Tyrone Culver, linebacker Spencer Havner, tight end Joey Haynos, running back Noah Herron, guard Ryan Keenan, linebacker Danny Lansanah, defensive tackle Alfred Malone, running back Vernand Morency, defensive tackle Daniel Muir, cornerback Joe Porter, wide receiver Johnny Quinn, wide receiver Taj Smith, wide receiver Brett Swain, tackle Orrin Thompson and fullback Corey White.

Defensive tackle Rodney Allen, center Junius Coston and long snapper J.J. Jansen were placed on injured reserve.

[gbpackfan]

Seems like we lost a lot of DTs. Do we have enough with the injury situation?

[pack4to84]

Lumpkin made it

[pack4to84]

Daniel Muir shocker here with line depth

[BF4MVP]

Lumpkin made it
Good for him, I was hoping he would 8-)

[Farley Face]

Daniel Muir shocker here with line depth

I thought he would stick. 3 DTs currently, a deal must be in the works. Assume Peprah will be the one to go if so.

[boiga]

Seems like we lost a lot of DTs. Do we have enough with the injury situation? They have to be planning on picking someone up off waivers or maybe trading one of our LB's.

[gbpackfan]

Well, more cuts have to be coming. Right now, the Packers only have 3 DTs. Unless they decide to risk it and use Jenkins inside a lot. We also don't have a long snapper.

Who else is going to get cut? A LB maybe? We have 7 right now.

[Charles Woodson]

Lumpkin made it
Good for him, I was hoping he would 8-)
Yea me too, i was really pulling for him

[Lurker64]

http://www.geocities.com/televisioncity/set/3995/icons/sfuzzy.gif

Hooray!

I'm also glad to see Hodge made it.

[Brohm]

Still keeping 2FB...if only we ran the ball more :P

[pack4to84]

Quarterbacks (3): Aaron Rodgers, Brian Brohm, Matt Flynn

Running backs (5): Ryan Grant, Bradon Jackson, Lumpkin, Korey Hall, John Kuhn

Wide receiver (5): Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Ruvell Martin, Jordy Nelson

Tight end (3): Donald Lee, Jermichael Finley, Humphreys

Offensive line (9): Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Jason Spitz, Mark Tauscher, Tony Moll, Josh Sitton, Allen Barbre, Breno Giacomini

Defensive line (8): Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Michael Montgomery, Jason Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly, Colin Cole

Linebackers (7): Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brady Poppinga, Bradon Chillar, Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop, Tracy White

Defensive backs (10): Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Atari Bigby, Nick Collins, Aaron Rouse, Tramon Williams, Will Blackmon, Patrick Lee, Charlie Peprah, Bush

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Jon Ryan,

[Farley Face]

We sign a long snapper, Peprah goes. We sign a DT, Giacomini, T. White, or Kuhn goes.

[boiga]

Hooray!

I'm also glad to see Hodge made it.

Don't get your hopes too high. I can't imagine starting next game with both Bishop and Hodge on the roster. It'd be a waste of talent to not trade one of them to team that would give them some playing time.

[Joemailman]

Here's the roster as it stands now:

Active Roster
No. Name Pos. Ht Wt Age Exp. College Acquired
2 Mason Crosby K 6-1 207 23 2 Colorado D6c-07
9 Jon Ryan P 6-0 222 26 3 University of Regina (Canada) FA-06
10 Matt Flynn QB 6-2 222 23 R Louisiana State D7a-08
11 Brian Brohm QB 6-3 223 22 R Louisville D2b-08
12 Aaron Rodgers QB 6-2 220 24 4 California D1-05
20 Atari Bigby S 5-11 213 26 3 Central Florida FA-05
21 Charles Woodson CB 6-1 202 31 11 Michigan UFA-06 (Oak.)
22 Pat Lee CB 6-0 194 24 R Auburn D2c-08
24 Jarrett Bush CB/S 6-0 200 24 3 Utah State W-06 (Car)
25 Ryan Grant RB 6-1 226 25 2 Notre Dame T-07 (NYG)
26 Charlie Peprah S 5-11 203 25 3 Alabama W-06 (NYG)
27 Will Blackmon CB 6-0 206 23 3 Boston College D4b-06
28 Kregg Lumpkin RB 5-11 228 24 R Georgia FA-08
30 John Kuhn FB 6-0 259 25 3 Shippensburg W-07 (Pit)
31 Al Harris CB 6-1 190 33 11 Texas A&M-Kingsville T-03 (Phil)
32 Brandon Jackson RB 5-10 220 22 2 Nebraska D2-07
35 Korey Hall FB 6-0 243 25 2 Boise State D6a-07
36 Nick Collins S 5-11 207 25 4 Bethune-Cookman D2a-05
37 Aaron Rouse S 6-4 223 24 2 Virginia Tech D3b-07
38 Tramon Williams CB 5-11 191 25 2 Louisiana Tech FA-06
50 A.J. Hawk LB 6-1 248 24 3 Ohio State D1-06
51 Brady Poppinga LB 6-3 247 28 4 Brigham Young D4b-05
52 Abdul Hodge LB 6-0 236 25 3 Iowa D3a-06
54 Brandon Chillar LB 6-3 243 25 5 UCLA UFA-08 (StL)
55 Desmond Bishop LB 6-2 238 24 2 California D6b-07
56 Nick Barnett LB 6-2 236 27 6 Oregon State D1-03
57 Jason Hunter DE 6-4 271 25 3 Appalachian State FA-06
59 Tracy White LB 6-0 238 27 6 Howard FA-06
63 Scott Wells C 6-2 303 27 5 Tennessee FA-04 (D7-04)
65 Mark Tauscher T 6-3 316 31 9 Wisconsin D7a-00
68 Breno Giacomini T 6-7 311 22 R Louisville D5-08
71 Josh Sitton G 6-3 317 22 R Central Florida D4b-08
72 Jason Spitz G/C 6-3 302 25 3 Louisville D3b-06
73 Daryn Colledge G 6-4 308 26 3 Boise State D2a-06
74 Aaron Kampman DE 6-4 265 28 7 Iowa D5a-02
75 Tony Moll G/T 6-5 306 25 3 Nevada D5b-06
76 Chad Clifton T 6-5 320 32 9 Tennessee D2-00
77 Cullen Jenkins DE 6-2 305 27 5 Central Michigan FA-04
78 Allen Barbre G 6-4 305 24 2 Missouri Southern State D4-07
79 Ryan Pickett DT 6-2 330 28 8 Ohio State UFA-06 (StL)
80 Donald Driver WR 6-0 194 33 10 Alcorn State D7b-99
82 Ruvell Martin WR 6-4 220 26 3 Saginaw Valley State FA-06
84 Tory Humphrey TE 6-2 255 25 3 Central Michigan FA-05
85 Greg Jennings WR 5-11 198 24 3 Western Michigan D2b-06
86 Donald Lee TE 6-4 248 27 6 Mississippi State FA-05
87 Jordy Nelson WR 6-3 217 23 R Kansas State D2a-08
88 Jermichael Finley TE 6-5 247 21 R Texas D3-08
89 James Jones WR 6-1 218 24 2 San Jose State D3a-07
90 Colin Cole DT 6-1 330 28 4 Iowa FA-04
94 Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila DE 6-4 249 30 9 San Diego State FA-00 (D5a-00)
96 Michael Montgomery DE 6-5 273 25 4 Texas A&M D6a-05
97 Johnny Jolly DT 6-3 320 25 3 Texas A&M D6a-06
99 Jeremy Thompson DE 6-4 270 22 R Wake Forest D4a-08

Physically Unable To Perform (PUP)
No. Name Pos. Ht Wt Age Exp. College Acquired
91 Justin Harrell DT 6-4 320 24 2 Tennessee D1-07

Injured Reserve
No. Name Pos. Ht Wt Age Exp. College Injury Date On
19 Shaun Bodiford WR 5-11 196 26 3 Portland State Back 07/28
44 Evan Moore TE 6-6 247 23 R Stanford Knee 08/19
46 J.J. Jansen LS 6-2 256 22 R Notre Dame Knee 08/30
62 Junius Coston G 6-3 310 24 4 North Carolina A&T Knee 08/30
67 Rodney Allen DT 6-2 315 23 R Kansas Hand 08/30

[Maxie the Taxi]

Can't get too excited yet. There's a couple more coming, unless they plan on Johnny Jolly being the LS. They need another DL or two.

[gbpackfan]

I can def. see Hodge or Bishop being traded. I really love both of them though. To be honest, I would rather send Chillar some where else.

[vince]

...

[BallHawk]

I've got that Fuzzy feeling inside.

[boiga]

It's a good list talentwise. The only two guys I see who would be incapable of contributing something this year are Bush and Giacomini.

We need another healthy body in the DL before the season starts, but the level of talent on this team is quite impressive.

[pack4to84]

I can def. see Hodge or Bishop being traded. I really love both of them though. To be honest, I would rather send Chillar some where else. I am with you on this one. I saw more future talent in Hodge and Bishop then in Chillar who has been a starter before. I have confidence that Hodge or Bishop can step right in against the Vikings and perform. They both seem to know this defense very well and fly to the football.

[Lurker64]

Hooray!

I'm also glad to see Hodge made it.

Don't get your hopes too high. I can't imagine starting next game with both Bishop and Hodge on the roster. It'd be a waste of talent to not trade one of them to team that would give them some playing time.

Really, at this point I'm expecting that if we cut a LB, it'll be White, since we apparently have our backup WLB, MLB, and SLB in Bishop, Hodge, and Chillar so White's "ability to play all three positions" is less of an advantage. Since we kept Bush (whose only real value is on STs) White's value as the "special teams whirling dervish" is probably diminished.

[pack4to84]

Hooray!

I'm also glad to see Hodge made it.

Don't get your hopes too high. I can't imagine starting next game with both Bishop and Hodge on the roster. It'd be a waste of talent to not trade one of them to team that would give them some playing time.

Really, at this point I'm expecting that if we cut a LB, it'll be White, since we apparently have our backup WLB, MLB, and SLB in Bishop, Hodge, and Chillar so White's "ability to play all three positions" is less of an advantage. Since we kept Bush (whose only real value is on STs) White's value as the "special teams whirling dervish" is probably diminished. Bush can play safety also help too.

[pbmax]

Jenkins and Montgomery have both played inside, Monty only on passing downs. So its not just 3 DTs. But I agree, there must be working to bring someone on board.

[boiga]

Really, at this point I'm expecting that if we cut a LB, it'll be White, since we apparently have our backup WLB, MLB, and SLB in Bishop, Hodge, and Chillar so White's "ability to play all three positions" is less of an advantage. Since we kept Bush (whose only real value is on STs) White's value as the "special teams whirling dervish" is probably diminished.

If it's just a matter of who to cut to make room, I'd agree with you. But with the Hodge and Bishop's performance on thursday, I have to imagine that they would some value on the trade market. If we can get something for them, we really should deal. White would be just fine to keep as the 6th LB'er considering that position hopefully wouldn't be spending any time on the field.

[Joemailman]

Jenkins and Montgomery have both played inside, Monty only on passing downs. So its not just 3 DTs. But I agree, there must be working to bring someone on board.

Sure wish someone like this would show up on the waiver wire again

http://www.maffet.com/images/GB1.jpg

[packers11]

FK!!! I HATE CHILLAR!!!

And they did release a lot of DTs... weird...

Also... I'm glad to see Herron go... THANK YOU...

[mmmdk]

Still keeping 2FB...if only we ran the ball more :P

LOL :lol:

[mmmdk]

Lumpkin, Hodge, Flynn & Bishop have been the great stories of pre-season.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

[BallHawk]

Also... I'm glad to see Herron go... THANK YOU...

Although, if some crook breaks into the Packers' hotel room we'll have nobody to save us.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

Can't wait to hear the spin about "money morency" from Partial. :lol:

Morency sucks.

[mraynrand]

Also... I'm glad to see Herron go... THANK YOU...

Although, if some crook breaks into the Packers' hotel room we'll have nobody to save us.

But if they're just kids stealing beer, or OJ looking for stolen items, we should be OK

[boiga]

Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

Lumpkin was the better runner in preseason, and Morency's only positive was his blocking ability. But that's what fullbacks are for, so I suppose it made sense to release him.

[Maxie the Taxi]

Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

Can't wait to hear the spin about "money morency" from Partial. :lol:

Morency sucks.

I guess M3 does blow smoke every now and then at his press conferences. When asked about Morency, it seems he always said something like: He's having his best training camp since he got here; and He's on the top of his game... ...Stuff like that.

[vince]

I hope Giacomini goes to the Practice Squad when they sign a long snapper. He's the least ready for prime time.

[pbmax]

Yes, but Jackson was trusted with third down and pass pro at the end of last season. He didn't start out fast this preseason, but if he could do it last season, then he should be able to maintain now that he has bulked up.


Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

[pbmax]

But 8 OL make me nervous especially with Wells and Sitton's injury.


I hope Giacomini goes to the Practice Squad when they sign a long snapper. He's the least ready for prime time.

[Maxie the Taxi]

I hope Giacomini goes to the Practice Squad after they sign a long snapper. He's the least ready for prime time.

You thinking they will sign Gafford? Or some other free agent that hasn't been on a roster?

[mmmdk]

I like that Finley made it - he is a TE project but with JJ still nursing an injury, I think he could be helpful should another WR go down. The guy can & catch and is a big target.

[pbmax]

Agree completely. He could man the fifth WR in the empty backfield set and run a simple route out of the [edit] flat.


I like that Finley made it - he is a TE project but with JJ still nursing an injury, I think he could be helpful should another WR go down. The guy can & catch and is a big target.

[vince]

But 8 OL make me nervous especially with Wells and Sitton's injury.


I hope Giacomini goes to the Practice Squad when they sign a long snapper. He's the least ready for prime time.

He can always be moved back to the 53 man if injuries necessitate, and he won't be active on game day anyway.

Congrats should go to Lumpkin and Hodge, who clearly played themselves onto this team. Of all the players on this roster, those two probably started the preseason on the outside looking in more than anyone else.

[vince]

I hope Giacomini goes to the Practice Squad after they sign a long snapper. He's the least ready for prime time.

You thinking they will sign Gafford? Or some other free agent that hasn't been on a roster?

I heard that Gafford was neck and neck with Janzen, so without knowing anything about the inventory of available long snappers, I'd assume he'd have first dibs, if the team liked what they saw previously.

[Farley Face]

Although I suspect one of them will be cut to make room for a long snapper, I'm glad to see the continued committment to special teams with the retention of Bush, White and Kuhn.

[Farley Face]

Practice Squad might look something like:

Haynos TE
Babers CB
Swain WR
J. Allen WR
Carvalho C
Keenan G
Porter CB
T. Smith WR

A little heavy toward WR with 3. Not sure if Bolston, Malone or Muir are eligible.

[texaspackerbacker]

I'm generally happy and satisfied with the cuts, especially keeping Lumpkin over Morency or Herron.

I'm surprised they kept seven LBs, and I still think they might let White go. The D Line seems adequate. Muir never impressed me. I'd have kept Malone over him. Both are gone, though. Maybe they will sign somebody and cut White.

I say again, they damn well better not sign some veteran QB--at the cost of losing Flynn or Brohm.

[oregonpackfan]

I say again, they damn well better not sign some veteran QB--at the cost of losing Flynn or Brohm.[/quote]

I am still in favor of signing a veteran QB but NOT cutting Flynn or Brohm. Yes, it would mean carrying 4 quarterbacks on the team but the Packers need a veteran QB behind Rodgers.

[imscott72]

I say again, they damn well better not sign some veteran QB--at the cost of losing Flynn or Brohm.

I am still in favor of signing a veteran QB but NOT cutting Flynn or Brohm. Yes, it would mean carrying 4 quarterbacks on the team but the Packers need a veteran QB behind Rodgers.[/quote]

They can't carry 4 QB's. At this point I think they should just ride it out with Flynn and Brohm and see what happens.

[HarveyWallbangers]

They can't carry 4 QB's.

Why not?

[boiga]

They can't carry 4 QB's.

Why not? The Bucs are right now, so it is possible. I just don't think it is worth it. Let Flynn and Brohm grow a bit. If Rodgers goes down for a week or two at week 10, they can probably coast through it. If Aaron gets hurt in week 1, well then this season is screwed no matter who we bring in to QB.

[Partial]

Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

Can't wait to hear the spin about "money morency" from Partial. :lol:

Morency sucks.

BS. Very arrogant move with an injury prone quarterback and a third down back who has shown to be a severe liability in pass protection.

That was a dumb move. Morency looked very sharp, quick and fast to me. Money Morency is gonna move on somewhere and get a shot to be a #2 at least.

[Partial]

Quarterbacks (3): Aaron Rodgers, Brian Brohm, Matt Flynn

Running backs (5): Ryan Grant, Bradon Jackson, Lumpkin, Korey Hall, John Kuhn

Wide receiver (5): Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Ruvell Martin, Jordy Nelson

Tight end (3): Donald Lee, Jermichael Finley, Humphreys

Offensive line (9): Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Jason Spitz, Mark Tauscher, Tony Moll, Josh Sitton, Allen Barbre, Breno Giacomini

Defensive line (8): Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Michael Montgomery, Jason Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly, Colin Cole

Linebackers (7): Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brady Poppinga, Bradon Chillar, Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop, Tracy White

Defensive backs (10): Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Atari Bigby, Nick Collins, Aaron Rouse, Tramon Williams, Will Blackmon, Patrick Lee, Charlie Peprah, Bush

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Jon Ryan,


9 rookies. Either TT drafted really well on an already deep team, or he likes to keep young guys even if they are slightly worse than a 3rd year guy who isn't very good.

I think they have to trade an LB for a DT. They are going to have a very difficult time stopping the run.

For as healthy as we stayed last year, they sure are banged up now. Really, really unfortunate with the monster first 4 weeks.

A-Rod looks like he could guide a team to win those games if we're completely healthy but the OL and DL simply have too many question marks right now imo.

[HarveyWallbangers]

BS. Very arrogant move with an injury prone quarterback and a third down back who has shown to be a severe liability in pass protection.

That was a dumb move.

You are starting to sound like Tank.

[Partial]

BS. Very arrogant move with an injury prone quarterback and a third down back who has shown to be a severe liability in pass protection.

That was a dumb move.

You are starting to sound like Tank.

That's ridiculous and preposterous. I don't think its a good move at all. I would have kept Morency over Kuhn because they can always use an H-back. They don't use a fullback enough to justify two, and for all intents and purposes Morency looked like A) the best third down back, B) healthy and shifty again, and C) solid in pass protection.

Brandon jackson's struggles have been well documented.

I don't like this move one bit. You've gotta keep either Herron or Morency imo.

Unless they plan to split carries 40-60% with Grant and Jackson, I don't think its healthy to have Grant on for all three downs. With that said, who is the third down back now?

That's my point. Bad move.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It's silly to say cutting Vernand Morency and Noah Herron is "very arrogant" on the part of Thompson. Very much out of the tank playbook.

[pbmax]

My guess is that Brandon Jackson will be your third down back. He and Lumpkin will give Grant a breather on those occassions we actually run it more than 20 times a game.

[esoxx]

Will this be the third straight year the Packers are the youngest team in the league?

Favre/Davis/Franks out, nine rookies in looks like it could be.

[Bretsky]

I've heard very good things about the TE Haynos; I hope they can sign him to the practice squad.

Interesting that many, myself included, loved the Finley pick and he looks to be a long long way away from contributing

[HarveyWallbangers]

Interesting that many, myself included, loved the Finley pick and he looks to be a long long way away from contributing

I liked the pick, and I still do. Most of the scouting reports said that he needed time to develop. As soon as he bulks up, he may be a starting caliber TE.

[Bretsky]

Interesting that many, myself included, loved the Finley pick and he looks to be a long long way away from contributing

I liked the pick, and I still do. Most of the scouting reports said that he needed time to develop. As soon as he bulks up, he may be a starting caliber TE.


Did you draft Robert Meachem in your FFL draft ?? :lol:

[Partial]

It's silly to say cutting Vernand Morency and Noah Herron is "very arrogant" on the part of Thompson. Very much out of the tank playbook.

Fine. We'll call it "extraordinarily stupid" in my opinion instead of arrogant.

I really hope they don't regret that decision.

Who's going to be the 3rd down back? Does Grant stay on the field all 3 players?

I think its arrogant and short-sighted. I really do. It is a mind boggeling move to me, all love of Morency aside. I would have kept the RBs they did, but I wouldn't have kept the second full back who in my opinion isn't anything beyond just a guy. I would have kept Morency over Herron, but I would think most GMs with a young quarterback and banged up offensive line would keep a veteran third down back who is skilled at receiving in the flat as a dump off guy.

If they want to get rid of the guy after week 2 or 3 once they know more of what they've got up front in terms of injury and overall skill of the youngens, I'm cool with that. But, we've got a HUGE division rival with a monsterous pass rush coming into town on week 1, and we gave away a valuable asset as a security blanket.

I'm not trolling, so I don't quite understand how I sound like tank. I think my points do hold some water :D .

[Partial]

Interesting that many, myself included, loved the Finley pick and he looks to be a long long way away from contributing

I liked the pick, and I still do. Most of the scouting reports said that he needed time to develop. As soon as he bulks up, he may be a starting caliber TE.

I think he'll be better than that. He's green as grass but a big guy that can run is always valuable. Hopefully he doesn't become a perennial tease ala David Martin.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Did you draft Robert Meachem in your FFL draft ?? :lol:

Nope. Probably should have, but he's still just the 3rd WR on the Saints right now. I did draft Chris Perry though.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Fine. We'll call it "extraordinarily stupid" in my opinion instead of arrogant.

I really hope they don't regret that decision.

Why? Guys like them are available as FAs, and it doesn't take long for a RB to learn an offense.

[Zool]

Interesting that many, myself included, loved the Finley pick and he looks to be a long long way away from contributing

I liked the pick, and I still do. Most of the scouting reports said that he needed time to develop. As soon as he bulks up, he may be a starting caliber TE.

He just turned 21 in March. He's real raw still and should bulk up naturally. A fast guy with good hands who's 6'5" 250 is well worth the risk.

[Zool]

Fine. We'll call it "extraordinarily stupid" in my opinion instead of arrogant.

I really hope they don't regret that decision.

Why? Guys like them are available as FAs, and it doesn't take long for a RB to learn an offense.

Morrency is not a starter, and he's not a strong runner. He seems quick more than fast to me. He can catch, but hardly anything special.

[Zool]

I think he'll be better than that. He's green as grass but a big guy that can run is always valuable. Hopefully he doesn't become a perennial tease ala David Martin.

Don't even jinx the kid like that P.

[Partial]

Fine. We'll call it "extraordinarily stupid" in my opinion instead of arrogant.

I really hope they don't regret that decision.

Why? Guys like them are available as FAs, and it doesn't take long for a RB to learn an offense.

See above. They've got a huge matchup with a team with a very good pass rush that is also the #1 run stopping defense in the league. We're going to be dropping back to pass a lot.

Do you trust Brandon Jackson to get the job done after what we've heard all of camp about his shortcomings in the passing game?

Guys like Kuhn are equally available in FA if not moreso. For week 1 and for the sake of building confidence in our quarterback, I think its a bad move.

Why not keep Morency/Herron for week 1 and then go for the FB if they determine someone else is capable of playin halfback.

[HarveyWallbangers]

Because Kuhn is a good special teams player. Morency and Herron are not. The reports are that Jackson has improved. Hell, he improved last year. His missed assignment in week one of the preseason notwithstanding. I didn't see Lumpkin enough to know if he can get the job done. If all we need Morency and Herron for is pass blocking, we can get away with putting a FB or TE in the backfield.

[Bretsky]

Bretsky endorses Lumpkin as he does Meachem for 2008 :!:

[Lurker64]

Yeah, in terms of pass pro both of our FBs were better than any of our RBs last year. I'd rather have Kuhn or Hall in for blitz pickup than Morencey. Plus hall has pretty good hands out of the backfield (exceptional hands for a converted LB).

[Zool]

Yeah, in terms of pass pro both of our FBs were better than any of our RBs last year. I'd rather have Kuhn or Hall in for blitz pickup than Morencey. Plus hall has pretty good hands out of the backfield (exceptional hands for a converted LB).

Who would figure there's this much discussion about Morrency and Cement Shoes Herron? If there's a football equivalent to the Human Rain Delay, then thats Herron.

[mraynrand]

I'm going to miss Scorpio and Lasagne.

[mraynrand]

Yeah, in terms of pass pro both of our FBs were better than any of our RBs last year. I'd rather have Kuhn or Hall in for blitz pickup than Morencey. Plus hall has pretty good hands out of the backfield (exceptional hands for a converted LB).

Who would figure there's this much discussion about Morrency and Cement Shoes Herron? If there's a football equivalent to the Human Rain Delay, then thats Herron.

Yep - space filler. It's like arguing over who missed the NCAA tourney.

[BallHawk]

If there's a football equivalent to the Human Rain Delay, then thats Herron.

That has got to be the most accurate intersport comparison anybody has ever made. It's perfect.

[Partial]

Because Kuhn is a good special teams player. Morency and Herron are not. The reports are that Jackson has improved. Hell, he improved last year. His missed assignment in week one of the preseason notwithstanding. I didn't see Lumpkin enough to know if he can get the job done. If all we need Morency and Herron for is pass blocking, we can get away with putting a FB or TE in the backfield.

The reports are that Jackson is still a liability on in pass protection and 3rd downs. I don't know where you've seen good things like that he's improved.

Lumpkin looked like a skilled runner. No doubt.

I'd rather have a good third down back and average special teams player than an average-below average third down back and good special teams player.

Agree to disagree. Hopefully somebody can handle the job.

[pbmax]

Its a good thing its after the draft or that would be the kiss of death right there. :lol:


Bretsky endorses Lumpkin as he does Meachem for 2008 :!:

[pbmax]

I cannot vouch for reports this preseason (except he blew two protections in the first game) but Jackson was good enough to take this role last year, and while he wasn't Payton back there blasting LBs, he held his own. He'll need to be better this year as Rodgers, with less experience will hold onto the ball too long a few times. As a second year player, its reasonable to expect improvement.


The reports are that Jackson is still a liability on in pass protection and 3rd downs. I don't know where you've seen good things like that he's improved.

Lumpkin looked like a skilled runner. No doubt.

I'd rather have a good third down back and average special teams player than an average-below average third down back and good special teams player.

Agree to disagree. Hopefully somebody can handle the job.

[Guiness]

But 8 OL make me nervous especially with Wells and Sitton's injury.

I'll say. They kept 9, but Giac isn't going to see the field except in an emergency. Sitton is out for a bit, and Wells is week to week. They could forseably go into week 1 with 6 linemen? Scary thought.

[Guiness]

Yeah, in terms of pass pro both of our FBs were better than any of our RBs last year. I'd rather have Kuhn or Hall in for blitz pickup than Morencey. Plus hall has pretty good hands out of the backfield (exceptional hands for a converted LB).

Colour me as also surprised that Morency got tossed - because from what I saw and heard, BJack and Lumpkin weren't cutting it as 3rd down backs. But if what your saying it right, that Hall is doing a good job of blitz pickup, and it catching some passes, this makes a lot more sense.

Did Hall play that role during this preseason?

Most surprising guy to me on the roster is Kuhn. Not a guy I noticed. Is he just around for special team contributions? What else does he bring to the table? I don't see a lot of 2 FB sets in our future.

[Guiness]

Practice Squad might look something like:

Haynos TE
Babers CB
Swain WR
J. Allen WR
Carvalho C
Keenan G
Porter CB
T. Smith WR

A little heavy toward WR with 3. Not sure if Bolston, Malone or Muir are eligible.

Nah, I'd be surprised if you're half right. These guys might be deserving, because they showed something, but in the past part of our PS has been other team's castoffs. Basically auditioning guys.

I don't think T. Smith will make it through waivers. And we generally carry a QB and an RB on the PS, don't we?

[boiga]

Why not keep Morency/Herron for week 1 and then go for the FB if they determine someone else is capable of playin halfback.

Here's what JSO said about Morency:
Nevertheless, Morency also was seen apparently bickering with some of his teammates on the sidelines Thursday night against Tennessee. He wasn't as powerful a runner as Lumpkin or as effective on special teams as Kuhn. http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=789335

That seems like enough rationale to cut him, right?

JSO also says that DT's are too rare of a commodity and we won't be able to find one.

[Tarlam!]

As far as the DT situation goes, I think they're banking on Harrell coming back and contributing, especially if one of the 3 DTs suck. That will mean someone goes to accommodate him. If he can't go, or if he's not as good as the DTs they have it's off to the IR for Harrell.

Why trade Hodge or Bishop? For yet another pick?

They have been practicing 4-5 LB sets during camp. My guess is they saw the missing DT situation coming, saw their LB corps improving and did the math. I am thinking that we'll see a whole new, blitz heavy defense.

I am with those saying White goes for a LS.

Totally stoked with the RB situation. sorry P, I never shared your man-crush on Morency.

[Tarlam!]

Practice Squad might look something like:

Haynos TE
Babers CB
Swain WR
J. Allen WR
Carvalho C
Keenan G
Porter CB
T. Smith WR

I don't think T. Smith will make it through waivers.

I hope Haynos makes it to our PS. I have become indifferent on Swain, but as far as us getting Taj, I would be thrilled. I fear, though, Guiness is correct. Think Dallas.

[Brohm]

Most surprising guy to me on the roster is Kuhn. Not a guy I noticed. Is he just around for special team contributions? What else does he bring to the table? I don't see a lot of 2 FB sets in our future.

I would guess we will see more of the inverted wishbone until it gets figured out like the U-72 (or whatever it was called) Sherman used to run .

I also think we try to keep Haynos, Swain, Smith and Lansanah on the PS. Maybe Malone if they think he can develop or even White as a RB/FB combo in case of injury if eligible. Otherwise fill out with some fresh meat (OT, DT, CB, S). I think we are young enough at QB so pass on one for the PS.

[SnakeLH2006]

Quarterbacks (3): Aaron Rodgers, Brian Brohm, Matt Flynn

Running backs (5): Ryan Grant, Bradon Jackson, Lumpkin, Korey Hall, John Kuhn

Wide receiver (5): Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Ruvell Martin, Jordy Nelson

Tight end (3): Donald Lee, Jermichael Finley, Humphreys

Offensive line (9): Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Jason Spitz, Mark Tauscher, Tony Moll, Josh Sitton, Allen Barbre, Breno Giacomini

Defensive line (8): Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Michael Montgomery, Jason Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly, Colin Cole

Linebackers (7): Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brady Poppinga, Bradon Chillar, Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop, Tracy White

Defensive backs (10): Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Atari Bigby, Nick Collins, Aaron Rouse, Tramon Williams, Will Blackmon, Patrick Lee, Charlie Peprah, Bush

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Jon Ryan,

I'm glad Lumpkin made it, but sad to see that Breno (OL), Cole (DT) before Muir??, Bush, and White (great ST but lacking otherwise) made it...hope we put some off them on waivers esp. since Kuhn is a ST ace and we can shed White for some good players....

My take...get a QB maybe, a deece DT, a better OL, and anyone with better upside than Bush (he may know Safety and CB in practice but gets torched in games...he's been in the league for 4 years and sucks ass). My only sad cut was Muir...he looks the player.

[Partial]

Because Kuhn is a good special teams player. Morency and Herron are not. The reports are that Jackson has improved. Hell, he improved last year. His missed assignment in week one of the preseason notwithstanding. I didn't see Lumpkin enough to know if he can get the job done. If all we need Morency and Herron for is pass blocking, we can get away with putting a FB or TE in the backfield.

Herron missed all of '07 following arthroscopic knee surgery. His value was as a utility back, plus he fared well on special teams in '06.

"I always thought Herron was solid," one scout said. "Not real flashy. Just can do anything you need him to do. That will leave them a little vulnerable."

Morency, who was acquired from Houston in September 2006 in exchange for Gado, played 235 regular-season snaps in '06 and then 182 in '07, primarily as the third-down back replacing Ryan Grant. The coaches raved about Morency's pass blocking, and said he had regained some of the burst and explosiveness lost to that knee injury on the first day of '07 training camp.

Nevertheless, Morency also was seen apparently bickering with some of his teammates on the sidelines Thursday night against Tennessee. He wasn't as powerful a runner as Lumpkin or as effective on special teams as Kuhn.



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For everyone saying Jackson did fine last year, it just goes to show that he wasn't even the third down back. All off-season we've heard about how abysmal his pass blocking is and how he is a liability. Here we've heard about how the coaches rave about Morency's talent as a third down back. He's one of the best in the biz at that.

Also Harv, not that Herron is a good special teams player.

I'm guessing his bickering is the reason he is gone. It's a shame. He's a good player.

[HarveyWallbangers]

It's neither a shame that Morency and Herron are gone nor does it prove the "arrogance" of Ted Thompson.

[Partial]

We'll see. All off-season we've had pass protection problems, and now we went ahead and let go our best blocking, receiving, and shifty back. It's a bad move. No denying it. If A-Rod gets drilled by a blitzer that Jackson fails to pick up and is knocked out for the season, it will look incredibly bad.

[Bretsky]

I'm kosher because we aren't winning a SB this year IMO and maybe this was the best move for the future.

[Partial]

I'm kosher because we aren't winning a SB this year IMO and maybe this was the best move for the future.

Keeping an invisible fullback over a skilled third down back when we already have three other equally capable players that can man the emergency full back position instead of keeping a legit and proficient third down back?

They've got a young, skittish quarterback who will be beating teams with short passes and the dump-off to start his career. Why take away an extremely valuable weapon in that exact situation?

I'm perplexed.

[Fritz]

Will this be the third straight year the Packers are the youngest team in the league?

Favre/Davis/Franks out, nine rookies in looks like it could be.

They are actually also the youngest team in NCAA Division I-A...

[Bretsky]

I'm kosher because we aren't winning a SB this year IMO and maybe this was the best move for the future.

Keeping an invisible fullback over a skilled third down back when we already have three other equally capable players that can man the emergency full back position instead of keeping a legit and proficient third down back?

They've got a young, skittish quarterback who will be beating teams with short passes and the dump-off to start his career. Why take away an extremely valuable weapon in that exact situation?

I'm perplexed.


We were OT away from going to the Super Bowl and we didn't make it work with our best QB. It's hard for me to question letting two marginal backups go.

[Guiness]

How do the PUP rules work? Is Sitton eligeable? He's going to miss 4 games anyways, isn't he?

[pbmax]

Well I can admit at least that I cannot find data to back up my memory that Jackson regained some third down duties after he was inactive for the Raiders game. Morency had four times as many entries in the play by play than Jackson did at the end of the season (9-2).

This does not cover every third down snap, of course. It only counts the number of times one or the other received the ball on a run or pass. Blocking, the main point of contention, is not covered by the NFL gamebooks. Unless someone can find total number of snaps played, this is all I can dig up.

However, I think it is a stretch to call Morency the best in the business at anything. He was available for Samkon Gado. He is not a top of the line anything in the NFL. And Partial's point about Jackson is a good one, its will be up to him to stonewall the LBs on third downs.


For everyone saying Jackson did fine last year, it just goes to show that he wasn't even the third down back. All off-season we've heard about how abysmal his pass blocking is and how he is a liability. Here we've heard about how the coaches rave about Morency's talent as a third down back. He's one of the best in the biz at that.

[texaspackerbacker]

If you look at the roster, there is no need to cut anybody to pick up a long snapper. Even though there is no name listed, the 3 there next to Crosby and Ryan reflects that spot being counted already.

As for keeping the second Fullback, Kuhn and Hall both are excellent special teamers, where Morency, Herron, or whoever might not be. I like the uniqueness of that 2 Fullback set also, where there is symmetry--Grant having the same number ofblockers to either side, so it's harder for the defense to guess and load up one side. The same formation also works well for short passing when maybe 3-7 yards are needed for a first down.

As I understand the PUP list, the guy has to miss six games before coming back, so putting Sitton there might be a good move.

I like this roster as it is--a maximum of flexibility.

[vince]

The Packers will have to cut someone when a long snapper is signed Tex. There are 9 dlinemen on the roster, even though 4to84 counted 8. An article on JSonline indicated that White has already been told he'll likely be cut when that happens.



Quarterbacks (3): Aaron Rodgers, Brian Brohm, Matt Flynn

Running backs (5): Ryan Grant, Bradon Jackson, Lumpkin, Korey Hall, John Kuhn

Wide receiver (5): Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Ruvell Martin, Jordy Nelson

Tight end (3): Donald Lee, Jermichael Finley, Humphreys

Offensive line (9): Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Jason Spitz, Mark Tauscher, Tony Moll, Josh Sitton, Allen Barbre, Breno Giacomini

Defensive line (8): Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Michael Montgomery, Jason Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly, Colin Cole

Linebackers (7): Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brady Poppinga, Bradon Chillar, Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop, Tracy White

Defensive backs (10): Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Atari Bigby, Nick Collins, Aaron Rouse, Tramon Williams, Will Blackmon, Patrick Lee, Charlie Peprah, Bush

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Jon Ryan,

[pbmax]

Don't think he's eligible, at least according to this partial definition. From VertGame.com (http://www.vertgame.com)

PUP—physically unable to perform—status is used by clubs to protect a player who is relatively seriously injured but who may recover soon enough to play again that same season. It is similar to major league baseball's 60-day disabled list. Contrast this with injured reserve status, where the player is ineligible for the remainder of the season.

A player who is put on the PUP list before the preseason's first roster cutdown (from 80 to 65 players) must remain inactive through the sixth week of the regular season. At that point, he has a three-week practice "window" before he must either return to the 53-man roster or end his season on injured reserve.


How do the PUP rules work? Is Sitton eligeable? He's going to miss 4 games anyways, isn't he?

[Scott Campbell]

The Packers will have to cut someone when a long snapper is signed Tex. There are 9 dlinemen on the roster, even though 4to84 counted 8. An article on JSonline indicated that White has already been told he'll likely be cut when that happens.



I'll bet Mike Stock is pissed.

[vince]

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=789335

Currently, the roster contains seven linebackers, but veteran Tracy White understands that he might be waived to make room for the long snapper.

"I'm here but I'm not here," White said. "Ted Thompson called me and said I'm part of the team, whatever. They were telling me different things. I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. Monday will probably tell it all."

[oregonpackfan]

Who knows? The Packers may sign a veteran quarterback by Monday's end and maintain a roster of 4 quarterbacks.

[pbmax]

Well, my google fu has failed me and I cannot access the CBA on the nflpa.com site. Wikipedia though, has the following statement:

A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster

My guess is that neither Sitton or Jones are PUP eligible.

[Brohm]

Sitton and Jones are not eligible for the PUP as they were injured in game/practice. My understanding is that PUP - Physically Unable to Perfom is more for injuries sustained in the off-season/injuries that have not recovered from the previous season. As you said, "A player is not allowed to be placed on the PUP list if they start training camp on the active roster"
The restrictions are so people cannot stash people on the PUP.

I would think that someone like KGB, who had surgery in off-season for his knee and is still not up to snuff, would be eligible if TT wanted/needed to put him on there. Obviously this would be a huge loss and probably not worth it as he is so close to coming back.

Could be off-base a bit but I think those restrictions are there to prevent people from stashing "reinforcements" at the last cut.

[DonHutson]

I would think that someone like KGB, who had surgury in off-season for his knee and is still not up to snuff, would be eligible if TT wanted/needed to put him on there. Obviously this would be a huge loss and probably not worth it as he is so close to coming back.


That's exactly what they did with Harrell, who injured himself weightlifting.

[pbmax]

Maybe on KGB, but he did practice. Wasn't in a preseason game though.

[pbmax]

I missed this the first time through. Good reverse jinx Bretsky!


I'm kosher because we aren't winning a SB this year IMO and maybe this was the best move for the future.

[texaspackerbacker]

The Packers will have to cut someone when a long snapper is signed Tex. There are 9 dlinemen on the roster, even though 4to84 counted 8. An article on JSonline indicated that White has already been told he'll likely be cut when that happens.



Quarterbacks (3): Aaron Rodgers, Brian Brohm, Matt Flynn

Running backs (5): Ryan Grant, Bradon Jackson, Lumpkin, Korey Hall, John Kuhn

Wide receiver (5): Donald Driver, Greg Jennings, James Jones, Ruvell Martin, Jordy Nelson

Tight end (3): Donald Lee, Jermichael Finley, Humphreys

Offensive line (9): Chad Clifton, Daryn Colledge, Scott Wells, Jason Spitz, Mark Tauscher, Tony Moll, Josh Sitton, Allen Barbre, Breno Giacomini

Defensive line (8): Aaron Kampman, Cullen Jenkins, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, Michael Montgomery, Jason Hunter, Jeremy Thompson, Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly, Colin Cole

Linebackers (7): Nick Barnett, A.J. Hawk, Brady Poppinga, Bradon Chillar, Abdul Hodge, Desmond Bishop, Tracy White

Defensive backs (10): Al Harris, Charles Woodson, Atari Bigby, Nick Collins, Aaron Rouse, Tramon Williams, Will Blackmon, Patrick Lee, Charlie Peprah, Bush

Specialists (3): Mason Crosby, Jon Ryan,

I see what you mean. They miscounted D-Linemen.

[Brohm]

There are actually 9 DL, not 8.

[Harlan Huckleby]

running back Vernand Morency,

this is the only surprise, a very mild one, and I am very glad they took chances on younger guys with greater updside.

[Harlan Huckleby]

Who knows? The Packers may sign a veteran quarterback by Monday's end and maintain a roster of 4 quarterbacks.

i expect so

[Harlan Huckleby]

As far as the DT situation goes, I think they're banking on Harrell coming back and contributing,

I don't know they can predict something like back surgery

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

Can't wait to hear the spin about "money morency" from Partial. :lol:

Morency sucks.

BS. Very arrogant move with an injury prone quarterback and a third down back who has shown to be a severe liability in pass protection.

That was a dumb move. Morency looked very sharp, quick and fast to me. Money Morency is gonna move on somewhere and get a shot to be a #2 at least.

#2 at least? So, he will be competing for a starting position? :lol:

[Partial]

Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

Can't wait to hear the spin about "money morency" from Partial. :lol:

Morency sucks.

BS. Very arrogant move with an injury prone quarterback and a third down back who has shown to be a severe liability in pass protection.

That was a dumb move. Morency looked very sharp, quick and fast to me. Money Morency is gonna move on somewhere and get a shot to be a #2 at least.

#2 at least? So, he will be competing for a starting position? :lol:

He could be with some of the abysmal situations 'round the league. I think he could give Chris Perry a solid run for his money now that he's healthy again.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

I'm perplexed.

Yes you are. Constantly.

[Tyrone Bigguns]

Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

Can't wait to hear the spin about "money morency" from Partial. :lol:

Morency sucks.

BS. Very arrogant move with an injury prone quarterback and a third down back who has shown to be a severe liability in pass protection.

That was a dumb move. Morency looked very sharp, quick and fast to me. Money Morency is gonna move on somewhere and get a shot to be a #2 at least.

#2 at least? So, he will be competing for a starting position? :lol:

He could be with some of the abysmal situations 'round the league. I think he could give Chris Perry a solid run for his money now that he's healthy again.

Right. They cut Rudi Johnson to pick up Morency to compete. :roll:

Yep, their first rounder is being threatened by someone who got traded for Samkon Gado.

You just keep embarrasing yourself.

[Partial]

Is anyone else a bit surprised by Morency being cut? Even though I predicted it I'm still a little surprised they actually did it.

Can't wait to hear the spin about "money morency" from Partial. :lol:

Morency sucks.

BS. Very arrogant move with an injury prone quarterback and a third down back who has shown to be a severe liability in pass protection.

That was a dumb move. Morency looked very sharp, quick and fast to me. Money Morency is gonna move on somewhere and get a shot to be a #2 at least.

#2 at least? So, he will be competing for a starting position? :lol:

He could be with some of the abysmal situations 'round the league. I think he could give Chris Perry a solid run for his money now that he's healthy again.

Right. They cut Rudi Johnson to pick up Morency to compete. :roll:

Yep, their first rounder is being threatened by someone who got traded for Samkon Gado.

You just keep embarrasing yourself.

You mean their first round pick from 3-4 years ago who has done largely nothing? Gets beat out by a high 2nd round pick from 3-4 years ago?

Not unheard of. It's probably too late for him to compete. But He'd make a solid #2 on most team and a great third down back.

[Harlan Huckleby]

I'm guessing his bickering is the reason he is gone. It's a shame. He's a good player.

a good player is not cut for having a sideline argument with another player.

Morency is just too weak as a runner to stick in the NFL, IMO.